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Part 2 More baptism questions for today's water adherents:

9. "water" baptism of repentance:

c) Is this baptism "for today"? IF this baptism is For us Today, we have Several More Questions:

c1) Why does No one Today, "teach, as John ( Under The LAW! ), Claimed": it is For "making CHRIST Manifest To Israel" John 1:31?

c2) Why does {Almost} No one Today, "Confess their sins," when they come to water baptism Matthew 3:6 Mark 1:5?

c3) Why do not ALL Divided "denominations who Water baptize" today, agree As ONE, And "teach" water as John, CHRIST, And The Twelve ( Under The LAW! ), "taught" That "water baptism Is For The Remission Of sins!" Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 Acts 2:38 { instead of each one's own "symbolic Re-Interpreted Traditions!" }?

10. Baptism Of Anointing?: Pentecostal Spirit baptism; This is the baptism "WITH" The Holy Spirit, BY JESUS CHRIST, From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel with signs and powers following. Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16.

And, is not This The THIRD Requirement For "priesthood induction" = Anointing? Compare Exodus 29:7 Leviticus 8:10-12.

Is God Performing "This" Baptism On us TODAY? IF so, Why NO "signs and powers"?

Conclusion: IF any water adherent, today, Under GRACE, believes he/she has been water baptized into the 'Israeli priesthood,' is he/she Absolutely Sure he/she Has Met The other Two Requirements Of God? IF he/she has Not "met them," then does not The Following apply To us Today?:

God Superseded Two baptisms, Under Law, With ONE Baptism, Under GRACE! Link

Further Note: Paul, in Romans through Philemon, has No doctrine of 'priesthood' for The Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE, Today, hmm...

Prophecy vs MYSTERY: Link

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You say you are born again, and I am not disputing that.

You quoted 1 John 1:8-10

As born again what do you do with 1 John 3:8-9

The scriptures have to be in unity.

You didn't cite one Bible verse supporting your feelings, I wonder why.

Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"...WORD WAS GOD."

Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.

This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.

But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Hi Sasha We were born under the influence or subjected to sin now when I was taught the greatness of what I was redeemed from by Jesus Christ I confessed my sin and my sins are paid for now when i sin or break fellowship I ask forgiveness through my saviour. How can an individual know if he is sinning if he doesn't know what sin is, that is in the category of ignorant but once I understood my fault through Gods Word I changed and accepted my fault and my Saviour. No one said they denied their sin but remember we were born in that state Ephesians 2:1 and 5 without God and without hope. Now being a saint being born again when I sin or break fellowship I confess and am forgiven because as it says in 1 John 1:8-10 but this applies to us who are born again.

I hope these are helpful Philippians 1:6, 2 Corinthians 5:17-18, Romans 10:17, 1 John 1:9,

Baptism

Mark 11:28-31, John 1:29, 36,

** Matthew 3:13-17

"And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness"

I truly believe that water baptism is an act of obedience. For me, it was a line the demons could not cross over to torment me anymore. All sin is bad. Satan is legalistic. If we sin ( Job 1), he's at the throne asking to sift our baby Christian faith. God will not allow it. We are in Christ Jesus. That is what our faith grows on.

First thing the Holy Spirit taught me is that the Blood of the Lamb, is more powerful than anything Satan has. If we can't even speak it out, our born again spirits can cry out to God and plead the Blood of Jesus.

Everyone has a moment to resist stepping out, to sin against ourselves and the Lord. We obey sin, OR, we call upon the Blood Jesus shed on the Cross.

I think most people don't perceive the daily battles going on in the heavenlies over things we get into, daily. That's what we give thanks for. May we not disregard the holy blood of Jesus. He's given us His Authority to fight back with. Parents, fight on behalf of your kids. The war continues. Complacency is heartbreaking. Don't let the devil take your kids hostage, your health, your marriage, your job, your extended world.

Collectively we have so much power to pool together in prayer: corporately. If we would just show up at church and decree in prayer over anything__change would occur. As it is written!! The PRAYER OF AGREEMENT. We live like orphans. Who is your Abba? God is my daddy. I love my Daddy more than anything. He loves me! We have daily relationship. I never forget His or Jesus's HOLINESS.

