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do you have any scripture to support that he is going to impregnate the world with his precious seed, or our child is the HG, I can't find any. thanks

When the Word was made flesh (Jesus), John 1:14 he came to publish God's Word and suffer on the cross for our salvation and before he was crucified, he preached to his apostles that he would send the Comforter Acts 2:4 after he goes to the Father, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Matthew 13:24 "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:" Matthew 13:37 "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;" Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;" Matthew 13:39 "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels." Matthew 13:40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world." Matthew 13:43 "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Luke 11:27 "And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 "But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

Hosea 5:4-7, Notice these 3 verses Hosea is speaking God the father, "They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD.

And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also shall fall with them.

They shall go with their flocks and with their herds to seek the LORD; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself from them.

They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.



Hosea 5:15,

Now as we get down to vs 15 he prophesied something strange...

Verse 15: I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

When did the Lord leave his place? and what specific offense is he speaking of? and what affliction is he speaking of? let's look at Mathews 23:39. " Matthew 23:39 (KJV) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Now of course they seen him again but he is saying here BEHOLD HIM AS A NATION. "NATIONALLY" Could their offence be rejection of the Messiah? Wd they be forced to call on him during the tribulation? "THE AFFLICTION " And when the Lord as mentioned in Hosea 5:15 and Jesus in Mathew 23:39. Does that nit them together as God? I will go and return to my place till" WHOS RETURNIN

Comments by Alex about who is Jesus Spritual Mother. i.e who is gonna birth Christ in their hearts and minds and every fiber of their being. Who is truly gonna be bornagain of an incoruptible seed, its the world, simply b/c that good seed is gona be sown in all the world Jesus said the field was the world where that good seed wd be sown ,When that Woman was Praising Mary Jesus said rather blessed are them that hear the WORD and keeps it. Who is my Mother them that hears the Word that good seed and keeps it. Which proves that he is gonna impregnate the world with his precious seed . Our Child is the H.G. from his words/seeds . Whosoever receives one such child in MY NAME receives me. As we have borne the image of the earthly we must also bear the image of the HEAVENLY ( being born from above ) Remember he always refered to himself as the son of man. later

God tells Isaac that he will multiple his seed, Genesis 26:3 "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; " Genesis 26:4 "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"

God is God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; Exodus 3:6 "Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?"

Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Exodus 3:15 "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

Matthew 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Comments by Alex about Exodus 3 v 15 God told Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob and my memorial to ALL generations, God was plainly telling Moses that his Kingdom was a type of Abraham Issac and Jacob that was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven BUT THAT HIS Kingdom was 3 Just as Abraham Issac and Jacob were 3 but wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven . Thus an Israel of God wd be on the horizon. That was the great Promise when God swore by his very self that CHRIST a type of Issac that was offered up wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven thus the sower and his precious seed the word, resulting in an ISRAEL OF GOD which answers to the Woman in rev. 12 and her seed which are spirits thats y Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirts thats the H.G. the children of Promise the multiplication of Christ in US SINNERS ,i.e our heavenly birth via his seed THUS GODS GRANSONS, th babes and the sucklings Jesus spoke of that wd praise God perfectly. They are Gods Gransons being they are the CHILDREN OF JESUS, Its JESUS that sows that good seed IN US resulting in the birth of the H.G. IN US. Remember his breath was his word thus his seed thus Jesus is the father of the H.G. They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin he has a seed to sow in humanity. Remember that great Promise I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven. Jesus is gonna multiply himself in US with his precious seed the WORD . My lil children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you which is the H.G th CHild of PROMISE , THAT ISRAEL OF GOD VIA THE SEED OF Christ. Gods gransons. The weaned Child and the sucking Children that is gonna lead us all into all truth that isaiah 11 tells us of in that last day. Thus there is a baby Christ in our future, thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN which is mans kinds fruit unto God the children of PROMISE TH H.G. The woman in Rev. 12 is the direct result of the sower and his seed a baby Christ in US.

