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Hi GiGi,

Thank you, there is no reason to post more you have answered my questions. I have studied John and all the New Testament and as you see this doctrine, I do not see it was taught in any of the books of the New Testament that we must believe it for salvation. What I do see is the only way of salvation is belief in Jesus our Lord Messiah the Son of God sent by the Father. Galatians 4:4

In John, I see a loving Son obedient to the Father who Jesus says is greater than Him. When Jesus was anointed with the Spirit of God without limit or measure the Father who dwelt in Jesus is the one who did the works. John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

All that Jesus had was given to Him from the Father, John 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Thank you for discussing this with me may our love for each other overcome any disagreement.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Adam, you asked if I had kids.

If so, you would be a dad, correct? But you're also a son. But how can someone be both a "father" and a "son" at the same time. Surely that's impossible! This exposes one of your logical assumptions you used.

From my perspective in the above portion of your post

Your taking a naturalistic view point in this . Sure this is possible as human beings, to be a Father and a Son.

But we know God is Spirit. We know God is the Father,

But with your above comment your statement would be That God is someone's Son. This is not sound doctrine and has no biblical foundation.

Let's Go to Gen ch1 vs 26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Let (US) make man in (our) own image

Jesus was with God From the beginning.

Let me ask you a question.

Have you received the babtizim of the Holyghost?

What is the Holyghost? It is the spirit of God. right?

So God manifests his spirit in you , through the Holyghost. Right?

With gifts of the spirit and fruits of the spirit.

Weather they be speaking in tounges, healings, prophesying ,interpretation. etc.

God lives within those who have the Holy spirit.

We are heirs through Christ .

So we are in christ and he in us ,as christ is in the Father and the Father in him .

Likewise through Jesus we have the spirit of God in us.

See, so Gods manifestation in us does not make us (God. Or Jesus.)

Jesus was Gods only begotten son, filled with the Holyspirit without measure. Sent to do the will of the Father. This doesn't make him God the Father.

It makes him the son filled with his Fathers spirit.

John 14:28

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 10:34- seems to be a popular verse here. People want to believe they are a god, is that what's happening here? That would be a gross misinterpretation. You know this is a quote with a question mark at the end, right? Let's be honest about it. Here's the commentary for that:

Christ's argument is: If your law calls judges gods, why should I be held guilty of blasphemy for saying that I am the Son of God?

As per the other argument trying to discredit the word "one" sounds like your argument is that one doesn't really mean one, because Jesus used it to describe believers being one. I don't see how being one in unity as Christ's body somehow means that all the Bible verses about Jesus being God and divine suddenly don't apply? The verse about the Father and Son being one is only one of MANY verses competing the picture. The Bible already says Jesus the Word is God so how can you disregard that?

God: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 KJV

You: Word was "NOT" God?

"Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also." John 8:19 KJV

Have you thought about how your belief reconciles with verses like this above?

Isaiah 7:14 -

Yes, Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us". People called Jesus "God". He's King of King and Lord of Lords. Alpha and Omega, first and last. Do you believe Jesus is Lord? I believe that is a requirement for even being a Christian. A Christ follower should know who Christ is.

1 John 5:7-8

John 10:30

John 8:19

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7 (plural "us" which includes Jesus, as per John 1:1)

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Matthew 1:23-25

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

Isaiah 7:14

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

Isaiah 43:11

Hello Jema,

Since it seems you responded to my post I will respond to you. I have never reported anyone on this site or advocated for anyone to be banned. If the administration determines that someone should not be allowed to post then that is their prerogative.

The veracity of whether Jesus is God or not is not a matter of how many people believe it is true or not. Biblical truth is not determined democratically by consensus of the majority or minority. True doctrine is determined by what Scripture says to be true.

Even though billions of Christians believe Jesus is God does not make it true.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....'

John 1:14

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us , full of grace and truth; we beheld his glory, as of the ONLY Son of the Father."

John 10:30 Jesus says,

"I and the Father are one"

Just in these few verses we have Scripture stating that Jesus is God and is that the Father and Son are one together, though distinct persons.

Later on in John 14:16-17, Jesus says that He will ask the Father to send the Spirit. Thus naming EACH Person in the One God.

I think that true doctrine is important and beneficial to believers and that false doctrine is corrupting to a believer. That is why I speak out concerinng doctrine that is opposed to revealed truth in Scripture, especially doctrine concerning the identity, character, nature and work of our Savior.

