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Brother Earl. Yes, I can agree that Jesus, as the Son of God, had left aside the Glory which He had before ( John 17:5) & was subject to the Father, even for the Works He had to do on Earth. What is concerning to Thas, is why Jesus had not the knowledge of the time of His second appearing, yet showing the other attributes of the Godhead, by His miracles, His knowledge of the thoughts of people, etc. It's difficult to offer an good answer, except as you said, that Jesus "was given (knowledge only) as it is required". Yet, I would have great difficulty in interpreting "the Son" to refer to Israel, as shared by another, as the verses & context given don't compel us to use any other meaning.

Brother Chris, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT .....

Christ, (which is, and which was, and which is to come Revelation 1:8); IS, the ONLY ONE BODY. The VESSEL of the ONLY ONE SPIRIT. We (the firstfruits of SPIRIT)( 1 Corinthians 15:23)( Romans 8:23) become the BODY OF CHRIST ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( 1 Corinthians 15:52-55).

The SPIRIT (the source of POWER) provides ALL, the BODY does all the LABOUR. Christ has everything needed at his disposal at all times; but the SPIRIT ONLY releases it (the power)to THE BODY at the given moment it is required. I am not saying that Christ IS NOT GOD, because HE IS; it takes both (faith and labour)( James 2:17) to be GOD, SPIRIT (the SOURCE) and THE BODY (the LABOUR).

Everything is done by SPIRIT (the WORKS of the FATHER) THROUGH (the labour) of the SON.

Christ emptied HIMSELF of the Father's glory ( John 17:5) that he had with him since the beginning, and became sinful flesh, to be destroyed.

He does't know in advance the second coming, because he is given what is required, as it is required ( John 5:19)( John 5:30), just as we are ( John 15:5). We are being created like him A VESSEL OF THE SPIRIT ( Revelation 10:11).

1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be SUBJECTED to him, then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be SUBJECT to him (the source of power) that put all things under him that GOD (Spirit, Truth, Life) may be ALL IN ALL.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that IS NOT PUT under him, But we see NOT YET (but we will see; at the resurrection of the dead) ALL THINGS put under him.

Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS ( John 17:21) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau (the world); and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

Isaiah 26:9 ....when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Hello Thas. No, Jesus didn't lie when He said that only His Father knew of the time of His second appearing. Even though the Word doesn't specifically talk about this subject, i.e. how could a Divine Being come to Earth & not have all His Divine Powers still in His possession, the Scriptures do amply show us of Jesus' Divinity ( John 1:1-14; John 17:4,5; John 6:38 & many more) & Jesus' Mission on Earth ( Matthew 20:28; John 3:16; etc.).

However, Philippians 2:5-8 gives us vital information: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." The key word here (for the purposes of your question), is "reputation". In the original Greek, this word is "ekenosen" (from the word, kenosis), which means 'to empty'. So, if Jesus made "Himself of no reputation", the meaning is that 'He emptied Himself' of what He had in His Deity, for the sake of becoming a man, indeed, one of 'servitude' to both God & man, so as to die on a Cross.

We know that Jesus continued to have Divine Powers (of healing, raising the dead, knowing the thoughts of others, etc.), but there were also certain limitations that He placed on Himself while He was in the flesh on Earth and to be in subjection to His Father (by virtue of His Humanity). The one you quoted is a good example, as also Mark 5:25-32; Luke 4:1 (led of the Spirit). We can then understand that Jesus' coming was also to reveal the Glory of God ( John 1:18) & that to do so, His Own Glory had to be veiled. Therefore, we cannot know why Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming to Earth, except to understand that in His Humanity this knowledge was kept aside - but in Heaven now, He has all His Divine Attributes restored.

Brother Larry, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Knowing ( Matthew 13:11) God (God is TRUTH) is all that matters.

God is LIFE, we are the vessel (pot) that HOLDS that LIFE.

YOU (sinful flesh) DIED on the CROSS, with CHRIST, YOU (the new creation of CHRIST's resurrection) will never DIE AGAIN ( Luke 22:35-36).

The vessel (our body of flesh will return to dust, at the harvesting of the new (SPIRIT) man), the new man (CHRIST IN YOU) will BECOME ONE (be married) to CHRIST.

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY (CHRIST), and ONE SPIRIT (the FATHER) ( John 17:21).

What CHRIST has always been, the SON of GOD, you will be.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God (created by the birth of truth and life) and all these things (comforts of life) will be added to you ( 1 Corinthians 4:7).

