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14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God BY FAITH in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, AND HEIRS according to the promise.

Ronald L. Whittemore Yes it was the mystery Hidden in God since the world began Romans 16:25+26.

It Is Written!

Hi Ronald That's good Stuff. Bro.

Anthony,

Nothing changed, Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel because the covenant was only with the house of Israel, it had to be fulfilled before the new covenant could be made. We read Jesus told the woman at the well, salvation is of the Jews, John 4:22. The old covenant had to be satisfied, fulfilled by flesh living a perfect life, the price was paid the contract was completed. Jesus said He was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24.

He also told the apostles not to go but unto the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 10:6. Even after Jesus ascended, they only went to the Jews until Peter had his dream and Paul was called, this was to fulfill the prophecies. The word given to the Gentiles was still a mystery but as God told Abraham all nations were in the plan, Genesis 26:4. But, yes when Jesus first came was only for the lost sheep of Israel, the covenant had to be confirmed to the Jews first. Daniel 9:27 Romans 1:15-17. It was also to make the Jews jealous and save some as it was written, Romans 11:8-14.

God bless,

RLW

Gigi Its ok but we are not stating the same thing, still moving on.

David, I am too. have a good day in the Lord!

Gigi I did moving on.

David,, that was the point of my post, that God sent His Son in the fullness of time. Re-read my post. RE-read your post where you stated, "Anthony, If the lost sheep of the house of Israel had believed who Jesus was then everything would have ended there with the gospel..." That is what I am referring to in my post as well. Thank you for seeking clarification. It helps to do so.

Amen Sister GiGi!

Yes, I concur, God came as Jesus, when he felt the time was right, to save the "entire world." As per the scripture!

God Bless.

Gigi The only statement I made was that He came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel, but God Knew

they because they being stiff necked and hardhearted were going to reject him which opened the door for all men.

Also he could not have come before He did that is strictly supposition by intellect, he came in the fullness of God

timetable when all the correct elements were in place set up by God in his Wisdom. The other statements you are

making are by assumption. I'll stick with It Is Written! We gentiles got in strictly by the adopted seeds Israels unbelief

Romans 11:17-24 Gods grace which only He knew. But again its choice as to what someone chooses to believe.

David, I think Jesus always intended to be the Messiah to all mankind, not just the Jews. He could have come just after Adam and Eve sinned, but he did not. He could have come after the flood in Noah's day, but He did not. He could have come when the Israelites were slaves in Egypt, but He did not. He could have come after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., when the temple was demolished and the Jews were scattered, but He did not. the Bible states that Jesus came in the fullness of time in the fulfillment of the prophecies, die for all mankind. Whether the Jews accepted Him or not was not a determining factor in whether the gospel was preached and availed to the Gentiles as well as the Jews. If the Jews would have accepted Jesus, He still would have been put to death by some decree. (Herod intended to end is life as an infant.)

And if the Jews had received Jesus as their Messiah and as a nation preached so after His death, resurrection, and ascension, then the gospel would have gone out to the world through many rather than through a few Jews who were His disciples.

Yes, God foreknew that the Jews would reject Him both before and after His death, resurrection, and ascension. But that does not mean that God had to go to plan B and send the gospel to the Gentiles. It was always His plan to bless all nations with the gospel through the seed of Eve, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That is why Jesus incarnated as a child of Abraham, to fulfill the prophecy.

Jesus came to take away "the sin of the world" from the beginning!

John 1:29

"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

God Bless.

Hello, I will only address your first question. I think Jesus said to be perfect because He wants us to strive to be perfect. We all have an inclination to sin, and struggle with fleshly desires and temptations, but Jesus is setting a very high standard. It means we should put out much effort to avoid sin and be perfect. There are many verses saying this and here is one such verse: Luke 13:24

I'm glad you asked. Mr. D'Ambrosio, I had referred so many scriptures to you that I didn't want to overwhelm, even though I had not finished completely what I wanted to point out in scripture.

John 17, whole chapter, note vrs. 20 & 21, John 3:15-16,

Prophecy & prophecy fulfilled

Isaiah 46:13, Jeremiah 3:23, Genesis 49:18, Luke 2, Luke 3:4-6, Isaiah 53, Luke 23, Psalms 22, Psalms 118:19-22,

We are grafted in: Romans 11, whole chapter,

Hopefully these are helpful, there are many more scriptures. Let me know if you would like more.

