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Hi Joshua288. We can only know who the true Jesus is, when we read about Him in the Bible. Enough is given to us to tell us Who He is & what He has accomplished for us. If there arises any other named Jesus or claims to be the real One, then he would have to have done all that the Jesus of the Bible had done. We remember the warnings given to us in the Bible, such as, 1 John 2:22,23: "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."

In this letter by John to the Churches, the person who denies the divinity of God, i.e. from out of the Person of God, proceeded the Son (called, the Word of God) and the Holy Spirit, this denier has the anti-christ spirit. They are prepared to acknowledge the historical Jesus (no one can deny that), but to believe that He is the Son of God, proceeding from God ( John 3:13; John 6:38; John 17:5), but the one who has the false spirit will refuse to believe or accept this Truth.

And many false Christs have arisen over the ages, which Jesus warned us would happen ( Matthew 24:23,24). They were all men, carnal, deceived, & now dead. Not one, nor any other in the future, can ever come close to the Jesus we read of in the Bible & if you are a Christian, to know this Jesus deep within your heart & life, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit. So, please read of the true Jesus in the Gospels & learn all you can about Him - you will find that none can ever compare to Him - none will ever love us so much as to willingly lay down His Life for us, so that we can receive salvation from our sin's penalty. All others, whether coming as a Jesus or as a Messiah of men, are all false, & can never express God's Image & Glory as the Lord Jesus Who died for us & was raised to Heaven.

Spencer Luv ya ...But you do greatly err....Spewing "man will neva be God. man will always be finite"...Have ya neva read 1st Cor..15:53...This corruption must put on incorruption and this mortality must put immortality.....We will be changed in a moment in a twinkling of the eye ...We are gonna put on immortality and incorruption....Do you not understand there is gonna be a Marriage....I saw the N.J. Coming down from heaven as bride adorned for her husband....Thus we will be married to Christ who is God the son REV 20:15....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods...Thus there will be no more finite for mankind....And the scriptures cannot be broken....Do you not feel guilty saying the words of our lord are Heresy....You are in essence saying the words of our lord are herical and sinister...I pray for you....I should not have to tells ya this but a marriage is when 2 are made 1....Rememeber his prayer in John 17:21...Father make them 1 as we are 1...Which is the mariage supper of the lamb....Which is also the 2 nd coming....

Hi Maureen,

I'm not aware of any Bible verses saying the KJV is the only Word of God. There's verses saying God's Word is truth like John 17:17 but not specific to one translation.

I believe the Bible is God's inspired Word. I believe He speaks truth through the holy spirit and through us reading and seeking Him. People are imperfect; God is perfect.

I don't believe KJV is the only true Bible. The reason I believe this is that it wasn't written in English originally. Am I to believe the original languages of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic are somehow less accurate than an English translation? A translation by definition can't be more accurate or more truthful than that which it was translated from.

Because humans are flawed imperfect beings we can make mistakes. I'm not saying the KJV has mistakes, but some translations have had printer mistakes and accidents that are documented and undeniable. That doesn't automatically mean it changes the meaning or that God can't speak His truth through it, just like KJVs having variations of what is on the cover, or study notes in the margin, or maps, or those presented online don't necessarily change the meaning of the text. But even if there were human errors present does that mean God can't still use that to speak truth to us through our seeking Him, no, I do not believe anything will hinder someone genuinely seeking God through His word. So, I don't think our imperfection invalidates God's truth in His Word.

I also don't believe in a black and white assumption that if a printer or publisher makes a mistake that the Bible is somehow 100% false and a total lie from satan. That seems extreme to me.

Likewise, call me radical, but I also think God can speak truth false teachers we see on TV, for example. They probably started off legit but were deceived and tempted and drifted off course. That doesn't mean 100% what they say is false and that God can't use our weakness to reach souls. God does miracles.

Mark 16:15-18.

Greta,

My apology. That was Hebrews 2:4, not Verse 2.

Greta Murphy,

Mark 16:17 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"



New tongues means new languages, known languages!

Mark 16:18 says, "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

And then Mark 16:19-20 gives us the confirmation of the word.

And all these things in Verses 16-17 were done. But please notice these next two verses carefully ( Mark 16:19-20):

"So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen."

