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Part two

How we walk in this world is for our conscience ( 1 Peter 2:18-21), If we are treated badly, how we respond is recorded in our conscience regardless of how justified we fill to repay the wrongful treatment. I know we have all done this in the past but through the grace of God and the sacrifice of our Savior Jesus we can repent and He will cleanse our conscience.

I feel this is the dwelling place that Jesus repaired that the first Adam polluted with sin and through when we repent the Holy Spirit continues to wipe the spots to keep us clean. In John 14:1-4 that many have a different understanding of, what this speaks to me is, this is just before Jesus was going to be arrested and crucified. Later in the chapter Jesus told them He would ask the Father to send the Comforter to them in His name.

Jesus told them He was going to prepare a place for them, He said in His Fathers house are many mansions. The word mansion is monai meaning an abiding, an abode or dwelling place. Jesus was going to the cross to shed His blood and pay the penalty of sin that the first Adam put on mankind.

The union that the first Adam had with God before sin came in is now restored through the sacrifice and the blood of the Lamb of God His only begotten Son and Jesus' resurrection from the dead, now this union can again be with man through the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus.

The first Adam broke the union with God the last Adam repaired the union that is why I use the name Immanuel/Emmanuel God with us, again.

After the first Adam sinned God communicate through angels, and the prophets until Jesus and God communicated directly through Him. When Jesus as the high priest sprinkled His own blood in the holy of holies not made with hands, God now communicates directly to us, the union has been repaired. We are now His family, sons and daughters.

I hope this is enough for you to understand what I meant if not please let me know.

In the love of Jesus

RLW

If one quotes a scripture, wouldn't it be from the word of God and

not from men or woman.

But if the bible is not quoted from the bible;

would wisdom still be of much value?

Jesus quoted his fathers words perfectly ( John 8). and the prophets

spoke from God ( Psalm 83:18)

Who is much wiser? Who is wiser to instruct mankind?

God ( Psalm 83:18) and his Son?

2 Timothy 3:16,17;

2 Peter 1:20,21 (holy spirit John 4:24)

John 17:3

John 14:6-28

Psalm 1:1-3

or

Men and many books?

Jeremiah 10:23

Romans 3:23

Ecclesiastes 12:12-14

Psalms. 146:3, 4

Hope you like

these scriptures.

Hello, not sure if I'm understanding your view correctly, but it sounds like maybe you don't believe Jesus is God. I do understand people's different viewpoints around this, because God the Father is just referred to as God in many cases. For example, Son of God in the wording suggests that He's not God, but the Son. However, that isn't the whole picture- as there's so much Bible verses showing His divinity and it would be hard for anyone to deny that Jesus himself was called God and scripture says He was God in John 1:1.

1. Isaiah 7:14 - People called Jesus Immanuel which means "God with us"

2. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

3. John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

4. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"Word WAS God."

5. Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

"form of God"

"equal with God"

6. John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus made everything.

7. John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

8. John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

9. 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

10. Genesis 1:26 - "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

"Let us make" - plural.

What I gather from this is they are different but the same. We will probably never 100% comprehend this until after this life. The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son, but it says they made everything together, are in each other, have similar form, they both have great power to do miracles, and both are referred to as God in the Bible.

Hello John. You'll find that verse in Matthew 18:20. This was part of some teaching that Jesus gave to His disciples & particularly the section from verses 18-20.

In these verses, He tells them of the special power & authority that they would have because they belonged to Him. That which they bound or loosed on Earth, would be bound or loosed in Heaven. This was particularly in relation to Church discipline (vv 15-17) but could also have implications in other Church matters. Likewise, if they came to agreement on some matter that they presented to God, they would receive it. This can only be understood as the disciples remained faithful & sought the mind of Christ in their conduct & affairs of others and as a special grace afforded them.

And whenever they come together to address these things or to spend time in worship, Christ would be in their midst. Certainly, Jesus was speaking about His Spirit Who would direct them, prompt them & give them discernment in all that God had planned for their lives & ministry. But after the Spirit came upon them & indwelt them on the Day of Pentecost, the Spirit took up permanent residence, when in my understanding, Matthew 18:20 no longer applied. Jesus was now positionally in Heaven at the Father's right Hand, but as He said earlier to them, "if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." ( John 16:7). As Jesus departed, the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) was sent to them, so that whether they were together as a group of disciples or apart from each other somewhere in the World ministering, they would never be without the Holy Spirit, for "He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" ( John 14:17b).

