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I appreciate what you have said here.
I also believe that the Word teaches that the Holy Spirit is the one who regenerates us through the washing of the word.
( Titus 3:5)
He sanctifies us ( John 17:5) ( Romans 15:16) He gives us life (6:63)
The Spirit puts to death the works of sin in us ( Romans 8:13)
He baptizes us into Christ ( 1 Cor. 12:13)
The Spirit gives us access to the Father ( Eph. 2:18)
He teaches us. ( John 14:26)
There are many more things that Scriptures say about what the Spirit does in and for us.
Just as an unrelated example: I've often given John 17:5, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was", asking for comment. I have always hoped that someone who rejects the Deity of Christ (i.e. Christ came from God's Person & wasn't just a supernaturally created Being) would exegete that verse for me. But so far none have come back on it. I wonder why? Simply because it (& others such as I gave you to consider about eternal suffering), are incompatible to the beliefs that are strongly held. So, I look forward to you thoughts whenever you are able. Thank you.
Yes, there is an eternal joyous life for those who submit to God, so also there is eternal suffering for those who reject Him. How do you look at these verses? Are they to be avoided, re-interpreted, just given in error, or whatever one may choose to apply to them?
These are the matters we face here in addressing core biblical issues of eternity, the trinity, second coming, etc. And they are important; how we believe them & then share the Gospel with others can prove the genuineness of their faith when turning to Christ. I believe this is one major reason that we see an over-abundance of 'spurious faith' (i.e. a faith not based on the full Gospel message of the Bible, but with a leaning towards 'turn to Jesus & all will be well with your soul & live happily ever after in His Kingdom'). This is not the reason that Jesus came from His Glory ( John 17:5) to Earth to die a sinner's death - He came to give a Divinely prepared path & a living hope for the lost sinner to not face eternal condemnation: that's why it took the Son of God to come & lay down His Life, or else why not a spotless Heaven-provided Lamb? God laid down His Life through His Son which speaks to us of Love that is truly Agape & of the seriousness of our sins before Him & the certainty of His eternal Judgement to those who spurn that Love & offer of forgiveness. I'm sorry to have written at length on this subject, as it's one that is very close to my heart, when considering the great worth & cost of our salvation, in light of the Scriptures & of my own testimony.
John 17:17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
The apostle Peter talked about once we have known the truth and turn away from it there is no more sacrifice for sin.
2nd Peter 2:20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Obviously Peter was writing about people who were once santified. Acts chapter 5 Annians and Saphara two holy santified people who decided to do their own thing and obey a different voice, the voice of the devil as the man of God Peter knew who deceived them in not putting their share if the offerings as thry were supposed to.
Acts 5:3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
We became sanctified instantly the moment you accept Jesus Christ and his words from the Gospel of Christ.
Col 1:28] Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Luke 6:40] The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
John 17:23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
After:
Acts 3:16] And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
Romans 12:2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1st Cor 2:6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1st Cor 1:10] Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Philippians 3:15] Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Col 1:28] Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
2nd Timothy 3:17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Hebrews 13:20] Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
[21] Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Amen, when the preacher behind the pulpit does not believe in perfection, neither will the church. The man of God has to be perfect, unlike what we hear today unbelief.
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."(v.21)
Here we have two names which distinguish as we ascribe deity and humanity to the Word becoming flesh.
In this context we do not find God naming Adam. In the Lucan genealogy Adam is qualified as the son of God.("Adam, which was the son of God"- Luke 3:38) The angel who appeared to Mary informs on the other hand of her child, "which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God"- Luke 1:35) One is a son because of the breath of God making him a living soul. The other signifies the Fellowship of God with Man on the basis of the Father Son relationship. This is consequential as far as salvation Plan for man is concerned. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."(Ac.4:12)
In vv.22-23 we have another name, "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,/ Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." God with us is synonymous with Word which is the constitution or Law of the kingdom of God. Knowledge of the glory of God is tied up Jesus Christ. In his prayer he remarks of the glory, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."( John 17:5)
"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." What does the face indicate? God named the firmament heaven (Ge.1:8) so heaven declares the glory (Ps.19:1) indicates a face to which the Magi could read as well as any man by faith would know the will of his Father. God showed only 'back parts' to Moses, meaning through the Law of Moses.
