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The Bible talks about the rapture in the following verses. Beware of anyone trying to convince you it isn't there:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:40-41

Luke 17:35

Revelation 3:10

1 Corinthians 15:51-52

John 14:3

Mark 13:32 says not even Jesus knows the day of when the end will be. So, be ready.

Dear Alex, Your doctrine of universal salvation regardless of belief or unbelief in Jesus and His work as well as your doctrine of God being born and replicated in us is what is in error.

Refer to John 3:18-19 and Luke 13:3 (Jesus said to repent or perish)

The Sciptures says that the Holy Spirit, Christ, and the Father all come to dwell within the believer, but all are not remade into baby gods in us, nor replicated in our human persons.

Read Ephesians 2:22 and Ephesians 3:17

John 14:17 and John 14:23

God does not change, as in the Spirit being born in us as child that grows. Only Jesus was Incarnated, not the Holy Spirit.

Read Psalm 102:27 and Hebrews 1:12 and Malachi 3:6

Alex, I know that we have addressed these doctrines before, but I still believe that YOU are the one in direct opposition to the revealed Word of God.

Bless you today, Alex. Always, love in Christ.

Hi.

You said "as we are driven to truth."

Jesus told His disciples in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

We display him with HONESTY AND NO DECEPTION.

AMEN?

Exodus 14:14 kjv, Psalm 119:50, John 14:6, John 14:18.

1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 68:5, Psalms 34:18, Psalms 73:28, John 14:15,16

Hopefully these are helpful to encourage & lift your spirit

Hi Star,

It doesn't say we have to "read, in the name of" but when we pray, receive a child, or when people are being baptized,

Jesus name is the principal thing. Matthew 18:5,20, Mark 9:37,39,41,48, Mark 16:15-18, John 14:13,14,26, John 15, John 16:23-28,

Hopefully this is helpful

Covenants part 3

The basic situation in this world is that man is under the bondage of the law ( Romans 3:19-20; also see Galatians). Therefore; the universal application of the old covenant of works essentially is expected for all who wish to come to the one true faith. Christ; of course has allowed us to be "grafted in" to the promises of Israel. We see this in the second half of Romans 13.

We have been called and chosen to be God's children. Nonetheless; we are just as required to follow the stipulations of Christ; namely loving God and obeying His commandments. ( John 14:21). Our love; of course only comes from the Lord; as any who love the law of God ( Psalm 119). The flesh abhors the law as it cannot obey it.

The church therefore; once again doesn't sign any paperwork with God but is held accountable to God's terms for calling themselves a believer. Greater punishment for those who have knowledge of the law is seen in Matthew 11:21 and the following verses. This is why churches that want signed agreements as to membership requirements aren't a failsafe method. God isn't fooled by those who say "Lord, Lord" but don't do what He says. ( Luke 6:46). God knows man's heart and that is what He gets to the bottom of in terms of man's attitudes and actions which is the focus of the New Testament and new covenant as the Lord Himself explained and of course is further discussed in the Epistles. We should be careful not to call ourselves Christians if we are not; it is better not to know the truth than to follow Christ in this way ( 2 Peter 2:21). We see the two classes of people who are either unbelievers or reprobate in many scriptures. More on that later.