Anthony If the lost sheep of the house of Israel would have believed who Jesus Christ was then everything

would have ended there in the gospels but God knew in His FOREKNOWLEDGE that they would reject His

Salvation through Jesus Christ therefore it became available for all mankind.

So when you say Jesus came originally only for the lost sheep of Israel, what changed? Do you mean he was supposed to preach only to the Jews first and then the gentiles after? Or do you mean he never intended to preach to the gentiles at all but then had a change of heart somewhere along the line and decided to include the gentiles in the salvation stuff too?

Under the inspiration of Satan, it amazes me how cruel man can be to another. There is no limit. What an example here. Jesus could have come down from the cross, but if He had, the human race would have been lost.

This same hatred will be shown in the time of the end, to the faithful followers of God. Revelation 12 tells us 'he deceiveth the whole world. Even now that is true.

Gerard,

Traditions and holidays in Christianity have pagan influences that are with us today, and it is up to us individually what we do we do, we live, and we die unto the Lord. Your concern on the day Jesus was crucified, you are right, three days and three nights do not fit with Friday. What day of the week fits and are there scriptures that show what day it was?

We know Jesus rose on the first day of the week and it was before sunrise, Luke 24:1 Mark 16:9 John 20:1. The first day starts sundown on the Sabbath day the seventh day, so it was after the sun went down on the seventh day while it was still dark.

In John 12:1, he writes six days before Passover, Jesus in Bethany, and John 12:12-16 the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. This would be 5 days before Passover and with Jesus fulfilling this feast it would be the tenth of Nisan when the lambs were taken up Exodus 12:1-6. We call this Palm Sunday. The Passover day is on the 14th which is a preparation day for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath day, Exodus 12:15-16.

So, if Sunday is the tenth, Mon. 11th, Tue 12th, Wed. 13th, Thur. 14th, Passover day, the day Jesus was crucified. Friday a Sabbath that John called a high day, John 19:31, Saturday a weekly Sabbath two Sabbaths back-to-back. If it was on a Friday, it's like you said, it does not fit, if it was any other day like Sun. Mon. Tue. Wed. the women could have gone to the tomb before the weekly Sabbath with the spices for Jesus' body.

If you would like I can give the scriptures that cover what Jesus did each day after he rode into Jerusalem, it matches as well.

Hope this helps.

God bless,

RLW

Anthony A few points Jesus Christ was originally sent for the lost sheep of the House of Israel, most of

what he was teaching was to that peoples and culture, but when certain individuals came to Him and Believed

who He Is The Son Of God and didn't see only heard of what He was doing I.E. the centurion Luke 7:2 understood

the authority Given to Jesus and by messenger said He was not worthy although he was in charge of 100 men

and said at your word and His servant was healed, he believed without seeing. Most times in Gospels they saw then

believed. Now to the judeans certain gentiles canaanites and others were considered un believing dogs so to

speak, and yet because of her believing will because she said Have mercy on me son of David therefore she heard

of Him and believed.

The washing of the hands was in criticism of the corruption of the religious leaders who appeared and

acted so self righteous and if you didn't eat with clean hands you can't be walking with God.

Jesus Christ came to fulfill and complete the law of the old testament and nailed it to the cross, so in the age

of grace we fulfill the law by walking in the spiritual law of agapeo the love of God when we are born again which was

not possible until the day of pentecost. In the age of Grace we are to believe Gods Word then we get the works,

in the gospels they mostly saw then believed. That's why Jesus said blessed are they who have not seen and will believe.

Continued : Matthew 15,

Absence of words do not set an agreement to a matter.

Where did HE say that? About washing? HE said Matthew 15:3, Matthew 15:7-11, Matthew 16:20,

These were leaders, teachers, transcribers of GOD's Laws, "the Holy Scriptures" in the Jewish religion. HE, Jesus "Jewish" Messiah, was pointing out to them the importance of the Laws they were supposed to know, transcribe & teach.

Matthew 15:7-9, HE, Jesus brings of prophetic Words from the very Books they were supposed to know. Then HE addresses the people. Matthew 15:10-12,13,14

Then Matthew 15:15-20 Jesus points out the true defilement Matthew 15:18,19,20,

Matthew 15:22-28, Romans 1:16-24,

interestingly we feel offended for her, yet she persisted, then was granted a miracle & an edification for her "great faith" .