Thanks Rick. Of course, I understand that certain 'English' words needed to be used to closely interpret the original language & at times there would be limitations to its intended meaning simply because of the nature of languages. But I believe that we do have as best a translation as possible that can be totally relied upon & with ample supporting Scriptures throughout which we can use to cross-reference to learn the meaning.

But if you sense that words have been added or subtracted from the Bible to suit someone's whims & fancies, then we fall into the same trap as our Islamic accusers who believe that the Bible has been altered using the same accusation of addition & subtraction. When I ask proof from them, all they have is to compare it to the Quran & have no idea what biblical Scriptures have been changed or when the changes occurred.

I realize that you're not suggesting that, but that in a lesser way you suggest that there are word usages in the Bible that may not be in the original. Then again, the request has to be declared, 'Where are the changes in the Bible & how have they affected the Truth shared or our understanding of them?' I've re-looked at my references ( Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3, if these are the ones in your focus), & stand by in my understanding as given in the Word. What I would however like to read from someone, is that some other Scripture(s) has been found that should alter my understanding, to which I would be compelled to give due consideration. But thus far, with all my efforts (bar Robert Malit latterly), none have come forward. Disappointing.

A description from one of my bible study books from my youth, "The only true God is the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three distinct Persons in one divine Being" I watch Billy Graham on a regular basis, and he explained it in one of his sermons as water; you have liquid, ice, and vapor. three separate forms but one of the same as in H2O. There is God the Father, the Word was made flesh (Jesus) for our salvation through the cross, and the Holy Ghost guides us to the cross (conscience) This I know is hard to understand if at all with our finite minds, but nowhere in the bible does it say that we must understand, but only believe (faith). I've submitted a few verses of scripture to support what I'm trying to say but there are several others throughout the NT starting with Matthew1:18, I hope this helps you

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

I understand Rick. However, my reply was to Robert Malit who has made some interesting comments that I seek clarification on. And it's true, that the Doctrine of the Trinity is complex & beyond our human comprehension, as we've never seen or experienced anything like it in our earthly sojourn (apart from applying some weak examples to describe it).

But what we do understand of it that's found in the Word is worthy of discussion, understanding & acceptance. The real question then is: if Jesus isn't an indivisible part of the Godhead (whether pre or post incarnation), does that belief affect our faith in any way, God's acceptance of us & indeed our salvation? If the answer is "No", our deliberations on this doctrine are indeed wasted. But if "Yes", it's important that we believe what Scripture, as written, says about it for our learning & for the basis & truth of our faith. Then 2 John 1:7 becomes a very cutting Word to us, as clearly John speaks of those who don't acknowledge Jesus (as God's Word) has come in the flesh - the same thought he carries through from his Gospel. There are many today, as in those early Church days, who denied the deity of Christ: they certainly believed in an historical Jesus (they saw & heard Him), but to know & believe that this One of God came out of God, is blasphemy to them & reveals a 'different' spirit of utterance.

However, I never pursue this, or any other teaching, with those who would refrain; but if a comment is made, then it is proper that the Scriptures are properly exegeted in support, or else we are just mouthing empty words into the air that may well be the cause of ignorance & diversion from the Truth for many seeking help in the Word. Blessings to you.

Hi Cris, here is my reply

Answer to your questions, back up with biblical proofs:

Colossians 1:16 - 17 16For by him (JESUS) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (JESUS), and for him (JESUS): 17And he (JESUS) is before all things, and by him (JESUS) all things consist.

1 John 1:3 Context 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:19 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69 68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 7:56 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 10:12 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Peter 3:22 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Perspective Helps Us Understand God

Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere;

Oh please... Read the gospel of John.

The Bible is the true inerrant Word of God. It says in John 1:

1 ) In the begginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 ) He was with God in the beginning.

3 ) Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

4 ) In him was life, and that light was the light of men.

5 ) The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

God is a triune being:

Father

Son

Holy Spirit

Three persons but One God.