Brother Sonny, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Most people are taught by the traditions of man, very few study themselves and let the Spirit reveal the truth to them.

Romans 8:20 For the CREATURE (CREATION) was made SUBJECT TO VANITY (evil), not WILLINGLY, but by REASON of him who hath SUBJECTED the same (creation) in HOPE. (Becoming ONE with their CREATOR).

Ponder on the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

That knowledge exist TOGETHER, you can't have the KNOWLEDGE of good without also having the KNOWLEDGE of evil.

After partaking of this KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, God said, behold they (creation) have become like one of us to KNOW good and evil.

This KNOWLEDGE is necessary to become LIKE GOD.

John 17:21 That they (creation) ALL may BE ONE; as thou Father, art ONE IN ME, and I IN THEE, that thou also may be ONE IN US: that the world MAY BELIEVE that thou has SENT ME.

Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4) proceeded lighting, and thunder and voices: BURNING ( Isaiah 4:4) before the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4), which (lighting, thunder, voices) ARE the SEVEN Spirits of God (now in you).

Isaiah 11:2 And the (first is the) SPIRIT of the LORD (Father) shall rest upon him (Christ (in you)), the (second) spirit of WISDOM, and (the third spirit of) UNDERSTANDING, the (forth) spirit of COUNSEL and (the fifth spirit of) MIGHT, the (sixth) spirit of KNOWLEDGE and (the seventh spirit) of the FEAR of the Lord.

When we no longer have to SUFFER IN THE FLESH we will BE ONE WITH THE FATHER AND SON.

To Teresa: Romans 7:24; Job 14:14

1 Corinthians 15:22 says For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

( Genesis 3; John 3:16,17;5:28,29; John 17:3)

Resurrected to earth: ( 2 Peter 3:13)

Psalm 37:9-11,29,34;

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

or

Resurrected to heaven: ( Revelation 20)

Revelation 14:3 (144,000); Matthew 7:21

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

hope this helps, Thanks

Come get everlasting life! Read, learn, and pray to apply!

John 17:3

And this is life eternal (everlasting), that they might know thee (you) the only true God (* Psalm 83:18), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast (you have) sent. ( Luke 1:30-35; Matthew 1:21-24; John 5:19; John 17:5)

*In the King James translation:

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. ( John 4:24; Exodus 6:2,3)

Revelation was written and represented in signs. meaning using people, persons (Warning examples of wicked people and their actions) to describe the message. for example, according to Revelations 6:1-8:

1.The Red Horse: Peace taken from the earth.. They will slaughter one another (Civil wars, the deadly war WWI & WWII etc.)

2. The Black Horse: (Famine The Great depression etc.)

3. The pale Horse: Deadly plague...The Grave/Death ( 1918 influenza pandemic, HIV, Flu, Common cold,

Covid-19,Delta variant etc.)

Why is the world in critical condition?

Satan was hurled down from heaven and is misleading nations rulers and kings:

1 John 5:19; Genesis 3; Genesis chapter 6 and 9;

Luke and Matthew 4; Ephesians 6:11-13; Revelation 12:7-12;

2 Corinthians 4:4

What is the result of Satan the devil's influence:

2 Timothy 3:1-7

Matthew 24

1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Ephesians 5:5

What will Jesus do since his father gave him all authority?

( Matthew 24:14;28:18-20)

1. Revelation 11:15;20 Chapter

2. Revelation 11:18

3. John 5:28,29; Revelation 21:3-5;22 Chapter

Who is law for?

1 Timothy 1:8-10

2 Timothy 3:16,17

john 17:3

Hi Belinda. That's a good question as there are a few interpretations to that passage. Considering that Jesus wanted unbelieving Thomas to touch Him so that he would no longer doubt ( John 17:27,28), it seems strange that Jesus forbad Mary to do so. The best reason for this that I can give, is that Jesus perceived that Mary's desire to touch Him was going to be a lengthy time of adoration & worship (as the Greek word for 'touch' also has 'holding onto' as another meaning). And Jesus didn't want her to give Him that worship now, rather, that she should hastily go to His disciples & tell them what she had heard & seen (i.e. He had arisen from the dead & in preparation for His ascension). Time was short & His disciples had to be told & to expect to see Him shortly.

Hopefully, you may receive other understandings of this passage as I don't confess to have the right answer - only my sense of that time of resurrection from the grave.

