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  • Tracy fyler on John 1:29 - 11 years ago
    Perhaps there is one sin from which has two causes and Three basic pathways:
    1. Unbelief (hath God said?) Beleiving A Lie John 16:9;
    2. Deception, i.e. NutraSweet™(deficiency) Proverbs 12:20;
    3. Pride Isaiah 14:13 Proverbs10:13 (Self-centered) cancer, Toxicity;
    4. 1 John 2:15, 16, all problems are spiritual and deal with RELATIONSHIP. Missing the mark John 17:3, Matthew 7:21, Genesis 15:1. Thus also natural realm there is only one sickness; Cellular Malfunction i.e. Dr. Otto Warburg's famous speech while Accepting Nobel Peace Prize in 1931 on cancer and its Prime cause due to Deficiency of oxygen thus Toxicity in dna i.e. Non efficient toxic city, mass production of...;
    5. Seven major pathways: Nutrition, Toxicity, ....
  • Louise Woods Anderson on John 17:5 - 11 years ago
    The revelation came to me this morning, that Jesus, as the second Adam, the quickening Spirit, desired to be made one in his body with the Father as he was in the Spirit before he took on flesh ( John 1:1-4, 12-16; Hebrews 10:5,7), so that we Gentiles (as believers) could enter into the Kingdom of God in his Glorified Body according to Acts 2:38, and be glorified in the Rapture ( Philippians 3:21). This is "Wonderful News." I am in the Glorified Body of Christ, Expectedly waiting for my glorified body in the rapture. Thank God for including me, a Gentile, in the blessings of Abraham's SEED; Jesus, the Christ!
  • Biodun Williams on Proverbs 4 - 11 years ago
    God's wisdom has Fatherly instructions, corrections, admonitions, information and guidance in them. As a matter of divine fact, His Wisdom originates from a heart of love, mercy, and compassion that are beyond human comprehension. Therefore, they are meant to stir you and I, as it were, into the favours and strength of God. And because God is God, and there is none compared to Him, it means that He can't lie. Hence, it is worthwhile and wise to give concentrated attention to His Word. God's Word is His Wisdom and His wisdom are His dictates, and they are meant for the good of whoever believes ( 2 Corinthians 12:9; Hebrews 4:16). Truthfully speaking, the fact that God does not do evil, but that He only does what is good and right, should encourage whoever cares to listen, to plunge into His truths, and also into His wisdom- and that must be through Jesus Christ, and also through the Holy Spirit, the Eternal Spirit ( 1 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Corinthians 3:5). The nuggets of truths, in this Proverbs 4, like others, are godlike precepts and instructions that are incomparable, good and right for the human soul, and for the spirit man, the hidden man of the heart, - and that mainly refers to the recreated human spirit. They are facets of biblical truths that are encouraging and also excellent for the godly type of life that many are craving and thirsting for ( Psalms 1:1-3, Psalms 37:4; Ephesians 1:17). Interestingly, depending perhaps on what background, a Christian comes from, the fact is that for the really genuine and committed type of Christian, a time will or must come that he will come into the knowledge that this God of Israel, the Father of our LORD Jesus Christ deserves to be magnified, glorified and worshipped; for there is none like Him ( John 4:23; 1 Peter 1:25). Thus, the place of wisdom, in the lives of whoever desires and dares to love and honour the Living God ( John 1:12; 3:16). He is, all that matters- and when you and I key into His love and faithfulness, He will do great wonders through us to the glory of His name. In view of these and many other things vis a vis the Word of God, wisdom dictates that we give ourselves committedly unto the LORD, and to His Word ( Matthew 6:33,34). There are challenges upon challenges that confront us, as individuals, and that is why, these truths and instructions, as contained in Proverbs, and throughout the pages of the Holy Writ, demand that we be faithfully committed to them. Remember, we have been accepted, into the family of the Beloved, and that refers to Jesus Christ ( John 17:3; Romans 8: 15; Ephesians 2:18; Galatians 4:16,1; Hebrews 9:14; 1 John 4:3; 5:13). And that is where the grace of God comes on board; His grace is more than sufficient ( 1 Corinthians 15:10; 2 Corinthians 3:5; 2 Corinthians 12:9). God has abilities no matter what task or assignment He has called you and I for. When you commit yourself to God's dictates and function in line with them, Angels will go on assignment for you ( John 15:7; James 4:16.). There are levels and degrees of encounters with God, that we can't get into except through daily obedience and practical submission to the Word of God. In fact there is nothing, as far as I know that can surpass what God has given. He has given Jesus Christ, who is referred to biblically, as the Wisdom of God, - and that is for the salvation and redemption of humanity. And when you belong to Him through the agency of the new birth, you automatically become joint heirs with Him. And with that you are sorted if you know how to walk or function in love, and then take advantage of what He has given through Christ Jesus, the Saviour of the World. The essence of these is that we should give attention to wisdom, embrace it, reflect upon it, and practice it. God's instructions and precepts demands heartfelt obedience ( Psalm 119:6; John 14:15; John 15:120; 1 Corinthians 7:19; 1 Peter 1:25; 1 John 5:3). It says whatever you do in word and deed, do it heartily as unto the LORD. Hence, in the things of the Spirit, and that refers to the Holy Spirit, high level of commitment should be the norm, and that is because God cannot lie, - and His Word is forever infallible ( John 1:1-14; Hebrews 4). Truly, God is forever trustworthy.
