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Why do people call them self Christian but use the word of God to wish harm upon a person?

Why do people who call them self Christian rejoice in evil upon the innocent?

Why do people who call themselves Christians rejoice in evil towards other Christians

As Christians we believe in the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, which is impossible to understand with our finite minds,

I believe one needs to read the first chapter of John (where he calls Jesus the Word) and also 1 John chapters 4 and 5 we may have a better understanding of the Trinity

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

1 John 5:5

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

God the father almighty alone , gave Jesus his lordship and highest position that is still in subjection the Father , yet Jesus is lord and king above all others . So Jesus is First in The fathers house . But the Father is still Lord over Jesus .

It's the father Son relationship.

So simple yet men can't get it , it seems .

Yes over 40 times Jesus is called the Son of God .

So simple a child can understand .

A child or first Son is first in his fathers house is equal and has all privileges. But he is the Son not the father .

Case closed .

Paul also said let this mind be in you as it was in Christ so you claim to be God ?

In God and receiving the benefits is one thing , Actually Being God is quite another .

Even the devils know there is one God , this is elementary stuff .

Hello Bob,

What would you say about these Scriptures:

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

A couple other translations of Philippians 2:6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.

As the KJV is the best translation from the Greek. Most others hack it up.

God Bless.

Is there anything in the King James bible about politics or dems and rep

You are correct, that there was no requirement for Jesus to be baptized, whether required by Jewish Law or for any need of repentance. As Jesus said, that this act of His was to "fulfil all righteousness, for both of them" ( Matthew 3:15).

By this statement of Jesus, I understand that Jesus identified with John the Baptist, in his specific calling as a prophet & ministry of being the "voice in the wilderness, crying, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." This gave a Divine & public testimony to John, as much as it was confusing to him that rather he should be the baptizee.

Also, this occasion was for the inauguration of Jesus' Ministry, where the Godhead (the Trinity) was involved in the affirmation of the ministry & the empowerment to do so. So we find that the Father gave His Approval (verse 17) & the Spirit came specifically upon Him in a public 'testimony' manner (verse 16), thereby giving the Divine Declaration that this is indeed the Holy One from God, Who through His Sacrifice will accomplish much more than John could ever do, even to the 'spiritual' baptizing with the "Holy Ghost & with fire"; Who will also be their Judge, "thoroughly purge(ing) his floor, and gather(ing) his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (vv 11,12).

So, we see that this was not the usual baptism that John was giving to others: sinners demonstrating their sinful condition & need for cleansing. This was done to accomplish & publicly testify to Jesus' higher Calling: you can call it 'Jesus' inauguration service', just as those in the early Church were commended to service & even today, as the elders of a Fellowship lay hands upon & commend those going out to serve the Lord in full-time service.

To fulfil the Law. Our LORD kept all commandments. JESUS is the way. We follow in the way. We Follow JESUS. because He was baptised in Water...so must we be baptised in water for the remission of sin . Love and Peace be with you always

What was the purpose of Christ's baptism? I know Jesus said it was to

fulfill righteousness, but I still don't understand since John's baptized unto repentance. Jesus was sinless with no need for repentance. Thank you.

Well at least you recognize that the Lord God almighty gave Jesus these authorities etc . That's good .

I for one never except error .

That's like excepting another's sin .

The proof is all in the scriptures. But I think many sleep while reading them . They strain at an obscure verse and neglect the theme of Scriptures.

That's the best you can do ?

Keep reading I will pray for you !

Hello Bob,

That is correct. I don't have a problem with people saying Jesus is God.

If you do then that's your issue. As my post was only to make peace. I do not call Jesus Christ the Father. Lots of other people do though so it's them you quarrel with I guess. I say the Father is in Jesus Christ and He in the Father. Just as our Lord states in John 14:10.

Yes the Father has authority over all. But you seem to put Jesus Christ on our level? God our Father has given all His authority to His Son Jesus Christ. He has all the power of the Father. You said to someone else "I agree that Jesus and the Father are One". How you interpret that is up to you.

Jesus Christ is the exact representation of the Father. As in Hebrews 1:2-3. God our Father is Spirit not human.

Yes I also would say Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father. I would also say the Father has given Him a throne also. Matthew 28:18, Matthew 25:31, Revelation 3:21

A couple verses showing the Oneness of God and Christ. Revelation 5:13, Revelation 22:1, Revelation 22:3

God Bless you.