Pt. 2
God is exalted far above all else by nature, not because we place him in this place of esteem.
Gen. 14:22 attests that He is God Most High, as how Abraham, Isaac and Jacob knew him.
Ps. 113:5 states that God is the One who is enthroned on high. No one put Him there by appointment. He did not ascend to this position. He has always occupied this place of highest sovereignty. Jesus, in His humiliation of becoming a man, is the only one who ascended to the highest place of God. Ph. 2:9
He ascended back to the glory He always had with the Father prior to His incarnation. John 17:5
There is nothing and no one greater than He and this is eternally so.
Ps. 111:3 says that Glorious and majestic are God's deeds.
Ps. 145: tells of the glorious splendor of His majesty.
The Scriptures say that He is majestic in:
power ( Ex. 15:6
holiness ( Ex. 15:11)
voice ( Job 37:4)
deeds (111:3)
beauty (Ez. 31:7)
splendor ( 1Chr. 29:11)
authority ( Jude 1:25)
victory ( Ps. 45:4)
in raiment (93:1)
His majesty in incomparable (Ez. 31:3)
2 Thes. 2:8 says that the enemies of God will be destroyed by the splendor of His coming.
Neh. 9:5 says that He is exalted above all that could be praised.
Ps. 92:10 says that God is exalted forever.
Ps. 113:4 says God is exalted above the nations. Nothing rises above Him.
Ps. 138:2 says God is exalted above ALL things.
And who can pass up Isaiah's vision of the Lord upon His throne High and exalted! Is. 6:1 Read the way He is described here. Awesome!
Micah 6:6 tells us to bow down before the exalted God.
Let us have a high view of God, esteeming Him to be the best of all, pre-eminent in all things, the height of perfection, the One no one can supplant, the absolute sublimity of anything worthy and holy. His majesty surpasses all that any being can imagine or think. Even the angels do not know the full extent of His majesty, but cry Holy, holy.
You say you believe, but is HALF BELIEF enough to get you into the Kingdom of God or does God require TOTAL BELIEF of his WORKS.
You say you believe in the works of the resurrection.
But is belief in half the WORKS of Christ resurrection enough or does it takes total belief to OBTAIN the Kingdom of God.
I don't think you know what the kingdom of God is, YET.
What were the WORKS of Christ's resurrection:
OUR sins of the flesh were forgiven and covered by the Lambs blood.
DEATH was conquered, and IMMORTALITY, the gift of God, established, and CHRIST ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ( 1 Timothy 6:16).
Christ ONLY arose, and we as JOINT HEIRS.
Here is where you STOP BELIEVING.
Mark 10:8 And THEY twain shall be ONE flesh: so then THEY are NO MORE twain, but ONE FLESH.
So whose flesh are you, Christ flesh,
Or is Christ, your flesh.
The word gives the answer;
1 Corinthians 15:50 ....flesh and blood cannot INHERIT the kingdom of GOD .....
You INHERIT the Kingdom of God, it is not a place, it is a person.
Genesis 2:23 This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: for SHE, Christ wife, shall be called WOMAN, because SHE is taken out of MAN ( Revelation 12).
1 Corinthians 15:53 ..... this mortal shall PUT on IMMORTALITY .......
1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY .....
John 17:22 ..... that THEY may be ONE, as WE are ONE .....
You believe Christ and his Father are ONE.
Yet, you DON'T BELIEVE, you we made ONE with them by the resurrection of Christ.
These are not my words that you don't believe.
John 10:34 JESUS SAID, is it not WRITTEN in your LAW, I said, ye are gods ...... Psalms 82:6 .......
Isaiah 55:11 My WORD WILL NOT return unto me VOID .....but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the THING whereto I sent it.
Isaiah 28:21 ....that he may do HIS WORK, his strange WORK, and BRING TO PASS HIS ACT, his strange act.