  • Russ on Acts 17:11 - 11 years ago
    The Bible tells the Truth because GOD cannot lie ( Hebrews 6:18), that can be verified, 2 Timothy 3: 16,17 and John 17:3.
  • John wachira on John 17:24 - 11 years ago
    The greatest thing that every believer should aspire to see is Christ’s fullness even His glory! Thank God that Christ Himself prayed for us to the Father that we may behold it. May His glory be our experience everyday of our walk with our master and savior Jesus Christ.
  • Silvana on John 6:70 - 11 years ago
    I think that it is exactly what it is said: … one of you is a devil, Jesus said that Judas was a devil. Being a disciple he was not enough for being clean according to John 17:17.
  • Larry wilson on John 17 - 12 years ago
    Jesus is God....in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was GOD.
  • Aurora on John 17 - 12 years ago
    Why is God's name, YHWH JEHOVAH, eliminated? It is in the King James hard copy!
  • Susan Dalton on John 19:30 - 12 years ago
    "It is finished." Jesus said, "...I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." ( John 17:4) The mathematic definition of work states work is done when a force acts upon an object to cause a displacement of the object. For a force to qualify as having done the work, there must be a displacement and the force must have caused the displacement. According to this definition, I can dig all day trying to get a stump out of the ground; but, if I do not displace the stump (get it out of the ground) work was not done. Satan did a work on man, and man did a work when man sinned. Man was displaced from righteousness. Jesus did a work of righteousness. He displaced man from sin, death, and hell. His work on the cross moved man from death to life; from darkness to light; from sin to righteousness. Each man has to do a work of repentance to receive the work of Christ. Without repentance, man may spend his lifetime fleeing the curse of death, yet, finding no escape of death - for he actually did no work of repentance.
  • Grant on John 8 - 12 years ago
    It proves of Christ preexistance with his father.( John 17:5) Not his being God.