Today, those who have been saved by the Blood of the Lamb & have the Holy Spirit residing, are never alone to face the World or the various matters coming before them. The Spirit of Jesus is there to minister to our every need & when we worship together, He is present in us & with us.

Lily Mcallister on John 1

Is the Holy Spirit a person?

Jehovah's is a spirit ( Psalm 83:18; John 4:24). and he made his Angels spirits ( psalm 104:4);

and he blew his spirit into Adam nostril "the breath of life." when a men or human dies, his breath goes out. and the spirit returns to God (not the flesh itself.. because the body is flesh made from dust - Genesis 2:7).

the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, these qualities is his spirit. this he has created men in his image to display these qualities to take care of the earth. -

Galatians 5:22,23

According to Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus said go therefore baptizing in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit (the accurate term is holy spirit because John 4:24 accurately says spirit). Also, Jesus is not God ( John 5:19) but he was raised up as a spirit again; and he is a Angel.- John 14:28

Point: God can give his spirit to anyone to serve his purpose- Luke 1:35. if we worship God, we must worship with spirit and truth- john 4:24. anyone who want to worship in truth...should believe in the word of God ( 2 Timothy 3:16,17). by this God will give his spirit and truth will speak.

To illustrate: person 1, person 2, and person 3 are all different people. God will and can give his spirit to person 2 to carry out a particular task. God may want person 2 to completes that task fully. he may use person 3 or person 1 to do something completely different or accomplish the same purpose. (so yes the spirit basically belongs to God, because he is a spirit and the source of distributing that spirit to accomplish his purpose.- Genesis 1:1,26,27 ). no human can force God to do this or that. he is the boss of the spirit.- Isaiah 43:11-13

hope these scriptures help.

Hello Lily. If we say that the Holy Spirit is a person, some people might think that we believe in two gods. So that word (person) can often be unsuitable or confusing to some.

It's best to understand the Holy Spirit (& Jesus) as living parts or emanations from the One God. Just as Jesus, before His incarnation (i.e. coming to Earth in human form) was the Word of God ( John 1:1-14), so to the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God sent out to accomplish God's Will. Neither the Word of God (Jesus) nor the Holy Spirit are ever independent of God - all are equally One & eternally One - God wouldn't be Who He is without the Word & the Holy Spirit.

But when we read in the Bible of the Holy Spirit's Attributes & Work, we are actually seeing God manifesting Himself in the out-working of His Spirit. If you look up the following Scriptures, you can see God the Spirit manifested in a few ways:

a. He is intelligent ( 1 Corinthians 2:10,11)

b. He has feelings ( Ephesians 4:30)

c. He has a will ( 1 Corinthians 12:11)

d. He teaches ( John 14:26)

e. He guides ( John 16:13; Romans 8:14)

f. He commissions ( Acts 13:4)

g. He commands ( Acts 8:29)

h. He contends ( Genesis 6:3)

i. He intercedes ( Romans 8:26)

So, the Holy Spirit is not simply a force or a power of God, as some want to believe. He is God Himself because He goes about His Work as God desires (i.e. as if God was on Earth doing it). Nothing the Spirit does is contrary or independent of God, just as Jesus on Earth, perfectly fulfilled God's Will through His Words, His Life, His Work, & His Death (you can read Jesus' wonderful prayer to His Father in this respect). I hope that has been a little helpful. May the Spirit (the Living God) help you as you meditate on these things from the Word.

Here are some scriptures that I think are relevant in understanding this,

Hebrews 12:2

James 1:2-4

John 14:2

Revelations 21:4

1 Corinthians 6:3

Hopefully it's helpful & encouraging.

I agree the KJV isn't catholic and really, no Bible is. I've seen cathedrals with skull and cross bones and demonic faces engraved into the building. I've seen people kneel down and bow down to a statue of Mary (not God), chant to her, pray to her, and even worship her, violating the first two commandments (no other Gods before me, and no graven images). In the service I might hear the word Mary more than Jesus, so He gets a bit sidelined. And instead of John 14:6, people ignore it and instead go through a pope who seems to bend to conform to the world's morals rather than bend to conform to God's. And people even bow down and worship the pope too!

Brother Adam,

Amen. I agree, and if I could pick only one scripture from the entire bible that summarizes what God really wants from us, it is Jesus speaking to us in this Scripture!

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

I would not want to look Jesus in the eyes on judgement day and tell him (Jesus Christ) who will be the Judge, that I ignored his request! We all need to think about this.