One last thing. Read Psalms and perceive the adoration, worship, trust, anguish of heart over sin, relationship, more. That's where love begins and continues.

Baptism screams, "I am my Beloveds, and My Beloved is MINE !! (Song of Solomon)

Mishael

Part II

1 Corinthians 12:13 God's ONE Baptism for The Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE/Mystery:

Precious friends, Please Be Encouraged/Edified in This Important "study" of three baptisms:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" if you wish...} Mat 3:5-6 Mrk 1:4 Luk 3:3 John 1:31 Luk 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Mat 28:19

Mrk 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Eze 36:25 John 18:35 Exo 19:6 +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! Isa 44:3 Mat 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided 2Ti 2:15 From Things That Differ!:

2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! Eph 4:5 Col 2:12 Gal 3:27 Rom 6:3-4

1Co 12:13

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the sinner "believes in CHRIST, that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

Precious friends, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

2Ti 2:15 Rom 16:25 Eph 1:3-9 Eph 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' for All to "See," today?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Ask God to help you make a comprehensive list of your sins.

Confess every sin that the Holy Spirit calls to your remembrance and accept God's forgiveness (1 John 1:9).

Seek forgiveness from all whom you have offended, and forgive all who have hurt you ( Mark 11:25; Luke 11:4; 17:3,4).

Make restitution as the Holy Spirit leads you.

Ask God to fill you with His Holy Spirit according to His command in Ephesians 5:18 and His promise in 1 John 5:14,15.

Surrender your life fully to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Master; refuse to obey your worldly nature ( Romans 12:1,2).

Meditate on the attributes of God, His love, sovereignty, power, wisdom, faithfulness, grace, compassion, and others ( Psalm 48:9,10; 103:1-8, 11-13).

Begin your time of fasting and prayer with an expectant heart ( Hebrews 11:6).

Do not underestimate spiritual opposition. Satan sometimes intensifies the natural battle between body and spirit ( Galatians 5:16,17).

If you're married with kids, you'll still need to care for them. Attend to your duties, then excuse yourself back to your "closet".

I fast from food and ALL MEDIA. The idea is fast from food, AND feast on the Word of God. Ask the Holy Spirit to shield you from interruptions, like phone calls, people who drop in unannounced or uninvited.

Have on hand, bouillon, fruit juice, lots of water. Jesus hungered after his fast. (he drank water.)

If you are diabetic or on serious meds, check your blood sugar if you feel bad. Dehydration will stop a fast.

Read the Gospels. Spend time in praise and worship. You can do this at work with headphones on. Whatever you do; no long faces. Bathe and dress normal.

Write Eph. 6 on a piece of paper and keep it before you. Don't tell anyone you're on fast. Just your husband. Satan will try to make you mad, feel unspiritual. Jesus used SCRIPTURE to counter attack satans attacks.

It's good to read aloud. We have gates: ears, eyes, mouth, a heart of joy. The Word goes in through all gates.

Amen Brother Ronald.

John 1:4-9. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Judge,

Day and night, light and darkness have other meanings other than we think of in this physical world. John 1:4-5 Romans 13:12. In day three, grass, herbs, fruit trees came forth growing and full of life in preparation of the other life that was to come for to be food. God is light as we see in Revelation 21:23-25 and Revelation 22:5 when all is new there will be no night, no moon, or sun, the glory of God will be the lighten and Jesus will be the light.

The sun and moon and the stars were placed in the firmament (heaven) on day four after the plants on this earth were thriving in day three so, what we hear things cannot grow without the sun or the earth would be a ball of ice, leave out the glory of God and His only begotten Son, the light that darkness/unbelievers comprehend not.

God bless,

RLW

I KNOW the Lord will forgive you of your sins. When you turn to Him with your whole heart. Honestly. Because His word says so and He cannot lie.

1John 1:9

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

:-)

I'm praying for you

God is faithful!

Dgjot,

Something that sort of stood out to me was where you said that "You just had to take God/Jesus at their word." What I am understanding is that you were expecting some sort of grand experience after calling upon the Lord to save you, and when that didn't happen, you decided to just trust that the Lord would do what He said He would. That's about all we can do is take Him at His word and trust in His promises.

I received Christ almost 25 years ago. There was nothing spectacular as far as experience goes. But like you say, I had to take the Lord at His word. Romans 10:13 says that all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, not might be, but will be.

