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Hi Chris;

Rom 5:12-14

I would agree with all except, for the last sentence, beginning with "Absolute Purity". Luke 6:40; 1John 4:17; Rom 12:1; the plain write of the words used denotes we're still living in this world.

Hypocrites; I don't believe you intentionally imply this, yet the results of your statement implying this. They did not speak of the new birth, but from the new birth, 2Cor 5:17; Ezekiel 36:25,26,27; heart of flesh; denotes our life now in the flesh. Eph 4:24; you put Him on, here; Col 3:10; The apostles lived, enjoy & possessed what they preached; Philippians 3:15,16; Again, what God required of us is to live according to the measure of the Truth that He has revealed, the apostles received Acts 1:8' Eph 1:19; Eph 3:20; Col 1:29; to do so.

You stated "has sin left them or ever leave them: Never, but they can have victory over sin; this is an oxymoron. Being born again of His Spirit alias; Matt 3:11-12; the threshing floor of the heart is thoroughly purge of the chaff. (sin nature), the spiritual old man of sin, the Adamic nature that animates the flesh. He's deny, mortify & final crucify, he's dead & self is seen no more. All by the Grace appearance within our hearts.

Friend,,,,your covering yourself, but not with the Spirit of the Lord, but with; Gen 3:7;

Your the understanding is veiled, for only the spirit of darkness would plead for sin to remain within one, after all that God has wrought & revealed to us through His Son. For he (Satan) knows that despite one's profession, though maybe ever so high or lofty, & profess with elegant words, it what one does that defines him, Rom 6:16; John 8:34; Rom 2:6;

Hebrews 9:11,12,13,14,15; do you hear what the Spirit is saying here? The flesh purified, OT, now in NT even our conscience cleanse, the heart. Eternal inheritance Roman 8:17; 2 Pet 1:4; John 17:21-23;

Therefore, 2Cor 7:1;

In Love & Truth

Frankie J

David

"what I believe the Bible declares"

This is just the point David,I've been making all alone. Faith does not come by reading, studying, pastor preaching, Sunday school, etc: Its comes by Rom 10:17; this is the faith that Paul preached, speaking to you personally within your heart. These others maybe good execises to support & encourage if there inspired by Holy Spirit. But it cannot stand alone or take the place of having a personal relationship with Jesus, & this is what God has set His heart upon. John 14:21,23,26; John 17:21,22,23; Our faith is cannot be base on other people experinences, though ever be so helpful. In the work of regeneration we come to 1John 1:1-4 Here John is speaking of His Spirit appearance within our hearts, the Life/Light was manifested, Grace appearance. As we diligently hearken to His still small Voice we come to experiential knowledge of the Lord, 1John 5:20; "we have heard, seen with our eyes & have looked upon & our hands have handled of the Word of Life, spiritually, in this working out of our salvation. Hebrews 9:28; 2Cor 4:6,7; that the excellency to the Power to understand & receive the things of God, is of God & not of ourselves. John 3:27; We come to know His mind/will & good pleasure. Its what King David experience in Psalm 119:130; it what made him more wiser than his teacher Psalms 119:99; it was his Psalm 119:105; Psalm 123:2; Psalm 59:9; Psalm 69:3 & he commands his soul to wait upon the Lord Psalm 62:5; its call in Scripture the Key of David, Rev 3:7; He alone can Rev 5:2,5; Isa 22:22: He is the Treasure we have in these earthen vessel. Col 1:26,27,28; 1 Cor 2:12;

Blessing to you, you have a great desire & a zeal David.

in Love & Truth

Frankie J

No scripture of itself interprets scripture, it takes other scriptures combined together to interpret truth.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God CANNOT commit sin, for his SEED (GOD) remaineth in him, and he CANNOT SIN because he is born of God.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit (God is Spirit) in YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements and DO them.

The kingdom of God only COMES to you if you believe what the word says.

Matthew 12:28 But if I (the Spirit of TRUTH) cast out devils (the spirit of deception) by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has COME unto you.