Can you enter the Kingdom of God, ONLY BELIEVING half of God's WORD.
I pray right now that the Lord God will quickly answer Your prayer request here and comfort You in your cry for His help and assurance of your salvation and security in Him. I pray that our Heavenly Father will take away all your feelings of sadness, all your burdens of sin, and all of your worries about your standing before Him. Jesus stands before the Father as our mediator as our defense and righteousness, and we are in Him as He mediates as our Priest and King. In this way we are seated in heavenly places already, because if we believe on Him we are in Him as He says in John 14:20
"At that time (when the Comforter, Holy Spirit comes) you will shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
And in John 14:27 Jesus says, "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled; neither let it be afraid."
May these words comfort you today, Parkerdy
You are God's child, equally loved and shared by the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. God has taken you as His treasured possession to live with Him forever. In this life we have the Spirit as our surety, our guarantee of the promise of the resurrection and life now and forever with the indwelling Spirit of God.
"All mine are thine, and thine are mine, and I am glorified in them." John 17:10,
May you live in the freedom, faith, and peace f o Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and His Father, and of the precious gift of the Holy Spirit. God has you covered, truly, and your sins are forgiven. You can walk afresh in fellowship with our God without guilt or fear. May the Spirit fill you with this truth today. Amen.
This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.
God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.
All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.
In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.
Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.
You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.
God bless,
RLW
"For all my ways are before thee"(v. 168b) links to the last section under the last Hebrew letter 'Tau'* which means Truth. This validates 'the word' ('Thy word is truth'- John 17:18) which forms the focus of the entire psalm. "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."(v.160)
Here is a penitent psalm where the psalmist confesses that all his ways are before God. "And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account."(He. 4:13). "Sheol is naked before God, and Abaddon has no covering."( Job 26:6-ESV)
"Let my cry come near before thee, OLord: give me understanding according to thy word./Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word./My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes."
"My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness./Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts./I have longed for thy salvation, OLord; and thy law is my delight./Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me."
The penitent man rests his case: "I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments."(v.176)
*Note:Tav is the last letter of the Hebrew word emet, which means'truth'. The midrash explains that emet is made up of the first, middle, and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet.
You need to study all the verses related to Christ resurrection.
The whole gospel is about a new covenant, not a covenant of rules, but a complete new creation (covenant), no longer man as a flesh and blood being made from dust.
BUT, a new creation of man being MADE ONE with Christ, a MARRIAGE, your the body, he's the LIFE, this is the gift of GOD, eternal LIFE by your marriage to the only ONE who has eternal life, JESUS CHRIST.
You don't have to quit driving cars are watching TV, but you do have to come to TRUTH of the resurrection of Christ and what happened to all creation by his resurrection, and that takes studying his word and letting the spirit of truth, GOD'S WORD reveal this truth to you.
Your brick and mortar churches won't teach you this truth, which is shameful, they teach a doctrine of YOUR WORKS, you have to help Christ save you.
They will not believe that you were married to Christ at his resurrection, YOU WERE MADE ONE, as he and his Father are ONE.
John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me,I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE.
DON'T BE DECEIVE
God Bless YOU!
Since you have not yet received an answer to your question, I would like to reply.
There are two baptisms, John baptism of water, and Christ's baptism of truth and life.
The true gospel has been lost to the traditions and teachings of man.
The true gospel is what happened at Christ death and resurrection.
You were BAPTISED into the DEATH and RESURRECTION of Christ, you were baptised into the NAME of Jesus.
You DIED with Christ, you arose with Christ, you and Christ were MARRIED and became ONE, being raised together as ONE.
All creation was MADE NEW, the new heavens and the new earth, at his resurrection.
Salvation is about BELIEVING what God says he HAS DONE.
Your saved from DEATH.
1 Timothy 5:16 Christ ONLY has IMMORTALITY ...
1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this mortal must PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....Christ only has immortality......
Your were BAPTISED into LIFE of Christ by his resurrection.