But with that, let me share this with you. It doesn't say that this salvation is immediate. But the promise is still there. Some get saved immediately, and for others it could take a while. You see, the Lord knows our heart. He knows if and when we are ready to completely surrender our life to Him. He prepares our heart until we are ready to turn from our ways and make Him the Lord of our life.

As far as the incident you have been agonizing over for 48 years, the only advice I can offer you is to let it go. 1 John 1:9 says, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If you've asked the Lord for forgiveness, you need to trust that He has forgiven you. He is a faithful and just Lord.

And you are very welcome for what I shared with you on Hebrews 10:26. God Bless!!!

We're a work in progress, sometimes in life I've been tired emotionally, physically, mentally & spiritually. Love isn't always a feeling, it's choices. When we show compassion towards people (made in GOD's image), that's love towards GOD. Scripture examples noted above. Thanks for trusting us with the depth of truth of what you were feeling & experienced, even now.

James 5:16, 1 John 1:9

Bro Alex,

Thanks for your response, always appreciate your thoughts, and viewpoints.

Yes, I agree, we are all like the thieves being crucified next to Jesus. We are all sinners, and Jesus was the pure sin free lamb sacrificed for us. Wow!!!!

John 1:29

"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

1 John 2:2

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 Peter 1:19

"But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"

I can find no words to express my gratitude to Jesus for HIS Sacrifice. I pray that his Holy Spirit will help to manifest in me what comes from my heart and mouth to help produce the good fruit that is so desirable.

Matthew 15:11

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

God Bless

Hello Free. I'm sorry that I missed your comment to me, but will address it now. My apologies.

In 1 Corinthians chapter 11, the apostle is speaking about this relationship within the New Covenant. Before Jesus came to Earth as a babe, the Bible tells us that He was the Word of God ( John 1:1-14). In other words, God manifested Himself to His people, Israel, through the giving of His Word & by His Spirit through His prophets. But now in these last days (i.e. New Covenant days - post Cross), He has spoken to us by His Son, that Word Who was made Man ( Hebrews 1:1,2).

So, now when we see Jesus, He is seen (in the NT), as God made flesh, died, buried, resurrected, & ascended to sit at the Father's right Hand ( Luke 22:69; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 10:12). Jesus holds within Himself the full divinity of God His Father, all His Glory, & receives all the worship ( Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:12), but He now remains distinct in 'bodily' form because of His incarnation. And this is a picture of how we will be when translated to live in Heaven ( 1 John 3:2).

Therefore, God as Jesus' Father will always be at the Head, then Jesus as His only begotten Son next in position, then man as God's first creation in God's Image, & then woman made out of man, both of them bearing God's Image.

I don't understand your statement: "Also how do you say we are not under the old law but then makes new laws for women?" The only way I can understand your statement is to say that under the old Law, there was neither need nor provision for women preaching in the Church; there was no Church. This "ordinance" that Paul delivered ( 1 Corinthians 11:2) is entirely based on the risen Christ & His Church - nothing at all to do with any 'old' Law or whether the women of old ministered as prophets, judges, warriors, etc. Under the New Covenant, there is also a new order in His Body, as for those who now worship God in spirit & in Truth. Blessings.

Part II OR: Baptism Of Repentance For The Remission Of sins?:

God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve 'Were Sent' to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25 John 18:35 Exodus 19:6 ) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16 )

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul 'Was Not Sent' to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 Colossians 2:12 Galatians 3:27 Romans 6:3-4 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God Saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

More spiritual understanding of 'Prophecy vs MYSTERY':

Link

Hi Brother Ronald.

You are right, there is so much that is not given in scripture so most is conjectural.

I also believe Adam lived in a different environment for lack of better terms, "Before sin entered the world."

A big question that troubles me is the word naked. It seems it carries more of a spiritual meaning than nudity often in scripture.

I believe often it's the opposite of being clothed with righteousness in a way mentioned here in Isaiah 61:10-11.

The question is was Adam and Eve naked spiritually before eating of the tree of "knowledge of good and evil and perhaps they were clothed in a way mentioned in Ezekiel 16:7-15. We know good and evil existed long before Adam. "But they had no knowledge of it until they ate if the fruit. Look at Genesis 3:17. in that context, ( AND THE EYES OF THEM BOTH WERE OPENED,)....( and they knew that they were naked;...) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

I believe as you do Adam and Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.