Here is Jesus speaking to us thru apostle John 30-40 years after his death on the cross - in Revelation below:

Revelation 22:12-14

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Here is Jesus still saying the same thing to us 30-40 years after his death! Keep his commandments, and we will be judged for our good or bad works.

So the argument that the apostle Paul and others can teach anything different than what Jesus taught throughout the ENTIRE BIBLE, is debunked by Jesus himself in the above scripture!

God Bless.

Jesus said in John 14:15, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." So, if someone says anything that seems contrary to scripture I won't believe it, but believe God's Word. When I hear those saying things like obeying God is bad or following any law is bad, I think some nuances of the meaning are missed from Romans 6:15-18 which says not to yield to sin that you were servants to sin, but now are to be servants/slaves to righteousness. Being "free" from sin isn't a free pass to sin. John 8:11. I feel a moral duty to post scripture about this, because Christians hear this in church then go out and get drunk, do drugs, have sex outside of marriage, party, and enjoy following the world. They do that, because they are under the assumption that it's ok, because people (including pastors) keep telling them it's ok since they're "not under the law"- that they're free and can do whatever they want with no consequence. The problem is the Bible doesn't say that. Jesus says you should be concerned and fear the one who can send you to hell. According to Jesus, Christians and anyone else following the world of sin instead of Jesus should be afraid. Luke 12:5. Those who don't obey Jesus don't love Him. Those who don't love Him may not have to spend eternity with Him. God bless.

Luke 23:43

Acts 7:55

1 Samuel 28

Matthew 17:2

Luke 16 Luke 16:19-31

2 Corinthians 5:6

John 14:2

1 Thessalonians 4

Here are some scriptures I found on the subject, I hope these are helpful.

Hi Brother Chris,

Thank you for taking your time to respond, and I appreciate your comments, and related scripture.

You stated: "If anyone believes that the keeping of the Law is necessary to be saved, or that both the Cross & strict obedience to the Law is required to be saved, then a clear problem exists."

What is your definition of strict obedience of the law? Is trying our best to adhere to God's 10 commandments too strict? Jesus asks us to keep the commandments. John 14:15. The apostles strived to kept the commandments 1John 5:3. I believe that as good Christians we must also strive to keep God's commandments and in doing so, will help us, to produce the good works that are acceptable to God.

So, I believe that with our Faith, we will be blessed with Grace, and it should lead us toward obedience to God. I believe we agree on this. Where we may disagree is: Faith alone will not assure being saved. Many Christians today believe they can say they have faith and believe, but continue to live in their worldly sin, and they still expect that they will inherit the kingdom of God.

I believe, Jesus says otherwise in scripture, and here again emphasizes keeping the commandments, and producing good work if wanting to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 12:12-14

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Brother Chris, you and I will not be the judge, Jesus will be, and he is telling us right here in scripture plainly, what is required of us, to gain entry in through the gates into the city! In essence, we have the Judge telling us before he judges us - what he will be looking for in us!

Peace, and God Bless.

John 14:26

Hi Sydney, I prayed for you.

I noticed what you wrote "I don't create my own belief. I understand that I must be born again, and that it is totally a gift from the Holy Spirit." and thought I'd share my belief as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by you don't create your own belief. Believing is a choice. We are given freewill to choose who we want to follow and whether to obey. I choose to follow and obey Jesus Christ. John 14:15

Some believe faith is a gift. We can gain faith through hearing the Word of God as it says in Romans 10:17. This verse indicates that God can control the measure of faith we have: Romans 12:3. Some interpret Ephesians 2:8-9 as faith as being a gift, but I believe it means salvation is the gift. I believe we already have the freewill to choose and we gain faith through reading God's Word, just like it says.

Do you want to follow Christ? Have you read the Bible verses about how to do that? Link

Sister Lindsey,

No man can judge that you will go to hell, only God can make that final judgement call.

It is true, God gave man the Sabbath Day as a gift to rest our bodies and minds, and set aside and spend special time giving thanks to our creator. It has been well known and celebrated throughout history that the Sabbath Day referred to by God has been observed on Saturday the last day of the week. No man can change what God gave as a 4th commandment.

Jesus said below:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

So yes, God encourages his children to keep his 10 commandments.

Good Bless.

