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Mabel, In addition to my comment that I already sent, in Exodus 20 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me . So let me ask you this question, why would God, who is a jealous God, create another God so that people can worship him? Exodus 34 14 For thou shalt worship no other god for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God And in Revelation 1 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. So I ask you who is to come? Jesus Christ who is God manifested in the flesh. He is both Lord and Christ. It is a mystery but he is God, 1 Timothy 3 16.

Hello Mabel You know the story of Jesus Christ being in the wilderness and being tempted by Satan? There was only two beings in that scenario, one was Jesus Christ and the other was Satan. Is this correct? Matthew 4 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God . Another witness to this is found in Luke 4 12. In both of these scriptures Jesus Christ is acknowledging his deity. If I can say it like this, Jesus was telling Satan you cannot tempt me I am God. If you read in John 14 8 9 to sum theses scriptures up, Philip ask Jesus Christ to shew us the Father, Jesus Christ out of his own mouth once again acknowledged that he was the Father. In the end, there is no three separate beings in which to worship there is only one. It is a mystery but it is only one being that holds all three positions and his name is Jesus Christ.

I believe in the Holy Trinity. God in three person. Remember Jesus told us that he is in the Father and the Father is in him. The Holy Spirit who is a part of the Trinity, was given to us as Jesus promised when he returned to heaven. The day when he descended is known as the day of Pentecost. His last commission to his disciples was "All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. "...

Hi Chatuana. I have another question. Rom 10 9 10 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. It seems that He raised Himself from the dead is that how you would interpret the scripture? Wouldn 't it better read and believe in your heart that He raised Himself from the dead rather than the use of the word God?

Hi Chatuana, Thanks for your replies. Could you please explain how your theology fits with the baptism of Jesus? the Father 's voice from heaven, the Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus and Jesus in the water. To me this all sounds like three separate actions. What do you think?

Hi Mabel thanks for your reply, Do you think Jesus Christ is like the devil? The devil was kicked out of heaven because he wanted the praise and worship directed to him. Jesus on a number of occasions was worshiped as God e.g. John 9 37 38 Jesus said to him. You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you. 38 Then he said, Lord, I believe! And he worshiped Him. " Jesus doesn 't correct him accepting the worship. How do you think the almighty God feels about that? Your argument while sounding impressive about pronouns is flawed in the light of other passages of scripture. If Jesus was sinless as the bible says if He accepted the worship and wasn 't God then He was a liar. Which He isn 't.

I am sorry that the pasted Greek verses were not possible to be printed. May be it could have been more explainable .

I don 't know if this print in Greek will come out right but I am trying. The definite article is actually "o " and is the Word. , , . 2 . 3 , In the Beginning was the LOGOS, and the LOGOS was with GOD, and the LOGOS was God. He was from the beginning with God. All things were made by Him....

Actually, in the Greek text, the definite article ho, the, appears before the first God, but there is no article before the second. Regarding the Son s prehuman existence, John says In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. Joh 1 1, NW The King James Version and the Douay Version read In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Again in the Greek text, the definite article ho, the, appears before the first God, but there is no article before the second. Other translations aid in getting the proper view. The interlinear word for word reading of the Greek translation in the Emphatic Diaglott reads In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word. The accompanying text of the Diaglott uses capital and small capital letters for the God, and initial capital and lowercase letters for the second appearance of God in the sentence In the Beginning was the LOGOS, and the LOGOS was with GOD, and the LOGOS was God. These renderings would support the fact that Jesus, being the Son of God and the one used by God in creating all other things Col 1 15 20 , is indeed a god, a mighty one, and has the quality of mightiness, but is not the Almighty God.

Hello Colin Lambert In addition to my response that I gave to both you and Mark, which I hope comes out today or tomorrow, is it hard to believe that the God we serve cannot hold all three positions. He is Omnipotent. He is all powerful. He can do anything he wants to. This is why it is a mystery. Think about it like this, I will use myself as an example, not comparing me to God, but giving an example of what God created. I am a mother, someone 's daughter, a wife, and granddaughter, however it is just one of me. I hold all of these positions but yet it is just me. Man is made up of body, soul, and spirit, but yet all three is housed into one being. Our God did the same with Jesus Christ. John 10 30 Jesus Christ states I and my father are one.

Hello Colin Lambert and Mark When you speak of the trinity, if I understand correctly you believe that there is three separate beings in the godhead, there is not. Jesus does not dwell in the godhead with three other beings. In Jesus Christ all the fullness of the godhead bodily dwells in him. The scripture states the following Colossians 2 9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily . There are no three separate beings. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. John 1 1 states that the Word was God. John 1 3 states all things were made by him. John 1 10 states that He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not . John 1 14 states that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory . You have to ask yourself, who was made flesh? Who created the world? Who walked among them? The answer is Jesus Christ. There is only one being who holds all three offices. The scripture that I gave you even states the obvious, 1 Timothy 3 16. A part of that states God manifest in the flesh. You have to ask yourself, who was manifested in the flesh? The answer is Jesus Christ. In the end, I do not believe in the trinity meaning that there are three separate beings in the godhead. However, I do believe that Jesus Christ was God manifested in the flesh and dwelt among men and we beheld his glory. I do believe that the Holy Ghost name is Jesus Christ John 14 26.

