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The Apostle Paul is referencing an earlier letter he had written to the Corinthian believers (that letter doesn't exist now) in which he addressed the matter of keeping company with fornicators in the world. As you have asked, "how far do you go with that do not have nothing to do with this world", I see that it's not so much a percentage of our time, if any, that we give to the world, rather, what type of interaction we have with the world. In Paul's letter, he wrote about keeping company (or, fellowshipping) with sinners, not just sinners in the world, but those caught in sin within the Church. And Paul qualifies his statement by saying that there will always be some interaction between believers & unbelievers, because if one could manage to not connect with unbelievers, then one would have to leave this world to achieve that.
Therefore, we could say, 'we can interact with the world but not have communion (fellowship) with them'. Matters have to be discussed, trading to be carried out, people you have to work with, even the Gospel needs to be preached, with material help if needed; so we will always have & need to have contact with the world. But when the world wants us to join them in their activities, their parties or acts not becoming of Christian witness or behaviour, then we must abstain. And Paul repeats this important rule in Ephesians 5:11,12; 2 Corinthians 6:14. You might be the only Light they ever see.
Hopefully these are helpful
Man DOES NOT have free will.
Man was made to be a BODY; or a vessel.
Vessels, or bodies, have NO LIFE.
Bodies, or vessels, were made to HOLD the LIFE of GOD.
God is Spirit.
Spirit cannot be seen.
God created a BODY; Jesus Christ, that can be seen.
The body of Christ HOLDS the Life of the FATHER.
Christ came, as sinful flesh, and sinful flesh DIED on the cross, three days latter the Father resurrected, HIS (the father's) BODY, Christ.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality dwelling in the light .....
All mankind took part in that resurrection.
At some point in time God's creation will become the IMAGE (the body) of Christ.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .....Christ in you .....
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
1 Corinthians 15:38 For God GIVETH IT (his creation) A BODY as it hath PLEASED HIM, and to every SEED HIS OWN BODY ( the Father's body Christ).
HIS WILL, not man's free will, because man has NO LIFE outside of GOD, man is just the BODY of Christ (Life and Truth).
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye (his body) are gods, the children of the most high.
Psalms 136:2 O give thanks unto the GOD of gods (God's body) .....
Daniel 2:47 .....of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods ....
John 17:21 That they (the bodies) may ALL be ONE, as thou, Father are IN ME (the body), and I in thee, that they (all bodies) may be ONE IN US ....
Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE BODY ....ONE SPIRIT .....
Ephesians 4:6 .... ONE GOD ....FATHER OF ALL ....above ALL ....through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .....
Hosea 4:6 For my people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE: because thou has rejected KNOWLEDGE, I will also reject thee (his body) ......
Amos 3:3 Can TWO (the LIFE and the BODY) walk TOGETHER without being agreed?
God Bless you, his body!
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE .......
Most DO NOT have knowledge of the Kingdom of God.
Ephesians 4:4 ......ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ......
Ephesians 4:6 ....ONE GOD and Father of ALL ....above ALL ....through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .......
John 14:6 ....I AM TRUTH .....I AM LIFE ......
John 17:21 That they may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you: that they may ALSO BE ONE IN US .....
Christ is a BODY that HOLDS the LIFE of his Father.
John 5:19 ....the SON can do NOTHING of himself ....
John 5:30 ...I can of mine own self DO NOTHING .....
WE are a BODY that HOLDS CHRIST (the life and truth of our Father).
John 15:5 .... for without me you can do nothing .....
What happen at the CROSS of Calvary?
Sinful flesh was crucified (all mankind died that day); three days latter all mankind was raised a NEW CREATION.
Matthew 8:22 ...let the dead bury the dead ......
They now have the LIFE OF CHRIST:
BUT they have NO KNOWLEDGE.
1 Timothy 4:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality dwelling in the LIGHT .....
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH IT (the new creation) a body as it hath PLEASED HIM: and to every SEED HIS (Christ's) OWN BODY.
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in YOU ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that WORKETH IN YOU (his BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
To be BORN AGAIN is to come to TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE and LIFE.
Christ is the LIFE IN YOU, and Christ CANNOT SIN.
Revelation 12:9... and Satan who deceiveth the whole world was cast out ....
You are either the TEMPLE of SATAN: dwelling in deception, with no knowledge.
OR:
You are the TEMPLE of God: dwelling in truth and light and the LIFE OF CHRIST.
Psalms 82:6 For I have said: Ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods .....
We die daily to deception and are daily being born again of truth.
God Bless you!