Why say "If a man love me ... my Father will love him" ( John 14:23a) if the Father loves everybody? Proverbs 8:17 says, "I love them that love Me." Psalm 5:5 says, "Thou hatest all workers of iniquity" Notice it doesn't say works of iniquity; it says workers. This verse alone is a flat out repudiation of the teaching that, God hates sin but loves the sinner. Scripture says that "God is angry with the wicked every day." ( Psalm 7:11) John 3:36 says, "He that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him" Can God "love" the one on whom His "wrath" abides? Finally, Romans 9:13 says, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Paul asks rhetorically, "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:14-15.

As for the verses you cite to suggest that I am violating God's "love" command, those verses are directed to the community of believers in Christ. What applies to believers does not apply to those who believe and promote a false gospel and serve the god of this world. That's why I said before that you are not my brother. Jesus told the Pharisees, "ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep." The tares and the wheat look alike until they produce fruit and are ready for harvest. The tares turn black and their fruit is poison; the wheat turns golden brown and its fruit is life sustaining. You and most people who identify as Christians are tares sown by Satan. Most people can't see the difference between the the wheat and tares because they look so much alike. It's been my experience that the tares hate the truth and openly resist it and they attack those who hold the truth in God's written word. This is how I know that you and your like-minded fellows on this site are tares full of hatred for the truth of Scripture and those who promote the gospel of grace.

2 Corinthians 5:10

John 14:1-3

Luke 10:20

Mark 13: 32-37

Revelation 3: 10

Matthew 24: 1-51

Philippians 3:20-21

Romans 8: 18-19

Acts 1: 7-11

Daniel 12: 1-2

1 Corinthians 15: 51-53

1 Thessalonians 4: 1-18

Revelation 12: 1-17

Revelation 19: 1-21

1 John 1: 3:3

Titus 2:13

Matthew 16:27

Colossians 3:2-4

Luke 21: 34-36

James 4:8

Ten Virgins story: Matthew 25

John 3:16

We must be born again at which time Jesus will give to you, The Holy Spirit.

On this website, out on the Red Link Page; BECOME A CHRISTIAN (which means Christ Jesus Follower)

Jesus is not escape insurance. He is the Son of God. He is the only one who can save us. So write that list of verses down on a sheet of paper and read in the Bible of them every day.

FAITHFUL IS HE WHO MADE THESE PROMISES.

[hey yall, don't send emails saying the word rapture is not in the Bible. I know that. It is called: CAUGHT UP or IN THE CLOUDS. Not everyone knows Greek or Hebrew. Thanks,

Mishael

John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

I know how many perceive these verses and this is not to debate that, it is to show my understanding if someone wants to study it.

We see in ( John 13:1) this is right before the last Passover Jesus would attend before he would be crucified, and Jesus just then knew His hour had come. We see this by what He told them in ( Luke 22:14-16). We must keep in mind the things coming, Jesus being arrested, crucified, and His resurrection was hidden from the apostles until after His resurrection and He appeared to them.

When Adam sinned, sin filled the dwelling-place that God could no longer dwell in man and man could not dwell in God. The word mansions are the same word, Strong's 3438 mon meaning lodging, dwelling-place, room, abode, mansion. Jesus told them He was going to prepare a place for you. We know where He was going, the cross.

Jesus did prepare a place He gave is life, body, and blood and that dwelling place that Adam filled with sin, Jesus paid the price and now God through Jesus by the Holy Spirit, God can now dwell in man and man can dwell in God.

Jesus will return, His second coming and when all is new, we will forever be with Him.

God bless us, and our ears open.

RLW

Dear IMKane,

The Holy Bible and God's Word is not a puzzle as some would like others to believe. The simple, the meek, the humble, and the children will inherit God's Kingdom. With that said, we don't have to get a PhD in theology to understand God's Word because if we are sincere, and humble, LIKE CHILDREN, God's Holy Sprit will teach us THE TRUTH.

Again, the scripture spoken by Jesus is very simple to understand and sums it all up:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Jesus said the commandments (Law) will last until heaven and earth pass/end. Heaven and earth have not passed YET, so the law is still in place!

Matthew 5:18

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

The apostles did strive to keep the commandments, please see scripture below:

1 John 2:3

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

If we let others lead us away from the TRUTH with the "popular faith and grace argument" we are blinded to the THRUTH!

Mark 7:9

"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."

So in summary, we can keep God's commandments and walk in his ways, or follow your own man made tradition, as stated above in Mark7:9

God Bless

Hello, thanks for sharing your opinion. You used the word 'we' as though you have grouped yourselves with others, assuming others have the same opinion. I could use 'we' also.

I'd like to question one of your assumptions: "Children of God don't want to sin"

Is that true?