  • Samuel Bonaya Buya on 1 Timothy 2 - 12 years ago
    We are not saying women are not doing a good job or not gifted but there is the commandment of God to be followed. Paul clearly says in 1Corinthians 14:37 if any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. Now he was speaking the word to people with various gifts of the Holy spirit. Jesus says in Mathew 7:21-22: not everyone that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven: but he that doeth the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name cast out devils? And in thy name many wonderful works? And I will profess unto them, I never knew you depart from, ye that work iniquity. Yes they can do mighty works in His name but if is not at his command it is all in vain. His will is His command. In 2John 1:9 it says: Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath no God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the father and the son. The doctrine of Christ did not place women preachers in the church. Where did these women preachers originate from? In Mathew 16:6b- take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. In Mathew 16:12 the disciples understood he was not speaking of leaven of bread but leaven of doctrine of Pharisees? What was wrong with the doctrine of Pharisees? Here it is: Mathew 15:9 - But in vain do they worship me teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. In Mathew 15:3 they transgressed the commandment of God by their traditions, of their elders. The Apostles doctrine ( Acts 2:42) was the doctrine of Christ. Jesus says in John 17:16-17 - my doctrine is not mine but his that sent me. If any man do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God or whether I speak of myself. The doctrine of Christ did not place women preachers, but doctrines of pharisees and saducees. In Mathew 23:29- 37 He called them serpents, brood of vipers. Adressing the serpents Jesus said you killed the righteous, shed their blood, from the blood of righteous able. These scripture clearly say Cain was a serpent. The original serpent gave Eve leaven of false doctrine and slew her by it, she became a transgressor. John the Baptist calls these serpents brood of vipers. In Mathew 23:15 they are called children of hell. The serpent convinced Eve to transgress the clear cut command of God by giving it a false interpretation. He deceives the fallen church the same way today. We are here looking at the scripture comparing spiritual things with spiritual, scripture with scripture and by the Holy Ghost, for scripture interprets scripture and was given by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost for correction and reproof. Jesus warns us in Mathew 7:13- enter ye in the straight gate: for wide is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life. The doctrine of the Apostolic Fathers that begat us by the gospel is of the Holy Ghost and cannot be added to or subtracted from. In I Corinthianthians 4:15 Paul says, though ye have ten thound instructors in Christ, ye have not many fathers: for in Christ I have begotten you throught the gospel. In 1timothy 2, it speaks of women to adorn themselves in modest apparel. It is unbecoming for Christian women to dress like the world, to walk naked and to put garments that pertain to men. Deutronomy 22:5 says the woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a womans garment: for ALL THAT DO SO ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD THY GOD. That settles it.
  • John Guntoro on John 17 - 12 years ago
    I am really respect to Jesus and how he pray to tell his Father to save the people by giving them the eternal life.
    What is the eternal life?
    The eternal life is to know him, the only true GOD and to know JESUS CHRIST the one who sent.

    Jesus also praying for everyone else who will have faith because of what his disciples will say about him.

    Too deep to be understood and too large to be kept, but too fool to be forgotten...

    Thanks LORD Jesus, you teach me the sincere prayer and give me the conviction... Amen

    John Guntoro
    Bekasi Indonesia Church of Christ
  • Timothy Wayne George on John 17 - 12 years ago
    Jesus is performing his high priestly role, and is praying to the father because they are one. He is about to go to the cross, and fulfill the manifest destiny for coming into the world as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. He is truth, and the word is truth so he prays that his disciples will be kept from the evil one, and that none would be lost. The whole law of God is to love the LORD with all our heart, mind, soul, and strenght. The second command is to love thy neighbor as thyself. Jesus said a new command I give unto you is to love one another as I have loved you. Thank God that the father only knows when the hour of the second coming will be, yet he told us we could know when it would be near even at the door. As Jesus said tarry ye until ye shall receive power from the Holy Spirit. We must be witnesses until he comes again, and warn others that God is not willing that any should perish, but that all will come to repentance. We should count the patience of God as salvation. Just as God warned Noah to buld an ark for the saving of his house, we are to tell other to receive Jesus Christ to save their soul from the coming judgement upon the whole world. It took Noah 120 years to build the ark, and after everyone was in it God waited seven days. Then God shut the door. So shall it be when the son of man returns again.
  • Martha on John 17 - 12 years ago
    John 4:23, 24) Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”
    king james bible
    23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    look it up maybe that helps and you wont be soo confused
  • Martha on John 17 - 12 years ago
    Matthew 24:36) “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.if he would be god wouldn.t he know when that day is??????
    ( Psalm 83:18) That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
    Matthew 22:37) He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’
    Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ( was he talking about himself????
  • Billy on John 17 - 12 years ago
    I believe this is the real Lord's Prayer
  • StarJesusChrist on Matthew 23:19 - 12 years ago
    Matthew 23:19= You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?NIV
    =You blind= in John 9:39-41- ''39=Jesus said, for judgment I have come into the world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.'' 40=Some Pharisees who were with Him heard Him say this and asked, 'what? are we blind too?' 41=Jesus said,'If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.''and also in John 5:39-40.
    Which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred?= which one is bigger the giver or the or receiver. In 1Corinthians 12:4-11= which one is master the gifts or the one who gives.
    John 17:17= ''Sanctify them by the truth; Your Word is truth.'' - which one is mighter the Sactifier or those who sactified.