Jema, I respect that you do wish to ignore or pass over postings that do not agree with your viewpoint.

And I respect that you prefer to speak what you believe without having others speak in disagreement of what you state as your beliefs.

This is a discussion forum, primarily, and not simply a place for people to post their beliefs without expecting a response. But each of us engage on this forum as we see fit as we prayerfully consider what others post and seek the Lord's guidance in how or if we respond to a posting.

Hi Jesse,

Thank you for this discussion, it is good to hear salvation is not dependent on this doctrine I have been told in many Churches I have attended I was not saved and was a heretic and shunned.

You know Greek better than I, but my understanding is the word Godhead which was added in the 1500s was translated twice and is misleading. Godhead is in the Bible 3 times, Acts 17:29, Greek word theios which means divine, Romans 1:20, Greek word theiotes which means divinity, divine nature, and Colossians 2:9 Greek word Theotetos which means deity.

The verse Colossians 2:9, in Jesus, dwelleth all the fulness of the deity of God, Jesus was filled without measure with God's Spirit/Holy Spirit John 3:34. John the Baptist said God had told him when Jesus was anointed/baptized John 1:32-33. God dwelt in Jesus and empowered Him by the Spirit. God gave Jesus power and authority Matthew 11:27. In John 1:14 we probably differ, God in Jesus dwelt/tabernacled among us. God was manifest in Jesus, John 12:49 John 14:10.

Mark 2:5-8 in Matthew 11:25 Things were hidden from the wise and prudent, Scribes, Sadducees, and Pharisees were the ones accusing Jesus of blasphemy, as we see in Matthew 9:6-8, the same event multitudes glorified God. Jesus was given full authority in Matthew 28:18 and John 17:2-3 that we should know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom the Father sent, same as all the introductions, greetings, and blessings given to the followers of Christ in the New Testament were from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ and in Revelation 21:22.

All authority has been given to Jesus by the Father until the last enemy, death is put under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 Revelation 20:14.

May our discussion inspire study.

God bless,

RLW

Matt.6:8-13 The Lord's Prayer (1 of 2)

Again we find the use of conjunctive adverb in this verse:"After this manner therefore pray ye:" Here the emphasis is on faith. It is whosoever comes to God without exception it is enjoined. "or he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."(He.11:6) Having laid down the holiness of God, Jesus tells,"for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."(6:8). Therefore faith is the foundation on which the heart of a believer serves him for a tabernacle. His faith and that of the risen Christ who is in the right hand of God being one, addresses thus, "Our Father which art in heaven" Our denotes the unity of purpose between the Petitioner and the Intercessor. Jesus promised us,"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son./If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."( John 14:13-14)

v.9 "Hallowed be thy name."

"And in his temple doth every one speak of his glory."(Ps.29:9b) Compare this with the Pharisee in the Parable. "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican./ I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess." ( Luke 18:11-12) He was seeking his own glory at His cost.

v.10 "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." As mentioned in an earliest post it refers to his abiding life and seeking the state That God may be all in all. "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."(1 Co.15:28)

v.11 "Give us this day our daily bread."

The term 'agape' fits here since 'this day' refer the blessings of heaven before the worlds began, no matter whatever circumstance we are in the 'now'. Elijah by Kerith brook.

Rev 14:12 there is a word you forgot "AND" ..The commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus"

Jesus never said if you love me keep Moses' commandments. Nope, keep his commandments. The ten commandments are grevious Jesus' aren't. Jesus' commandments 100% conditional love.

John 14:15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

1st John 5:[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 22:14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

What are Jesus' commandments?

1) Sin not

2) Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect

3) Love one another as I have loved you

4) Matthew 5:3-48.

Jesus never endorsed Moses' ministry. He laid down the new foundation in Matthew 5.

Matthew 19:[8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

The commandments of Jesus the law of spirit and life which sets us free from the law of Moses sin and death.

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Hi Valmar. Thanks for addressing my question & I do agree with you on the incomprehensible Work of the Spirit in giving healing, exhortation, etc. What I was looking for pertains to your subject, viz. a believer's eternal security. And also to a comment you made, "the ability to lose one's salvation rests completely with that individual".