Was Paul saying something different; or, was he agreeing agreeing that is GOD IN YOU; HIS flesh and bone, that keeps you from sinning and not of yourself (your DEAD) only a NEW CREATION exist.

When you BELIEVE you are going to keep sinning in this life, then your going to keep sinning.

Matthew 8:13 .... and as thou hast BELIEVE, so be it done unto you ........

Do you BELIEVE you are a NEW CREATION, the flesh and bone OF CHRIST?

John 17:22 And the glory that thou has given me, I have GIVEN them, that they may be ONE as we are ONE.

If you don't believe that scripture, then the Kingdom of God has not YET COME to you.

God bless you

JESUS' own testimony about Himself is wonderful, and reveals to us in depth the mystery of His existence here in the greatness of the Universe created by GOD, the Word, GOD the Father, full of heavenly bodies, and here on Earth, specifically, He populated the planet with living beings, and sat in the circle of the Earth, as is written in Isaiah 40:21-22KJV:

21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is GOD that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; ...

That said, we must remember what JESUS said from His own existence: - John 17:4-5KJV: as follow:

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. ( John 1:3, and 5:17, and Hebrews 1:1-2KJV testify about this that JESUS said. Take a look.)

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD was. (John the Baptist, the angel of the LORD, testified about this, saying: John 1:18KJV- 18 No man hath seen GOD at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.)

Paul testified, saying: Colossians 1:14-16KJV:

14 In JESUS we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the INVISIBLE GOD -the Word- the Word is GOD- , the firstborn of every creature (the Word made flesh):

16 For by Him -by JESUS- were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: ( John 1:3, and 5:17, and Hebrews 1:1-2 confirm)

AMEN Brother Ronald:

John 17:22 The glory that thou hast given me, I have GIVEN them; that they my be ONE, as we are ONE.

Oh! the grace of God that is given to man.

God bless you

Leoj

Hello everyone, Had an interesting question asked at our men's Bible group. " Our we sinners because we sin, or do we sin because where're sinners". Would like to hear your comments based from the Bible . Thank you

MountHoreb Response to Leoj:

When reading the bible, A Sinner is someone who has a leaning or urge to go against the will of Jehovah God ( Psalm 83:18)

God Saids one thing; a Sinner is inclined to go the other way. we have an example at Genesis 3

Point: Romans 5:12-15

There is Hope: John 3:16,17; 1 Timothy 1:8-10; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; John 17:3

Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) is not looking for perfection. he is like a father and we are like his Children prone to mistakes.

our father is looking for us to tell him the truth, to be humble, to cry to him and repent especially if it's something that

is to difficult to handle on our own. as sinners we need the spirit of God in order to have self-control in all things. This is why Jesus said what he said at Matthew 6:9-12; 1 Peter 5:6-11

Point: Luke 24:45-48; Romans 7:7-25

Hope these scriptures help. Thanks

Hi Cheryl1655. Just to add to these other good comments, in reference to "...even the Son of man which is in heaven", I agree that it should be left to how one chooses to read & understand that statement in John 3:13. To help me with this, I consider John 3:11, 12 as well: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

I note that Jesus is stating, "WE speak...WE have seen...OUR witness". Who are the WE/OUR here? Surely it can't be anyone on Earth, as none present with Jesus or even seen in the Old Testament have ever spoken of or seen those mysterious things of Heaven. But 'in very Truth', Jesus states that there is a Divine Presence both in Heaven & now on Earth that has made such mysteries & Truths known to man.