Hebrews 2:2 tells us that when the apostles went out and preached that there were signs that followed in order to establish the apostles preaching as the gospel of God. And that is what he is saying here.



We know that there are various signs that were worked by Jesus through the disciples in order to confirm the message they were hearing is the gospel. It doesn't say everybody, that every person that believes down through history is going to manifest all these various things, but rather for the confirmation of the establishment of the Word of God, which we have with us today.

Hope this helps!

In which gospel does Jesus say "these are the signs that will be associated with believers".

Some things can't be understood. I have a few thoughts here in regard to Satan's creation and fall that may be helpful.

Satan himself was created as all things as God desired; origimally as we can see from both Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 as a "Cherubim" and song worship position to glorify God in heaven. He clearly had free will; and also clearly saw spiritual realities so that he chose to rebel after becoming proud; then drew 1/3 of the angels after him ( Rev. 12:4).

God foreknew the need for the adversary for one clear reason; to test His saints as to their loyalties. Job apparently was unaware of the heavenly discussions going on with Satan and God and that Satan was the source of his troubles. Nonetheless; He tested what Satan had accused Job of; namely cursing God when things didn't go well as well as when his body was afflicted with boils.

This testing of character could also be evident when the "thorn in the flesh" that Paul had WAS clear as to its source; nonetheless GSod's grace was sufficient and He was NOT granted the healing he prayed for 3 times. ( 2 Cor. 12:7-10).

Secondly; it is necessary to lay down our lives sacrificially for the Lord or "carry our crosses daily." ( Luke 9:23). God used Satan to bring forth the "son of Perdition" with Judas Iscariot ( John 17:12 prophesied in Psalms 109:8 and elsewhere); as well as testing Peter in Matthew 16:23. Since Satan has been granted temporary authority in this world; He has been allowed both with false doctrines and outward persecution to test the saints; and ultimately; of course the Antichrist will be used when the whole world goes through its trial ( Rev. 3:10). As God draws all men to Himself (that are His sheep); He uses Satan as a "dragnet" to draw the whole world to eventually fight Christ ( Psalm 2; Rev. 19) as well as take the Mark of the Beast and worship him.

Rewards for the saints; therefore are procured through a conflict and resistance. Spiritual warfare is where victories are won.

The mark of the Beast cannot come until Antichrist comes; is worshipped by all the unregenerate; a mark is given for allegiance to him; and a death penalty is worldwide for those who will not recieve it. The allegiance will be to the man who appears to have a deadly wound then is healed from it. This prophecy can be found in Zechariah 11:17 as well as in Revelation 13. This will appear to be immortality as a type of false Resurrection as it were. The son of perdition in John 17:2 as well as 2 Thessalonians are describing the fate of Judas Iscariot; and the second verse Antichrist. These two individuals are both directly controlled by Satan; although technically the possession of the Beast is due to Apollyon king of the bottomless pit the way I see it in Revelation 9:11 which means; among other things the destroyer.

There are certainly foreshadowings today technologically speaking; and the genetic AI concept likely will also involve some sort of DNA alteration assuring eternal life for those taking it. I take chronologically most of Revelation; bolstered by "after these things" used so frequently. There will clearly be a false one world religion that will ride the beast at first; and this will be overturned at the Midpoint of the Trib. ( Rev. 17:16); as Satan only wants worship for himself. There will be a process where it appears all men will praise God after the Rapture in Revelation 5:13. I haven't heard it preached but we must remember there is the Resurrection of all the church saints; so even if the Rapture isn't seen by some the partially empty graveyards can't be denied. At any rate; men's hearts will harden to the point where they fear God and are aware of judgment coming at the sixth seal; and later on dthey will blaspheme God and attempt eventually to fight God (see also Psalm 2; Rev. 19). BTW God's people are also "sealed" ( Eph. 1:13); as well as the 144,000 ( Rev. 7:1-8) invisibly.

Hello again Gerald. I agree that to endeavor to gain deeper and truer understanding of the Godhead is treading on holy ground.

But I do think that He wants us to go there. And I do think this forum is a most appropriate place to bring forward truth about

Him. With the vast array of topics that arise on this forum, those that address the nature and Being of God come along too

infrequently. He is the object of our faith, the One we worship, so learning more and more about Him is every so beneficial.