The way I understand the Scriptures, is that if we have the ability, or power, to lose/relinquish our salvation, then it presents questions not only to the Spirit's Work in saving a lost soul, but also the power we have to over-ride what the Spirit has done in our lives. Clearly, you believe that a saved sinner can either choose to depart Christ or to remain faithful to Him. My question then is: is it in the new spiritual make-up of the one now found 'in Christ' to ever desire to leave the One Who has delivered Him from so great a penalty & given him a new life with peace, joy & hope? Here, I'm not referring to a saved soul who through negligence or appeal of the flesh or Satan, strays & toys with the world. I'm confident if that soul is saved, then the Spirit will not let him go; and Momsage shared an apt testimony of this very work of God in her & her husband.

So to my question, I believe the more relevant Work of the Holy Spirit in one's life is that: He Convicts man of his sin ( John 16:8-11); He Regenerates, or gives re-birth to the penitent sinner ( John 3:3-7, Titus 3:5, 2 Corinthians 5:17, 1 John 2:29); He Indwells ( 1 Corinthians 6:19, Romans 5:5, John 14:16); He Baptizes ( 1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:5); and He Seals ( 2 Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 4:30). I'm sure you're conversant with these Scriptures, showing that salvation & securing is all of God, without any contribution from man. To Page 2.

Hello Valmar,

I appreciate what you have said here.

I also believe that the Word teaches that the Holy Spirit is the one who regenerates us through the washing of the word.

( Titus 3:5)

He sanctifies us ( John 17:5) ( Romans 15:16) He gives us life (6:63)

The Spirit puts to death the works of sin in us ( Romans 8:13)

He baptizes us into Christ ( 1 Cor. 12:13)

The Spirit gives us access to the Father ( Eph. 2:18)

He teaches us. ( John 14:26)

There are many more things that Scriptures say about what the Spirit does in and for us.

Elijah was never sent to the cross and died for my sin. It was Jesus Christ the Son of God who paid it all for me and not Elijah. What you have is a very bad teaching. Elijah served as an example of a man of God, however, he did not send the Holy Ghost down nor did he give gifts unto mankind. What Elijiah did in the Old Testament was before the cross, we are after the cross in Christ and not in Elijiah. The bible does not teach, that Elijah was a double for people. Bring me the scripture? It does not exist. An antiChrist Gospel for sure and not out of the mouth of God, as there are no scriptures to back up what you are saying.

Jesus came and spoke words of spirit and life from what he heard from God his Father John 6:63. Jesus never spoke his own words, he received words from his Father in heaven. After the cross, Christ is in me by faith as it is Christ in me the hope of glory. I don't hope you make heaven, I posess that hope in Christ Jesus.

St. Paul was talking about the gifts of the spirit not about the spirit of Elijiah as Jesus sent the Holy Ghost and not the spirit of Elijiah to mankind.

John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The gifts of the spirit is the result/ evidence of the Holy Ghost and not Elijiah's spirit.

Ephesians 4:[8] Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

John 14:6 | Read whole chapter

Iesus saith vnto him, I am the Way, the Trueth, and the Life: no man commeth vnto the Father but by mee.

Formal church attendance: Vows and covenants

1 Corinthians 10:4 talks about everyone drinking from the same spiritual rock and the Rock was Christ. God made a covenant with His chosen people and delivered them after 400 years of bondage in Egypt; passing them through the Red Sea. Not all Israel is Israel however. ( Romans 9:6-7). Some argue this represents Baptism; holding those under the covenant parents make on behalf of their children at infancy. Whatever the case; when we become church members; we make a vow or covenant as to our service toward other believers. In fact when we first come to Christ; it should be looked at as a Covenant. Christ has fulfilled everything in the finished work on the cross on our behalf; but is only EFFECTIVE if we are truly saved. God makes us willing ( Psalm 110:3) and He gives the gift of repentance. ( 2 Timothy 2:25 and several other references). If we truly are saved we will love God and of course keep His commandments ( John 14:15). This involves obedience toward Christ and Him being Lord Savior AND Master of our lives.

When we make a church vow as members we affirm our faith in Christ; and our commitment to the body of Christ (prayer and fellowship). In Pittsburgh one of the things my pastor did annually was print out our vow as a reminder which I think is a good thing. This naturally encompasses the discipline of rebuking a brother and going through necessary disciplinary measures if personal resolution cannot be accomplished. If leadership is guilty and the congregation doesn't corroborate clearly evident apostasy or sin then we must disfellowship. I went through a specific issue that I won't elaborate on now with an elder after discussion with the Pastor in a previous church; eventually I left; so I've been there. This as with a marriage involves the same principal; we always seek reconciliation but separation may be needed at times. We are all part of covenant fellowship with all true Christians.