So when Jesus states, "...even the Son of Man which is in heaven", the already perplexed Nicodemus is hit with an almost uncomprehendable Character of God & this Man before him stating that He was in Heaven, now here as a Son of man, who still has a Presence in Heaven. Even though there is insufficient Scripture to state precisely what Jesus was trying to indicate to Nicodemus, it seems that we won't be far from the Truth, that Jesus by coming to Earth, laid aside His Glory (see John 17:5; Philippians 2:7; Hebrews 2:9), so that He could take on flesh & live as a Man. But where did He leave His Glory, that He take on a position beneath God's Holy angels? I feel that this Divine Person of the Godhead left that part of His Majesty in Heaven, while He walked this Earth as the humble Servant of men. To Nicodemus this would have been inconceivable, but Jesus' always held His Presence in Heaven as on Earth - His contact with His Father & His angels were separated only by position, not by relationship & possession. Likewise, our relationship to the Godhead must also be.

Jimbob throw that concordence away....Its the H.G. that is the real Saint...We are just a joint heir with the H.G as the gift of God is the H.G. the only real Saint...And elect not man as Paul said in my flesh dwells no good thing....We are not saints but we can be a joint heir with a Saint which is the GIFT OF GOD THE H.G...If we are bornagain ....And this Saint has to be born in us....Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit the H.G....We be just a joint heir if we are the bride....I know that the bible refers to many as Saints but it was b/c they had the gift of the H.G.....The flesh is just a joint heir with Christ the H.G.... Romans 8:17....We are heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ. ( the gift of the H.G.)....Let the anointing teach you which is the H.G. the gift of God....You need no man teach you the anointing you have received of him the H.G. will teach you all things... 1 john 2:27....And he is our only Saint and gift of God....At the marriage supper of the lamb we will all be made 1 with the H.G....The flesh and the spirit will be made 1...That was his prayer in john 17:21 That we might all be made 1...

well continue reading the word. john 17:3

Several passages in Revelation refer to those who "dwell on the earth." These are those who are not written in the Book of Life and who will take the Mark of the Beast.

All of us are asked to be in the world but not of it as believers. ( John 17:15-21). That which appeals to the flesh is not of God and the flesh and the Spirit contend with one another ( Galatians 5:17). We understand this in light of the fact that we are not to think that anything done in the flesh is inherently evil as those who accused Christ of being a "glutton and winebibber" ( Matt. 11:19). Marriage is honorable and the marriage bed undefiled ( Heb. 13:4); but God judges all those who go outside of the parameters God has set forth as indicated by the rest of that passage. We see more of this in the book of Corinthians ( 1 Cor. 10:31) to give glory to God whenever we eat or drink or do anything else.

In this world; the spirits of disobedience ( Eph. 2:2) and the Prince of the power of the air were who we were subjected to. 2 Corinthians 4:4 states that the god of this world has blinded men's minds to the truth. We should as believers hold fast to the promises of God in regard to verses such as Luke 10:19 as to Christ's victory over Satan and his minions. What the enemy can do; however is gain legal access into our lives with unconfessed sins; and destroy our testimony. I think I can say fairly confidently that the warfare in Ephesians 6 is almost always increased once one truly is saved; and particularly when the Lord has great plans in our lives. Great; of course is defined as important for His Kingdom not necessarily seen or acknowledged by anyone; or just a few should we need encouragement.

We should expect that much physical; emotional and mental suffering in our lives is due to interference from these entities. It is hard to extricate spiritual warfare in regard to the wounds on the soul and those on our physical body. I will elaborate on victory in future posts.

Glad that you are joining us in a spiritual conversation. The bible isn't a hidden secret.

it is Jehovah's ( psalm 83:18) will for believers to understand and bear fruit.

2Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 7:7,8; Mark 4:20; John 17:3

Hi Justjay & thanks for your question. You asked about Mark 14:17-21 about Judas' betrayal of Jesus. In John 17:6-19 (in Jesus' prayer to His Father, just prior to this betrayal by Judas), Jesus prayed for His disciples & in particular v12: "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled". Jesus, of course was referring to Judas as the "son of perdition", but was declaring that Judas, as a disciple, would be lost because of the fulfillment of Scripture.

