Discuss John 20 Page 2

  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi David.

    After we go through the bible we come to the last book and it's called The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

    This is the conclusion of what's written the other 65 books.

    Here's the scope and purpose of John's writings

    In John 20:30-31. "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

    John's purpose was to introduce the readers of his gospel to Jesus Christ, establishing Who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He did, all with the sole aim of leading them to embrace the saving work of Christ.

    JOHN 1:1

    The Greek word translated "Word" in this passage is Logos.

    In that day they understood the usage of the term. Word/Logos.

    John is introducing Jesus with a word or a term that both his Jewish and Gentile readers would have been familiar with.

    John is in a sense pointing them back to the Old Testament where the Logos or "Word" of God is associated with the personification of God's revelation.

    In the Old Testament the "word" of God is often personified as an instrument for the execution of God's will.

    John is pointing them back to the Old Testament.

    The term Logos brought forth the idea of a "mediating principle" between God and the world in that day.

    But John goes beyond the familiar concept of Logos that his Jewish and Gentile readers would have had as a mediating principle and uses Logos to present Jesus as God's perfect revelation of Himself in the flesh.

    In John 14:8-9 we see the word of God in the flesh representing what the accurate Logos/Words of the old testament said who would come.

    This is what Jesus is telling Phillip.

    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    In this regard I believe you are right.

    GB.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 1 year ago
    Hi Ashleyreagen44,

    I agree with Adam, as we see in Genesis 2:7 that when God breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life he became a living soul. When this spirit of life that is given by God leaves us, we are no longer a living soul. Ecclesiastes 12:7 the spirit goes back to God who gave it, that is for all people, saved or not saved.

    We cannot live without the spirit, our breath as James 2:26 said without it our body is dead. When we stop breathing and that spirit goes back to God, we are no longer a living soul, as Jesus said on the cross, I commend my spirit, His breath then He died. Jesus did not go to heaven He went to the tomb/grave the same as we will. Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after He was resurrected, John 20:17.

    My understanding is the confusion comes from Greek Philosophy, the meaning of death, Hades, and the immortality of the soul that merged into the Church with Augustine with the teaching on human nature and the afterlife to Greek philosophies.

    Daniel 12:2 is the same as John 5:28-29 that we see in Revelation 20:11-15, the sheep and the goats, we see the last enemy cast into the lake of fire death, and hell/grave. My understanding of Scripture we are mortal, and our breath/spirit goes back to God and our soul no longer lives but is asleep in the grave until we are resurrected from the grave. This body is not what is resurrected it is our soul into our new body, and that is when we will be absent from this body, 1 Cor. 15:42-58.

    Can I tell someone who thinks their loved one is in heaven their wrong? No, that would be hurtful. If they ask for my understanding, this is what Scripture says to me.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    The church beyond five senses: the spiritual realm (cont)

    Continuing the thought of the invisible realm (see John 20:29); we begin to understand the promises of God's protection of His saints ( Psalm 91:11; Isaiah 52:12) through the angels; we see how to correctly "bind and loose" ( Matt. 16:19); how to align more closely to what Christ is interceding in our behalf in seeking His will ( Heb. 7:25); and of course see those in bondage loosed from Satan's grip ( Luke 4:18-19) taken from Isaiah 61:1.

    Those who love Him keep His commandments ( John 14:21) and originally found in Deuteronomy 7:9. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom ( Proverbs 9:10 but found many other places in scripture).

    For a case study; let us examine 1 Corinthians 14:22-25 where we have tongues and prophecy as applying to unbelievers in one verse then switch to believers in the next verses. This means that evidence of the power of God needs to be present AND a clear message relatable to the sinner or saint present given. In reality there cannot be a supernatural manifestation of the Spirit WITHOUT a piercing of the soul ( Hebrews 4:12) that is of course accompanied by the Gospel as the rest of the verse indicates. It also shows how a church must be corrected as He chastises all His own (found further on in Hebrews 12 verse 6).