1 Sa.24:1-4 "Wilderness of En-Gedi" (1 of 2)

"And it came to pass, when Saul was returned from following the Philistines, that it was told him, saying, Behold, David is in the wilderness of Engedi(v.1)".

'And David went up from thence, and dwelt in strong holds at Engedi.'(23:29)

En-gedi means 'kid's well which is a wilderness and must be like being led by the Lord in a wilderness which is the world. Psalm 23 celebrates the still waters ('He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters'-v.2. ) as against the sea which is restless throwing up mire and dirt.

For the love-bitten bride it is the intimacy so we have seen,"My beloved is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi (The song.1:14)". Abiding in Jesus Christ the vine we abound in bearing fruits. The place suited David in his present predicament. There were caverns that sheltered him from Saul, which served him as 'strongholds.' Literally meant geography of the terrain suited him and his band. 'En-gedi was situated near to the western coast of theDead Sea, not far from Jeshimon'. In spiritual terms it is the pavilion where our heart has laid open a royal highway to God.

'In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.( John 14:2)' The word of God is eternal and has already gone out of his mouth meaning it is the will of God that His children shall be secure under His wings. Jesus laments for Jerusalem and rightly so since their disbelief denied what was eternally open for them.(Matt.23:30) Jesus Christ the same etc.,(He.13:8) means just that. When David asked of the Lord,"saying, Shall I go and smite these Philistines? And theLordsaid unto David, Go, and smite the Philistines, and save Keilah(23:2)". The will of God is clear. There were dotted lines which had to connected and it is how faith is followed by works. David trusting in the promise wins victory of the Philistines.

Ps.127:1 "Fullness of God"

This song of Solomon is classed as a song of Ascents that pilgrims traditionally recited going up to the city of Jerusalem. The Spirit is exhorting us to look beyond the superficials and we are to be fitly framed together as holy temple. "Look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged."(Is. 51:1)

"Except theLordkeep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

The city of habitation is a heavenly city. Zion to give it a name.("Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation"-Is.28:16;102:16). The Lord God is the maker of heaven and the earth. When He sent his only begotten Son to the world it was not to found any new city or keep a city already founded by man, than the one which He already had. It is to this Jesus referred,"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.... that where I am, there ye may be also."( John 14:2).

Preparation of this house has been set in motion from the moment a day was decreed for the Son. It a city which is his inheritance by right. "Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." The psalm refers it as uttermost parts, from one end to another and the house that can accommodate such a company, 'and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him' to give it a number, -and it is what Daniel reckoned Dan.7:10, . In the literal temple of Solomon the priests could not enter because the glory "of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord."(1 Ki.8:11).

In the Isaiah quote mentioned at the outset has a sure foundation and it was for which God sent his sent his Son. His death and resurrection delineate the way, "For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ."(1 Co.3:11)

Brother Richard:

The word says that scripture has to be understood by applying other scriptures to it.

The NEW COVENANT, the gospel, was preached to THEM as well as unto US.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship, salvation is of the Jews.

Romans 2:29 For he is a JEW, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is in the heart, IN THE SPIRIT .....

Romans 8:2 For the LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST, has made us free from the LAW of sin and DEATH ...

This same gospel was preached to them as well as us.

Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the UNDEFILED in the way ( John 14:6) who WALK in the LAW OF the LORD ( Romans 8:2).

Ezekiel 36:27 I will put my Spirit in you and cause you to WALK in my STATUTES, and keep my judgements and DO THEM.

Psalms 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in HIS WAYS.

Psalms 119:5 Oh that my ways were directed to keep thy STATUTES!

The Spirit CAUSES us TO DO his will, the words that come out of our mouth, are his words, the works of our hands, are his works.

Isaiah 48:18 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this, I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there am I, and HIS SPIRIT HAS SENT ME ( Romans 8:2).

John 14:24 ...and the word ye hear are not mine, but the Father's which sent me ....

Mark 10:8 And they TWAIN shall be ONE FLESH: so they are no more TWAIN, but ONE FLESH ...

The same SPIRIT that sent Christ and raised him up, and we as JOINT HEIRS, abides in us, our words are not ours by the Father's that anoints us.

The wages if UNBELIEF is DEATH.

The GIFT of BELIEF is IMMORTAL LIFE.

1 Timothy 6:16 .... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTAL LIFE......

God BLESS YOU!