Note : Matthew 24:8, Matthew 24:7, Matthew 24:21-24, these are Jesus Words, Matthew 24:29, " Immediately after the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:29-31,
Please note: these all also recorded as Jesus Words : Mark 13:23, Mark 13:24-27, " But in those days after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall togather his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
Revelation 6, note Revelation 6:10-11, Revelation 8, see Revelation 8:3-4, Revelation 9, Revelation 10, Note: Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11, Please notice: Revelation 11:15-19,
1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5:1-10, 2Thessalonians 1:4-10, Please note: this was written after 1Thessalonians to clarify : 2Thessalonians 2, Please read: 2Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
2Peter 2:9,
Jesus Words again, praying for all believers: John 17, notable : John 17:15 " I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."
Hopefully helpful
Finally, did Muhammed glorify Jesus in the Qur'an? Only as Prophet (Surah 33:7; Surah 5:46, & many more). He refused Jesus' Sonship (Surah 4:171; Surah 9:31). Yet, Jesus Himself spoke of His Sonship He had with His Father ( John 3:16; Matthew 11:37; John 17:1).
So trying to find any inference to Muhammed in the Bible ensures a fruitless search - only found in the Qur'an & later documents. The Bible cannot be used to show Muhammed's coming or his work. Jesus came, His Spirit was then given and now the only prophecy yet to be fulfilled is the coming Great Tribulation on the Earth & then the coming of Jesus Christ, the Lord of Glory, to reign for a thousand years, when all evil will be bound & Satan locked away.
Part 1.
Reconciliation can be defined as the restoration of friendship following an estrangement. It can also be defined as the bringing together of two opposing parties by a third party. Reconciliation is a very real thing. With it, we are free, but without it we are plunged into unforgiveness and a vicious cycle of replaying offenses over and over again in our minds.
The love of Christ will arrest you in your tracks if you allow it do so. It will turn you away from living a life marked by bitterness and vengeance to a life characterized by freedom, love, and compassion. If we do not allow the love of Christ to arrest us, we will eventually be held captive to the memories of offenses, assaults, and unfairness that life inevitably brings our way.
The Apostle Paul tells us that in the course of human events, we can be road blocked from expressing the love and grace of Jesus Christ by our own carnality. Even in an advanced, mature Christian state, we can become prisoners to the desire to wreak vengeance upon our brothers and sisters in Christ. God wants to bring reconciliation to our lives through Jesus Christ. Christians should view their lives as an entrance ramp to the narrow path, expediting the route for others through reconciliation in Jesus.
The Bible emphasizes that unity in the Christian church is a crucial element to the world understanding and accepting the Gospel. Jesus said in John 17:21 that we must draw together in unity. We must draw together around the essentials in the Gospel and disregard things that tend to separate and divide us. This does not mean uniformity. The Bible gives great latitude in the kind of community of believers we become. There is no need to be "cookie-cutter" Christians -- there is diversity in the body through unity in Jesus Christ. God gives us this freedom for us to enjoy.
See Part 2.
Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us". John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The word dwelt here is not the ordinary word for dwelt, meaning to house, or take residence.
The Greek word dwelt in this verse is skno meaning to tent, tabernacle. God set up His tent or tabernacle among us in His only begotten Son Jesus, therefore Jesus' name Immanuel/Emmanuel. In John 14:1-3, this is just before Jesus was to be crucified when He told them this.
The word mansions is the Greek word , , mon means an abiding, an abode, dwelling-place. When Jesus was arrested, beaten, nailed to that cross, gave His life, and rose from the dead He provided that place that the first Adam corrupted that God through Jesus, by the Spirit can again dwell in man therefore His Name Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us".
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Jesus' life in the flesh, death, and resurrection prepared the place where we can be one, therefore His Name Immanuel/Emmanuel "with us is God" "God with us".
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
God bless,
RLW
i am not denying the divinity of christ.
the problem is you, and others, believe one scripture but then don't believe another scripture.
you believe: john 10:30 the father and i are one. divinity
you don't believe: john 17:21 that you and christ become one. divinity
you quote these scriptures, but you don't believe them
you don't believe: philippians 2:6 let this mind be in you, christ in the form of god thought it not robbery to be equal to god. divinity
you don't believe:: genesis 1:26 you were made in the image of god. divinity
you don't believe: 2 corinthians 5:19 to wit, that god was in christ (a body, a man)(and yes this make christ divine, reconciling the world to himself .......all will be divinity
you don't believe: matthew 28:19 ...baptising them in the father, son, and holy ghost.... this baptism make you: one with them, now there is no longer three, a trinity.
you don't believe: 1 corinthians 15:28 .....and god will be all in all. everyone divinity; not three.
your right we as brothers are to come together and rightly divide the word of god: truth vs falsehoods.
to repent has more to do with teachings than sins of the flesh.
as we come to truth, we repent, of our beliefs hundreds of times, of the falsehoods that have invaded the true gospel.
it's war: flesh vs divinity.
god bless you!