So yes, God is All-knowing & certainly Jesus knew about Judas' betrayal even before he was appointed amongst the twelve, but through that Divine Knowledge, the prophecy had already been made approx 1000 years earlier (in Psalm 41:9). See also Psalm 55:12-15; Psalm 69:25; and Psalm 109:6-8: these passages also allude to the one who would ultimately betray Jesus. And the Apostle Peter also refers to Psalm 69:25, in his message in Acts 1:20. So yes, this betrayal was pre-ordained, in accordance with prophecy. And there could be other reasons why God permitted/ordained this to happen. Reasons such as proof of the veracity of God's Word & Power, a powerful testimony to the disciples of true discipleship & faithfulness in spite of doubts & Satan's taunts, and even to Judas, of his harboring great sin & allowing it to be manifested to the point of killing the Messiah. Jesus had to die to pay the ransom for our sins, "but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born" ( Matthew 26:24).

Should we then feel sorry for Judas, thinking 'this poor man was ordained to pre-mature death & had not choice in the matter?' No, Judas acted because of his own wickedness (not forced upon him by God); Judas because of his sin, fulfilled the prophecy & Plan of God for him & Jesus' Sacrifice.

Part 5.

Assurance of salvation, cont.

In the gospels we read the story of Judas. A disciple, an apostle, he baprized new believers in water like the rest ( John 4:2), he was given authority over the Spirit to perform miracles and healings ( Luke 9:6), cast out demons, he was sent by Jesus to preach salvation ( Matthew 10:5-15), he was told that he, together with the rest, in the Judgement will sit on a throne and judge the 12 tribes of Israel. But in the midtime Judas allowed his heart to love money more than Jesus and eventually his love for money led him to become Jesus' trator. Why? Because his heart deceived him. People who hold the belief that salvation can not be lost try to overcome Judas' example by saying that he wasn't actually saved. for that they use the verse in John 17:12, "While I (Jesus) was with them (the 12) in the world, I kept them in thy name (Saviour): those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." So a sinful man, not saved, was sent to preach salvation to Israel? Was given gifts of healing and performing miracles? A son of satan who casts out devils? Really? No, not really. What Jesus says is that he managed to save all but Judas because Judas took the decision for himself to become a traitor, a son of perdition, like the Scriptures said and so the prophesy was fulfilled. And something else. Even if Judas never betrayed Jesus, still the Jews would capture Him sometime, one way or another. Judas wasn't their only choise.

Another example of a man who let his heart deceive him is Demas, a companion of Paul during his ministry. But eventually he left Paul, 2 Timothy 4:10, "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; ...". Demas eventually loved the sinful world more than God and left Paul. Who was Demas? We don't really know. But we know that Paul was very strict when he selected his partners in the ministry.

Brother SSpencer:

It's God; the WORD, that says we will be gods.

Psalms 82:6 I (the WORD) have said, Ye are gods the children of the most high.

Are these God's words.

Just because you don't believe those words doesn't make those words not true.

John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be ONE, as we are ONE.

You believe the Father and son are ONE, and they both are Gods, YET you denied that WE being ONE with the Father and son makes us a god also.

I don't understand how you can say these scripture mean something else, they are very plain and straight forward.

God Bless you.

Yes Jema:

God has given you a new name.

The resurrection made all things NEW, including your name.

Isaiah 62:2 ...... and thou shall be called by a new name ....

Revelation 2:17 ...and I will give him a white stone, and in that stone a NEW NAME written, which no man knoweth but he that RECEIVETH it.

Revelation 3:12 ...and i will write upon him my new name ...

If you don't YET know your new name, the word of God tells you what that name is.

You were married to Christ by his and your resurrection TOGETHER, the bride takes the name of her husband,

You were baptised in the NAME of Jesus.

There was only ONE BODY raised at the resurrection, and that ONE BODY was given LIFE by ONE SPIRIT.

1 Corinthians 12:27 NOW you are the body of Christ .....

Luke 8:11 .... the SEED is the WORD OF GOD .....