I believe in the Gap theory, Not as some do and try to fit the Dinosaurs into that gap or any other life existence that we know of, I believe they were all created in the Genesis account. I believe Lucifer may possibly have had a dominion here on earth in that Gap.

Here's why. Ezekiel 28:13. ( Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; ) every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

The account in Genesis Lucifer has already fallen, He's not adorned as mentioned in Ezekiel 28. " I believe this fallen mentioned here is positionally. and. "Down to Earth."

until next time.

GBU.

Thank you, S Spencer,

Brother, on part one, this is something I will have to study more, I agree with what you are saying but it seems empty, if you know what I mean. Because the first Adam, before he sinned is unlike any mortal man since he sinned, his body was not born in corruption like ours, sin was not in him. We know man cannot see Gods face and live, Exodus 33:20-23, until the new heaven and new earth, Revelation 22:3-4 in our glorified bodies.

Going by Exodus no man can see God's face, so is that after sin or does that include the first Adam? If so, how did God communicate with Adam? He communicates with us through His Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus that dwells in us like you said by the blood of Christ shed on the cross. We see that even after they were cast out of the garden they were still in the presence of God because Cain was the first to be driven from the presence of God, Genesis 4:13-16.

Are the cherubim and flaming swords a shadow of the ark where God sits between the cherubim? Is that why they were in the presence of God?

I feel the first Adam and the last Adam Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels, Matthew 25:4. However God communed with the first Adam he was part of this plan that Satan could not see, up to the crucifying of the last Adam, the only begotten Son, Satan was blind to this because he did not try to stop it. Like what He tried to do with Job he thought he could get Job to curse God to His face, which he also failed.

The questions here is more for me to study not to you.

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Part two

I know the first Adam could not bring eternal life but I feel the first Adam was the start of the plan of salvation, and the undoing of Satan. and the penalty of it was death, that was eternal death, and the first sacrifice for sin that God covered Adam and Eve with skins of innocent animals, as you said a picture of what His Son would do for us. The first Adam initiated the purpose for the last Adam Jesus Christ and the defeat of Satan.

I was relating to the conscience before, the word naked in Genesis 2:25 is a word arom that means just what is says unclothed. They were innocent or we could say ignorant to nudity until they ate of the tree and they knew they were nude, their eyes were opened, their conscience filled with shame and fear of judgment, that is why they tried to hide. The word in Genesis 3:7 -rum-mim is a different word meaning nakedness with shame. I feel when God said, "where art thou" is like a father calling out to a child he knew where he was but to see if he would show himself.

Adam was afraid for his disobedience, it is like a thief that heard a siren, he runs to hide to avoid the punishment. Lord God YHVH Elohim instead of God Elohim the name used from Genesis 1, until after day seven Genesis 2:4? Elohim supreme one or mighty one the creator, in chapter 1 God only created without any reaction with what He had created. YHVH Elohim Master, communicator, He started communicating with Adam as a Father would a son.

Not all was written, like with Cain and Abel, Abel brought of the sheep he kept and Cain brought of the plants of the field. Abel brought of the firstlings, but it does not say Cain brought of the first fruits. It is not written so; do we assume because Cain did not bring a blood sacrifice is why his was rejected? According to Genesis 1 they were to eat plants?

I have enjoyed this, and will continue studying, may we always walk in the Spirit of truth.

God bless,

RLW

Brother Ronald.

Part 2. Genesis 2:25.

Lets look at Genesis 2:17. But of the tree of the (knowledge of good and evil,) thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Let's take Genesis 3:7-11. ( And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Verse 9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, ( Where art thou?)

Here in verse 9. I don't think God is speaking of their location, I think He is speaking of their condition.

"No one can hide from God."

And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and ( I was afraid, because I was naked;) and I hid myself.

" It's Interesting Adam is afraid because he was naked, rather than his disobedience."