"In love" and loving God. A proper approach

I will start this off by saying emphatically that those who say that we should be in love with Christ are placing a confusing term on Agape; which transcends all other human affections. I believe it is safe to say that God's love never relies or comes after human feelings; whether "phileo" (such as brotherly love) and certainly not eros (which involves sensual aspects). It is true that our emotions in any commitment; including the highest one in our spiritual lives will have our mind; heart and soul involved as we gain trust and learn obedience. That is probably what those who are well intentioned mean by this phrase. And in an abstract sense those who are in and ONLY in a Godly marriage can find intimacy as a result of God being at the core of their relationship. But the opposite is risked here and the fruit thereof is often seen in the mega churches. This is seen in the not so veiled "prosperity gospel" that invokes "sowing a seed" to the ministry and promising all sorts of finacial windfalls and is also seen in music obviously appealing to the flesh in the way women dress and shallow lyrics at best with just enough scripture to make it deadly. Matthew 13:30 gives us a strong admonition for those who "immediately" recieve the Word (or seed of truth) with joy. Without root; then as with many today we don't see an enduring capacity when trials of life and cares of this world come along. In fact it seems persecution isn't usually found in these places (hence a real drawing power). 2 Timothy 3:12; of course shows that all who are Godly will be persecuted; and it emphasizes the word "desire" to be Godly. This implies that we obey God because we love Him ( John 14:15).

The flesh and Spirit are in contention with each other ( Galatians 5:17). We need to keep in mind that every good and perfect gift is from above ( James 1:17).

In my next section I will discuss aspects of the Holy Spirit in ministry.

Hi Verleen, I responded to your post earlier today, but the site was having trouble with posts going through. Now that is fixed.

You have posed several good questions and I would like to respond to the last one concerning believing in a God no one has seen.

The first thing that came to my mind was what Jesus said in the gospels. In John 1:18 Jesus said, No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."

In John 14:9-10 in response to Philip's request for Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus said, "have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father, so how can you say, "Show us the Father?

do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?....

In these verses Jesus is saying that He is God and that any of the people of His time on earth who saw Him also saw the

Father because of the unified Oneness of the Persons of the Godhead. Jesus, being the Son of God in the flesh, showed by His perfect human life and by His divine expressions in miracles and other divine actions and words revealed to those who saw Him the Godhead and what God was like.

Those who saw Jesus after His resurrection, saw Him in His glory, revealing more of who God is to the disciples, from the women and apostles at the tomb, to the rest of the disciples in the Upper Room, and to 500 0ther persons before the disciples saw him ascend to the Father. A human person cannot appear to people after they die. Jesus was God and He said He was returning to His Father, who was God. Acts 7:56 Stephen at the time he was being stoned said, look, I see heaven opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!" He was seeing Jesus with the Father in heaven as equals.

In the Old Testament, many godly men were visited by God-Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Ezekiel-to name a few. These appearances were usually described as the Angel of the Lord.

Quailifying statement: I meant to say the individual experience of God's presence depends on their spiritual state. Ephesians 1:13-14 shows how we are "sealed with the Spirit" if we know Christ. The verse "we will make our dwelling place with them" ( John 14:23). But for the wicked the wrath of God abides on him ( John 3:36).

That should be a good starting point at least on scriptures answering your question.

Agape; Rich P

Hello, Bible study,

My understanding they are part of each other. Obedience is dependent on our faith that we live by with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The first Adam broke the relationship and God's dwelling place in man when he was disobedient in eating from that tree. Faith can be measured through our obedience which is the visible expression of our faith.

The Bible says that Jesus learned obedience from what He suffered and was made perfect, Heb. 8:5. Jesus gave us perfect examples of being obedient He did nothing of His own it was the Father's will not His, Luke 4:18 John 5:30 John 14:10. When Jesus was in the garden just before He was taken, He asked the Father if there was a different way but not His will but the Father's, Luke 22:42 but Jesus was obedient unto death.

We cannot be saved by works; we cannot earn our salvation. Is being obedient considered works? My understanding is no. Obedience is not an option it is a command, we either obey or disobey like the first Adam. If we are obedient, we are dutiful and compliant to His commands.

Our faith, Heb.1:1 by the grace of God that we fully trust Him regardless of what we may face, not with our logic but with His, and the promises God has given us, our hope is not in this world but the eternal one that our hope is in, that with patience we wait and watch for to come.

May others word it better to help your study.