    The fact that some spiritual activity is occuring isn't evidence that God is at work; it could be demons. The fact that this was still a place where His Spirit was at work was evident in the fact that Paul's severe discipline had results; and that right quick (as the Brits like to say). This is clear from chapter 7 of 2 Corinthians. As I started off this discourse; I mentioned the Ephesians. They were threatened with total removal of their candlestick in Revelation 2. Therefore; being dead would be worse than immature; even with all the correct doctrines and outer actions; ceremonies; etc.

    John 16:8 shows how the true Spirit of God works.
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    You are replying to a comment by "Bagwill" 5 days ago:

    Where in the Bible does it say that it's okay for women to be preachers.

    MOUNTHOREB REPLY: Woman can prophecy not new info outside of the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:15-17. However, They preach what they have learned to others outside of the church or congregation. When asked a question about the bible. a woman can reply to anyone who is asking the question. even if it's a man, elder 1 Timothy 3 or someone in authority. but within the church or congregation 1 Timothy 3, a woman does not have authority over a man to speak to the whole church or Congregation 1Timothy 2:11,12,14 (unless there's no men available, if this is the case she covers her head within the congregation to PREACH 1 Corinthians 11:5;16 because of the angels in heaven) however, Outside of the building, yes a woman can teach others outside (family, neighbors etc.) Acts 2:16,17.

    Jesus allowed women to speak to him and listen. even sit at his feet and ask questions. he allowed woman to speak and listened to them. and to follow him as he preached. Luke 1:36-38; John 4:7-54; John 11:20-29; John 20:11-18; Acts 1:14; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 10:38-42; Romans 16:1-5; Acts 18:2; Acts 18:24-26;

    In marriage: Ephesians 5:21-33

    These are all the scriptures I can think of. Revelation 22:17 "Its free"
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Tribulation: Declaration vs Preaching the Gospel today.

    In today's dispensation (if you don't mind me using this time frame as a proponent of that terminology in the church age at present) we preach on the death; burial and resurrection of Christ. We therefore are "blessed" as Christ referred to Thomas of those who have believed and not seen ( John 20:29). There is a general call to the crowd and to those chosen (such as the more intimate discussions between Christ and His Disciples into the meanings of parables; for instance and other matters).

    In the Tribulation as noted in my last post by Revelation 6 there is no need to explain these things; only a declaration to the world of judgments already transpiring and to come; a sort of "signs and wonders" prophetic battle between the side of God's angels and the demons before Christ's final battle settles the score once and for all. I proposed that the Rapture is to wake up the Jewish nation; and specifically activation of the 144,000 for just such a purpose to fulfill the original commission to reach all the cities of Israel which cannot happen until that time ( Matthew 10:23). It is odd that until the time of Christ's initial stages to take back Jerusalem ( Zech. 12:12 but also apparently alluded to on a larger scale in Matthew 24:30) that the Jews will not come to full realization of who Christ is. They at least are deluded until the midpoint of the Tribulation as to the fact Antichrist is not their Messiah and since the world at large knows His identity at the sixth seal it may be that they don't realize they have a need for Him to be their personal Savior but they may start understanding His Lordship over the earth. Thus; I would look at the Tribulation temple to be one that isn't wrong as to the ceremonial aspects; since Antichrist himself desecrates it. Psalm 50:8 seems to show this; albeit many other verses show God's disdain at such things. Those who don't know God will worship the Beast and die.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Part 2

    Jesus told His 12 at the last supper, Matt. 26:29 Mark. 14:25, He would not drink of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new in my Father's kingdom, in the kingdom of God. This can only be either when Jesus sets the kingdom up for the 1000 years, or when all is made new, a new earth and a new heaven, but it would be on earth not in heaven.

    If we use fine linen, clean and white to identify the Church as the armies coming out of heaven we see in scripture many times the angels appear in white, white linen, and pure and white linen, Matt. 28:3 John 20:12 Acts 1:10 Rev. 16:6 and many more, and the bride in Rev. 19:8 the fine linen is the righteousness of saints, is this just the righteousness of the Church or all the saints?