Lets take a toll, How many people believe that Jesus is the sacrifice? How many people believe that Jesus is a manifestation of God

We are left to examine what the bible does reveal about God 's word. unfortunately there are many of us who does not agree as to what the bible does reveal, I personally would love to agree that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins, why did Jesus exist to be a sacrifice or a manifestation of God. please help me to understand what is the truth. What was the reason for Jesus 's existence? Was it to be a sacrifice or was it to be a manifestation of God?

It isn 't really a matter of having an open mind as much as what does God say in His word. If God in eternity is a three part person as One God and that is what the bible reveals then that is what it is. Why is this a scary concept? The word Jesus was with God His Father and the Holy Spirit in the beginning not only that the word Jesus was God. To me the scripture is clear. If you can accept that you are a three part person and are made in the image of God, why does it seem strange that God also isn 't a three part God? Not three God 's but co equal and co eternal.

It scares me to have an open mind and consider that Jesus is simply a manifestation of God in the flesh and not God 's son. I think that there is only one God, I do not believe that there is three Gods. I believe that there is God his son and the Holy Ghost all representing God.

Hi Chatuana, Are you saying you don 't believe in the trinity? Did God leave heaven to the angels when He came in the flesh? At the baptism of Jesus did God leave a recording in heaven before He became flesh, left a mannequin in the water to be baptised and then zipped back to heaven to descend in the form of the Holy Spirit? One God in three persons seems to be a better fit. I say this with respect wanting to understand your theological position. Colin Lambert

Hello Colin Lambert and Ben Remembering that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh this is a mystery. There are no three gods to worship. Jesus Christ is God all by himself. There is no other. 1 Timothy 3 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. It is something to think about, as a human born of a woman he drank milk from Mary s breast. As God he made the milk that came from the breast he nursed. This is something to really think about.

Jesus derived his humanity from Mary and His divinity from God. The incarnation is truly a mystery. Did Jesus have a human spirit or the Holy Spirit in His incarnation? Or perhaps a measure of the Holy Spirit or a measure of both? Oh my aching head! Christ was the second Adam and was as Adam should have been sinless. Jesus didn 't inherit original sin because He was sinless. It seems to me that the Spirit of Christ has always been the Holy Spirit. At His water baptism when He was also baptised in the Holy Spirit I suspect Jesus simply had more of Him.

God is a spirit, and humans all possess a spirit as well. The spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and we must remember that we are made in the image of God and not the other way round. So Jesus in the flesh from which humans were fashioned is the image of God our Father, the image we will see on the throne in heaven. Because he was in the flesh, Jesus did not directly refer to Himself as God, though He had every right to as He was filled with the Holy Spirit, and in Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead. Jesus is not sitting at the right hand side of the Father as many Trinitarians mistakenly potray, but rather at the right hand of the Father symbolising His position and power. His authority will, at the end of all things being made subject to Him, will then be made subject to the Father so that God maybe all in all. He was not, is not and cannot be separate from the Father. He is in the Father just as the Father is in Him. Just remember that God is omnipresent and the mystery is great.

Hello Mark On the day of Pentecost when there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire and it sat upon each of them. The word cloven means split. The first 120 saints of God spoke in two languages that day. One language was for those who were around them that heard it could understand them glorifying God in their native tongue. They knew that these people had no knowledge of how to really speak in the many different known languages at that time, but they heard them. See back then Galilaeans were thought to be uneducated people. So for the people to hear them speak everyone in their own language they were confounded. The second language that was heard those around them could not understand because that was a heavenly language in which only God himself could understand. It is a new language. That is the language that connects us with God. The people standing around thought they were drunk. The purpose of this demonstration was to show people that when the spirit of the Lord comes upon a person that person will speak a language unknowing to them. I have heard preachers say that they were in China and a woman who was never educated in the English language when God filled her with the Holy Ghost she spoke perfect English and magnified God. This let them know that she was truly filled. When God fills a person with his gift there is a recognition in which both the true believers here and the person themselves know that they said something they do not understand.

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Hello Mark I will give you one scripture that will answer your question. 1 Timothy 3 16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory ". Now my question for you is who was in the flesh? Who was justified in the Spirit? Who was seen of angels? Who preached to the Gentiles? Who was received up into glory? The answer to all of these question is our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. It is a mystery.

lets get it straight, I am a person that believes on the basis that I have heard people speak in other tongues that I know had no knowledge of how to speak in another language. I have herd it many times over and again.

If you only agree that it is God himself that has manifested himself in the flesh and deny the sacrifice, and say God himself sacrificed himself you simply deny the sacrifice of the son. Do you all deny the sacrifice? or do you claim that it was God himself that made the sacrifice?

If we can agree that God his father has given Jesus all power and authority to call him Lord then maybe we could start with the understanding of how we call him lord and God

I believe that there is only one God, and that God happens to be the father of Jesus. I do not believe that Jesus is God. I do not take away from Jesus s sacrifice, the bottom line is who sacrificed? Are you saying God himself sacrificed? Or are you denying the son sacrifice?

Hello Terry Thank you for that scripture. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. He sent back the comforter which is the Holy Ghost in his name. There is only one God.

Jesus says in John 10 30, "I and my Father are one. "

GOD BEGIN HIS FAVOR IN MY LIFE.

Jesus says in John 10 30, "I and my Father are one. "