Amen and amen, brother alex. we are the promised israel. christ duplicated (when we depart this body of flesh and put on his body.

ephesians 4: there is one body, and one spirit .....

1 timothy 6:16 who only hath immortality .....

john 17:21 that they all may be one; as thou, father, art in me, and i in thee, that they may be one in us: that the world made believe that thou hast sent me.

" Little children,ye are on this world but not of this world." Who are they? Those who refused to received the mark of the beast.( revelation 13:17).,They are unique..in almighty god's side.( exodus 33:16, john 15:19, john 17:14-16.)If someone says that he/she is one among them but a disciple of any religious,political,or commercial organization which he/she devotes his/her time,strenght,talent and money for the benefits and interest of his/her organization,how come he/she is no part of this world? Religious (church)Political( nation),and Commercial(cartel) are the 3 systems that forcibly introduced or marked in heart and mind of the majority of people around the world and only those who are no part of this world refuses to be a disciple of any religious,political or commercial organization that patronizes(buy)and campaigning to patronizes(sell) ,traditions,customs,occassions laws,wars,economy,arts,science and technology and at this our time of global pandemic,only those who are no part of this world refuses to go into covid 19 vaccination sites.( 2 chronicles 16:12) i wish you are one of them.(romans11:4)

Hi Ron. Actually, I don't believe I've made an assumption. To call a person, "God", must bring on the sternest rebuke if spoken in error. Thomas should have been corrected about that erroneous statement & the matter should not have slipped by; rather, the Lord recognized that faith had come to Thomas only because of his present (visual) witness of Jesus, rather than simply believing what He had earlier spoken about His death & resurrection ( Matthew 16:21).

In Matthew 22:41-46: Christ baffled the Pharisees when he asked them what thoughts they had of the promised Messiah. How could the Christ possibly be the Son of David and yet be his Lord? Jesus quotes Ps 110:1. If the Messiah was to be a mere man (even if it was a very special creation unlike any other), & who would not exist till many ages after King David's death, how could His forefather (David) call him Lord? The Pharisees could give no answer.

Nor can anyone solve the difficulty except he allows the Messiah to be the Son of God, & David's Lord be equally with the Father. He took upon himself human nature, and so became God manifested in the flesh; in this sense he is both the Son of Man and the Son of David. This compels us to ask, 'what think we of Christ?' Is He altogether glorious in our eyes, and precious to our hearts? When Jesus said, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE before the world was" ( John 17:5), was Jesus deceiving His disciples & us with an incredible prayer & giving rise to suspicion? Or, was He now expectantly looking towards that Glory that He had set aside to become man for the sake of our redeeming men's evil hearts & minds?

Sister Barbara, it's a prophesy, look at the wheel within a wheel in the same context as:

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou has sent me.

Brother Carleton:

I BELIEVE that Jesus did MAKE A CHOICE; BUT:

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (SPIRIT) that WORKETH IN YOU (in Christ, also) Both TO WILL and TO DO of his (the SPIRIT'S) good pleasure.

John 5:30 I can or MYSELF DO NOTHING: as I hear (the SPIRIT), I judge (by the SPIRIT), and my judgement (by the SPIRIT) is just; because I seek not my own will, but THE WILL of the Father (SPIRIT) which hath SENT ME.

John 10:18 No man taketh IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) from me, but I lay IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) down of myself (I can of myself do nothing). I have power (by the SPIRIT) to take IT (LIFE by SPIRIT) again. This commandment ( John 15:10) have I received of my Father.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, into thy hands (God; SPIRIT) I commend my (the Father's) SPIRIT ( Ephesians 4:4 there is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT......)( John 17:21)

Remember the bible is the words of CHRIST (the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit).

Psalms 56:11 IN GOD (SPIRIT) have I (the SON) put my trust: I (the Son) will not be afraid of what man can do to me.

Jesus gave his body of flesh for us, so we are able to never see DEATH; because SPIRIT NEVER DIES.

You MUST be born of the SPIRIT (TRUTH).