    The earth is round and the gathering of the elect/saints will come from all over as a delegation meeting Jesus in the air as He is coming down to set up the kingdom as we see in Matt. 24:31. The armies in heaven are angels coming with Jesus the gathering will happen on the way down.

    I know I probably did not touch on all, there are so many parts. I hope this shows some of my understanding, but I still do not see where anyone is taken to heaven.

    Thanks for your reply, if we inspire each other in love to study it is good.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey Jesse,

    I agree brother, wherever Jesus will be paradise. Good question, where is paradise? What do we see in Luke 23:39-43? Many see this as when we die, we go directly to paradise, can I say no you're wrong, No, it may give some comfort to someone to think their loved one is already there. Are there other understandings? yes.

    In the original language, there was no punctuation and only upper-case letters so, the understanding may change by just a comma. "I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise". Or, I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise, or would it read differently without the capitalizing of the word today?

    Does the context of what was being said bring more light to this verse regardless of the comma? Two thieves were hanging next to Jesus, one railed at Jesus and the other rebuked the other thief and asked him if he did not fear God saying, they deserve their punishment, but Jesus did not do anything to deserve this, he asked Jesus to remember him when he comes into his kingdom.

    Would Jesus come into his kingdom on earth that day? Not yet. Did Jesus go to paradise that day? Jesus said in Matt. 12:40 He will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. And in John 20:17 this was after He resurrected, Jesus told Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended unto His Father. Does this verse say we go to heaven when we die? No.

    This is not to be dogmatic it is just another understanding of Luke 23:39-43. Where is Paradise I believe in the millennium the land of Israel will be almost like paradise, but I believe the New Earth will be where our paradise will be, and I do not think we can even imagine how beautiful it will be.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Part 3)

    Babu,

    I will finish this up here, I promise!

    In John 20:29, "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

    Jesus is saying I came down to your level. I met your demands, and gave you the proof that you need. But the blessing, which is the word MAKARIOS, the same word as is used on the sermon on mount which means to experience the fullness of something.



    Jesus is saying that I will be in you, but you will experience the fullness of my presence in your life when you believe without seeing. So He is telling him, you believe because you have seen. But from now on the blessing will be to those who have not seen and yet have believed.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Part 2)

    Babu,

    Do you see how the theme in this is to take Mary Magdalene, and the disciples, and now Thomas, and take them from the physical to the spiritual, from depending on touching and seeing and hearing, to believing by faith?



    He's bringing a change about in Thomas' life. He is called a sincere doubter. He says do not become faithless but be believing.



    Please notice that it doesn't say that Thomas actually went over and touched Him. Jesus is actually giving him the invitation. "Here you go Thomas."



    And you expect that if Thomas was really a doubter in the spiritual sense, that he probably would come over and touched Him and said I still don't believe it!



    But look at Thomas' response in John 20:28, his confession: And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    You can't get a better confession to the deity of Christ than Thomas's confession. You see, it didn't take much for Thomas. The Lord gave him the proof that he needed.



    He bends to our weaknesses to prove Himself, but it is for the purpose of bringing us from the physical realm into the spiritual, into the life of faith.



    And the Lord does that for us because that is the process of growth and change for every believer. And so in the Lord's care, He brings a change and Thomas says, My Lord and my God.

    Both the word Lord and God have the definite article in the Greek text. There is no doubt of what he's calling Jesus. "The" Lord, and "The" God!

    He is not just calling Him God, but he says, you are my Lord and my God. You see he has been changed. The Lord ministered to him. He is a sincere doubter!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Babu,

    (Part 1)

    I tend to believe so based on John 20:27. There is a tremendous message given to us in John 20:36-29 where we see the proof given to Thomas.

    Verse 26 tells us that after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and this is a Perfect Tense, it has been barred.



    I think it's kind of interesting that Jesus has already appeared to them eight days prior. They know that Jesus is risen from the dead. He has commissioned them, and they still sit there with the doors locked. It is like it hasn't really had its affect yet!