Isaiah 59:21 And this is my covenant with them (YOU), saith the Lord, the words that I (the Father) have put in your (Christ's) mouth, shall not depart out of your (Christ is the WORD, the SEED) mouth, nor out of thy SEED (your born again by the WORD of GOD----you become SEED) nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED (your are going to bear fruit---SEED), saith the Lord, from henceforth (the resurrection) and forever.

You are the BODY OF CHRIST.

Revelation 19:16 And he had on his vesture and on his thigh (body) written, THE LORD OF LORDS AND THE KING OF KINGS

Revelation 19:13 ...and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD ....

Revelation 1:1 The REVELATION (the revealing) of Jesus Christ .....

Revelation 1:11 .... I AM .... the first (man) ....I AM .... the last (man)

Exodus 3:13 .... I AM that I AM .... I AM hath sent ME to YOU ....

John 17:22 ...and the GLORY that thou has given me, I have GIVEN THEM ....that they may be ONE as we are ONE ...

You were given a NEW NAME, a gift of GOD, by the death and resurrecting of CHRIST.

God bless you.

Jerman:

In the first part of Genesis the creation is a prophecy of the new heaven and new earth in Revelation.

Adam was put in a deep sleep; the word uses sleep as death, so Adam DIED and God took a rib; a bone, from Adam and made a WOMAN, the same woman in Revelation 12, we became the flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone.

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created (by the resurrection and NEW CREATION) he them; and blessed them, and called their NAME ADAM (we are baptised in his name), in the day they were created.

The resurrection made all things NEW; the new heaven and the new earth, ONE BODY arose, ONE SPIRIT gave that BODY LIFE we are all that NEW BODY and LIVE by that ONE SPIRIT.

John 17:21 That they (the NEW creation) may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they (the NEW creation) may be ONE, as we are ONE.

All this was done before the foundations of the world.

You can't put a time line; God is eternal, no beginning and no end, the WORD always was; you ALWAYS were, you just had no KNOWLEDGE, of your being ONE with the WORD, OUR time in the flesh is to bring us to TRUTH, we are ONE with our GOD.

He is the LIGHT; the SUN, were are the MOON, that reflects that LIGHT.

Look at Genesis with the mind of Christ; remember GOD'S WORD, seeing they SEE NOT.

You can't use eyes of flesh.

God bless you.

Hi GiGi,

Hope you and your husband are well, thanks for your reply, I agree Jesus will return bodily not as a spirit, the glorified body in which He was resurrected, as we will be resurrected, Phil. 3:20-21. This mortal must put on immortality, our spiritual body,

1 Cor. 15:44-53.

I know it will be amazing to see Him face to face and as we see in Revelation 21:22-23 the new Jerusalem on the new earth will not have a temple and no need for the sun or moon for light, for God and the Lamb/Jesus will be the temple and the light. John 17:5 I don't know if our minds can even imagine what that glory is, or what it looks like, but we will know when we see Him.

I wanna be there, don't you?

God bless,

RLW

Hello Ronald,

To add to your response I would agree that Jesus will return coming on the clouds, but also, and most importantly, He will return bodily, not as a spirit, but with flesh and bones as He showed to Thomas. There will be a difference in that His human body will be glorified, as Paul discovered on the road to Damascus, shining blindingly. But we will welcome His return and glorification as we, too, will be changed, our bodies, whether resurrected or alive at the time, will be glorified.

Jesus not only received a glorified human body upon His resurrection, but when He ascended to heaven He received back from the Father His eternal glory as the only begotten Son of God, in whom the fullness of deity dwells eternally. ( John 14:7, 10;

John 17:5) So, when He returns He will be most glorious. We will be glorified as humans, but He will be glorified as being both human and divine. How amazing it will be to behold Him in all of His glory and see Him face to face!

Salvation by man, or salvation by God?

(Part 3):

Paul writes on the same subject, in Galatians 5:17, "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are opposing to one another; in order that you should not do what you want." These scriptures show that believers cannot be taken away from Christ by the flesh, because the Spirit of God is dwelling within to prevent that from happening.