Hebrews 1 V 8 KJV The Scripture says unto the Son thy Throne O GOD is Forever and ever and a sceotre of righteousness is the sceptre is THY KINGDOM , THIS IS PLAINLY CALLING CHRIST GOD THE SON, When ya say that Christ is not God the son you are in essence saying that GOD NEVA HAD AN ABSOLUTE SON, how sick is that ? Jesus had to be God the son simply b/c mans blood cd neva atone for the sins of the world, He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world then here comes these devils making all these derogatory remarks about his deity they don't realize that if he were not God his body and blood wd be no atonement for the sins of the world,mans blood cd neva atone as jesus said outa of the hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil. Thats y John was preaching behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world . Then there is that hidden facet to the cross which is multiplication of very God in humanity via the seed of Christ , He said smite the shephard ( his death ) then the sheep will be scattered then I will turn my hand to the little ones which are the babes and sucklings that are baby Christs that are gonna a be born in US via his seed, which are the Children of PROMISE THE LITTLE ONES . Whosover receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth ME. see the multiplication via his seed the living words of God the Promise CHILDREN OUR NEW BIRTH ETC. Our fruit unto God. His CHILDREN ARE GODS THAT ARE GONNA BE BORN IN US WHICH ARE SPIRITS THE ISRAEL OF GOD. REMEMBER TO WHOM THE WORD CAME HIS SEED IT MADE THEM GODS. And the scriptures cannot be broken our lord said. Even in the natural when a seed dies it multiplies . Thus Gods plural,Remember God almighty swore by his very self when he made that promise of Christ being multiplied as the stars of heaven Thats y JESUS said to whom the WORD came it made them GODS PLURAL That are GONA BE BORN IN US. He does not multiply after the human kind simply b/c his seed is the living word seed the of God.GB

There is not a single verse that says Jesus is God the Son , that's backwards for the Son of God . There may be some things lost in translation over the years, but the clear and theme of the entire scripture is Jesus is Gods Son sent by God to save the world , or Savior .

There is only one Lord God that sits on the throne , and it may shock some to find it's not Jesus sitting on the throne , ask your self why not , then who is on the throne ? The Same lord that has always been on the Throne , and Jesus is his FIRST Son is at his right hand . But Jesus is not sitting on the throne the Father is on the throne . According to James there is one God even the devils know this !

It was God the Father that Commanded everything to multiply after its Kind ( seed ).No exceptions and that's how we know without a doubt Jesus is Truly God the Son simply b/c Jesus multiplies REPRODUCES after his KIND via his Seed the LIVING WORD WHICH IS THE VERY SEED OF GOD . To whom the WORD ( HIS SEED ) came it made them Gods And the scriptures cannot be broken. When he breathe on them that was his WORD which is his SEED that propagates after Gods kind , thats y he said receive ye the H.G. which is Spirit exactly like God is Spirit, And the H.G. fell on them that heard his WORDS which is spirit saying my WORDS are spirit and life, ONLY GOD CD MULTIPLY AFTER THE GOD KIND BUT WE SEE THAT CHRIST CD MULTiPLY AFTER The GOD KIND saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is our new innerman the h.g. that new heart and new spirit which is Christ being formed in via his seed the Word which is the multiplciation of Christ the H.G. Remember that was the great Promise is will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven thats y the sower will go forth and sow his precious seed in humanity when the book is opened which is the new covenant a woman in travail and birth pains , This can only be done by the WORDS of JESUS the seeds of the sower that are gona be sown in our hearts, The woman and her Children are the direct result of the sower and his seed That will fulfill that Promise of multiplication making Christ to be as the stars of heaven in multitude,Remember it was God himself that made that great Promise when he swore by himself ,Thus you ppl that gag at 3 are gonna be sick when ya see that Christ/God is gonna be multiplied as the stars of Heaven, That Great PROMISE. After the woman gives birth John says Now is come salvation and the KINGDOM of our God and the power of his Christ the Children of Promise that will come via his Seed the words of the BOOK.Ya gotta realize that Christ is an Absolute Son, Have fun counting the Stars j.w.'s See the GOD KIND .GBU

You said that you have no problem with people that say Jesus is God !

I do because Jesus is of God a huge difference. If Jesus is God then He is God on the Throne not at the right hand of God on the throne as I speak .

Jesus is the Son of God .

A Son obeys his father !

The father always has authority over all his sons while in his house . God rules everywhere so We all including Jesus are in Gods domain .

If your son at home did his own will and ignored you , he would not be well pleasing to you .

Jesus always acknowledges the father and obedience to him .

And you will never find in the scriptures that Jesus is God . But will find over 40 times Jesus is the Son of God even by Gods own witness . I stick with the word of God . So clear it is !

Praise be to Jesus he goes to the father and will come again !

My brothers, Bob and Mild Bill

This truly is something that seems to greatly divide the body of Christ. Some people like to say "Jesus is God" and some like to say "Jesus is only the Son of God and not equal to the Father". I guess me posting this is to bring peace between us and not argue over things which, through picking different verses, can be deemed different ways. Jesus Christ is the only beloved Son of God. Born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. I'm sure we all agree on that. Jesus Christ is a man as to no other man to have ever walked this earth. Filled with the Holy Spirit of His Father. Doing miracles no one had ever experienced before in all of time. Truly God was in Him.

