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Mark, Precious friend, there is NO water baptism, today, Under God's GRACE. ie:

Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then, we have to find out WHICH of the Many Various "denominational traditions" is the Correct one, Correct?

However, IF God Says "NO," as I believe All Scripture Shows below, then "yes" is OUT of the question, yes?:

"Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!

( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4)

( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes the {Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!? Also, "...we walk By FAITH, Not by sight..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7) Amen?

Mark, Precious friend, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

You are welcome sister, Thank you.

God bless

S spencer Thanks your first three statements cleared up everything, that was not communicated before, so God Bless its all good.

Brother theres no reason to get upset it was just clarification . God Bless

Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

1 John 3:2 (NOT GODS) I assume this is because of my response to Chris.

I BELIEVE that everyone on this site is here because God has CAUSED them to be here.

I BELIEVE all on this site are seeking TRUTH and God has CAUSED them to be here for that TRUTH.

We just SHARE God's Words; it's the SPIRIT that reveals the TRUTH.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT.....

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT....

There is only ONE SPIRIT (GOD)

Christ was the Firstborn of that ONE SPIRIT, being born again of that ONE SPIRIT we are Joint Heirs with Christ.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Mark 12:20 .... The Lord our God, is ONE LORD.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass (mirror) the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same IMAGE from glory to glory, even as by the (ONE) Spirit of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined into the Lord is ONE SPIRIT.

Ephesians 4:4....ONE SPIRIT....

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT

Joshua 22:22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods .....

John 10:34 Is it not written in you LAW, I said, ye are gods

Matthew 5:17 ....but to fulfil (the LAW).

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods: for his mercy endureth forever.

Hi Dianne.

When I say create, God brought nothing into something!! Whether you call him Lucifer, The Serpent, The Devil, Satan, Angel, or Cherub. Whether he turned Good to bad or bad to Good, ( In the beginning he didn't exist.) If there was no Lucifer there would be no Devil.

The question wasn't " Did God create the attributes of the Devil"

Lucifer was cast down "From his glorious position" and so did many other Angels, At onetime they didn't exist and God spoke them into existence.

Colossians 1:16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, VISIBLE and INVISIBLE, whether they be THRONES, or DOMINIONS, or PRINCIPALITIES, or POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, and for him:

ALL of creation, this World we live in now is nothing like it was when it was created. We only know of it post Adam sin.

Man is flesh, Sinful, unholy, ( The opposite of God, )

We are born descendants of Adam. Someday we will be like Christ.

1 John 3:2. (NOT GODS.)

1 Corinthians 15:45-49 . And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The world we know will someday be destroyed, and the Heavens,

All creation will be redeemed, There will be a new Heaven and earth. Revelation 21:1.

This creation will be known as the creation of old,

Did God create both the old and the new?

Yes he did.

God bless.

Right, God created all of us , an Lucifer had worked an earned his way, an God made him the full package, doing a very important an close to God position to be in charge of protecting the mercy seat , but his pride an ego , got to the point of him wanting to sit in the mercy seat an be God himself,.. the real sad part was not only did he defy God , but a third of our brothers an sisters were also deceived by Lucifer an followed him , creating a large problem, God , could either destroy Lucifer an a third of his children, or destroy the current situation, an create this age , an have us all , go threw it ( one time ) to decide if we love God , or Lucifer,.. Our father is a loving father, he could not just destroy a third of us , in good conscience. This age is a test, first were last an the last were first , an that's what decided your birth in this age. Everyone born to make there own decisions, an he sent prophets, an of course himself ( Jesus ) so far , you've passed the first test , being born of this age , for we know threw the book of Jude , 7000 , refusing to be born of this age, an instead leaving their place of habitation, to come an impregnate the daughters of Adam, which in turn made the giants , mixing a spiritual body of those of flesh , in turn having Noah , the only family not to mingle with the fallen angels, build that arch , an take 2 of EVERY flesh , for the flood to cleans the earth of the geber ( giants) it's been an unbelievable long story, an my frens , the best deceiver is yet to come , with his fallen angels, an the greatest tent revival this world has ever seen,.. will you be ready ? Will you be making that stand ? Will you know what it is God would have you do ? I hope so , an I hope you do ,..

peace be with you all

Nana Hi God created lucifer who in the beginning was a high ranking angel and rebelled against God and became the devil.

S Spencer I know your a stickler for what the word says and I respect that show me in those verses where it says the devil. He Was perfect the day he was created Lucifer then he changed he wasn't created that way. another question how can a God that's all love and light and heals produce a being his opposite. Now I'm gracefully ending this God bless.'

Hi Nana,

Yes God created the devil.

Read Ezekiel 28:12-19. take note of verses 14 and 15.

" Ezekiel 28:14-15. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast "CREATED", till iniquity was found in thee."

Psalms 148:2-5. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

" Let THEM praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were CREATED."

Colossians 1:16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

God bless.

Nana Just as adam has stated Everything God created was given freedom of will to obey Him or not including angels, the true God is not a control freak and does not make or control people to do things. If He was he could have stopped Adam and Eve. Even Jesus Christ in the Garden of gethsemane ask is there any other way. he was not forced to go to the cross he out of love for us gave Himself. Gods desire or will is for people to love him by there freedom of will that is a process of thought based on scripture. Hence the word of God Is the Will of God. So the more scripture in your head it can work in your believing Heart and be seen in your daily walk and talk. God Bless

Hello, God created everything, but He doesn't create our own choices. He loved us enough to give us freewill. We can use it for good or evil. The fact that satan was an angel in heaven and chose evil shows that even angels in heaven have freewill. So, heaven isn't filled with a bunch of obedient robots, but God-loving beings who choose love. Because most people choose evil, most people won't go to heaven.