God bless,

RLW

The brief answer is that faith is needed for it is impossible to please God without faith ( Heb. 11:6). Obedience is; however better than sacrifice when it is done in the wrong method ( 1 Sam. 15:22). If you obey God you will keep His commandments ( John 14:15). Trust is also a key here; as Jesus hardly had to have faith that His Father; God existed but yet in His earthly existance He had to "learn obedience" ( Heb. 5:8-9). He had to do this to be our High Priest who suffered as we did but without sin ( Heb. 4:15). Therefore we have to make sure we have true faith and not something based on our emotions or a false gospel.

John 14:12,

Perhaps Psalm 110:3 is the verse I wanted to quote. Obedience; as Jesus Himself said occurs because we love Him ( John 14:15).

Perhaps also the concept of doing things as James states is a result of faith WITH works; without such it is not true faith at all.

All works of course originate from our heart; and it's condition of being either good or evil (good fruit vs bad) as the input result in the output and the "reward" in it. So for the unregenerate the law may constrain sin; for instance; but as Psalm 119 illustrates we learn to LOVE the law even though it is something without His strength that we cannot obey. So it is the same God who is present and seen in some form who we all interact with. Hebrews 6:4 makes it evident that there is some experiential commonality as it were with all men; but the difference is having the Lord make residence in our hearts vs. being on the outside looking in as it were. Admittedly these are tough concepts and no matter how much intellectual understanding there is we have certain things hidden to us as to the full meaning ( Deut. 29:29). Our own worst enemy is; of course our own self and sin within. Saints of God understand this and therefore He "chastises all He loves" ( Hebrews 12:6). This differentiates Judas Iscariot from Peter in regard to the betrayal and the end result; for example. In the short term; it may be hard to discern the wheat from the tares but for many time will prove what fruit is present in their lives although sadly it takes until the end of someone's life for it to be clear (and that is almost always bad news). In the end we can only exhort; and rebuke and hopefully some will be retrieved from "out of the fire" as it were. Those who are His own learn to listen to the HARD verses in scripture and are offended when a lukewarm message is being offered or it is compromised in any way.

Hope some of this helps. Agape. Rich P

Jesus is the same yesterday; today and forever. That could be said of the entire Godhead.

Christ has the fullness of the Godhead bodily dwelling within as said in Colossians 2:9. The Spirit was in Him without measure ( John 3:34) and whoever has seen Him has seen the Father ( John 14:9). Nonetheless there is certainly a destinction in terms of roles with Christ being the sin bearer and the Father turning away when He bore our sins at Calvary ( Psalm 22:1). God cannot dwell in unrighteousness; and for that moment it was God's will for Jesus to be crushed ( Isaiah 53:5).

The Holy Spirit isn't given any distinctive appearance except in the beginning of the Gospels ( Luke 3:22 for example appearing like a dove); and with cloven tongues of fire at Pentecost ( Acts 2:3).

Revelation 3:21 indicates Christ overcoming all things; death could not hold Him ( Acts 2:24).

In some sense whether in the Preincarnate form or since His Resurrection He is both in the form of a man (the Man who is the second Adam as it were) who still bears the marks on His body being the first of the Firstfruits resurrected from the dead ( 1 Cor. 15:23) and of course beyond time as the Creator of all things ( Jn. 1:3 and several other verses) fully God. So there is distinction and unity with the "Trinity" as it were. When looking at His glory; we see the fullness of sight and sound (with mighty thunderings with His voice ( Ezekiel 3:12-13; and verses in Revelation; Psalms etc.) We should be aware as believers of our sinfulness (as the Spirit indicates in John 16:8) and we tremble at His presence. This is different than the reaction of the wicked who sense their destruction and love their sin more than God ( John 3:19). Nonetheless it seems that there are "revelations and visions" abounding; but few seem to describe that Holy fear of God of which is the beginning of understanding ( Psalm 111:10). Compare this with much music and preaching today that presents a sappy God without other attributes.

Yes Jeff, you can also look at John 14:30; John 16:11; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4; Ephesians 2:2.