Ame, Parkerdy, Amen.

I pray right now that the Lord God will quickly answer Your prayer request here and comfort You in your cry for His help and assurance of your salvation and security in Him. I pray that our Heavenly Father will take away all your feelings of sadness, all your burdens of sin, and all of your worries about your standing before Him. Jesus stands before the Father as our mediator as our defense and righteousness, and we are in Him as He mediates as our Priest and King. In this way we are seated in heavenly places already, because if we believe on Him we are in Him as He says in John 14:20

"At that time (when the Comforter, Holy Spirit comes) you will shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."

And in John 14:27 Jesus says, "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled; neither let it be afraid."

May these words comfort you today, Parkerdy

You are God's child, equally loved and shared by the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. God has taken you as His treasured possession to live with Him forever. In this life we have the Spirit as our surety, our guarantee of the promise of the resurrection and life now and forever with the indwelling Spirit of God.

"All mine are thine, and thine are mine, and I am glorified in them." John 17:10,

May you live in the freedom, faith, and peace f o Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and His Father, and of the precious gift of the Holy Spirit. God has you covered, truly, and your sins are forgiven. You can walk afresh in fellowship with our God without guilt or fear. May the Spirit fill you with this truth today. Amen.

Ps.107:7 "City of habitation"

"And he led them forth by the right way, that they might go to a city of habitation."

The Spirit in organizing the Salvation Plan gives us a great exodus of men, one to a city of habitation while the other to destruction. This is according to the Core will which is all about His kingdom which ruleth over all. "The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all."(Ps.103:19). As Jesus promised his ministry on the earth was not solely to save those who were dead in sins but to equip them for their city habitation. In short Core will of God covers both fronts both heaven and the earth. "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." ( John 14:3)

Salvation program begins in the world of the Spirit, which is a Garden planted by God. At the end of it we have the city which also is prepared by God. "But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up."(Matt.15:13) This tree of life in the Garden is found in this city as well.

After the great flood we are given a great human migration."As they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there." They began a tower and they began with brick for stone and slime for mortar. "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower."(Ge.11:4) They were against God so they had to make a name for themselves. Celebrities whose lifestyles are much emulated are the catalyst, -what motion, what a dazzle! and they work tirelessly to make news. This has lead to Babylon which is is hold all for every city made by men. Jerusalem belongs there. How did the city fare? "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."(Re.18:21)

Hi Jess L,

This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.

God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.



All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.

In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.

Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.



You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.

God bless,

RLW

Dear Jess L.

That is a very good question.

Many would say that that God's Essence, (divine nature) is the same for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one Divine Essence and only those in the Godhead possess it to its fullest perfection and eternal existence. The Godhead is a union of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

John 13:20 says: Verily, Verily, I say unto you, he that receiveth whomever (the Holy Spirit) I send receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveith him who sent me (the Father). Here Jesus speaks of three persons who are received by us and indwell us together as one God, not three.

John 14:10 says " Believeth thou not that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but my Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the work." Jesus is saying the when He speaks the Father is speaking in and through Him.

And in John 14:23 Jesus says: " If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come and make our abode in him." Here, after promising to send the Holy Spirit vs. 16 and that the Spirit will dwell in us, says that when the Spirit is abiding in us, so is the Father and the Son. So here is a prime example of three distinct persons living in us as a unity.

But it is in the relationship between the persons of the Godhead that there is a hierarchy. The Father is head of the Son and Spirit. He is in authority over the Son and Spirit, and the Spirit is subject to the Father and the Son. The Son is in submission to the Father. In this way, relationally, the Father is greater than the Son.

Also, in terms of "offices" the authority of the Father is over that of the Son. Jesus will turn over to the Father all power and authority when all of God's enemies are put under Christ's feet, as promised by the Father and recorded as prophecy in Scriptures. Jesus said in John 10:8 that He only speaks what the Father speaks through Him.

continued in pt. 2

SLLockhart

( Proverbs 30:5-6)

( Rev 22:18-19)

( Jer 23:36) perverted is #2015; it means "to change".

( Ps 12:6-7) 6) "The words of the LORD are pure words" pure is #2889; it means unadulterated, uncontaminated, sound.

7) "Thou shalt keep them O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever". preserve is #5341, it means to guard, to protect, maintain, obey.

( John 14:23-24) "If a man love me, he will ((keep my words)) and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him".