Jesus Himself said, as recorded in John 6:37, "All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and the one coming to me I will never cast out." He goes on to say, in John 6:39, "And this is the will of the Father who has sent me, in order that of all which he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up in the last day."

Also, in His prayer to the Father, as recorded in John 17:11-12, Jesus said, "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given to me, in order that they may be one, as we are. When I was with them in the world, I was keeping them in your name; the ones who you have given to me I kept, and none of them perished, except the son of perdition; in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled."

I emphasize the permanency of salvation because the bible teaches that God is the one who saves, and He does so from out of His mercy. According to Paul, in Ephesians 2:8, grace, faith, and salvation are gifted from God. John says, in John 1:13, believers "were born, not from blood, nor from the will of the flesh, nor from the will of man, but from God." Therefore, according to Scripture, a human being cannot save him/herself.

Pierre1939 I think I would rather take the Word of God ((as it is written)) AS TRUTH Pierre as to take your interpretation of what you think it is saying as truth. (Pro 30:5-6) v5 "EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE". v6 ADD THOU NOT UNTO HIS WORDS, lest he reprove thee, AND THOU BE FOUND A LIAR. You are changing the Word of God like those Words have very little meaning. In ( Jer 23:36) The word (perverted) is # 2015; it means to change. You are perverting, changing the Word of God like those Words have no clear meaning. ( John 14:23) "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him". Are you keeping His Words Pierre? No you are not keeping His Words, you are (changing His Words) ( John 17:17) Tells us "Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH. Those who add to or take away from His Words are warned of this in ( Rev 22:18-19) We should be very, very careful in treating the Word of God as if the (Words) have little meaning. ( Ps 12:6-7) The words of the LORD are pure words. No offence Pierre, but I believe these verses are 100% TRUTH. They need not to be changed by what we think they are saying. Let the Word of God speak for itself. Truth matters. Blessings.

STU,

In John 17:16, Jesus said, "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world."

Wow! Just as Christ was in it, but was not of it, we also are in it, but we are not of it, which is why when we try to go back out into the world, we don't fit in. Have you ever heard anyone say something like, "Ever since I became a Christian, ever since I surrendered to Christ, I don't fit in anymore with the old crowd, or the old activities?" They try to fit in, but then they are told that they are different now. They try to fit in with the non-believing crowd, and they have difficulty doing so. Some even lose friends and family.

That's because we are no longer of the world. Our source of life is Christ. We are experiencing ZOE life in the midst of BIOS people. Them who are of this world are only existing like animals exist! The highest level of life that a human being can reach without Christ is a sophisticated animal. A person can go to college, they can be trained how to act pretty sophisticated, but a life without Christ is an empty life, a worldly life. But just as Jesus said He is not of this world; we also are not of this world if we belong to Him.

Hey S Spencer,

I thought you were on vacation and was not looking for your response, hope ya'll had a good time. What do these verses mean to me? John 17:22-23, the first thing that I see is John 3:16, God's love. He sent His only begotten Son into this world to die for us so that we who are called believe. God's Word, the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God.

The will of the Father that sent His only begotten Son who did the will of the One who sent Him that we may know the only true God. John 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The antichrist denies this. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

John 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

May we be as one, one body in love, all working together as Ephesians 4:11-16, and not as Ephesians 4:17-19. It starts with repentance, if one cannot see the need to repent, there is no hope of salvation.

God bless,

RLW

John 17:22-23.

what does these verses mean to you?

1 john 2:5-6.

but whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of god perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

this is a condition exercised by the influence of the lord being in you!!

so this is uniquely performed amongst brothern!!

john 13:34-35.

a new commandment i give unto you, that ye love one another; as i have loved you, that ye also love one another.

( by this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.)

this is salvation at work!!

you shall know them by their fruit! matthew 7:13-23.

one can profess to believe in a grace based relationship with christ or even deceive themselves to believing they have a grace relationship with christ but can't display the fruit associated with what they claim to be truth.

this is not christ "in you"

however, there's the spirit of antichrist in th world.