That was heartening to read, Jrpon, of your faithfulness to the Lord & to your marriage vows. In spite of maybe times of loneliness & a patient waiting on the Lord for His provision, you have proved the sufficiency of His Grace to surmount those trials. Yes, many have carelessly entered into an unequal/unloving marriage & have suffered through it & regretted it. But the comfort that He gives, is His special peace, that He has not forgotten you & will only give you His very best to live this life for Him. John 14:27.

Matthew 25:31-46,

Matthew 7,

James 1:5, John 14:26, John 17, James 2:13-20, context James 2,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

John 1:5 conclusion. When we read John 13:30; we see Judas Iscariot going out "immediately" after given the "sop" which was given traditionally to an honored guest. The narrative continues into John 14 and 15 all the way to John 15:16 which mentions the Disciples being called; chosen AND ordained (sans the traitor). The "fruit production" comes to those God has enabled to do this.

They have promises therefore of inheriting eternal life and the glories of heaven ( John 14:2).

The cost of being a disciple of course was soon to be revealed; namely in Peter's fall. In Luke 22:32 the word "converted" is used in order to describe what would soon happen. Christ knew all; of course that Peter was one of His own (as He would give nicknames to emphasize characteristics of the Apostles). In John 1:42 Jesus said that he would be called Cephus or the rock; later on in Matthew 16:16 we see that Christ was revealed to Peter as to who He was. Therefore the word converted here would mean to be restored spiritually after the fall; but it showed the effects of true repentance. Peter until this point was impetuous and immature in many ways as a child in his walk; so the meaning here is when Peter's outward behavior would represent a radical transfomation and involved dying to self. This made him ready after the Resurrection to take on what he knew would end up in martyrdom ( John 21:18). It also gave him boldness in the Book of Acts despite a realistic fear of his own persecution.

Let us therefore take heed; that we are slow to speak as well as swift to hear and slow to wrath (mixed up interpretation of James 1:19). We need to look out for false teachers as well; who self identify as believers; but show no evidence of true faith and producing good fruit.

Hi Mara.

Here's what I found about Angel numbers and its contrast to Christianity.

Part 1.

Angel numbers have grown in popularity in recent years due to the resurgence of New Age practices. While angel numbers might sound as if they have something to do with the angels of the Bible, they do not. There is nothing biblical about angel numbers, as nowhere in the Bible are we told about the existence of angel numbers.

What Are Angel Numbers?

An example of an angel number is when multiple repetitions of numbers happen, such as 333, 222, or 111. According to those who believe in angel numbers, each angel number has a special and unique meaning. If you see multiple repetitions of the same set of numbers, this is "your angel number."

While this concept has grown in popularity, there is nothing biblical about this practice. Those who believe in angel numbers believe that once you see your angel number, you have found your angelic or spirit guide.

With one's spirit guide, the New Age teaches that the spirit or angelic guide will help the individual through any sort of trouble, whether emotional, spiritual, or physical. Spirit guides are also seen within the religion of Hinduism. Spirit guides or angelic guides are not biblical.

We are never told in the Bible that God gives us a "spirit guide" or an "angelic guide." Rather, we are told that at the moment of salvation, we are given the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the one who guides, instructs, and helps us.

Jesus tells us, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you" ( John 14:26). The Holy Spirit and God's Word is our guide - not some kind of spirit or angelic guide.

See part 2.

MaxM, a problem guys like you and I face is that we often reach out to Christians, hoping to find someone who will affirm our sinful inclinations or lifestyle. We're not to do that. Psalm 1:1 says, "Blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly..." He is cursed if he does.

Too often, people who call themselves "Christians" are NOT Christ-followers. Many have never studied the Word of God from cover to cover, getting to know Gods heart. I have. Sadly, with love and concern, they wrongly counsel others, based upon their feelings and opinions. We must abide by God's laws, which are clearly against such practices: Leviticus 18: 20, 29; 20: 13; I Cor. 6: 9-11; Rev. 21: 27.