Jesus the Son spoke the universe into existence. Jesus is the Word. Jesus has many names. God has many names.

We must be careful to not lead people astray. We should only comment on God and the Bible by using scripture to support our beliefs.

With love and prayers,

So I think I understand you: that God was alone in Heaven in eternity & it was Him & the cherubim that were involved in the creative work. And then when it came time for Jesus' appearance, you said "God manifested as a man name Jesus in New Testament; God as the Holy Spirit in Resurrection - all of these titles only belongs to Jesus."

So to the first point & to my first response to you on this matter: how do you understand Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3 & following verses?

To your second point: if God is now manifested as Jesus, & I assume you say that there is presently no God in Heaven except Jesus Who now God, then what do you make of Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, & others. I'm confused.

I suppose the Trinity issue doesn't come up until these points are dealt with first. Thank you.

Robert. Just to clarify: Genesis 1:26a, "And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness". With your added reference to Ezekiel 10:19, I gather you're stating that it wasn't Jesus (the Word) in "us", but God is speaking of the cherubim. So God used these heavenly beings to assist in the creation of mankind. Interesting.

What would you do with Colossians 1:16,17: "For by him (Jesus is spoken of here as we see before & after these verses) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." How does this fit in with the cherub activity in creation?

John 1:1-3. I don't understand your point. What are the changes in the Bible versions (NKJV & ESV) you see? Is it the use of the words, "by" & "through", as in "All things were made by Him, or through Him". I can see the difference in meaning, but the intent is the same: that it was the Word of God that participated in creation with God (whether the creating work was from the Word or through the Word) and this Word was subsequently made human & His Glory was seen, as One come out of God (v 14). I await your clarification.

To the best of my understanding, it seems to be that God can be understood as 3 entities(God the Father, God the Son, The Holy Spirit) who are 1 in heart, so they are the same in the sense that they would make the same decisions, and feel the same way. I find it difficult to fully grasp as well, but I suppose we won't fully grasp it until we go to heaven, but maybe someone can do a better job explaining it than I did.

Continuation of my comments

JUSTIFICATION OF GOD'S USED OF PLURAL PRONOUNS "US & OUR" = HE IS SURROUNDED BY CHERUBIMS AS MESSENGERS

Ezekiel 10:19 Context 19And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 20This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

1.TAKES AWAY FROM = preposition "by"

2.ADDS = preposition "through" and replaced preposition "by"

3.PURPOSE OF THIS CHANGE = justifies there is a Triune God or Trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

4.CHANGE CONTRADICTS THE TRUTH = there is no biblical truth to support the Trinity in the Bible

5.NULLIFIES = these subtle changes nullify the written word of God or truth in the Bible - BLASPHEMES GOD = AN UNPARDONABLE SIN

THIS IS THE TRUTH - TRUE GOSPEL OF GOD

KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE = MOST ACCURATE VERSION

John 1:1-3 KJV 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

THIS IS WHAT THE FALSE TEACHERS HAD DONE TO JUSTIFY THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE - 3 persons in 1 God, (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

NEW KING JAMES VERSION = CHANGED - CONTRADICTS TRUTH

John 1:1-3 NKJV 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

WHAT THEY DID IS BLASPHEMED GOD - AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN. BY USING FLOWERY WORDS, THEY DECEIVED THEIR FOLLOWERS.

Just to add: I liken the 'cloven tongues as of fire' that descended on the apostles as a witness to those around of this first instance of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon men. This was similar to the descent of the Holy Spirit on Jesus at the time of John's baptism in the form of a dove ( John 1:32), as a witness to John & those around. However, at Pentecost, there was a double witness, in that it was not only a visible sight of the Spirit's anointing, but a verbal witness as the Spirit gave them utterance to speak unlearned languages.

But bear in mind that the fire & the dove that describes the Spirit's anointing should not be seen as actual fire or an actual dove, but merely a description of God's presentation to people there. In fact, a dove could not be used by God, as that would depict God in animal form, which amounts to idolatry & breaking of the second commandment.