John 14:6 I AM the LIFE ....
Romans 8:29 .... being predestinate (by the BAPTISM of his resurrection) TO BE conformed to the IMAGE of his son.
You were RAISED a NEW CREATION;
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou has given me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they maybe ONE, even as we are ONE.
BELIEVE what God has done.
God BLESS YOU!
God is Spirit:
Christ is a man, the BODY of God.
Christ has a GOD and a Father, but is is not THE GOD.
God is the LIFE of Christ, God's BODY.
Christ, the Body, only does what the SPIRIT, his God and Father, CAUSES him to say and do.
All creation DIED on the cross of Christ, a NEW CREATION arose WITH CHRIST.
Only ONE BODY AROSE from the grave, the BODY of CHRIST.
IMMORTAL LIFE; Christ, never again to die, was resurrected, we were JOINT HEIRS with Christ at his resurrection.
John 17:22 And the glory that thou has given me, I have given them, even as we are ONE, that they may also be ONE.
Christ is a man with a glorified BODY, he can stand in the flesh, or be the spirit of truth, physically present or omnipresent.
When you are harvested by the angels, in the twinkling of an eye, you will be the IMAGE of CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 15:53 .....This mortal (you) shall PUT ON IMMORTALITY ...
1 Timothy 6:16 ...... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ......
The gift of God is eternal LIFE, Christ is eternal life, your GIFT is being JOINT HEIR of GOD, by Christ
Christ is IN HEAVEN, at the right hand of his Father, but that heaven is the NEW HEAVEN ....this mystery ..... CHRIST IN YOU ....
Christ SECOND COMING .... like a thief, no one saw him save the one that RECEIVED HIM.
God Bless YOU!
By whom (BY Christ) HE (God) made the worlds.
Angel, Christ's BODY is YOU.
Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery ..... Christ in you ......
Galatians 2:20 I am CRUCIFIED with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet, NOT I, but Christ lives IN ME ....
Notice it's NO LONGER YOU that lives, you DIED on the cross, yoru NOW the BODY of Christ.
You were married to Christ at his resurrection, YOU and CHRIST became ONE.
John 17:22 And the glory that thou (God) gave me (Christ), I (Christ have given them (you Angel), that even as we (God and Christ) are ONE, that they (you Angel) are ONE in us.
God Bless YOU!
Why would you say we are NOTHING.
John 17:22 And the glory that thou gave me, I have given them, that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE.
I don't think you understand what happened at the resurrection of Christ.
God Bless you with eyes to see.
As humans He created, we cannot attain to His infinite and boundless Holiness, but in Christ we will become perfected in the life to come to have perfect holy humanity without sin any longer. The angels are also holy and without sin, but they are creatures and thus not holy in the sense of being separate
Friend, its not God's holiness that in dispute here, but our inheritance in Christ, now in this life.
The holy, innocent, pure, blameless, unreproachable life of Christ is our inheritance Rom 8:29 becoming partakers of His Divine Nature, the Fruits of His Spirit which against such there is no law, In Christ, the Father withholds nothing of Himself from us, for Luke 12:32
Its is a perfection of holiness that can be added too, as one grows in knowledge & understanding through the appearance of Grace in our hearts 2Cor 4:6,7
It's known, felt, consummated & possess in this life & is rewarded in the next. 2 Timothy 4:7,8
Christ prayer is answered John 17:21-24
Holiness is none other than being engrafted into God, union & oneness with Him in heart, mind & soul, for He along is Holy
This is the greatness of the salvation Christ purchase, that Hebrews declares "ought not to be neglected".
For 1Thessalonians 4:7 2Thessalonians 2:13,14
G4047 Obtaining: acquisition, possession (the act or the thing); by extension, preservation, peculiar, purchased, possession, saving.
Concerning angels Mark 8:28
G40- most holy, consecrated
They are separated, Rev 19:10 "I am thy fellowservant, & of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, worship God"
Your quote is unscriptural,
you are advocating a life of continuous in sin & repentance for life term, there's no fellowship, union or knowing Him in this state according to Scriptures, this teaching becomes a stumbling block to the babes in Christ, Whom God is leading in the Way of holiness, your directly contradicting the teaching of Christ who says deny self & "sin not" & put on the Lord Jesus Christ.
v4 says "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables". They turn from the truth?