Verse 11. And he said, ( Who told thee that thou wast naked? ) Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Genesis 3:22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

It seems the text goes a little further than just their disobedience, There's a lot of emphasis on being Naked and knowing it. Sinful flesh exposed Maybe? The consequence of knowing is where the threat lies! Why? Perhaps so they want attempt to cover themselves when Christ was ordained to come into the world before the world began. The blood of Christ was to be their covering. That's why I hold the view God provided them covering from a blood shed sacrifice pointing to Christ.

Gen. 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the "LORD God" make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Have you noticed verse 21 "LORD" God is used? The covenant name, This where the sacrifices started and the sacrifices pointing to Christ. It was taught to Cain and Abel. Only after the resurrection GOD spirit would Dwell "IN" man.

Hebrews 10:14-20.

God bless.

Hi Brother Ronald.

Part 1.

As I promised once I settle back at home I would reach out and continue our dialog on the 1st Adam and 2nd Adam.

RECAP.

As I said I don't believe God dwelled "IN" Adam. Below is some of the previous references below.

The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple.

( 1 Corinthians 3:16. )

( Hebrews 10:14-22. )

Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of ( 1 John 3:9. )

Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- ( 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. )

Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a

( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give us eternal life.

Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was made a living soul. So is our 1st birth.

Here is a quote from part 1 of your reply:

"When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.

If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12)." End quote.

In part 2 I will address the view I hold on Adam and Eve being naked.

See Part 2.

Thank you.

Hi TNT.

Thanks for responding, I had to go back review my reply to see if I had another type error. I can see where the confusion may have occurred. The first paragraph of Page 2 of my post was a continuation from Page one where I said " 1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I dont believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him.

Meaning if Adam had God Spirit "IN" him as mentioned in 1 John 3:9. He can not sin, so he would have remained in the Garden. But he didn't and he was convicted a was driven out.

I will tie into the thread again this weekend.

Thanks and God bless.

Hello S.Spenser , I'm having a problem accessing the thread . However , from memory , you said something about not believing that Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life , you said something about them already having life in them . I believe that the tree of life is a foreshadow of Christ . I directed you to the scriptures that refute your belief . Sorry if I misunderstood you .

Hi TNT.

Here's a reply from you to me after I replied to Brother Ronald.

" You may think whatever you like but you cannot deny or ignore what is actually written in Genesis Ch3 Verse22+23 ."

I'm sorry but I don't understand. can you help me with this? Thank you in advance.

God bless.

Hi Brother Ronald.

Sorry for the Delay in responding, I'm working in and out of town, often unable to get to a computer. I agree we all need to be able to have these much needed topics discussed in Love, humility and peace. That's why I enjoy these discussions with you. If you will allow me to get back to you when I settle in back home. I didn't want to appear to be ignoring you.

I would like to touch on Adam and Eve "NAKED" and not being ashamed.

thanks and

God bless you

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

This verse seems to explain what we're seeing currently in culture, in media, and even on this website.

People don't love the truth, but are more attracted to the lie. The lies become their idol which they serve. They willingly embrace the delusion. How does anyone know if they are believing a lie or not?

The truth isn't afraid of analysis, but lies are. Can you think of any subjects today that are being censored, silenced, 'discredited' through paid-for 'studies'? I can think of many.

Examples:

Death statistics aren't to be questioned whatsoever. They are concealed and only released after they have been 'processed', is there something to hide? VAERS injuries and deaths from all other experimental vaccines have been thoroughly investigated and products pulled after only 5 deaths or so, but something that has thousands to potentially millions of deaths shouldn't be analyzed?

Election fraud- certain groups don't want this investigated and deny any/all reports of cheating. But wouldn't investigating only build confidence in the integrity of the election with no downside, or are they afraid of what might be discovered?

People on this forum lately seem to be denying Jesus and making up stories to discredit Him. It's fascinating that someone is interested in Christianity enough to read the Bible, but just can't quite submit to its full truth and agree with its verses like John 1:1. Some seem quite uncomfortable with this and quietly deny it without any rational explanation. Some prefer to believe man's opinion instead of God's. Dangerous lies are being spread and it seems to tie back to this delusion the Word talks about. We must pray and seek God and ask for wisdom. Those who merely come on to spread propaganda to achieve a certain outcome instead of caring about the truth will face consequences. God is a fair judge. End times are near. It's time to admit who Jesus is. We must stay on course to the end and not fall away. 2 Peter 2:20-21.