Do you believe is Paul a child of God? In my view, Paul became one of the strongest Christian evangelists in world history. He was absolutely dedicated to preaching the message of Jesus Christ, and wrote more books than anyone else in the Bible. He also wrote the following which he admitted to struggling with sin:

Rom 7:14-19

Do you have any evidence for where the belief that Christians don't want to sin or aren't tempted by sin comes from? Currently, without further Biblical support I tend to believe Paul and what he wrote. God bless.

I know dozens of Christians living in sin right now and they are enjoying it immensely. They are taught they don't have to try to avoid it- that human effort is 'bad', so they follow the world and its desires, assuming they're following Christ. I know some assume there's nothing to worry about since they assume they're 'saved', but I am worried for their souls based on what the Bible says. John 14:15-17, ROMANS 11:6, Hebrews 10:26, James 2:19, 1 Cor 9:24-27. Is it 'wrong' to take the Bible verses literally and be concerned for one's salvation? Is it 'wrong' to believe in the Bible?

If there are any differences between what the apostles said, they can be reconciled very easily by what Jesus/God said.

Jesus forgave the adulteress in scripture below:

John 8:11

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Jesus forgave the adulteress and asked her to TAKE ACTION - GO AND SIN NO MORE. If only grace and faith are needed - why would Jesus instruct the sinner to SIN NO MORE?

Jesus also instructs us to follow the commandments(10 Commandments)

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

In order to keep the commandments it is necessary to take ACTION.

Many Christians today want to take the "easy way" by professing only "Grace and Faith"..and this way of thinking is not in accordance with what Jesus taught.

God Bless

Rick, thanks for the advice. I do stay with the The King James version and though I get bogged down in the "speech" I still keep going. I am reminded of the scripture Jesus said one time I believe it's in John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:...." (or Comforter as He said in the prior chapter) or Holy Ghost as he said in John 14:26:"but the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,..."anyway I am comforted in the fact that though I may fall short in understanding the Word of God, the Holy Bible, I know the Holy Ghost that I have( with the evidence of speaking in tongues) will lead me into all truth, and show me things to come. In Christ's Love.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for (my Father is greater than I).

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless (not as I will, but as thou wilt).

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but (the will of the Father which hath sent me).

My friend the churches are in the same place they have always been. However there is many churches that have left the old paths and fallen for the new modern day scene. The Pastors are preaching all the love but no repentance. They have fallen for what the news media and the governments are telling them. The people of today are just like the children of Israel in the day of Nebuchadnezzar and the 3 Hebrew Children. They are bowing done to the kings and governments. They are looking to man for their salvation. The people need to get back as instructed in II Chronicles 7:14. These vaccines are the way the for the governments to control the people. They are being used along with the media to cause men's hearts to fear the ways of man instead of fearing the Lord God. The Bible says not to fear man for he can only take destroy the body but to fear God who can destroy both the body and soul in hell. We need a whole lot of repentance and then a whole lot of preying from the children of God to make this thing even start to get right. Presidents and their governmental officers can only go so far. God is STILL in control. He has not given up. Matthew 24:3-14 tells us that things must come to pass before the end shall come. Pestilences are here and the COVID is one of them. These vaccines and mask are just a way for the devil to destroy the believers faith in God. God will carry us through this thing. If you are his then just keep trusting in him. He will deliver his either here on earth or when we reach that city. No Christian will ever feel death. We just move up to live with him forever. John 14:27 reminds us that Jesus leaves us peace and it is better than anything the world can give. So we need not let our hearts be troubled for we are his and nothing can pluck us from his hands. Keep the faith and hold strong for morning is coming and the Son will shine forever. May God Bless you in this time and touch you and your family.

Hi Rick, if you haven't seen that then great- it's best to not be exposed to that if not on your guard with the armor on. Plenty of people here say we don't have to worry about avoiding sin or even trying. They say human effort of any kind is bad. This is a false teaching. It involves taking a verse and distorting it to mean the desired outcome, while ignoring a mountain of other verses which are commands to be obedient. Some also falsely assume that just because you do good that you're now trying to 'earn' salvation- nope- we're saved by grace. But Christians are called to follow Christ and be obedient and deny the sinful self. Following Christ is an action. It is a huge responsibility. Some assume they have zero responsibility and can do whatever they want.

I have attended plenty of churches that teach this- where one Sunday you get 'saved' then you're done and don't have to do anything anymore. Then you're told that if you try you're bad or legalistic. They would call Jesus legalistic though for John 14:15. We must beware of false teachings from satan. I know a Christian who will probably be committing fornication tonight and has for years. The pastor taught him he's saved and doesn't have anything to worry about. Is that true?