Theresa Haggerty, Again I profess not to be a scholar but I am a born again believer and have been filled with His spirit since at a tender age of 9yrs old. To better understand vs 23 we have to look at the whole conversation between the woman and Jesus but time would not permit me to give you a dissertation on it. Lets focus on what Jesus said not only in vs23 but also in vs24. Two things we need to be true worshippers, spirit and truth, but not just any spirit or any truth a true spirit and a true truth or doctrine. So how do I get this true spirit? David said it this way in Ps.51:10 create in me a clean heart oh Lord and renew a right spirit within me. It's a continuous process. Look at these scriptures John 14:14-18 and Eph.4 I strongly suggest you read entire chapters to put these scriptures in the right context. This is going to open up to more questions but bear with me. Lets look at truth. What is truth? Pilate asked the same thing and Jesus said I am. He is the way, the truth and life John 14:6, also He said Thy word is truth in John 17:17. How do I worship in truth? You obey is word, the Bible. We can not have a true spirit if we are not living up to His word and we can not have true doctrine with out a true spirit. Hope this helped. In Christ, Gerald.

AG Peterson The person playing with a full deck is Jesus Christ all others are cheating, and the only way to know Him is through Gods Word, He is the True Shepherd, John 10:9+10 The thief cometh not but for to steal and to kill and to destroy I am come that they might have life and have it more abundantly. In Gospel of John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy word, thy word is truth. There's no other source for truth Gods Word makes known Christ. God Bless

Amen and Amen, Brother Alex!

It is so hard for those who have not yet completely died (first death) to Christ to COMPREHEND that they are going to be EXACTLY like Christ.

When wheat seed is planted, the farmer ALWAYS harvest wheat seed. It's ALWAYS an exact copy of the seed planted.

This is TRUE of all seed planted including the WORD OF GOD.

Luke 8:11 The parable is this: the SEED is the Word of GOD.

This SEED; planted in us, will produce SEED EXACTLY like the SEED planted.

We become the living word, just as Christ is the living SEED (WORD).

At the death of this body of flesh, Jesus will send the angels to reap the harvest (SEED).

Ephesians 4:13 Til WE ALL come into the UNITY of the faith, and knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the FULLNESS of Christ.

Christ is the FULLNESS of the FATHER, we WILL BE the FULLNESS of Christ.

John 17:21 That they ALL may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may BELIEVE that thou hast SENT ME.

You are going to be GODS!

And Jesus went to the Cross, to give the Holy Spirit to us.

Who he is and what the Holy Spirits ministry is for us. John 17:7-24

This means we can have a very close relationship with the Holy Spirit. He teaches us everything we know about Jesus. He is the Spirit of Christ.

Anything you want to understand about Jesus__is the Holy Spirits task to teach all of us. When the weight of the world crushes us; it's the Holy Spirit who Comforts us; until that moment passes. If we stray from Jesus, it is the Holy Spirit who is calling us to return to Jesus.

HE IS YOURS FOREVER. He will never leave you.

Let us all be conscious of His Presence within us.

Our bodies and our minds are His Temple.

I found that He is very apt to join with us, in spirit, when we sing and praise the Lord.

This is why Jesus told us not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit; Grieve Him or curse Him. The Holy Spirit is the 3rd member of the Godhead. ( Romans 1). He is precious. Pray WITH Him.

Your everyday life will explode and blossom with JOY. The angels hearken to praise and prayer. Wicked spirits will not hang around that kind of happiness. They will flee.

If you need help reading the Bible, a certain scripture; ASK the Holy Spirit to teach it to you.

Mishael

Sister Laura, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

To understand the Father, the Son Jesus and the the rest of us (sons and daughters) you have to understand SEED and how it MULTIPLIES ITSELF.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The SEED is the WORD of God.

The Father is the WORD; therefore, the Father is ALSO the SEED.

When you place a SEED in fertile soil the SEED sprouts (a body). That growing sprout (body) looks nothing like the SEED planted; but when that SEED matures, the sprout (body) dies and the SEED is harvested. This harvested SEED is EXACTLY like the SEED that was planted.

The FIRST SEED was the FATHER, the FIRST SEED that came from the FATHER (SEED) was CHRIST. NOW there are TWO SEED; but the TWO are EXACTLY ALIKE (ONE), there are one in the sense that when that SEED is planted again in fertile soil it will bring forth SEED EXACTLY like the SEED planted.

GOD, the FATHER, the WORD, The SEED was FIRST BEGOTTEN in Christ; therefore, Christ became a SEED. He became the fullness: God, the FATHER,the WORD, the SEED.

When this SEED (Christ in you) is mature and HARVESTED at death of the body, the you become a SEED EXACTLY like THE FATHER and CHRIST.

John 17:21 That they all may be ONE (SEED); as thou Father, are in me, and I in thee, that they ALSO may be one (SEED), even as we are one (SEED).

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God (SEED) giveth it (SEED) a body as it has pleased him, and to every SEED his (SEED) own body.