    So Thomas is there. Maybe they were just doing it for Thomas' sake? "Hey, will you guys just lock the doors please." No, you don't understand, we've seen the Lord, you don't have to worry about it! "Well, lock it anyway will you." But they barred the door and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

    In Verse 27, the word "then" the conjunction means then in succession. Right after He said peace be unto you, He turns directly to Thomas and He tells him in command, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and become not faithless, but believing.

    Notice how I translated that. It is not the word "be." It is the word "become." When you translate it "be," it sounds like that's what he is right now. The Lord knows his heart. The Lord knows he is sincere.

    Thomas is not going to believe just what anybody says. He wants proof, and the Lord gave him the proof. Do not become faithless but believing. That is a command. He's not saying he is. He says don't become that, but be believing.
  • Babu - 1 year ago
    Did resurrected Jesus have crucifixion scars on his body? [Ref: John 20:27]
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Skiman,

    They could be basing their claim on any one of the following pieces of scripture:

    John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 10:30-33, John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, Colossians 2:9, Philippians 2:5-8, Psalm 45:6.

    The Bible tells us that we are to worship God alone, and yet Jesus received worship and never rebuked anyone who worshipped Him. We see evidence of this in Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, John 9:35-38, Hebrews 1:6.

    Isaiah 44:6 reads, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me."

    In Rev 1:17, it says "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as a dead man." In Daniel 10:8-9, Daniel did the same thing. When he saw this vision of Christ, he fell down as he was dead. In Ezekiel 1:28, Ezekiel sees the vision and he falls down as a dead man. It goes on to say "Fear not; I am the first and the last: (the designation of God, found in Isaiah 41:4, and Isaiah 48:12).

    In Revelation 1:18, it says I am He that lives, and this is another designation of God found in Psalm 84:2, and Joshua 3:10.

    I am He that lives. God presents Himself to the Jews as the living God. He says I am He that lives, and was dead; literally, and became dead, and behold, I am living forevermore, His resurrection, His eternalness.

    And then it reads, Amen; and I have the keys of hell and of death. Keys are a symbol of authority. Those who were in charge of the temple had the keys to the temple. We are told later on that the Lord (Jesus) will be in control of hell and death.

    In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asks His disciples who do you say I am? Peter had the perfect answer. Peter said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

    Peter was Jewish. The phrase "Son of the living God" from a Hebrew standpoint is a phrase used for God. To a Jew, claiming to be the Son of God was considered blasphemy, but that was Peter's response to who Jesus was
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi S Spencer,

    I understand you are busy with work and your concerns about your brother, so not to rush, not on Daniel, but just a few things to consider about Matthew 24. My understanding of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 is twofold, for then, and our future.

    The reason is, history tells us the believers in Jesus got out and went to Pella across the Jordan river before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. And on the sabbath, today would not matter but then the gates would be locked, and it would be hard to leave.

    Matt. 24:3, in Mark, we see it was Peter, James, John, and Andrew that ask Jesus in private. Jesus had just told them the temple would be destroyed and Matthew records "what sign of thy coming and the end of the world." It is easy to jump to they were talking about Jesus' second coming, but.

    Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection were hidden from them until all was done. Luke 9:44-45 Luke 18:31-34 and after they did not believe He resurrected. Mark 20:9-11 Luke 24:6-8, John 20:9. Even right before He ascended, they were expecting Jesus to set up the kingdom then, Acts 1:6. So why in Matthew 24:3 would we interpret it as if they were asking Jesus about His second coming?

    I will send you by this weekend what I have studied on the six things determined in Daniel 9:24 if I can shorten it enough, I do not like to send long posts. If you don't want me to post it let me know.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • U4YAH - In Reply - 1 year ago
    It was on the first day if the week as it is written.

    John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

    This is day that we call "Sunday" today. In the old and ancient scriptures it is called The First day. Counting six days to arrive to the Seventh Day, the Sabbath Day, the Seventh Day, we call that day Saturday today.

    The question should be: which day was the Messiah crucified! Because many people have been deceived to believe that it was Friday. This is impossible according to the scriptures.