Knowing Him in truth through the Spirit really is vital to our faith, for to learn falseness about Him is from another spirit and

leads us to worship a god who is not Him who revealed Himself to us in Scripture, history, and in the physical universe.

We are to worship God with all of our being, so employing our God-given mind and its capacities to apprehend Him more and

more is doing just that. This is what our minds were made for and since our minds have been sanctified along with the rest of

us, we should be pursuing knowledge of God, which is what Jesus said is eternal life in John 17:3. Of course, it is not just with

our intellect that we know Him, but with our hearts and soul and whole being as well.

Thanks for your reply.

Hey Richard.

I read your posts, but I do not reply as much anymore but if I may. The statement Jesus was fully God and fully man, I have heard others say as well. From the time Jesus was born until He was resurrected and ascended back to heaven can this be truly said?

We read in John 17:1-5, shortly before Jesus was arrested, He prayed to the Father to be restored. Jesus left it all behind for us, the only begotten Son of God. The Bible does not clarify what that glory is, but whatever it was, it was lacking in Him while He was human. Jesus came as a human being and had to deal with life as we do, Heb. 4:15, and was obedient to the Father, Phil. 2:6-9.

Jesus was sent to fulfill the law and the prophets only man could do that. Jesus is the Messiah/Christ that God promised and sent, the Anointed One, the only begotten Son of God, and when He was baptized, He was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure to do the will of the Father that sent Him, Matt. 10:40 Luke 4:18 John 3:34-35 John 5:30-31 John 17:21.

Jesus is now back in heaven with the glory He had at the right hand of the Father and will reign until all enemies are put under His feet, 1 Cor 15:25 and we know the last one is death, Rev 20:14.

There is no other name above His, Phil. 2:9 and no other name where there is salvation, Acts 4:12.

God bless,

RLW

Sister Gigi:

Ephesians 4:4 .... One Spirit ..... One body ......

Ephesians 4:6 One God, and Father of ALL .....who is above all, and through all, and IN YOU all.

Isaiah 14:16 Come ye near unto me (the man Christ Jesus), hear ye this, I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there am I (the man, Christ Jesus): now the LORD GOD (my father), and HIS SPIRIT hath sent me.

Isaiah 41:27 The FIRST (man, Christ Jesus) shall say to Zion .....I (the man Christ Jesus) will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE mediator between GOD and MEN, the man Christ Jesus.

1 John 2:22 ...he is antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son.

John 17:5 ...O Father, glorify me (the man, Christ Jesus) with thine own self with the glory I had with thee, before the world was.

God Bless you.

Hi Gigi.

Hebrews 10:19. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (We can now come into his presence)

1 Corinthians 6:19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (Because he abides in us.)

1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is "HE" that is in you, than he that is in the world. (It is a "HE" that is in you that is stronger than he that is in the world.)

John 17:21-23. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I IN THEM, AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, (AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM). "The Holyspirit is God's spirit in us!

Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. (It is the father, the son, and the Holyspirit abiding in us according to these scriptures.) AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.

Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

With so many scriptures like this given a would be confusing if there were no trinity.

The way you have explained it often is well represented by scripture.

God bless you.

Hiya Billybob...Gbu but you may want to check out John 17:5 KJV....Father, Glorify thou me with thine own self even with the Glory i had with you b/f the world was...Jesus said that all men are to honor the Son even as we honor the father....He that honoreth not the son honoreth not the Father that has sent him...And Philippians 2:6 He, Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to God his FATHER....And Billy,... Jesus has the Power to propagate very God in us humans....When he breathe on them ( his words were his Breath/his seeds )... he said receive YE the H.G....And the H.G. is also God...Jesus was not only God the son but he has the power to propagate very God in humanity....In Genisis 1:28 Every thing has to Multiply/reproduce after its kind thats y the sower wants to sow his precious seed in us,...Initiating a birth of Christ in us..Our new birth..Thats y he has to know us,...Thats when that good seed is sown in us thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. That Child of promise...That was the great Promise of the Multiplication of Christ as the stars of heaven in multitude....Thats y we refer to the H.G. as the Promise the H.G. IS THE MULTIPLCATION OF CHRIST IN US VIS HIS SEEDS HIS WORDS HIS BREATH...