1 john 2:18.

little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

this is why we examine ourselves.

they lack fruit!

1) they hate the brothern.

2)thet dont inwardly have what's mentioned in galatians 5:22-23.

"love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

they that are christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

contrary to fruit is;

idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

if we live in the spirit, let us also walk in the spirit.

let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

sadly a part of eschatology that won't last a week.

god bless.

Hi Natasha St John! If you read in Revelation 7:4-8 It explains that the 144,000 are out of the 12 tribes of Israel. As we read on starting with verse 9 we see that the nations that make up the rest of the world, that have their garments washed white in the blood of the Lamb, are a multitude that no man could number. So the 144,000 are only those that God has sealed, out of the 12 tribes of Israel. Now we know because God's Word is truth and there is a thread in the bible. Isaiah 64:6 says that all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. In Matthew 7:21-23 says that God will say depart from me ye workers of iniquity. Also in

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 it says, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. And in Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So by fallowing the thread of the Bible we can clearly see that the 144,000 are only out of the 12 tribes of Israel, they are washed in the blood of the Lamb and sealed by God. The rest of the world is the multitude that no man can number and is also washed in the blood of Christ Jesus.

I hope this answers your question.

I always try to remember these verses; 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

GiGi:

I seldom ever say anything without quoting scripture.

I am more than happy to have you show where that scripture is not true, but use scripture not what man says.

You don't believe Psalms 82:6 ye are Gods ..

You believe Christ is God; ONE with the Father, and the Father is God, one with Christ.

John 17:21 That they all may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may be ONE even as we are ONE IN US ....

Colossians 1:27 ....Christ in you ....

Why if the father and son are ONE and they are God, would not you believe we are God if we are the same ONE IN THEM.

Why don't you believe these scriptures, because they don't fit the teaching of MAN, that's why.

Whose right: MAN or God's WORD?

Rebut with scripture.

God Bless YOU!

Mervis Newby"

There is not a person; other than Christ, that has not blasphemed God's name.

It's all about coming to "TRUTH" so we don't blaspheme his name.

It's all about what Christ did for us at HIS resurrection and coming to that "TRUTH".

You DIED with Christ, you were resurrected with Christ.

You and Christ become ONE by that resurrection, you were married to Christ, by that resurrection, you became the wife of Christ, by that resurrection, by marriage you NOW BEAR the NAME OF CHRIST.

You were baptised by the Holy Spirit IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou gavest ME, I have GIVEN to THEM (my wife), that THEY may be ONE even as WE are ONE.

Colossians 1:27 ...this MYSTERY ....of the HIS resurrection ...... CHRIST IN YOU ......

BELIEVE what God did for YOU, and you will never blaspheme GOD'S NAME.

God BLESS YOU!

Amen, Amen Nacol1900:

We are the exactness of Christ, and the kingdom is VERY PHYSICAL; just not the physical that the eye of flesh can see.

We are still with CHILD until we depart this body (the RAPTURE, gathered one by one).

Then we PUT ON CHRIST; not only immortal LIFE, but also an omnipresent BODY.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the new creation) DIED ANYMORE: for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS (omnipresent); and are the CHILDren of GOD, being the CHILDren of the Resurrection.

THE MAN Jesus Christ ....is the BODY of the of the HOLY GHOST ...... OMNIPRESENT ....He is THE ANGEL .... we don't give up our body, we just exchange the MORTAL for the IMMORTAL (the RAPTURE).

Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE BODY ...... ONE SPIRIT .....

John 17:22 And the glory that thou GAVEST ME, I have GIVEN to THEM (the new CHILD), that they may be ONE even as we are ONE.

John 1:51 ....hereafter (the resurrection) you shall see (not with the physical eye) heaven open (the BODY of man) and the angels ascending and descending of the Son of man (the new creation)---- CHRIST IN YOU ----

Isaiah 60:22 And a little one (Christ) shall BECOME a THOUSAND, a small one (Christ) a STRONG NATION (Israel).