    GB
  • SEBASTIN on John 17 - 12 years ago
    YES.THE SON MAN IS PRAYED FOR US.THE RELATION IS BETWEEN FATHER AND SON SAME BETWEEN HIS PEPOLE.THANK YOU
  • Manaka Thabo Ronny on John 17 - 12 years ago
    Jahweh is the old testament covenant name for God(Ex6v2-3), Jesus(Jahshua) is the new testament covenant name for our God, it is written "...you shall call his name Jesus, for He shall save his people from their sins."Mt1v18-21, There is no other name under heaven except the name of Jesus(Acts4v10-12). Truly Jahweh of the old testament is Jesus of the new testament, the same God all the way only in flesh this time.
  • Ray on Matthew 1 - 12 years ago
    Please notice in verse 2 it states in part Abraham begate Isaac, and Isaac begate Iacob.... Begate is another word for begotten. A direct decendant of another. Jesus is the only (exclusive) begotten son of God. Clearly noted in 1 JO 4:9 . 9 By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him. More conclusive proof that Jesus (while he is most important to our everlasting life) is not God the Almighty, but the direct representation of Him. Clearer still is John 17:3 . 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. You have to ask the question, does this in any way suggest that the Christ sent himself? Or was he in fact sent by someone else?
  • Jeremy on John 17 - 12 years ago
    Yes God does have a specific Name .It is Yahweh or Jehovah which are derived from the tetragrammaton YHWH which are actually the Hebrew letters yod,hey,vav,heh (hebrew reads from right to left)This name was given to Moses when he asked God in Exodus who should he say had sent him .Hope this helps
  • Tina on John 17 - 12 years ago
    God's name was presented in Jesus' character! There is no specific name for God. Love, patience kindness, all the good stuff..that is Gods name, that is how we identify Him.
  • Anderson on John 1 - 12 years ago
    Can one be with one and be one at the same time. verse 2 reafirms that the Word was with God.
    Verse 18 says no NO ONE has seen God at ANY time!
    Jesus explained him. Seeing Jesus was LIKE seeing
    God because he was "the image of the invisible God
    the first born of every creature" ( Col 1:15,2 Cor 4:4 Heb 1:3) in this way it can be said " I and the Father are one" ( John 10:30) & "he that has seen me has seen the Father" ( John 14:9) There is no mystery. Jesus is the the SON of the one and only true God ( John 17:3) He himself said I ascend unto my father and your father; and to my God and your God.( John 20:17)
    This reasoning harmonizes with the whole Bible with no contradictions.
  • Ray K on John 1 - 12 years ago
    Trinity

    Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.
    What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?
    The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ ( Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
    The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
    In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
    According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
    John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

    Jesus is the the fleshly representation of God's word. Hense he is known as the Word, and there are other descriptions we will confirm. The Greek vernacular of the scripture tranalated interlinearly says (John1:1,"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was toward the God, and god was the Word." the Greek spellings of God is capitalized in "toward the God" and not capitalized in," god was the Word." When translated from the Greek root meaning, it reads in english this way, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was a god." Jesus is a god. Not God the Almighty.
    Jesus is also known in the scriptures as the Son of man. ( Acts 7:56) and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”Compare, Matthew 25:31) “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.
    If The Son of man (Jesus)is God Almighty would it be reasonable for him to approach one greater than himself? Consider if you will DAN 7:9,10.. 9)"I kept on beholding until there were thrones placed and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white just like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire. 10) There was a stream of fire flowing and going out from before him. There were a thousand thousands that kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand that kept standing right before him. The Court took its seat, and there were books that were opened...
    Continuing, DAN 7:13,14 “I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. 14) And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin.(The Ancient of Days clearly describes God)
    Compare; ( Hebrews 1:1-4,6) 1) God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3) He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4) So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs........verse 6) But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.” Compare also Matthew 25:31) “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. ( Acts 7:56) and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” Clearly two distinct entities.
    Another scripture taken from the Greek Scriptures (New Testament) shows that Jesus is before all creation (God Almighty's only direct creation). In the Greek writings the wording would appear this way. John 17:5 ,"and now glorify me you, Father,beside to yourself to the glory which I was having before of the the world to be beside you. Translated in english to say,"So now you,Father,glorify me beside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.