I've been struggling with same sex attraction for well over 50 years. I was molested from the age of 4-16; homosexuality was my mindset. I married (a smokescreen); before divorce ensued, I brought two daughters into the world. I've been a born again Christian for almost 57 years, but my struggle with this issue has been that long. Many times, I BEGGED God to take the desire from me. He hasn't; He says, "My grace is sufficient for you, just as it was with Paul."

Grace is not a license to commit sin; it is the bridge that keeps us connected to Him via obedience to Him.

So, what are we to do? Celibacy or marriage to a woman my friend. We cannot serve the flesh and Christ also; it doesn't work. See John 14: 15, 21-23. Paul said, "...It is good for them if they abide even as I" (celibate). But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." I Cor. 7: 8, 9

Marriage is not for everybody; sex is, but we must control our passions ( Gal. 5: 22, 23). Is A FEW MINUTES of pleasure worth eternity in Hell? God sees our sacrifice; if we obey Him, He will reward us accordingly. Born again Christians are to "Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Ja. 4: 7;1:12. We can't love Christ and sin too. Not much time left; choose wisely!

Here are some scriptures I hope help you: James 1:5, Romans 10:17, John 14:26, 1John 2:27, Psalms 34:11,

Son of GOD, please read : John 3:16, Luke 1 & 2, John 17,

John 5:30, John 10:17, John 14:23, John 16:27,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18,19, 1John 2:26,27, Colossians 2:8,

Hopefully helpful

Hi David, I was wondering how you would explain that and reconcile what the Bible says with your belief.

These verses are in context and contradict what you are claiming, but even though they're in context and you just click or hover over it to read the whole chapter or book you just dismissed it as not being in context.

I noticed your response didn't have any Bible verses supporting your view.

I believe in and stand by Jesus's words. It sounds like you're accusing Jesus of being about "works." You do so at your own risk. I will not be ashamed for believing in what Jesus says, even if people use all kinds of tricks to attack.

Jesus: "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15

You: No, don't obey, because that's works.

Is that really your position that it's "bad" to obey Jesus, and "good" to not obey Jesus?

If so, that sounds exactly like something satan would say. Such a clever deception to get people to believe its somehow bad to do good and good to do bad. As if God wants people to disobey Him!?

Also I noticed you used the same straw man argument everyone else has been taught to use that if you want to follow Jesus then automatically you're trying to work towards heaven and there's no other possibility. I already said we're saved by grace, which seemed to be ignored. Of course I already answered this fallacy in advance, but maybe you didn't read it or did and claimed this fallacy anyway. Anyway, I feel a moral obligation to counter the lies on here and anyone claiming that its bad to follow and bad to obey Jesus is just is not speaking the truth. The Bible warns Christians of this throughout scripture.

Matthew 7:21-23

Hebrews 10:26

Hebrews 6:4-6

James 2:14-26

Matthew 12:31-32

Romans 14:12

1 Peter 1:5

1 Cor 9:24-27

2 Peter 3:17

Luke 8:5-18

1 Timothy 4:1

2 Peter 2:20-22

Hebrews 3:12

Galatians 5:4

1 Corinthians 15:2-8

Ok, I don't share that particular belief with you because of what the Bible says:

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

Gal 5:4 "ye are fallen from grace."

Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12 KJV

"Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." 2 Timothy 2:10 KJV

Salvation is conditional upon following Christ. Those who hate or don't follow Christ aren't going to be saved, based on what the Bible says.

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Matthew 7:21-23

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

I don't know how some can read these verses and twist them into meaning anything other than what they mean. This should be prayed about very deeply.

God bless.

John 17, John 1, John 3:16, John 14:10

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 1:21-25 kjv, John 1:14kjv, John 8:58 kjv,

Hebrews 13:8 kjv , John 14:6 kjv, Philippians 2:5-11 kjv.