You are going to be EXACTLY like CHRIST and ready to be planted in fertile ground and bring forth more SEED.

Isaiah 59:21 And as for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I HAVE PUT in your mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.

We can not began to comprehend the glory awaiting us.

Hi Brother Earl.

I believe you gave us a view of the trinity. Gen. 1:1.In the beginning "El-o-heem'" created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2.And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the "SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 1:3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Now I'm not sure if you're saying Jesus was created in verse 3 or not but we are sure it's not so according to these verses.

( ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.)

In him was life; AND THE "LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN."

Colossians 1:16-17. For by him were all things created, that are in HEAVEN, and that are in earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be THROWNS, or DOMINIONS, or PRINCIPALITIES, or POWERS: (all things were created by him, and for him:)

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

"Point here is we see Angels created here as well!!

And in Job 38:4-7. The Angels shouted for joy when Jesus created the Earth.

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

John 17:5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me WITH THINE OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

Now we know he didn't come in the 4th Day!

Gen 1:16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. THE SUN. "Also created!" You see a contrast of that light and the light of Jesus in

Revelation 21:23. and Revelation 22:5.

Revelation 3:14. Means in the sense Jesus is the origin and source of Gods creation. Colossians 1:15-18. and head of the new creation. 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God bles

The final casting out did not occur until after the birth of Christ ( Rev. 12:1-5) and during the days of John the Baptist ( Matt. 11:12). It was then that the adversary began a civil war in heaven, and following his defeat there was a final casting out along with his followers ( Luke 10:18; Rev. 12:7-9); and he is in a state of rage because he knows he will be shortly bound in the bottomless pit ( Rev. 20:1). The restraints upon him during the Old Testament are no longer in place. However, the elect are protected because of the specific prayer request of Christ in John 17:18.

May GOD bless!

MYSTERY BABYLON, THE MOTHERS OF HARLOTS

May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

John wrote these words 1900 hundred years ago. It could be another 2000 years or more until the second resurrection, NO ONE KNOWS. These words have to have the same meaning to all who read them; whatever time (1900 years ago or 2000 years from now) they themselves are in.

Babylon REPRESENTS something, it is not literal.

Judah was taken into captivity by Babylon because they LOVED the world more than they loved God.

It is no different TODAY we LOVE the world more than we love God.

We (creation) are a HARLOT OF BABYLON because we have left our FIRST LOVE (our husband, Christ) and dote on the things of the world.

We to are a captive of Babylon.

Jesus came to set the CAPTIVES free (liberty in Christ).

Revelation 18:4 And I heard a voice in heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, my people....

Come back to your HUSBAND. Become ONE.

You must DIE (first death) to the world, you must give YOUR LIFE for CHRIST as he gave HIS LIFE FOR YOU.

Colossians 1:27 ... mystery of the ages.... CHRIST (who ONLY hath immortality) IN YOU, the hope of glory.

Philippians 2:5 Let THIS MINE be in you, which was also IN CHRIST JESUS:

Philippians 2:6 Who being in the form (image) of GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD.

Christ and the Father are ONE.

John 17:21 That they ALL BE ONE, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE IN US: that the world MAY BELIEVE that thou has sent me.

Jesus told Judah (his chosen) that they would DIE in Babylon.

Paul said, I DIE DAILY.

ARE YOU ON YOUR DEATH BED?

"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

"They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." - John 17:15-17

"When the temporary becomes a higher priority for us than the eternal we have lost our way and in so doing we lose the many blessings that God wants to shower upon us." --Lynn Cooper

Sister Denise.

1 John 2:15-17. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

John 15:18-19. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 17:14-16. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Peter 3:10.

Sister Denise thank God for Jesus who will redeem us who believe in him and his work on the cross from the destruction that come upon all the Earth.

God bless.

Greetings in the Name of Christ! You are perfectly correct. Every human being is born spiritually dead, in that he is disconnected from God because of an inherent sin nature ( 1 Cor. 15:22). God is the only source of life. Therefore, one is considered to be unplugged from God and spiritually dead until he is born again and plugged in ( John 17:3). He is then quickened and made alive. Jesus used a personal pronoun "their" when describing the dead because, until one is born again, he is merely a product a procreation, and belongs to the current world system. God bless and take care.