.....And he said to whom the Word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods....impling the gift of God, the H.G. WHICH IS THE CHILD of PROMISE....Remember when God made that great Promise of multiplication he swore by himself....Thus the Gift of GOD, the H.G. is also God..A living being that is gonna be born in US via the seeds of Jesus...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD YOU WILL IN NO WISE ENTER THERE IN..OK LEMME GO...When Jesus said whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me....Thats the H.G. the manchild that has to be born in us that is gonna rule all nations...The H.G. cannot be born in us without his seed the words of the book of life...Thus he has to know us...the new birth requires his seed

My Civil Leaders here in the USA offended me as a minor in the 70s and my Civil Leaders are offending me today...

Jesus says this about them:

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Luke 17:2 KJV

Jesus said this to his Father:

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

John 17:9 KJV

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Sister Janice:

Do you understand what it means to produce after their own kind?

God said let us make man in our image.

God is Spirit, if we are (Re)created in his image, we also become Spirit (God, in a glorified body, just like Christ)

Psalms 82:6 For I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendeth forth thy Spirit, they are created, thou renewest the face of the earth.

John 3:6 ... that which is born of Spirit (God) is Spirit (God).

John 17:21 That they all may be one, as thou Father, art in me, and I IN THEM ....

Colossians 1:2 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....

Romans 8:29 ....predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE of his Son ....

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

You must be born again: understand what awaits you when you leave this body of flesh.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal shall PUT ON immortality (Christ only hath immortality, we put on Christ).

1 Corinthians 15:28 ....that God may be ALL in ALL.

Ephesians 4:4 ....One Spirit (eternal life)......One Body (creation, that inherited eternal life)

God bless you.

Lori:

Do you understand what it means to produce after their own kind?

God said let us make man in our image.

God is Spirit, if we are (Re)created in his image, we also become Spirit (God, in a glorified body, just like Christ)

Psalms 82:6 For I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

John 3:6 ... that which is born of Spirit (God) is Spirit (God).

John 17:21 That they all may be one, as thou Father, art in me, and I IN THEM ....

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....

Romans 8:29 ....predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE of his Son ....

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

You must be born again: do you understand what awaits us when we leave this body of flesh.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal shall PUT ON immortality (Christ only hath immortality, we put on Christ).

God bless you.

No, it's not compulsory to close your eyes, even as Jesus looked up to Heaven to pray to His Father (with open eyes): John 17:1. But if our eyes are closed, it does help to focus on the Lord & on what we're saying so we don't get distracted. Some people even kneel & clasp their hands as part of their approach before God & to maintain focus.

Hey Someone, who cares,

Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.

Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40 Mark 9:37 Luke 10:16 John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.

We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16 Mark 1:10 Luke 3:22 John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16 John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:16 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.

A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.

These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.

God bless,

RLW

Are Named and Identified one in the same bcause Many of us see how The anti-christ Is named Identified in the Bible

Ezekiel 25:18 God has named, judged and sentenced to death when He say's He will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Start @ Ezekiel 28:12 The King of Tyrus is the example, he is also the dragon, the beast who ascends out of the bottomless pit, and goes into perdition in Revelation 17:8

John 17:12 identifies him as the one who is lost, the son of perdition.

perdition:Loss of the soul; eternal damnation.Hell.Utter ruin

2 Thessalonians 2:3 The Son of Perdition

Hi Aljenon.

I would say the spirit.

Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24.

I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. John 16:28.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, WHICH IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, he hath declared him. John 1:18.

God is spirit, Jesus came forth from that Spirit, and we are baptized by that spirit.

John 17:22-23. ppAnd the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Thanks Alex. I agree with parts of your comment, but if your belief is that Jesus mass produces gods like a factory equal to the one and only God, then no, that is not what I believe or is what the Bible says. This may not be your belief at all, but it is of others I've noticed on this forum so I'll explain...

Gen 26:4 is regarding the seed and lineage from Abraham. It's talking about people, not gods. He's giving countries to people, not gods, for example.