I also believe Jesus Christ and God the Father to be two. Although one in each other. I do not see it ridiculous to say that. As Jesus Christ was born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. He is part God and part man like no other. No one comes to the Father but by Him. As I'm sure you know.

You can never be one with your wife as Christ is one with God. That is totally different. As Christ stating the words he spake are not of Himself but of the Father that dwelleth in Him. John 14:10 A husband and wife is not like that.

I'm not sure what you believe? Do you believe Jesus Christ was with God before the world was? As in:

John the baptist stating the Messiah existed before him John 1:15

The Word becoming flesh and dwelling among us as the only begotten of the Father John 1:14

Jesus stating "before Abraham was I am" John 8:58

Jesus stating the glory He had with the Father before the world was John 17:5

As Christians we do believe in the triune God, throughout the NT Jesus and the apostles explain this, these are only a few bible verses to confirm this.

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."

1 John 5:11 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

Romans 12:1+2 are good starts , also take a look at collosians 3:1-10 these verses pertain to believers in the church born again written to the church of God. Also look at 1John 1: 15-17 keep something in mind that word love is wanting something above God supplying your need, more in category of lust. The reason I mention this is our Father shall supply our need according to his Riches in Glory by CHrist Jesus, therefore genuine need is not sin as long as it does not go against His Word. Many men of God in the word had abundance given by God as long as they did HIs Word.

Linda, to answer your question simply put, no. Jesus said in ( John 3:3) "Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of God." meaning that we must some how be reborn to go to heaven. Some will assert that ( John 3:5) shows that we must be baptized by water, and receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit to be saved, This is easily refuted with scripture. Remember God cannot lie ( Titus 1:2) Therefore, Scripture cannot contradict itself. If God required baptism for salvation, then Jesus Christ lied to the thief on the cross. ( Luke 23:43) Jesus IS God ( John 1:1). He CANNOT lie. God made the way to heaven very simple, so easy that even a child can understand and accept. It is not based on our works ( Ephesians 2:8-9) but on our faith in Christ and His FINISHED work on the cross. We must first understand that we are a sinner in need of a Savior. ( Romans 3:23) ... When we see that there is a penalty for our sin. ( Romans 6:23) That we cannot pay the penalty on our own, but Jesus Christ, loved us so much that He came, lived the perfect life, fulfilled the law, and became sin for us on the cross to pay our sin debt for us. ( Romans 5:8) Then believing the gospel by faith, we accept the GIFT of God, confess our belief in Him, and ask Him to save us. ( Romans 10:9-13) There are MEN who will take God's gift and want to say that in order to receive it you will need to do this or that, but whenever we add WORKS to the equation the GIFT ceases to be a gift. Repentance is a turning from self and a turning toward Christ.

Comments by Alex about John 1 v 13 KJV . Its actually speaking of a new Creature which is the H.G. our new INNERMAN. Its he that is Preordained before the world was NOT US .God wd not preordain satan our old adamic nature .Its that Christ that is born in US that was preordained before the world was . Thats y John said he that cometh after me is preferred before me. Thats the H.G that comes after us via the seed of Christ not our old adamic nature that is gona be destroyed with his baptism of fire and the H.G. My lil children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you,Its that Christ that is formed in us that was preordained before the world was, not our old adamic nature aka as the OLD MAN THE FLESH ,God's enemy is our OLD Adamic nature that is in rank with satan. God wd not preordaine satan , our old adamic nature. The only one preordained before the world was is Christ and his seed that is gona be planted in the hearts of everyman after the book is opened which is the NEW COVENANT. An Israel of God When Jesus will sow that good seed in the hearts of every man . God says he will know them ALL from the least to the greatest, Not like the old covenant .They shall no more teach their neighbor or their friends know the Lord ,They shall ALL KNOW ME AND THEIR SINS AND INIQUITIES WILL I Remember NO MORE. This is a much different covenant then the old covenant ,Thats y Jesus was saying if i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME . Thats y that image in Daniel 2 is destroyed even tho it had a head of gold. It was not perfect,thus when that which is prefect is come that which is done in part will be done away with . k later

Yes. And Jesus is also a Father to Israel, the church, his body because he is the Son of David. He is the head of the body, and therefore the brain power of the body. He has also given us the power to become sons of God because we believe on his name ( John 1:12).