God doesn't want people to sin. Sin is disobedience to God and immorality.

Those who are upset about evil existing often complain about freewill that others have to do evil (but not themselves). But if you're a parent and have a choice of forcing your child into compliance to say they love you, or hearing 'I love you' under their own choosing, which would be more genuine and meaningful to you?

God bless...

so does that mean that god created the devil

Earl what I stated has nothing to do with your comment about the flesh. God Bless

Earl with all due respect explain context of your reply that I gave in my response to S Spencer.

Earl I'm not saying this applies to you I've seen in the comments a lot of the things pulled out of context or misquoted I do not choose to believe these things are intentional why because my mind chooses the love of God thinketh no evil. Some things in Gods word need to be understood according to use of words in context or the eastern thought because the bible is an eastern book and there are other items that help clarify original meaning. In this regard I'm here to line it up with it is written and agree or disagree and say God Bless.

Earl Bowman In respect to what you wrote the spirit reveals through it is written 2 Peter 1: 20-21 Jesus Christ came the first time flesh to lost sheep House of Israel they rejected Him. The day of pentecost it became available for anyone via Romans 10:9+10 to be born again of Gods spirit i.e.Christ in you the Hope of glory Colossians 1:25-29 in the age of Grace this age we live in. In 1 Peter 1:10-12 this is so big the prophets were looking for it and the angels desired to look into. This is His body that will be gathered together 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 also 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. It's your privilege to believe what you choose ill stick with it is written. God Bless

Sister Dianne, words to THINK UPON:

Your reply to S Spencer, Onward till the RETURN of our Master.

I BELIEVE if you are BORN AGAIN, the Master has already come (to you) the SECOND TIME.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ (came the FIRST time in the flesh and) was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that LOOK (with spiritual eyes) for him shall he appear (as the Holy Spirit) the SECOND time (coming) without sin unto SALVATION.

You never see the thief, if you could see him he would not have spoiled your house.

Everyone one is LOOKING to see him with eyes of flesh.

That happens at his return to judge the world. Those seeing him; with eyes of flesh, will have missed the SECOND coming (being BORN OF THE SPIRIT).

The Born Again will be WITH HIM when he comes to judge the world.

Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

Amen. You should get a load of some of my recent replies!!

S Spencer This is sent just in case my first response didn't get through good point made some things on this web site can be a little bit challenging to figure out. Thanks again God Bless Onward to the return of Our Master.

Brother my apologies that is probably his point some things presented here can be taken more than one way.

Hi Dianne.

I believe He is asking what does

( that was made ) mean.

John 1:3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made "THAT WAS MADE."

God bless.

Genesis 1 26-27

And God said, Let US MAKE man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2: 21-23

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, MADE he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

S Spencer I understand that scripture but i don't buy scripturally that God Created evil in the very beginning in Genesis. The word can't contradict itself, it says God is love and God is light and God is pure how can a being with those attributes produce something evil or mean that is what his Son our lord and Saviour Delivered us from. He did not create the devil at one time the adversary was called lucifer who in the beginning was pure until he became full of pride and wanted to usurp Gods position of authority but again He didn't start out that way.

Hi Rickie.

John 1:3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made "THAT WAS MADE."

It means he created absolutely everything.

Colossians 1:16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

God bless.

Rickie John 1 In the Epistle of 1 John 4:8 Gods word states that God is Love, there fore it is Impossible for anything mean or evil to start out that way by God. Gods created spiritual beings and man in the beginning are given freedom of will because the true God doesn't force people to do things, christians serve out of love there is no manipulation the adversary lies, manipulates and uses the true Gods words to His advantage John 10:9 The thief cometh not but to steel kill and destroy, there's your mean guy, he didn't start out that way.

iohn ch 1 verse 3 all things were created by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

What is the part " that was made mean.

It happens. God knows you sorrow in your heart. Read Psalm 51.

And then read 1 John 1:9. Bend your knee and pray what that chapter is saying...from your heart.

You're not the only one who this has happened to.

Main thing to follow, is Jesus; His Bible. Get more and more of that in you. Be selective of things we all watch on media.

I've had 35 years to fall in love with the Holy Spirit. He's God; 3rd person of the Godhead. Had a part in creation of this world we live in. Every relationship is a process of getting to know each other. Not all is smooth sailing at first.

Read John chapters 14-17 and learn about the Comforter. Jesus went to the Cross to bring the Holy Spirit to us. The be inside. Reverence Him.

Gerald, my Precious friend, I'll take your question "2: How should we be baptized?" Better

is to first ask: Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then find out "how."

IF not, then no need to find that out, Correct? Here is my "Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli"priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITHThe Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things ThatDiffer!:

Mystery/GRACE! =our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul WasNot Sent to water baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,Spiritually Identifying members Into The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) MYSTERY/GRACE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONEOR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God'sAnswer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely "Solves" theMany Severely DIVIDED denominations' Confusion!?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

John 3:16

For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jesus was crucified for everyone. He suffered the wrath of God for everyone. Willingly. And He was raised up on the 3rd day. Victorious!

What you mentioned about PRE-GENESIS is called, "Old Earth Theory". It is a Cult of people that teach something that is not recorded in the Bible. "In Beginning" is when God created TIME. That is when the story began.

The whole ENTIRE BIBLE is about a PERSON. His name is Jesus.

John 1:1-5

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

If God had included a Book and Chapters about pre-Genesis; it would be in the Bible. But they didn't do that. The Book of John clearly explains that. God gave us archaeology, astronomy, and science to find HIM! to SEE HIM!

Romans 1

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE.

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him NOT as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

2 Peter 3: 7, 10-11

Rev 22:28-21

Deu 4:2, 13:32

2 Corinthians 11:13-14