    Fact: Jahshua, the Messiah tells us that he will be in the belly of the Earth as Jonah was in the belly of a big fish for a sign unto a wicked generation desiring a sign. 3 Days and night was Jonah in the big fish (not a whale)

    So knowing that he rose from the dead on the First day, all we need to do is count backwards three days and we will arrive at Wednesday, which was the day before the high holy day of the feast and was a high Sabbath day of the feast of unleavened bread. No matter what day of the week it fell on would be a Sabbath day. That year the high holy Sabbath of the feast was on Thursday, so he had to die before the Sabbath of feast, before Thursday. So not Counting Wednesday the day of the crucifixion count forward three days and we are at the Seventh day, another Sabbath. Then Jahshua is resurrected as soon as the Seventh day is over on Sunday, the first day of the week.

    After knowing this,, someone tell me how he could be crucified on Friday and spend 3 days in the grave till Sunday, the first day.

    If he was crucified Friday and died at the end of that day at sunset, which is the beginning of the new day, Saturday; then where are the other two days the Messiah said that he would still be in the grave? By believing that he was crucified on Friday, one would believe that he was in the grave for only one day. Remember! 3 Days & NIGHTS in the grave.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Dc730banks,

    If I may add to Chris' reply, the first day of the week (Sunday) is the day Jesus was resurrected. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets, and the feasts were a part of the Mosaic Law. The Jewish festival that was the same day Jesus was resurrected that many overlooks with traditions is the Feast of First Fruits, Leviticus 23:9-14.

    We see in John; Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, and it was still dark, and she was the first to see Jesus. He would not let her touch Him, the reason was, He had not ascended to His Father, John 20:17. Jesus ascended at the same time the priest was waving the sheaf, (lifting up). After He returned, they could then touch Him, Matthew 28:8-10.

    As the sheaf of the first harvest had to be sacrificed and accepted by God before they could eat of the harvest and look forward to the next harvest as that day was the first day of counting the days of the weeks until seven sabbaths to the second harvest, the Feast of Weeks, Pentecost. Jesus ascended and was accepted as the First Fruits of the dead and returned, then they could touch Him.

    We see the second harvest Pentecost, also was the same day of year the fire of God came down upon the mount with Moses, and the day the Holy Spirit that Jesus said He would ask the Father to send, came down on the room where they were gathered as cloven tongues as of fire.

    Just a little of the end of the week that started when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the day the lambs were taken up, the day that is called Palm Sunday.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks for sharing. I checked another site for NIV and ESV for this verse and the footnotes says "Some manuscripts add all or some of verse 37". So, it appears its due to some manuscripts showing an incomplete or missing verse. Some translations have this in brackets.

    My opinion is this is not a grand conspiracy to undermine God's word, as the NIV and ESV already says that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in plenty of other verses already. For example John 20:31 NIV

    "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." or ESV is very similar, so is NAS, NASB, and others. I think there are many verses proclaiming this throughout.

    It seems unlikely that translators had a nefarious motive in my opinion. We should not be quick to judge others' motives as being evil in intention. It's concerning when a verse doesn't match up to other translations. But I think if we're transported to the room where the evidence was in front of them this kind of process would be more understandable. I think these were prayerfully done by believers and I don't see this as being a salvation issue where someone could accidentally follow satan by this verse being ommitted. I think in some cases of the modern translation differences 2 verses were interpreted as one verse and vice versa, since the originals didn't have verse numbers, for example.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jesus was the fulfillment of Scripture in the Old Testament. Luke 24:19-27, Psalms 22, Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, & many more.