John 14:23

"Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, WHOM JESUS LOVED"

John 19:26

"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, WHOM HE LOVED, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!"

John 21:7

"Therefore that disciple WHOM JESUS LOVED saith unto Peter, It is the Lord ..."

Did Jesus love only John? No, not only him, He loves all people.

Did He love John more than the others? It doesn't say that.

But John really understood that Jesus loves him, for God Love is. Do you?

Hey Bulletpencil,

My understanding, Jesus coming, the Messiah/Christ was not a secret, Daniel 9:25 prophesied when He would come. Jesus came to fulfill the prophets and the law, and when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, and Jesus was filled without measure, John 3:34.

John the Baptist proclaimed it, John 1:34 and His disciples did as well, John 1:41 Jesus told the woman at the well He was the Messiah, John 25:25-26 and Martha John 11:27. It was confirmed by all the miracles Jesus did by the Spirit of God, Matt. 12:28 the kingdom of God has come, but the death and resurrection were, at that time a secret/mystery, Rom. 11:25.

The kingdom of God has come, John said it was at hand, Matt. 3:1-2. After John was put in prison Jesus came preaching Mark 1:14-15. The mystery of the kingdom; they were looking for the stone to crush Rome and the kingdom would be set up then Daniel 2:44, but it was like the parables of the mustard seed and the yeast Matt. 13, increasing even today until the crushing blow at Jesus second coming.



The disciples knew Jesus was the Messiah/Christ, so I am sure that was part of their preaching, but Jesus' death and resurrection were hidden even from the disciples Luke 9:45. We see how they fled when Jesus was arrested, Matt. 26:56, and they did not believe He resurrected Mark 16:10-11 Luke 23:10-11 it was hidden from them for if Satan had known the results, he would have tried to stop it.

Jesus spoke mainly to the Pharisees and Sadducees in parables to fulfill the prophecy, Matt. 13:10-15 Mark 4:10-13 Luke 8:10. The mystery was not revealed until after Jesus was resurrected as Jesus told them the Holy Spirit would bring remembrance and teaching to them John 14:26 John 16:3-4 Romans 11:25 Romans 16:25 the promise to Abraham Genesis 17:4-7 and that seed was Jesus the Messiah/Christ.

This is my understanding may someone else have another, pray and study for your understanding.

God bless,

RLW

"The art of losing myself in bringing you praise." This lyric from Phillips Craig and Dean's song "From the Inside Out" truly shows a Biblical world view. The whole song is worthy of a good listen as well as the music itself.

We think of such a mindset when we are "in love" with someone. I hesitate to use that terminology with our Agape love toward God because it tends to reduce God to a sappy view and reduce His other attributes. Our surrender; nonetheless is based on such love and also TRUST. A wife won't be submissive to her husband voluntarily unless she sees that he is a person of a worthy character; and in a large part that has to do with a Biblical foundation and also trusting that the One who created us knows what He's talking about. The designer of the universe designed us to function in a certain way; and since the fall we can see how successful man is at doing things his own way. We see that even the animal kingdom has become violent and in fact in the situation in Rwanda back in the 1990s even the apes in the jungle violently destroyed a resort after witnessing the bloodbath the competing tribes were giving each other at the time of the horrible massacre when even the surrounding waters became filled with blood.

In reality if we are truly Born Again we ARE dead to self after the Spirit enters in. This also is well expounded on in the lyrics of this song as God truly does housecleaning within and takes up residence along with the Father. ( John 14:23). Satan loves to double down on us at that point attempting to convince us that we are missing out on something the world has to offer; and consequently trying to convince us that abstaining from these things is keeping us from our "blessing". Thus; many are drawn and enticed by illicit relationships; easy money and other temptations rather than trusting God that "all these things will be added unto you." ( Matt. 6:33). As the verse of the day shows we can't serve both God and money.