The church is the New Jerusalem. The ancient nation of Isreal can only access God the Father through Christ, their promised Messiah. If they reject Christ, they have not God the Father ( 1 John 5:12; 2:23).

God told me to tell everybody that he is coming and told me to warn the very least among us from the son of perdition (doom), the anti-christ, from Daniel's little horn (the kingdom of Judea). On march 22, 2019, God woke me up about 2:02 in the morning to the sound of the trumpet, followed by the declaration, "Jesus, the Messiah."

God also told me "The next One World Order will be Communism where the military again will be champion."

He told me also, "The Beast will come from the Mediterranean" and "When the World Dictator comes he will have a translator with him."

He has told me many things that I have documented and will share for free when I am done writing.

Please join me in letting others know that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is coming very soon but before he comes, the anti- christ ( 2 Thess. 2:1-12).

Those who reject Christ are in opposition to Christ or anti- christ (Judaism and Islam). They are striving over an inheritance from their father Abraham that they can only access through the cross.

You're right Brandon, I could do everything possible for my son to be like me in character, spiritual awareness & direction in life & even if I succeeded, he would still always be my son, a separate human being in his own right.

But one cannot hold to such thinking of God, compelling Him to replicate or be confined to the limitations & humanness of our minds & ways. He is the One from Whom it was written that He could create out of stones, children unto Abraham ( Luke 3:8). If we think in human terms, then yes, Jesus is only a (created) Son of God. If we abide by the Scriptures, then Jesus Who is the Image of the Invisible God, is more than a 'spittin image' of the Father - He has the very Image, Character, Essence of God's Holiness & Being, of the Father, having proceeded from Him. And that is why John 1:1-14 becomes a very difficult passage for non-trinitarians, because they can never give another explanation to it, as its declaration is abundantly clear: the Word that came from God became flesh. And apart from Jesus, I don't think that those verses could apply to any other.

Our Salvation is paid for us through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ on the cross, and all we need to do is repent, and believe, (Faith) and live a Godly life, knowing that when we fail, and we all do, we need to ask for forgiveness in prayer on a daily basis, and also give thanks for all the blessing we also receive on a daily basis.

In Galatians, chapter 5 Paul explains the fruits of the flesh and the fruits of the Spirit, I pray this helps,

1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

1 John Chapter 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.

Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."

17; "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,"

Galatians 5:23 "Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

John 3:16

For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Last time I checked, that scripture still stands prominently in the Bible. Jesus was crucified for everyone. He suffered the wrath of God for everyone. Willingly. And He was raised up on the 3rd day. Victorious!

What you mentioned about pre-Genesis is called, "Old Earth Theory". It is a Cult of people that teach something that is not recorded in the Bible. "In Beginning" is when God created TIME. That is when the story began.

The whole ENTIRE BIBLE is about a PERSON. His name is Jesus.

John 1:1-5

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

If God had included a Book and Chapters about pre-Genesis; it would be in the Bible. But they didn't do that. The Book of John clearly explains that. God gave us archaeology, astronomy, and science to find HIM; to SEE HIM.

Romans 1

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from FAITH TO FAITH: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE.