Part one,

S Spencer, brother thank you for your caring and your support to the brothers and sisters on this site. I understand this subject is off-limits to many and I thank you for your answer. I understand as Christian's we have different understandings of scriptures. I understand discernment, it is like Paul said in ( 1 Corinthians 3:2) the Holy Spirit does the same.

I went to church in my younger years and I had Christian parents, but I was not truly saved until my forties going on thirty years ago, it took over two years through demonic battles and things I did not believe were even real. I have full faith in my salvation in Jesus Christ and the baptizing of the Holy Spirit, if not I would not be here today.

I understand wanting to sit this one out some people's emotions override the love in Christ and many hold this undebatable, if we lived long ago, we would be in fear of death and even today your treated as unwanted, and cast out of many congregations, and I do cherish you considering me a brother.

On to the two Adams, now this is what I feel has been revealed through the Holy Spirit and my understanding of Scripture and I understand if we do not agree, but I will as best I can, tell you. When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.

If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12).

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Part two

How we walk in this world is for our conscience ( 1 Peter 2:18-21), If we are treated badly, how we respond is recorded in our conscience regardless of how justified we fill to repay the wrongful treatment. I know we have all done this in the past but through the grace of God and the sacrifice of our Savior Jesus we can repent and He will cleanse our conscience.

I feel this is the dwelling place that Jesus repaired that the first Adam polluted with sin and through when we repent the Holy Spirit continues to wipe the spots to keep us clean. In John 14:1-4 that many have a different understanding of, what this speaks to me is, this is just before Jesus was going to be arrested and crucified. Later in the chapter Jesus told them He would ask the Father to send the Comforter to them in His name.

Jesus told them He was going to prepare a place for them, He said in His Fathers house are many mansions. The word mansion is monai meaning an abiding, an abode or dwelling place. Jesus was going to the cross to shed His blood and pay the penalty of sin that the first Adam put on mankind.

The union that the first Adam had with God before sin came in is now restored through the sacrifice and the blood of the Lamb of God His only begotten Son and Jesus' resurrection from the dead, now this union can again be with man through the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus.

The first Adam broke the union with God the last Adam repaired the union that is why I use the name Immanuel/Emmanuel God with us, again.

After the first Adam sinned God communicate through angels, and the prophets until Jesus and God communicated directly through Him. When Jesus as the high priest sprinkled His own blood in the holy of holies not made with hands, God now communicates directly to us, the union has been repaired. We are now His family, sons and daughters.

I hope this is enough for you to understand what I meant if not please let me know.

In the love of Jesus

RLW

You may think whatever you like but you cannot deny or ignore what is actually written in Genesis Ch3 Verse22+23 .

Hello Darlene. The "Trinity" is a big subject, but I'll give the basics for understanding it, even though it's full meaning remains beyond our limited minds. The word itself is nowhere found in the Bible; it is however used to describe God's Nature in the best way we can. "Trinity", or in another way, 'a state of being threefold' best expresses what God has revealed to us of Himself. You will also hear of: Godhead or Triunity - these also mean the same thing.

We believe that there is only One God: Isaiah 44:6, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his (Jacob's) redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Those who believe in the Trinity, do not believe in three gods - only One. However, throughout the Scriptures, especially in the New Testament, God reveals His Nature to us more fully. Just as we have immaterial parts within us (i.e. spirit & soul), so God is revealed to us by His Spirit & His Word. Zechariah 4:6 shows us both of these: ("Then he (the angel) answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the WORD of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my SPIRIT, saith the LORD of hosts).

Even as God is One God, in the unity of the Godhead there are three eternal, coequal entities (also referred to as Persons) Who are same in substance but distinct in subsistence. Both God's Word & Spirit have always reached out & ministered to people, whether through the mouths of the prophets or by special dealing with God's people. But that Word that was once spoken by the prophets to Israel, is now given to all of us through Jesus ( Hebrews 1:1-3). So the Spirit we know, but Who is Jesus? John 1:1-14 tells us that the Word that was that very part or substance of God, God has sent to Earth clothed in humanity, for "the suffering of death" - God came to us in the flesh, by His Word, for the salvation of sinners. See also Matthew 28:19 & 2 Corinthians 13:14 for expressions of the Triune God.