I am not taking one side or the other in this. I have no problem with people saying "Jesus Christ is God". Or people saying "He is the Son of God". He is, was, and always shall be. Jesus Christ is the only way unto the Father and is One with the Father. Everything has been given to Him by His Father. He is our King and Lord. God our Father want's us to honor the Son even as we honor the Father. John 5:19-23

May the Lord bring peace among us who are with Jesus Christ. We do not need division. The enemy wants us divided. I pray we may come together in peaceful conversation about things not of this world as they are from above. As none of us knows everything. Through the Holy Spirit I pray bring us together my Father. Teach us in your great knowledge and glory in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

John 14.28

Ye have how I said unto you , I go away and come again unto you . If you loved me ye would rejoice , because I said , I GO UNTO THE FATHER : FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I .

John 13 v16

Verily verily , I say unto you the servant is not greater than his lord : neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him .

John 13 v 20

A few verses of so many . Jesus is OF God and Truly God with us because he is born of God . But Jesus is servant to his father . Not equal in that way .

Jesus was sent by the father . And Jesus did as the father instructed him . If Jesus was equal to the father he never would have needed the fathers help in any way . And would just act independently of the father . But Jesus was servant to the father . God on the throne has no counselling from anyone . But does his own will .

I agree that Jesus and the father are one ! Because he is Born of God . The son of God .

Jesus said my father is greater than I , so you err !

Jesus prayed to the father because the father was greater than he , so you err !

Bob, you err.

"I and my Father are one.(equal)" John 10:30 This is the case scripture makes for the equality of the persons of God, you err.

The Jews understood the claims of Jesus,"because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:33 Bob, you diminish God because he does not fit your sin tainted logic, and that is tragic.

Here we can see that Jesus is totally acknowledging that God is his father and all things he has was giving him from the father . Even the fathers word was given to him .

Yes Jesus is from God the father , but not equal to the father , because he received from the father all things .

Case closed . Jesus is the Son of God .

I think you are looking for John 17:6-14

John 17:25-26, from Jesus Christ, states it better. Instead of using the word "seen".

John 17:9 Jesus prays "not for the world", yet we sing upon His birth Joy To The World. Why do we do that? Maybe we should sing Joy To God's Chosen.

I must commend you for ending your prayer in the Name of Jesus. As you well know, Jesus is the Name of the Savior. Colossians 3:17 says"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him." So by praying in the Name of Jesus, you are praying to God. Salvation came only by Jesus ( Acts 4:12; Matthew 1:21; John 17:6; Luke 3:31; John 1:14) So when you pray in the name of Jesus, you are praying to God. All of the fullness of God is in Jesus( Colossians 1:19). We are saved through Jesus--He died on the Cross and provided the means of escape for the whole world. The demons tremble at the name of Jesus( James 2:19) Again, I commend you for praying in Jesus' Name and ending your prayer in Jesus' Name. There is no other name given to us whereby we must be saved. Jesus even said that repentance and remission of sins would be preached in His name ( Luke 24:47). It is through His name that we are baptized ( Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38; Acts 3: 19) I am so grateful to find believers who still hold to the Bible. God bless you and may God keep you is my prayer. I hope I provided some insight into Name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Just to add: I also see that Jesus' sin bearing act which was based on such great Love for us, also meant a temporary loss of fellowship & communion with the Father - one that He constantly enjoyed prior to this time ( John 14:10, John 17:5, John 5:19,20).

In His great agony & distress, such an estrangement would have been almost unbearable, even comparable to the responsibility He carried by having all our sin & guilt placed upon Him. At a time when comfort, any comfort, would have given some small relief, the Father remained quiet, not allowing anything to hamper or hinder that ultimate work of salvation. Jesus knew this, but in His Humanity, His Cry was not just because of the pain in the flesh, but the pain of losing that constant blessed fellowship & ministry which was His right by His position in the Godhead.

I wonder whether Jesus' anguish & pain was also not felt by the Father - that it must have been a difficult response by God to remain incommunicado & estranged even for a short period of time. The break in any fellowship can be painful. But when sin is not the basis for pain & suffering, the agony becomes so much worse, yet it's ensuing result became the hope & joy of the world.

I'm unsure which event you are referring to. John 15:19 and John 17:14 shows Jesus saying, that people would hate us (followers of Christ) because we're not like them (of the world) - we don't behave or follow their ways.

But if you're writing about some worldly affairs that we should not be a part of, then you are correct to a point. God has given us the privilege of living in a World prepared for our habitation & enjoyment. There will be many things happening within 'our world' & 'outside our world' of significance. And we will have to deal with all those things, not just with our minds, but also our decisions on how to act. I'm unsure if you are thinking of any specific aspect of worldly affairs but I believe we can be involved in some way with the actions of local/federal government, or against the evils going on around us, or just being salt & light in those dark areas bringing out the light & beauty of Kingdom life. There will be things that the world does that will hold no interest to us or will add nothing to our faith & walk with the Lord (such as their worldly pleasures & pursuits); we can overlook & avoid such things & not clutter our minds & lives with them.

However, you may be thinking of something else or some Scripture that brings out your thoughts.