    Notice in Hebrews 1:6 it mentions Jesus as being Firstborn. Jesus was with God ions before the 6 days of creation. In fact all things were created by God through Jesus, Col 1:15-17 (again line for line the Greek would read) "who is image of the God the invisible, firstborn of all creation, because in him it was created the all (things)in the heavens and upon the earth, the (things) visible and the (things) invisible, whether thrones or lordships or governments or authorities;the all (things) through him and into him it has been created; and he is before all(things)and the all (things) in him it has stood together. Versed in englih it reads , "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other (things) were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,no matter whether they are thrones,or lordships, or governments or authorities. All other(things)have been created through him and for him. Also he is before all (other) things and by means of him all (other) things were made to exist." Before time as we know it, Jesus was the only direct creation by God (Jehovah). Then all things were created by God (Jehovah) through Jesus. Therefore we read as previously mentioned by Joe on 10/15/2011 @9:38 am,(God speaking to Jesus)," God said in Ge 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR own image."
    Jesus in the Greek is Iesous' and in Hebrew it is Yeshua and means (Jehovah Is Salvation)as mentioned by Ray R on 10/12/2011 @ 2:40 am. This should not be misconstrued to mean it is another name or descriptive identity of Jesus. Note other names and their meanings in the bible; Jeconiah (Jehovah Firmly Establishes), Jecoliah (Jehovah Has been Able), Jeberechiah (Jehovah Blesses), Jedidiah (Beloved of Jah) Jah being the short version of Jehovah , example Ha-le-lu-jah meaning praise be to Jehovah.
    Clearly these others are in no connection with Jesus nor are they considered to be God The Almighty. Their names describe who Jehovah is and what He is synonymus with. Jesus is our very salvation in that he was the sacrificial lamb provided by Jehovah for covering mans sins. Reasonably then, Jesus being the very sacrifice given for us would be the correct and rightful meaning of his name,"Jesus" meaning (Jehovah Is Salvation). Also mentioned was the Christ meaning: Annointed. Annointing is an act of one individual to another. Indicating two distinct individuals.
    On a final note Jesus in reply to his disciples questions at Matthew 24:3 explains the sign of his presence and the occurrence of things at the conclusion of this system. Better known as Armageddon. Jesus words at Matthew 24:36, " Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son,but only the Father." In a trinitarian godship all godheads are omnipotent. All have exact power. Equal if you will. Not one greater than the other. All knowing of everything together. Jesus clearly stated he did not know the day or hour. Only the Father knew that time frame. Jesus spoke of how some one could speak against him (The Son of man)and be forgiven, but speaking against the holy spirit would never be forgiven.( MT 12:32) Again this would not stand to reason in a trinitarian worship.
    Accurate knowledge is the means of salvation. Jesus said in John 17:3 "This means ever lasting life, their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."
  • Abraham on John 17 - 12 years ago
    Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords he also said if we dnt have the spirit of Christ we are none of his we all have 2 seek the lord with our hold hearts cuz we can not get 2 the father only through his son n the because of salvation that given free 2 us because Jesus paid the price for us that we may have life
  • Tubeho on John 17 - 13 years ago
    in verse six i ve learned that we who believe in JESUS its bcz we given unto HIM even the world was made.
  • Wayne on John 17 - 13 years ago
    What is God Name ?
  • Thomas Spivey on John 17 - 13 years ago
    Chapter 17 Fill me with HOPE in the gospel for the present & future, Because I know and am Confident that the Father hears and answers all the prayers of His Son on my behalf, yours as-well, do you agree?
  • David Ryle on Psalms 83 - 13 years ago
    I believe in JEHOVAH.Jesus wanted his fathers name known. John :5:43, John 17:11, John 12:13,28 Lord is a tittle. 1Co 8:5,6 Mt6:9. Ex 6:3. Isa 42:8..( John 8:44)( John 4:24)Deuteronomy12:32 I believe todays versions are just that,a version. Matthew 15:9 and Ephesians 4:14 Doctrines of man. 1John 5:19.....
  • David Ryle on Psalms 83 - 13 years ago
    John :5:43, John 17:11, John 12:13,28 Lord is a tittle. 1Co 8:5,6 Mt6:9. Ex 6:3. Isa 42:8..( John 8:44)( John 4:24)Deuteronomy12:32 I believe todays versions are just that,a version. Matthew 15:9 and Ephesians 4:14 Doctrines of man. 1John 5:19.....


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