God Bless YOU!

Jimbob:

When did you become a NEW CREATION?

You were raised a NEW CREATION with Christ; HIS RESURRECTION, was also YOUR RESURRECTION.

That was 2000 years ago; but he has GIVEN us his words and spirit of TRUTH, to UNDERSTAND what he did FOR US; HIS GIFT TO US, 2000 years ago.

Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ and those WORKS HE DID, it's not future it's past. There is nothing left to be done BUT BELIEVE THE WORK'S of HIS (and your) CROSS.

Revelation 20:5 Blessed and Holy is he who hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION, it has ALREADY HAPPENED, your were saved before you were even born.

Your were saved from death 2000 years ago, your were predestined, by his resurrection, to be a SON of GOD, 2000 years ago.

There is no 7 year reign of a single antichrist, there has been 2000 years of antichrist reigning; because they don't believe God's Words: the WORK'S of GOD.

If you do't believe God's Words, you will die in your SIN, UNBELIEF, and have to be raise back to your unbelieving flesh and judged again by GOD'S WORDS.

John 16:8 And when he IS COME (Christ's second coming, as the spirit of TRUTH and spirit of PROPHECY, the HOLY GHOST) he will reprove the world of SIN, and of RIGHTEOUSNESS, and JUDGEMENT:

John 16:9 "OF SIN", because they believe not on me ----THE WORD(s).

When you close your eyes and take your last breath you are raptured at that instant into the presence of God.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath IMMORTALITY .....

1 Corinthians 15:54 ...this mortal SHALL HAVE PUT on IMMORTALITY ... HIS GIFT ...

John 17:22 ....that they may BE ONE, as we are ONE .....

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE, O ye children of (the promised) ISRAEL (Christ).

God Bless YOU!

Ian:

John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life.

Anti means to be opposite that scripture.

A person believes his Life is himself, instead of the LIFE being GOD IN YOU.

The person believes they have FREE WILL.

If you have come to truth you understand that since God is the LIFE IN YOU, it's God's WILL being done IN YOU

There is NO SINGLE antichrist, just millions of antichrist.

1 John 2:18 ....and you have heard that antichrist shall come, even NOW are there many (millions) of antichrist

2 John 1:7 .....who confess not Jesus IS COME in the FLESH .....Christ CAME ONCE, and has already come the SECOND TIME: IN THE FLESH, you can't see him, he came like a thief in the night. The KINGDOM is not in OBSERVATION but UNDERSTANDING.

John 17:22 ....that they may be one, even as we are one ....

Because of the WORKS of the resurrection; ALL FLESH died with Christ, and ALL FLESH rose with Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:27 YOU ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST ....

BELIEVE: Christ has COME IN the flesh: YOU and I and ALL.

Colossisns 1:27 .....THIS MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU .......

Isaiah 28:1 .... that he may do his work (the WORK OF HIS CROSS), his STRANGE WORK, his ACT his STRANGE ACT .....

A NEW CREATION

FEW believe this, it makes for many antichrist.

God Bless YOU!

Mel8:

There is only ONE "ism": Bapt"ism" in(to) the NAME of Christ (submerged into LIVING WATER); your his wife, he has GIVEN YOU his NAME, you have BECOME ONE, as he and the Father are ONE.

Numbers 6:27 And they shall put MY NAME upon the children of ISRAEL (Christ is the promised SEED of Israel): and I will Bless Them.

2 Samuel 7:13 And He (Christ) shall BUILD a house for MY NAME, and I will establish the throne of the kingdom forever.

Isaiah 43:7 Everyone that is called by MY NAME; for I HAVE CREATED him for MY GLORY, I have formed him, I have made him.

John 17:22 The glory which thou gavest me I have given to them; that they may be ONE as we are ONE.

God Bless YOU!