If the comment is referring to 'gods' as in Psalms 82:6, Acts 7:40, notice it uses lower case 'g'. The word God is not used in the same manner as the one true God uppercase, but plural lowercase, which indicates a metaphor for His followers having characteristics of His authority. Psalm 82:1 demonstrates the difference.

If believers can be metaphorically considered 'gods,' how much more is the One whom God has chosen and sent ( John 10:34-36)?

Before believers start running around assuming they're deities from these few select verses (exactly what satan wants), the scripture must also be balanced with the entire context of other scripture in God's Word, such as:

Rom 13:1-4 - calls followers the "minister of God", that all power comes from God, but all are subject to God's "higher powers".

John 17:3

James 4:7

1 Peter 5:6

Romans 13:1

Romans 12:1-2

etc.

God bless

Jesus' prayer: John 17, note; John 17:15,17,18,20,23,

Matthew 5:14,16, in context Matthew 5,

2Corinthians 1:3-5, 1Thessalonians 5:11,14, in context 1Thessalonians 5,

Hopefully these help with your question of why

The Epistle/Letter to the Romans teaches the reader to obey the "powers that be" in the world.

The Apostles did not believe Jesus taught them to obey the "powers that be"; as evidenced by the fact that they disobeyed them:

Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Acts 5:28-29

It appears you are trying to marry the two gospels together; one must choose one or the other:

"...if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." 2 Corinthians 11:4

Jesus has prophesied that he will tell all the workers of iniquity (sinners) to depart from him:

"I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity." Luke 13:27

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. Luke 15:7

Jesus claims there are two distinct groups of human beings:

"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." John 17:9

The world aka the "powers that be" aka workers of iniquity aka sinners only comprise one group.

The other group are the sheep who pray with Jesus: "thy will be done on earth" and "lead us not into temptation".

Psalm(s) 14 and 53 also speak of two distinct groups of human beings:

The "workers of iniquity" who eat up God's People as they eat up bread;

and "God's People" who are being eaten up like bread.

We don't sin with our mind and our flesh.

We have been commanded to love the LORD our God with all our heart, all our mind, all our strength, and all our soul.

He is able to keep us from sinning. He teaches us to ask him for his will.

Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand (is not mine) to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as WE are.

Revelation 6:2-4 The red horse

The first seal involves a rider with a bow but no arrows. We need to read Daniel to see more specific descriptions of this "man of intrigue" who "through peace destroys many" and "divides the land for gain." He apparently is into the occult as he "understands dark sentences." It appears there are other clues about his character with the "Assyrian" in Isaiah; the descriptions of the fatal wound that occurs later in his career in Zechariah; and even some hints that are in Habakkuk as to his character; and those describing the "son of perdition" that describe both Judas Iscariot and Christ. (See also 2 Thessalonians 2:3; John 17:12).

In any event; there will be a period of illusory peace as verse 2 describes it being "taken from the earth." It wouldn't be all that surprising that for a short time the world is in such a state of shock from the Rapture/Resurrection that they are relatively submissive to the "man with the answers." It wouldn't be surprising if he promised not only world peace; but prosperity by eliminating all the nation's debt and introducing a worldwide currency such as the gold standard before the mark of the beast ( Dan. 11:43).

The red horse says nothing about armies or organized military campaigns. It has been said this is equivalent to "kingdom against kingdom" ( Matt. 24:7) indicating ethnic groups. It certainly could be the next stage or preliminary setup to the military conquests of Antichrist.

Even savage one on one combat in the end combined with famine and pestilence kills one fourth of the earth. Anyone who compares this to past events or doesn't think it is too bad compared to other judgments is seriously underplaying obvious meaning or just plain out of their minds. We may have foreshadowing now but once the birth pangs get started they continue to get worse with each wave. There is no more delay as Ezekiel 12 and Rev. 10:6 and other verses indicate.

Let's see what else God's Word has to say in regards to your snarky comment against Jesus.

A few verses before in 2 Peter 1:11 it says "Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." Do you believe Jesus is your Lord and Savior?

Do you know what "Lord" means?

The same old straw man fallacy shows up again that God the Son isn't God the Father, but no one is claiming that. This attack on Jesus is repeated so much it seems to fall into the disingenuous and lie territory.