This verse is telling us if we don't keep His words the Father and Jesus will not come unto us and abode with us.

Many on this site do not keep His words.

His words are pure words preserved for ever in the King James Bible, ((FOR EVER))

They are not preserved only in the manuscripts, ( 2 Tim 2:15) tells us "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth". We are told to study, and rightly divide the word of truth.

Can we study and rightly divide the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts today? No we can not!

His words are pure ( Proverbs 30:5) His words are Alive ( Heb 4:12) His words are Inspired ( 2 Tim 3:16) which is God breathed ( 2 Pet 1:19-21) His words are sound doctrine, His words are not perverted.

Modern versions are perverted words of men ( Jer 23:36) they have all "changed" the words of the living God!

It is very important to see this Truth, modern versions are doctrines of devils ( 1 Tim 4:1)

Modern versions are not sound doctrine ( 2 Tim 4:3-4)

I pray this is helpful to any who trust modern version bibles.

Blessings!

Hi Adam,

In 1 John 4:18, where it says "He that feareth is not made perfect in love," it would seem as though it is saying that it is bad to fear.

Here is my understanding of this verse:

He says there is no fear in love; but perfect love (that is, love brought to completion), casts out fear: because fear has torment. He that fears is not made perfect, or complete in love.

He's talking about the motive for obeying God. Some people obey God because they are afraid. Those who have the Spirit of God, and have matured and understand about the love of God, they do things because they love Him. It's like Jesus said in John 14:15 if you love me, you will keep my commandments.

In Luke 12:5, if we look at it with Verse 4, Jesus is showing contrast. All man can do to you is kill you, physically put you to death. And He's following this line of hypocrisy. We act a certain way so that we don't get rejected. We act a certain way so that we don't suffer the consequences.



Even as a Christian, sometimes we compromise with nonbelievers because we have a fear and a concern whether they are going to reject us or receive us. Jesus said all you need to do is fear God. That is the only one you need to fear.

I hope this helps. God bless!!!

Hello Friends, today I wish to keep the conflict in Israel/Gaza in my prayers especially ass it seems that things will escalate more over the next week. I pray that civilians in each area get to safety.

To continue in my study on Who God truly is I move on to "L" and meditate on God as being LIFE.

God revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14 as "I AM WHO I AM" which speaks to His self-existence. He does not derive His existence from any other, nor did He ever begin to exist at any time, nor will He ever not exit. This is impossible for Him.

When He calls Himself "I AM, it is perhaps one of the profoundest statement we can know. HE IS!

He is clearly stating that He exists, o if, and, or buts about it. He has always existed, and will exist forever.

John 1:4 says that Life is in God. He is the source of all life. Because He is the Life. john 11:25 Jesus calls Himself the Resurrection and the Life. John 5:26 Jesus says that He has Life within Himself just as the Father has life within Himself. Thus saying that He is God , just as the Father is God. John 6:63 Jesus says that the Spirit gives life, affirming that the Spirit is God. And with these statements Jesus is saying that within the Godhead there are three who together gives life since they are Life itself. Nothing comes into existence without being created by God and it is He who give any creature life. In John 6:63.



God made us. Each person of the Godhead is involved in giving us life because they are Life itself, as Jesus says in John 14:6 when He says that He is the way, the truth, and the life.

Romans 5:10 speaks of how we are saved through the life of Christ. By the power of God's everlasting life, Jesus' body was resurrected from the dead and lives forever. This is how we receive salvation. Because He lives, we will live. And since all people ever created receive their natural life from God, those who are chosen by God to be saved, receive their spiritual life from God as well. see part 2

God Bless You all, prayer request for healing. And prayers for each other that we keep on keeping on. I'll meet you all in the air.

1 Thessalonians 5:2

"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."

1 Thessalonians 4:16

"For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

1 Thessalonians 4:17

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (7 years in Heaven and in Revelation 19:11-21 Christ returns with His Saints and the Angels)

Revelation 3:10

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Matthew 5:12

"Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in Heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

John 14:2

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Grace and Salvation and the Holy Spirit will remain. The Body of Christ is he who hinders, God said the Holy Spirit will abide with thee forever. Zech 14:16-21 speaks of those that are left, without the mark or and who did not worship the image will serve year to year.