( John 17:17) "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth". They turn from the True Word of God, the KJB!
( Ps 119:89) "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven".
That means the Word of God will never change! Yet every modern version bible does (change) the words.
There's a site that you might really like, it shows patterns that only God could have been in control of in translating the KJB, and the KJB ONLY.
Search (Truth is Christ) on youtube and watch some of the videos, it proves the KJB is the True Inspired Word of God.
This will be a really good tool for you to use in Bible study if you want to compare Bibles, it called (Bible Hub).
I do look forward to seeing you post some of your future Bible studies on the KJB.
God Bless You and all who seek His Truth.
What is salvation?
What are you SAVED from?
Your saved from DEATH.
How are you SAVED from DEATH?
You were a JOINT HEIR with Christ at his RESURRECTION.
Only ONE BODY was raised at his resurrection.
You became the body of Christ, no longer having a heart of stone, but Christ gave you his heart, no longer a carnal mind, Christ gave you his mind.
Your carnal mind is DESTROYED by constantly repeating the scriptures that affirm the WORKS of his resurrection.
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou gavest me; I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE as we are ONE.
Isaiah 59:21 As for me (the Father), this is my covenant with them (his creation, by the works of the cross of Christ), the words that I (the Father) have put in your (Christ's) mouth, SHALL NOT depart out of your (Christ's) mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED (being resurrected as joint heirs with Christ), nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, henceforth and forever.
The wages of SIN (unbelief) is DEATH.
The gift of BELIEF is eternal LIFE.
1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light......
John 17:22 .... that they may be ONE, as we are ONE.
God BLESS YOU as LIGHT replaces DARKNESS!
1John 1:3 John was speaking on the other side of the baptizmal of the Christ, he knew in power of being dead unto sin,
& the power of the resurrection of Christ within Him, joining Him to Christ & the Father John 17:21-24 in a consummate intimate fellowship which he explains to His children "that your joy maybe full, which they had & are experiencing in a measure; as they continue in the working out of their salvation, steadfast & confident unto the end.
We ourselve experience an increase in joy of this fellowship as He takes away our sin, & we don't return to them. His Presence increases in our lives, receving more of His Spirit by the hearing & obedience of Faith, which gives & increases us in what John say later "an understanding" 1John 5:20 & a part of this understanding is Philippians 4:13 which we have received.
Could non-believers read this epistles & become believers, of course; Mark 9:23 This is the heart of God Isa 49:6 Acts 13:47
in love & truth
Grace be to you
"And (God) brought her unto the man".(v.22)
It is not ourselves but it is God who has brought us into the Fellowship of God and Man. This is the gift of God. (Ep.2:8-10) Jesus speaks of it from his POV, "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."( John 17:2) Glory of the word like seed finding the right soil so wisdom is a deep calling unto deep,- which in this case is the power and he has power over all who would benefit from. He knew who were his. "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."(17:12) That the scripture might be fulfilled sets him the soul, the knowing part so we have Adam as the double revealing another aspect of the Son. As the Son of man he knew what was in the man of man. "But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him./And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."( John 6:63-64)
It pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell.
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
The Spirit invests in Adam the same qualities that Christ as the brightness of His glory displayed. As the Good shepherd he revealed his Father the Shepherd of souls(1 Pe.2:25).
What is our cross for?
To DIE on or cross.
Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the DEATH (on our cross) of his saints.
If we die on the cross of Christ, the we were MARRIED to him in his RESURRECTION.
1 Corinthians 15:43 .... raised in GLORY .....
1 Peter 1:21 WE by him (Christ) do BELIEVE in God, who raised him from the dead, and GAVE him GLORY....
John 17:22 And the GLORY thou GAVEST ME, I have GIVEN them, that as we are ONE, they may BE ONE in us.