God is powerful enough to do what you don't comprehend as a man. Whether you comprehend that or not doesn't change reality or the truth. The Bible says that in John 1 the 'word was God' and was there at the beginning, so do you believe it?

More of God's truth about God:

Luke 4:34 - "Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God."

Luke 4:12 after satan put Jesus to the test Jesus says "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD..."

Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name..."

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Godhead:

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

John 1:18

God is we and us plural:

Genesis 1:26

If the Bible flat out said Jesus is God like it does would you believe it?

Where are the verses that say Jesus isn't God the Son? (none)

Where are the verses saying Jesus IS God the Son (above, numerous)

And where are the verses where Jesus verbally denied being God? (none)

"I AM" John 8:56-59

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Matthew 1:23-25

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

Isaiah 7:14

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

Isaiah 43:11

John 17:5

John 17:21

Dear Mark,

Paul speaks in 1 Corinthians 13:13 that there are three things that remain (abide) (continue forever): faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. So I think this is a good start to laying up our treasure in heaven. Pray for God to grow these in your life. Above all this, those who believe in Jesus receive the treasure of eternal life in heaven. Jesus said that this is eternal life, that they (believers) may know God (the Father) and Jesus, His Son. John 17:3.

Also, participating with the Holy Spirit to share the Gospel and bring others into Jesus' eternal kingdom by faith is laying up the treasure of people redeemed by Him through your testimony and example of faith.

Good Afternoon, Mishael. I hope you are doing well today.

I love reading your posts. You have such a simple and clear way of sharing your thoughts.

I have often read what you say about Jesus that He set aside His deity to become human. I think you are referring to Philippians 2:5-8 were Paul says:

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God; did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death even the death on the cross." (NIV) (I don't know how to cut and paste the KJV, so you can refer to that if you wish.

This verse does not say that Jesus set aside His deity from His human person, nor that He emptied Himself of His deity as Jesus. It says He humbled Himself. I believe this verse refers to John 17:5 where Jesus said, "And now Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with you before the world was." (NIV)

With these two passages in mind, my viewpoint is that Jesus did humble Himself by divesting Himself of this glory (outward manifestation of the essence of the Godhead) when He became a human being, but He did not change His essential nature from God into a human, as God cannot change Who He essentially is. But He did leave His glory He had with the Father from all of eternity past to take onto Himself a human nature, body, soul, mind, spirit, to become Jesus. He remained 100% God with the addition of 100% human nature to become forever the God-Man Jesus Christ, our Redeemer, Savior, Mediator, and King forever.

Taking on humanity to His divinity was what humbled the Son of God. We are so familiar with Jesus being "God with us" , one of us as to His humanity, that it is easy to forget that the Godhead possesses a transcendency that is beyond our humanity in granduer, majesty, power.

John 17 and Predestination/Election

An interesting note in this chapter is in verse 14; where it is said that the world hated the Disciples. This is a departure from John 7:7 where He told them the opposite. Clearly; there was a change with understanding to the Apostles and whoever else stuck with Him; as they saw increasing resistance once miracles occurred and particularly when Christ got to the last weeks and months of His ministry when He was in a more public venue.

Verse 2 shows once again that saving faith or eternal life is given to all those given to Him (election); and verse 6 shows what we might call "perseverance of the saints". Verse 8 shows the RESULT of this that they have indeed "believed and received" them. The prayer in verse 9 further shows that the focus is not on the whole world but to believers.

Verse 15 and 16 asks His children to be kept from evil (or the evil one). The following verses (v. 17-20) basically talk about "sanctification"; with glorification in 21-24. The theme of unity also is evident; and once again verse 25 shows how the world doesn't know the Father but those to whom He has been sent know Him. Hence; our realization of truths comes from God initiating understanding. The chapter then discusses love between the Father and Christ and in His people.

We should always remember that there is a relationship; an intimate knowledge in the inner man between the Lord and individual believers. Especially in the light of our High Priest who suffered all things as we did but without sin ( Heb. 4:15). This is essentially a restoration of broken fellowship after Adam sinned; but also will lead to a superior state once we are in His presence than to where Adam was before he sinned. We will have an imperishable body; incorruptible; and without sin or the capacity to do so.