Isaiah 19:23-25

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Pr.9:1

"The House with Seven Pillars"

"Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:" Proverbs 9:1 KJV

This was founded before the worlds began and the Spirit announces," she hath also furnished her table." It to to which Jesus at the door alluded,Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."(Re.3:20). Everyone who heard the call and is an overcomer even a he is shall find a new name indicating his place in the Great Banquet. So this house founded on Zion helps us understand how we should approach the significance of sevens. Seven pillars are seven schedules in the abstract breaking up the covenant between God and Man. Thus the heaven mentioned includes every believer in the Man component who is adopted by the Father and at the end we are looking at the new heaven. Likewise second day ,the analogy of pillar still stands, "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.: God calls it the earth. At the end it is the new earth. (Ge.1:10) In short the narrative about the Son whose promise to the believer is this, " And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.:( John 14:3) This is the house Wisdom has built. Seven pillars are called days since God has by a decree given his Son a day. So this indivdual calls has gone forth even before the foundation of the world.

Seventy weeks mentioned in Daniel 9 is about a prophetic year and there are so many promises of God which are to be fulfilled. God's promise to Abraham is yet another. (Ge.12:3)

Be that as it may, ask ourselves which is greater? The day decreed for the Son (Ps.2:7) or a prophetic year. By literal approach what you come up is dead wrong since God a Spirit was pleased that all his fulness in the Son to dwell.

Lee the Follower:

Since you have not yet received an answer to your question, I would like to reply.

There are two baptisms, John baptism of water, and Christ's baptism of truth and life.

The true gospel has been lost to the traditions and teachings of man.

The true gospel is what happened at Christ death and resurrection.

You were BAPTISED into the DEATH and RESURRECTION of Christ, you were baptised into the NAME of Jesus.

You DIED with Christ, you arose with Christ, you and Christ were MARRIED and became ONE, being raised together as ONE.

All creation was MADE NEW, the new heavens and the new earth, at his resurrection.

Salvation is about BELIEVING what God says he HAS DONE.

Your saved from DEATH.

1 Timothy 5:16 Christ ONLY has IMMORTALITY ...

1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this mortal must PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....Christ only has immortality......

Your were BAPTISED into LIFE of Christ by his resurrection.

John 14:6 I AM the LIFE ....

Romans 8:29 .... being predestinate (by the BAPTISM of his resurrection) TO BE conformed to the IMAGE of his son.

You were RAISED a NEW CREATION;

John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou has given me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they maybe ONE, even as we are ONE.

BELIEVE what God has done.

God BLESS YOU!

SALVATION CAN BE LOST

John 15:2: "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

I heard so many people saying that salvation cannot be lost. I think there is a necessity to define what "lost" means. Does it mean losing the communion with the Lord on this earth? Or does it mean going to hell after death? In my argument, I have chosen the latter definition, losing salvation = going to hell after death. If one finishes up not making it to heaven, it means the person has lost his salvation because the goal of salvation is to live where Jesus is ( John 14:3)

1. Who are the branches Jesus spoke about? The believers, here Jesus was not talking about non-believers (because they are not "branches").

2. Two types of branches: Branches that abide in Jesus, and branches that do not abide in Him, meaning believers who abide in Jesus, and believers who do not. Those who abide bear good fruit, but those who do not abide bear no fruit.

3. Note that there is a difference between accepting Jesus and abiding in Him. Some people accept Jesus but do not ABIDE in Him, meaning that they do not obey and completely surrender to Him in their journey.

4. Those people (who believed at first, but did not abide in Him later) are the branches that do not abide in Jesus, and therefore, they will be cut off.

Conclusion: It is a big mistake to believe that one cannot lose salvation once saved. Philippians 2:12-13 said, "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you..." If salvation is "granted" once, why did the Apostle Paul say we should work with "fear" and "trembling"?

I Corinthians 9:27: "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." Look at the last word of the verse. "CASTAWAY", meaning losing salvation.

Brethren, Let's walk in holiness.

Koosees:

Can truth be figurative or is truth alway literal taught by things that are symbolic (figurative) of truth.

John 14:6 ...I am TRUTH ....

Is not TRUTH always literal.

Christ is TRUTH, so is Christ sometime figurative or ALWAYS literal.

God BLESS YOU!

One eighty thank you for the comment.

It's really simple One eighty, do you Believe the Word of God?

God promised He would preserve His Word in ( Ps 12:6-7) The Word of God is Truth, God preserved His Word in 1611 in the KJB.

The words of the LORD are pure words.

Every word of God is pure ( Proverbs 30:5-6) (EVERY) WORD, (EVERY) WORD of God is pure.