There was ONLY ONE BODY raise at the RESURRECTION of Christ.
Ephesians 4:4 .....ONE body .......
1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the BODY of Christ ......
Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I give you .....
1 Corinthians 2:16 .... ye have the MIND of Christ .....
We are a NEW Creation, ONE BODY, with the heart and mind of Christ.
Psalms 107:31 Oh that man would praise the LORD for his goodness, his wonderful works to the children of men!
God Bless YOU!
Do you see Jesus doing this type of activity? Would this further your growth in His Divine Nature, His image & likeness, walking as He walk? or would it be conforming to this world image & likeness?
Friend,
we been brought with a price 1Cor 6:21
live unto themselves, but to Him 2Cor 5:16
Ryant, the difference between all that are call & the few that are chosen is that they obey from the heart the Truth that had been shown them, & as they prove their faithfulness in the measure of Grace given, God gave the increase, eventually united them with Himself.
John 17:21-24
choose wisely
may His love & grace be with you.
Most believe what man says not what God says.
God's words are always fulfilled.
John 5:43 I (the man, Jesus Christ) come in my Father's NAME and ye receive me (the spirit of truth) not: if another MAN come is his OWN NAME, him ye will receive.
You know them by their fruits.
Not their appearance, the words from their lips.
Isaiah 57:19 ..... I CREATE the FRUIT of the LIPS ..... ONLY when one is BAPTISED into the NAME of Jesus ...... does ones lips speak the same words as OUR LORD, the overseer of out lips.
Psalms 17:4 Concerning the works of men, by the words of THY LIPS (that that may be ONE as WE ARE ONE John 17:22) I have keep me from the paths of the destroyer.
Psalms 12:4 Who hath said.... our lips are our own......
God Bless YOU!
God Bless YOU!
I rejoice to read & understand more from the thoughts of your heart, the inner workings of God's Spirit within, the sincerity, humility, earnestness & simplicity in which you endeavors to love & obey the Lord. Thank you for sharing yourself.
Yes God knew, but in all fairness, Adam must have had also the opportunity to obey as we ourselves now have.
You description of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience is accurate, but lets finish the verse, "sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus, For His life is in the Blood Lev 17:11,14 it not only cleanses but implants the Divine nature. As we continue steadfastly exercising of the doctrines of Christ, I'm speaking of Grace appearance "the hearing the living Word of God, that's near us even in our heart & in our mouth, the word of Faith that Paul preach, here the power of Life is felt & known, not letter learning. 2Cor 3:6
Sanctification "making holy" is describe in Titus 3:5 unto the new creature, being born again by this Incorruptible Seed.
The Light, conforms & transforms unto Himself, in which there is no darkness at all. Eph5:8 "were" past tense.
The resurrection life is reveal here & now, in ever increasing measures in sanctification work, & is consummated by being baptized in the Holy Spirit, revealed also as being baptize unto His death Rom 6:3-6 the life of the born-again/new creature is the walking in the newness of the resurrection Life of Christ were one is seal & gather to the Gardener, where self is seen no more, its not I but Christ.
There's two stages we may attain to in our growth in Grace/Life
Reaching the state of Adam innocents before he fell, where if not diligent/watchful we maybe ensnared again , Yet if one continues as mention in the exercising of the Grace of God, one will be baptizes by the Holy Spirit, "the threshing floor, (our hearts) thoroughly purge". We're born again, dead unto sin, alive & in union with Christ & the Father John 17:21-23 here & now!
Grace & Peace to you
all creation is judged now, today: tomorrow; tomorrow will become today, world without end. judgement is what god has said. his word will not return unto him void.
judgement is now, today, upon the house of the christ; you, me and everyone on this forum; is that house, and there is only one house, the lord god almighty and the lamb: some have not yet come to that truth, but there is a today coming when they shall be overcome by judgement.
you are baptised into the name of jesus christ, resurrected as one, join-heirs, a husband and his bride.
john 17:22 and the glory that thou hast given me, i have given them, that as we are one, they may be one in us.
judgement is now, do you believe what god has said.
philippians 1:29 for it is given to you on the behalf of christ ...... to believe......
god bless you as we abound in the works of god.