Jesus is not speaking of His divine glory, but the glory God gave Him as the perfect human. We will receive this same glory when we are perfected in heaven, having perfect humanity like Jesus.
You said, Jesus took back his divine glory, which we will never have.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me I have given THEM; that they MAY BE ONE as WE ARE ON.
God Bless YOU.
Although John did not write his gospel until late in his life, it is probably likely that he did write some things down either while with Jesus, or early after Pentecost. We just don't have these writings preserved. Who knows, perhaps John was a "record keeper" for the group while they were with Jesus. John founded many churches in Asia Minor. He must have written letters or preached at these, but the letters were not preserved over time. We just don't know.
Christ said when you need a word to speak or a scripture to quote it will come to your mind, because THE WORD is the LIFE of the Body (YOU).
PROPHECY:
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT within you, and CAUSE you (the body) to walk in my statutes, and keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
FULFILLED at pentecost:
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the life) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Your (the body) lips move because the life (Christ in You) CAUSES them to move.
Job 23:12 Neither have I gone back from the commandments of HIS LIPS (you are ONE with Christ)(LIFE is Christ and BODY is You).
Job 27:4 My (yours and Christ) LIPS shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.
Job 2:10 ...in all this Job did not sin with his lips.
Psalms 12:4 Who (one with no knowledge of truth) have said, With our tongue we will prevail, our lips are our own: who is Lord over us.
We were PREDESTINATED to be the IMAGE OF CHRIST.
John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing ...
Christ is the BODY that holds the LIFE of the FATHER.
John 15:5 .....for without me you can do nothing ....
WE are the BODY that holds the LIFE of Christ.
John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me I have given them, that they MAY BE ONE, even as WE ARE ONE.
Is it not mind boggling to walk in TRUTH.
God Bless YOU!
GBU
If I may give another understanding of why Jesus told Peter "Get the behind me Satan". We find this in Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33. It may seem that Satan was influencing Peter, but Satan wanted Jesus to be killed because that would stop Jesus the Messiah from setting up the kingdom on earth, God's plan was hidden, even from the disciples.
Everyone and the disciples thought when the Messiah came, He would set up the Kingdom and set up the new world order. Jesus told them several times He would be killed and be resurrected, Matthew 16:21 Matthew 17:22-23 Mark 8:31 Mark 9:31-32 Mark 10:32-34. In Luke 9:44-45 it was hidden from them until He was resurrected Luke 24:6-8, and later the Holy Spirit would bring all remembrance to them, John 14:26.
The understanding of those sayings was hidden, and Peter took Jesus aside and was saying surely God would have mercy and not let this happen. Jesus turned away and when He said what He did all the disciples heard what He said. The word Satan was originally a common noun meaning adversary.
The disciples were amazed Jesus was going to Jerusalem and they were afraid Mark 10:32. Even though they were told what was going to happen it was hidden they did not have a clue, they were still looking for Jesus to overthrow the Romans and set up the kingdom. That was the reason they all scattered when Jesus was arrested and Peter's denial, they all were devastated and shocked because the Messiah when He came was to set up the kingdom not to be killed.
Jesus' response to Peter and the disciples was drastic but it was a message relevant to them all, a message they all needed to hear to get them through what was shortly to happen. One other thing, when Jesus came it was for the lost sheep of Israel only, even after Pentecost it was still for the house of Israel until the mystery of the gospel of grace was revealed.
Jesus only lost one, Judas who He called the son of perdition, John 17:12.
Hope this helps
God bless,
RLW
Then one day I read: Amos 5:18-24,
People long for Mercy, Justice, correct judgement that may be the root of the plea, prayer.
However Jesus instruction was pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven " Matthew 6:9-13,
Daniel 7:27, Psalms 145:13, John 17, note John 17:15-16, Luke 17:20-21,
Proverbs 21:3, Isaiah 56:1, Psalms 82:3, Isaiah 59:4, (context Isaiah 59), Jeremiah 22:15, * Isaiah 58,
2Samuel 8:15, 1Kings 10:9, Ezekiel 45:9, Micah 6:8,
We even as 1 person can bring justice, mercy, truth, hope, deliverance, through faith, endurance, prayer, action & being a living example
Romans 1:17, James 2, Hebrews 11, 2Corinthians 5:7, Mark 11:22-26,
We are called to bring Justice, Judgement, Mercy.