Hopefully these are helpful.

How could Jesus tell us to be perfect in Matthew when that's impossible. Why did Jesus say he came only for the lost sheep of Israel and call a Canaanite woman a dog? Why did Jesus tell us not to wash our hands before we eat? Did Jesus nullify many of the laws of Moses and if so I thought he said he came to fulfill the law and not to change one jot or tittle?

Please read these scriptures: John 7:1-53, Mark 2:1-28,

This discussion came up Holidays 2019, there was hatred towards not wearing masks in donut shop Southern California 80-90 degrees near beach. Teenager asked "wouldn't Jesus just be nice" then it hit me with fire inside my spirit. I replied "Jesus would be the first to bring alarm!" "If they were going to arrest people for getting too close, touching the sick, HE'd probably be first" I could envision HIM hugging & healing people & upsetting the "norm" as "enforcers" would say "HE isn't allowed to do that."

Luke 13:1-17, Luke 13:20-35, * Mark 3:1-6,9,10, *

Hypocrisy of crowds, sporting events, parades, but Jesus crowds? Mark 2:2, hypocrisy= John 19:31, Luke 4:14-44,

not wearing masks, HE'd probably be taking them off, elderly & children 1st. Would the creator of man, mankind, want them breathing carbondioxide, weaking their lungs, hiding HIS glory? 2 Corinthians, 1 John 1:1, seeking to save themselves? Luke 17:33, Matthew 16:35, Luke 8:35, John 12:25, Matthew 6:25

Luke 6:1-19,

John 9:1-7 can you imagine? criminal charges today?

+ HE actually gave commands to heal the sick, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Acts 4:28-30,

"The saddest thing about all the hate, meaness, is when this is over, people will remember how badly they were treated" "let's try to remember that & be kind"

Matthew 25:39

It's almost 2022. Those mandates have caused division, job loss, depression etc., yet what proof of any good?

To further answer your question: I have been in much prayer about it & I do not take lightly any scripture. I believe in USA we are a "Nation under GOD" being The People we are the ones with the Governing authority as per The Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution & all States Constitutions. The people putting forth "Mandates" know they have not authority to call them "laws" they are therefore those that "resist the power & Ordinances of GOD" & the Higher power is GOD.

Hopefully these are helpful.

Luke 8:2, Luke 8:1-4, the whole chapter is relevant actually to point out Jesus love for people deliverance, GOD's nature, Luke 8,

Mary Magdalene is mentioned: Mark 15:40-47, continues Mark 16:1-14, Matthew 27:55-56 (followed Jesus from Galilee), Matthew 27:59-61, Matthew 28:1-10, Luke 23:49-56 continues Luke 24:1-10,22-24, John 19:25,

Luke 10:38-42, John 20:1-18,

* John 11:1-8, John 11:1-45

* John 12:1-3,

Luke 7:36-50- Luke 8:1-3, same account?

John 12,

Hopefully you enjoy this study.

Hey GIGI,

I am with you, we may not ever know when Jesus was born, Earl is close on the month, but the only thing Jesus said to do in remembrance of Him was at the last super, Luke 22:19. Scripture does let us know when Jesus came, the year He was baptized. Luke 3:1-6 when John the Baptist came. Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry.

This may have been in the late summer or early fall, Jesus came up from Galilee to Jordan to be baptized and the Spirit of God descending upon him, Matt. 3:13-17 Mark 1:911 Luke 3:21-22. Then Jesus went into the wilderness for forty days, tempted by Satan, then collecting the twelve.

In John 2, Jesus was in Cana of Galilee at the wedding and after in John 2:13, the Passover was at hand. This would place it just before spring of 30 A.D. There are four Passovers recorded in John, John 2:13 John 5:1 John 6:4 John 19:14, Jesus was crucified on the fourth. John 6:4 is in question if it was a Passover, or another required feast. May this help.

God bless,

RLW

Hi James That is a loaded answer and I'm sure there will lots of feed back,this was prophecy of what was Going to be done to out Saviour before the crucifixion. His visage the way he appeared after they beat Jesus literally almost to death was so bad you did not want to look at Him!