Then you read something like Romans 6:15-23 that says while we're free from slavery to sin, we're not totally free, but instead slaves (servants) to righteousness. And sinning is "no big deal." But it's very big deal to God. God hates it and sinning is like slapping Him in the face and spitting on Him. That is a very different message than some are Christians are saying. So, those who believe they don't have to try as a Christian probably has a false sense of security and need to heed Jesus's words: Luke 12:5. This warning from the Bible is spread here in love so that all will get right with the Lord and be saved. There's only one truth- and I'd rather lean towards following God than following man's ideas.

Hello Hui Ning Wu,

I would like to offer another perspective to your comment: "And once you are saved, you cannot lose your salvation no matter what you do!"

I ask, is this true? If true, I would love to commit sins tonight just for fun, because no consequence. Would love to do drugs, have an affair, go to certain clubs to party, maybe even get in a fight, because if we're saved no matter what it wouldn't matter and God would still reward me?

So, is this true that it's from God and not from satan? Before I do that I would first need to find it in clearly scripture and no other scripture would contradict it. So, if I look through the Bible for evidence, I find the following:

1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

This suggests grace won't be given until Jesus comes- maybe even after we're judged. But people are telling me I'm saved and have grace now, so which is true? Does anywhere else in the Bible say that?

1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Ok, I guess it does. So, we're not 'saved' yet, huh?

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

So, believing alone isn't enough? So, maybe faith and actions matter?

Romans 11

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Matthew 12:31-32

Romans 14:12

1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'

But many people are telling me the race is already won and that I can party. So, who is right: God's Word or man's word?

2 Peter 3:17

Luke 8:5-18

1 Timothy 4:1

2 Peter 2:20-22

Hebrews 3:12

Galatians 5:4

1 Corinthians 15:2-8

1 Corinthians 9:26-27 - this suggests 'trying' is good.

Evidence showing I should NOT commit sin. God bless...

Below are scriptures everyone should read and pray deeply for wisdom and understanding for. Beware of anyone trying to attack, disrespect, or demean Jesus or the name of Jesus. Jesus loves you and died for you. Scripture indicates that Jesus is God. Jesus is not God the father, but God the son. The 3 are all united as 1. There aren't 3 separate gods, there is 1 God with 3 parts as 1 John 5:7 says. We could debunk every one of the deniers' disengenuous arguments, but that would take a lot of space and most are closed off anyway. The same info is also online in countless websites. Satan loves going after any weakness he can find and people keep falling for the same tricks. Christians should simply pray about this and ask the holy spirit to either confirm or convict them on what the truth is. God bless...

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

More Proof that Jesus is part of the Godhead and trinity:

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Some like to use the same old tired argument to attack Jesus and try to discredit Him, which is: Jesus never claimed He was God.

It's a logical flaw to assume something based on something not being recorded. The Bible never said it's the Bible, either. The word Bible isn't in the Bible, so should we assume it isn't a Bible? You probably haven't ever published a book saying that you're a human being, so based on this logic we can assume you aren't one?

Just because there isn't a direct quote from someone doesn't invalidate a concept from the Bible. For example, the Bible didn't record Jesus ever saying we shouldn't "shoot someone." Does that mean it's ok? The Bible also didn't record Jesus saying the specific words that we shouldn't "have an affair." Does that mean it's ok, then?

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

There's so much scriptural proof we run out of space to post them all. Deniers will still deny, just like it says in 1 John 2:22-24. Satan is real and is great at deceiving. Pray hard about learning the truth. The truth will set you free. John 8:32.

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus's birth is prophesied and He is called Immanuel which means "God with us." Matthew 1:23-25 -fulfillment of that.

Read all of the scriptures and ignore the cultists who stray from God's Word or distort scripture. Even children can understand what these verses mean so I think some adults are just wanting to reinforce what they already want to believe, because it's convenient for other reasons. Is a Christian a real Christ follower if he doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ? That is something we should pray deeply and study deeply about.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

This sounds like an intellectually disingenuous question. Even children understand the concept of the Godhead or trinity- it's straight from God's word. If you don't understand it, that's fine, have you tried praying for wisdom and understanding. It's possible some of these comments are games a person is playing to try to pull some away from the truth to his cult-like beliefs not from the Bible. That's like doing the work of the devil. Here's some good reading material for the cultists.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25