In ( John 14:23) Jesus said "If a man love me, ((he will keep my words)); and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him".

There a condition with Jesus and the Father coming unto a person and making their abode with him, what is it? ((he will keep my words))

Keep His words.

Then if we look at the other side of it.

( Jer 23:36) Tells us "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God" (perverted) is #2015; it means to change.

All the modern version bibles have changed the words of the living God!

( Jer 23) is prophecy for today about pastors that feed God's people ( Jer 23:1-2) and scatter His flock.

What do pastors feed Gods people? The Word of God!

Then we see ( 2 Tim 4:3-4) Where is the doctrine at today that's not sound doctrine?

Those who do not endure sound doctrine are those who choose the bibles that (change) or pervert their words, turning from the truth.

So there would be (perverted) scripture meaning (to change) the words, these would not be sound doctrine, this is also all modern version bibles. Then we see ( 2 Tim 3:16) "scripture that is inspired by God", the KJB.

Truth is what matters One eighty.

Again thank you for your response.

God Bless you and all who seek His Truth.

"Bro dan - in Reply

SolaScrip,

True Christ Followers will be obedient to all of God's 10 Commandments as taught by Jesus in the New Testament."

Well, God's 10 Commandments are identical to Christ's Commandments. Christ didn't change, minimize or abbreviate them in any way. Christ is the Creator of all things and He created the Commandments - there would be no reason for Him to change or rescind any of them.

Christ speaks of obeying the Law, the 10 Commandments, just as they are taught by the scribes and Pharisees in Matt. 23:1-3. He says to "do as they say, but not as they do" because the teachers of the Law at that time were all hypocrites. They taught the 10 Commandments, but kept none of them. That passage proves that Jesus taught the literal keeping of the 10 Commandments, not just the essence, or spirit, of them in our hearts, etc.

Jesus stated, as you pointed out, that He kept all of the Father's 10 Commandments physically when He declared it in John 15:10.

We see that 1 John makes clear that we are to live as Jesus lived, obeying what He obeyed, in 1 John 2:6. That does not support the modern popular teaching that we are only to obey them in spirit. And if Jesus had any intention of teaching that Christians did not need to keep them literally, we would not have the record of the disciples keeping the Saturday Sabbath immediately after Christ's death on the Cross in Luke 23:54-56. We also would not see Paul being labeled by the elders as a "Keeper of the Law" in Acts 21:24.

"IF a Christian is filled with God's Holy Spirit they will naturally be following all of God's/Jesus Commandments."

I would agree with this, but that just means that the vast majority of professed Christians today are not filled with the Holy Spirit because most Christians do not obey the 10 Commandments.

Jesus says that it is the keeping of the 10 Commandments that is pre-requisite for receiving 'HIM' as the Holy Spirit in John 14:21.

"Bro dan - in Reply

SolaScrip,

True Christ Followers will be obedient to all of God's 10 Commandments as taught by Jesus in the New Testament."

Well, God's 10 Commandments are identical to Christ's Commandments. Christ didn't change, minimize or abbreviate them in any way. Christ speaks of obeying the Law, the 10 Commandments, just as they are taught by the scribes and Pharisees in Matt. 23:1-3. He says to "do as they say, but not as they do" because the teachers of the Law at that time were all hypocrites. They taught the 10 Commandments, but kept none of them. That passage proves that Jesus taught the physical keeping of the 10 Commandments, not just the essence, or spirit, of them in our hearts, etc.

Jesus stated, as you pointed out, that He kept all of the Father's 10 Commandments physically when He declared it in John 15:10.

We see that 1 John makes clear that we are to live as Jesus lived, obeying what He obeyed, in 1 John 2:6. That does not support the modern popular teaching that we are only to obey them in spirit. And if Jesus had any intention of teaching that Christians did not need to keep them literally, we would not have the record of the disciples keeping the Saturday Sabbath immediately after Christ's death on the Cross in Luke 23:54-56. We also would not see Paul being labeled by the elders as a "Keeper of the Law" in Acts 21:24.

"IF a Christian is filled with God's Holy Spirit they will naturally be following all of God's/Jesus Commandments."

I would agree with this, but that just means that the vast majority of professed Christians today are not filled with the Holy Spirit because most Christians do not obey the 10 Commandments.

Jesus says that it is the keeping of the 10 Commandments that is pre-requisite for receiving 'HIM' as the Holy Spirit in John 14:21.