This John 17 : 5 is telling us that Christ is gonna be Glorfied and he says his Glorfication is the very Glorification of God the Father . Glorify thou me with thine own self, Even with the Glory I had with you before the world was, Remember he died for the whole world. and the script. says the H.G. is the Glorfication of Christ simply b/c the H.G. was not yet given b/c that Christ was not yet Glorfied thus the multiplication of Christ is the multiplication of very God, Thats y he says to whom the word came ( his seed the living word ) it made them Gods . And that is y the scripture is saying the very Father swore by his very self when he made that PROMISE OF MULTIPLICATION OF Christ, when the sower of that Good Seed ( when the book is opened that is when the sower will go forth to sow his seed thus the H.G. will be given , thats y the woman is given Birth which is the H.G. A SPRITUAL CHILD, That which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit thus he will Glorfy/Multiply the Father ,as the H.G. is the Glorfication of God the FATHER. His prayer was Glorify thou me with thine own self etc and the womans child is another Father a baby God ,to whom the Word came it made them Gods . Thats ye he was praying GLORIFY me that I might Glorify you . See his multiplication VIA HIS SEED is the multiplication of VERY GOD IN US. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a little Child this implies a heavenly birth of Christ in US. The Father said i have Gloried it and i will Glory it again, there has been an intermission of 2 k yrs. 2 DAYS. It was glorIfied a bit at Pentecost but they ran outta of that 1 st wine the H.G. wine and we will receive that 2 nd wine on the 3 rd day the day of the marriage .At the wedding they received the best Wine the 3 rd day., Ya remember the wedding CHIEF said You have kept the best Wine for last. As Paul said when that which is perfect is come that which is done in part will be done away with.

The"Day" in Genesis 1:5(1:4+1:5)[14th Day and 15thDay of Passover] is capitalized.The word "Day",is a noun.When a noun is capitalized,it becomes a personalized noun.This"Day" is an Personalized Day.This is God's Personalized Day.It is "that Day".It is The Day of The Lord. Genesis 1:3 is not talking about day (as in sunlight),but,rather,the commission of the Gospel,to be sent("there"[Let there(the waters Rev.17:15)be light.The evening and the morning of the Day of the Lord is bumped up into every day of our lives(2cor.6:2[selfsame day]),that we may "know therefore this day(Day),and consider it in our heart".It's really ALL about JESUS!!!!!!+!See these verses(from KJV study bible). [ Gen 1:2;IS 40:13; Rom 11:34; Jer 23:18; Jer 23:22; Jer 25:5;IS 55:6; 2Cor 6:2]Also,[ Gen 1:1; John 1:1; 1John 5:20; John 17:3; 1Cor 11:4; Deut 4:35; Deut 4:39]Would you like to know more?

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US (plural) make man in OUR (not my) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as WE are one:

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

(31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his name JESUS.

(32) He shall be great, and shall be called the SON of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father (not Joseph) honour. (27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is NOT MINE to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.

Brother Mitchell, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

When you came to the understanding that WE CAN DO NOTHING; but, Christ does all things for us. You will BE SET FREE.

You want have to achieve the hope set before you, Christ started it. he will complete it. In fact; Christ sees it as already COMPLETE. This is what is meant by coming INTO HIS REST; the works were completed before the foundations of the world were laid.

Ephesians 1:4

Hebrews 4:3

John 15:5

Psalms 92:4-6

YOU ARE DEAD (on your cross); He is alive on HIS THRONE (in you) living HIS life FOR YOU.

YOU have become ONE WITH CHRIST.

John 17:21

Luke 14:27

Matthew 10:38

Luke 9:23

We are THE POT he is THE POTTER.

(Part 2)

Jesus Himself said in John 6:37, "All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and the one coming to me I will NEVER CAST OUT." Jesus goes on to say in John 6:39, "And this is the will of the Father who has sent me, in order that of all which he has given to me I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up in the last day." If you read John 17:11-12, you see that we are kept by God's power.

I firmly believe in the permanency of salvation because the Bible teaches that God is the One who saves and He does so from out of His mercy. Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8 that grace, faith, and salvation are gifted from God.

In 1 John Chapter 5 Verse 18, John says "We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin; but the one who has been born from God, God IS KEEPING him, and the evil one does not touch him." John also says in John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear my voice and I know them; and they follow me. And I give to them eternal life; and they will NEVER PERISH FOREVER and not anyone will seize them from out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to seize them from out of the hand of my Father."

Paul emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit. He says in Ephesians 1:13-14, "In whom also after having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, after having believed, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance, for redemption of the possession, for the praise of His glory."

Paul says again in Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION."

(One more post to come)