Ecclesiastes 5:8, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 6,
Psalms 102:17, * James 5,
Hopefully these are helpful, please share these scriptures with those whom you feel led as a tool
I have read several commentaries on John 6:70,71 since our discussion, in addition to prayerfully meditating with the Lord's help for myself. I've also been studying, along with John 17:12. They all say the son of perdition, the devil, the murderer, the betrayer, is Judas.
I won't respond to any further discussion, because I see it's pointless. I have fulfilled my duty. I will just say that I have been so grieved over this whole discussion. I think of Revelation 13:6, speaking of antichrist, and how he blasphemes the saints in heaven. We need to be careful of what spirit we are of, when we speak about one of the servants of God. You are a much braver woman than I to do so.
Peter, though a loud-mouth at times, though prideful at times, though influenced by the devil in that very tragic circumstance...at length was restored and became a great blessing to the church of God then, and even to this day, by the letters that he penned and left for us, which contain so much precious truth. Peter, once filled with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, preached the gospel of the Lord that he loved; and was faithful unto death. Would the HOLY SPIRIT dwell inside a devil???
I entrust you to the One Who is the best Teacher in the World, and I myself ask for continued wisdom and insight from God's Word. I need His help moment by moment, and am utterly lost apart from Him.
Thank you for the interesting discussion, though we differ.
"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13
I'm lifting you up to God. May you be born again and live for our Mighty God.
Christ is the ANGEL OF THE LORD. Above all angels, he is the archangel Michael.
This is a mystery because he can be inside you as the Holy Ghost, or walk in the flesh as a man. His ministry on earth was in sinful flesh, exactly like we have now; but he was resurrected with the same glorified body that he existed in, with the father, from NO BEGINNING.
Angels are God's messengers.
Malachi 2:7 ...for he is the messenger of the Lord ....
Malachi 3:1 ....even the messenger of THE COVENANT ...
John 17:21 ...that the WORLD MAY BELIEVE that thou hast SEND ME.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY ....
You are the body of Christ.
Moses was the body of Christ.
A mind of FLESH (Satan, lies, deceptions, falsehoods) rules our body (of Christ).
When Christ rebukes Satan (lies, deception, falsehoods) he is bring HIS BODY (us) into subjection to TRUTH.
Mosses, with his mind of flesh, didn't think he was up to the task to be a god ( Exodus 7:1) over pharaoh, Christ rebuked Mosses (Satan, lies, deception,,]falsehoods) and caused him to have knowledge of the TRUTH, Mosses was only the BODY that contained the Spirit of Christ, who would be the god over pharaoh.
Matthew 16:23 ...and he turned, and said unto Peter, get thee behind me, Satan ...
A mind that is OF THE FLESH is in direct opposition to the MIND OF CHRIST, therefore a MIND OF FLESH is ANTI-CHRIST, or a mind of Satan, lies, deceptions and falsehoods.
At the time Mosses and Peter were rebuked, there was a war for their BODY, Christ through the WORK of HIS SPIRIT, cast out the one (Satan, lies, deception, falsehoods) contending for their body, which is CHRIST BODY.
Christ rebukes Satan, our mind of Flesh, controlled by lies, deception, and falsehoods, and we become a new creation, with the mind of Christ, learning that we are the BODY that contains the Spirit of God, who WILL BE the god over this world.
I love Jesus the Son of the Living God for all that He has done, is doing and will be doing for Everything Comes from Him!!!!
The earlier verses indicate a Millenium stance; as to who is worthy to ascend the holy hill (v. 3-5).
In terms of the blood of the Atonement; it is possible that it was placed in heaven; as well as being part of the vesture dipped in blood mentioned at His returns ( Rev. 19:13). We must remember that Christ is our "Passover" ( 1 Cor. 5:7). He secured victory over Satan; and over death itself. God was satisfied with this; and even pleased to crush Him. ( Isaiah 53:10). Christ Himself will rejoice and be satisfied; as the verse further explains. His travail is worth it to please the Father; and clearly His thought was on us when He prayed before His death for us to be "one" ( John 17:11 and 21). This mindset is similar to Paul's concerns as he was physically wasting away in prison over the church where he said it is more needful to remain; although to live is Christ and die is gain. ( Philippians 1:21-24).
As the pastor last week mentioned in his sermon; Christ's battle was fought during the silent periods in His trial. He couldn't die after sweating blood in Gethsemane; or after the flogging which many succumbed to. No doubt Satan wished for this. He was strengthened until He had to be left alone at the cross as we see in Psalm 22.