That's why pilate after they beat him and before the crucifixion said behold your king, because he was pulverised. Can you imagine Pilate when Jesus said to Pilate John 19:11 you not have this power unless it was given thee from above, and he was standing next to a bloody mess! Everything he went through was done to deliver us from the power of the adversary, we are healed 1 Peter 2:23+24 after the fact by His stripes we have been healed.

By His shed blood all our sins broken fellowship is forgiven when we Repent and Confess Romans 10:9+10 and begin to walk by faith in him. Believe it or not He literally died not from the wounds but of a broken heart in John 19:34 when they pierced His side water and blood came out. The movie passion of the Christ is a good portrayal of what they did and what he looked like, I believe it was worse than even that and yet this man never sinned!

We will never fully comprehend or appreciate what he went through and I can't think about it too long without going to tears, a totally innocent man did this for us who do not deserve any of what we have been delivered from

for all eternity. AMEN!

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all of Judea, and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 1:8

Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?

Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part in me.

John 13:6-8

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Excepta man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:5

And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Phillip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Acts 8:38

And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Phillip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Acts 8:39

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.

Ephesians 5:26

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 10:47

But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

John 19:34

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1 John 5:6

In that day shall the branch of the LORD ne beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even ecery one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

Isaiah 4:2-3

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Dear Earl Bowman am not often disagree with you but this time i am. In Jesus Name.

Remember when the gards stuck The Lord with the spear it comes out of the Lord exactly blood and wather. John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. And also

The Lord said: Luke 23:43

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

King of King have Absolut All rights too have this authority to said soo, and do what ever He want.

That was a terrible day and the days after, it was dark and many ppl stand up from the grave, and evan walked in Jerusalem!

May God bless us all with fully understanding in the right time, in Jesus Holy Name.

Hello Clymer. As you have probably read starting from John 3:1, Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, a Pharisee, a Jewish religious leader. Firstly, Jesus had explained to him a Truth that he hadn't heard of before & even now, could grasp: that of a spiritual re-birth. So then Nicodemus asks Jesus: "How can these things be?" To which Jesus basically tells him, that even a master of Israel (i.e. one like Nicodemus who was well studied in the Scriptures & the Law) cannot know the things that someone who has a personal experience of such knowledge knows & brings. Nicodemus probably prided himself with scriptural knowledge, but here is Jesus standing before Him Who could illuminate his mind & heart with heavenly things.

And so, Jesus goes on to say in verse 13, 'no one from Earth has ever gone up to Heaven & then returned to bring you such knowledge - it has only been Jesus (the Son of Man now) Who was already in Heaven & now come down to bring such glorious news' (I've transliterated this verse liberally, so you can get a better understanding). So, did Jesus go up from Earth to Heaven & learn God's Truths & then bring them to Earth? Definately, NO. Jesus was already there, being God's Word, given humanity & sent to Earth to bring God's Word & to give His Life for all ( John 1:1-14). So Nicodemus was in a special position now to hear directly this Word of God from Jesus the Son of God, a Word that he could never dig up from the reading of the Old Testament Scriptures, but had to receive it directly from Jesus Who was in Heaven.

And this Nicodemus was one who attended to the dead Body of Jesus by bringing embalming spices for His burial ( John 19:39,40). We can't be sure about Nicodemus' salvation, but this act of love & sorrow certainly leads one to believe that this man's heart was changed & he was prepared to risk his reputation & life for his loving act - a love for the heavenly Master Who told him all he ever wanted to know.

Hi Louis. I believe that it was John who is referred to in John 19:26,27. Why I think this, is because in other places (e.g. John 13:23; John 20:2; John 21:20) John resorts to this expression "the disciple whom He loved" & speaking in such a manner was common when the focus was taken off oneself. We can also think of 2 Corinthians 12:1-7 as an example, where clearly the Apostle Paul is speaking of His experience of Heaven though not naming himself as the one.

Then in John 21:20-24, Peter questions Jesus about "what shall this man (?) do?" And then the brethren believed "that that disciple (?) should not die". Again, who is that disciple? John then says in verse 24, "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true." Or, 'I am that disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things...". Therefore, we can say with all certainty that the disciple whom Jesus loved was indeed John, the Apostle who referred to himself as such.

Who exactly was it that Jesus told behold thy mother. I do know this is the book of John but does that alone make the desciple who cared for Mary, John? A current discussion in my Sunday School class.