After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.
Paul states 2Cor 5:14
The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?
Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"
We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that
Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6
1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12
1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves
John 13:14 "as I have love you"
Folks,
To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5
Jeremiah 32:38-41 Love never fails.
All men DIED (take up your cross and follow me in death), a NEW CREATION arose, the BODY of Christ, the bride, Christ's wife: and Christ being the HEAD of the BODY.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN (new birth, being RAISED as the body of Christ, and Christ as the head of that body) doth not commit sin, BECAUSE his SEED (the word of God, truth, life) remaineth IN HIM (this mystery, Christ IN YOU), and he CANNOT SIN
WHY can't we sin: BECAUSE
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my SPIRIT (the Spirit that raised Christ) IN YOU, and I WILL CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and TO KEEP my judgements and DO THEM.
It's not our works (in that day they will say, did WE NOT): we do nothing it's all the WORKS OF GOD.
Revelation 2:26 .... and KEEPS my WORKS .....
Isaiah 26:10 ....TOGETHER (as ONE), with my DEAD BODY shall they ARISE .....
Revelation 21:5 ..... I MAKE all things NEW ......
John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou GAVEST ME, I have given them, that as WE ARE ONE, that may be ONE .
Christ was RAISED with eternal (IMMORTAL) LIFE, we are joint-heirs of that eternal LIFE
1 Timothy 6:16 ... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light .....
1 Corinthians 15:53 ....this mortal MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY ....
1 Corinthians 15:38 ... and to every SEED ..... HIS OWN BODY ......
1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the BODY of CHRIST ......
God BLESS YOU!
God BLESS YOU!
Jesus, through prayer, was expounding to his disciples and to us, what was going to happen by his death and HIS RESURRECTION
By HIS RESURRECTION all things became NEW, he is the fulfillment of Mosses and the prophets;
Creation became a JOIN-HEIR with Christ.
A marriage occurred at his RESURRECTION, Jesus became THE LIFE of all men, all men became the BODY of Christ.
We are just the BODY, CHRIST IS THE LIFE, our body has the FAITH of JESUS CHRIST, our BODY does the WORKS of JESUS CHRIST, we have no faith other than the faith of Jesus Christ, we have no works other than the WORKS of Jesus Christ.
OUR body is DEAD with JESUS CHRIST.
John 16:8 And when he is come (the second coming of CHRIST; IN YOU, his body) he will reprove the world of SIN.
John 16:8 Of SIN, because they BELIEVE NOT my words.
YOU died on the cross, how can you repent of your sins, they are COVERED by the blood of Christ, YOU REPENT of your BELIEFS, because the carnal mind is enmity (in direct rebellion) to what GOD SAYS.
Creation DIED with CHRIST on his CROSS, ONLY the BODY of CHRIST arose, we are JOINT-HEIRS of IMMORTALITY.
1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY .....
We are the BODY, Christ is THE LIFE.
The wages of SIN (unbelief) is DEATH, the absence of LIFE ----- let the dead bury their dead -----
Anti-christ i(and there are many) is opposition to TRUTH; Christ the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.
God Bless YOU!
"A true believer,(one who has been born of Gods Spirit)will never hear the words"depart from me,I never knew you."
What you said is confimed by the Word of GOD through our Lord JESUS Christ, saying:"All that the Father(the Word)giveth me shall come to me;and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"- John 6:37.
The Word is GOD, so the Word in our heart is literally GOD in our heart-Hallelujah!Great is our GOD.GOD is our life, the life that He gives unto the true believers through JESUS( 1John 5:10 explains literally who has and has not the life),true believers BELIEVED in the testimony that GOD gave of His Son.
1 John 5:19-20 :
19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Matthew 11:27 - All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.
John 17:6-11
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy Word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, KEEP through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be One, as we are. AMEN.AMEN. AMEN. Praise GOD.