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him NOT as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

My dear friend, if you are posting questions so you can have a fight that is not good. Only dogs fight ( Revelation 22:15; Revelation 11:1-2). The word Elohim (God) is plural (Eloah being its singular) See: ( Genesis 1:2; Genesis 1:26; John 1:1; Isaiah 9:6; Deuteronomy 6:4). Your line of reasoning is the same as saying that while your mother and father are Williams, you are simply Kevin so you do not wear their title because you are only the son. There is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Please read Revelation 19:11-16, Revelation 1, Ezekiel 1, John 1. Read also the apostle Paul to the Phillipians (Philipians 2:12).

However, I will not continue this... Matthew 13:41. May God bless you.

As Christians we believe in the triune God; Father, Son and Holy Ghost, three distinct Persons in one divine Being, or Essence. (The Holy Trinity)

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

"There is not a single verse that says Jesus is God the Son" bla bla bla Son of God.. Here does it say straight out GOD, Almight, Mighty GOD. This is not an eye problem but an heart problem for the deity of Yeshua The Messiah

1. Your throne, O God. Heb 1:8

2. Thy throne, O God. Ps 45:6

3. the Word was God. John 1:1

4. My Go.d John 20:28

5. The mighty. God Isa 9:6

6. God and Savior. Jesus Christ

7. the Lord God / the Almighty. Rev 1:8

8. God and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Pet 1:1

"Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy." Hebrews 1:8

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psalm 45:6

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Titus 2:13

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev 1:8

Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Pet 1:1

As Christians we believe in the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, which is impossible to understand with our finite minds,

I believe one needs to read the first chapter of John (where he calls Jesus the Word) and also 1 John chapters 4 and 5 we may have a better understanding of the Trinity

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

1 John 5:5

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

The message is always: FLEE, FLEE, FLEE. 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body."

Other sins may have an impact on oneself, whether immediate or in time. But fornication is sin that has immediate effect on both the body & mind that will eat away & lead to destruction.

But a person won't flee unless it is determined that danger is present. One has to look at the Scriptures, all the way from Israel's behaviour in the Old Testament to some Christians' behaviour in the New Testament, that the warning about sexual sin is everywhere. Once we understand the gravity of this sin, as other sins also, we will not come to the Saviour for salvation & receive His Power to overcome. Mostly we sin when tempted because we enjoy sinning & maybe believe that God cares not or easily forgives us when we do. James 1:15. However, some Christians are not on guard against the enemy's taunts to sin, & easily fall into his traps. Whatever our reason, we must know that any sin displeases the Lord & if we should stumble & fall into sin, there is still a place of repentance & forgiveness for us. 1 John 1:9.

The ways to handle this sin or any sin, is to first know your position as a child of God, purchased at a great cost. You belong to Him & it is God's desire & should be yours too, to refrain from all sin & all appearance of evil. That's not always easy & we can succumb to temptations: we need to strengthen our minds & hearts from God's Word (i.e. read & meditate on it daily); we need to be in much prayer about that area of weakness in our lives, that the Spirit's Power will avail for us at the moment of testing; when temptation knocks at our door, we turn the other way, we run to the Lord; put your mind, your hands, your body to other good uses; even mix with company that don't open up a way of temptation or sin for you, rather ready to support & help you. May God help you.

In the Bible, we see God as a trinity because it mentions that God, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit each did these things below:

Each is ETERNAL ( Rom 16.26, Re 22:13, Heb 9:14)

HOLY (Re 4:8, 15:4, Ac 3:14, 1 John 2:20)

OMNIPRESENT ( Jer 23:24, Eph 1:23, Ps 139:7)

OMNIPOTENT( Ge 17:1, Rev 1:8, Ro 15:19, Jer 32:17, Heb 1:3, Lu 1:35)

ONMISCIENT (Ac 15:18, Joh 21:17, 1 Cor 2:10,11)

CREATOR ( Gen 1:1, Col 1:16, Job 33:4, Ps 148:5, John 1:3, Job 26:13)

SANCTIFIER ( Jude 1:1, Heb 2:11, 1 Pe 1:2)

RESURRECTED CHRIST ( 1 Co 6:14, Joh 2:19, 1 Pe 3:8)

Hope that helps.