    The Holy Scriptures are broken down in Books & Separated by New Testament & Old Testament, none of which have been accredited as authored by Jesus. However many believe all were written about Jesus (redemption ) The Old Testament is before Jesus was born. The New Testament begins with Jesus birth, death on cross, resurrection from the grave, the witnessed accounts of Jesus life, ministry, miracles. Then continues the Good News os Salvation & ministry of the Church. Christians & Messianic Jews believe in the New Testament as Christ The Messiah the promised everlasting savior. Psalms 93:2, 1Kings 9:5, Zechariah 6:12-13, Psalms 89:3,4, 1Chronicles 17:11-27, Hebrews 8,

    Matthew 8:4, Jesus obeyed scripture, Mark 1:44, & Jesus parents on Earth obeyed scripture, Luke 2:22,

    Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit = Luke 11, John 20:21-22, Luke 12, Acts 1:5, John 14:16,26, John 15:26,

    2Timothy 3:16

    Hope these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply on Matthew 1 - 1 year ago
    To add to discussion, if you type a word like "Father" in search on this site, then (Modify) search, tap (Jesus words)

    Then tap on each individual scripture: the translated words are broken down by words & English phrases, John 20:17, scroll down, bottom of page, you can hover over words for easy translation or click on each block for deeper translation study, this will take you to the Concordance comparisons & there you can find much more information.

    These translations are from Greek,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • Browneyes878787 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    EthanDuff

    first thing we must investigate is the church's doctrine or fundamental beliefs. It' easily by going on their home page online also most churches have their service online so you Actually hear the preaching

    Does the church believe the Bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God? Do the leaders trust that Scripture

    Does the church believe Jesus is not simply the Son of God but actually God Himself ( John 1:1-2, 14)? The deity of Christ is absolutely a fundamental belief of any biblical church. Had Jesus been an ordinary man, He would have been a sinner like the rest of humanity. The penalty for our wrongdoing needed to be paid by someone who'd never sinned. If Christ disobeyed God, then you and I are left to face the full wrath of the Father ( Heb. 9:27).

    Does the church believe Jesus was born of a virgin? If we have faith in God's Word, then we must trust that it speaks the truth regarding Jesus' miraculous birth, as recorded in the Gospels ( Matt. 1:23-25).

    Does the church believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ? When Jesus left the tomb, He left it physically. He was not simply a spirit floating around; He was a person-alive and in the flesh ( John 20:24-29).

    Does the church believe Jesus is going to return? Scripture is clear that Christ will come back to the earth. He will call His followers home and bring judgment on the ungodly ( 1 Thess. 4:13-18).

    Does the church believe there will be a future judgment? When Christ returns, He will return as a righteous Judge. At that time, He will separate His people from those who do not know Him Does the church believe there is a literal heaven and hell? This goes along with the truth of the coming judgment. After all, if the "sheep" and "goats" are separated ( Matt. 25:31-46), then each group must have a place to go.

    Does the church believe Jesus went to the cross and died a sacrificial atoning death? This is the most important point of all
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Predestination part 4.

    As I likely posted earlier there are certain limits to understanding God's counsel as stated in Deut. 29:29. There is a point such as with Pharaoh where God Himself hardens a man's heart once he has irrevocably hardened his own heart; that is something in His foreknowledge that God determines for every man who is unsaved. We as believers have been "grafted in" ( Romans 11:11-25). The scripture makes it clear that man has no excuse as we see evidence in the Creation and of the Godhead ( Psalm 19; Romans 1). We are "fearfully and wonderfully made" ( Psalm 139:14) and therefore human life is sacred. Or; as the Declaration of Independence states "we hold these truths to be self-evident".

    God is a God of Covenants and as He states "all the souls are mine" ( Ezekiel 18:4). This whole chapter I have found as an excellent rebuttal and witness to the Jewish community who occasionally insists on doing a "Mizpah" when they find out one side of my family is Jewish. It states in the same passage that the "soul who sins will die" thus removing any parental privilege in being of any physical descent as well as making all individuals responsible for their behaviors. We need to see here that someone can turn from wickedness to righteousness; and the opposite is true. Ultimately; I would say that Ephesians 4:30 makes it clear that we don't lose our salvation IF truly saved. There are many tares mixed in with the wheat however. Again; that is part of God's plan; as well as using Satan to refine us through temptations and persecutions. Since God created everyone then we are all to be eternal beings in our spirit.

    Also as Jesus pointed out to Thomas "blessed are those who haven't seen and yet believed" ( John 20:29). Just look at the Tribulation where; by the way Revelation 13:8 shows Predestination for all those NOT in the Book of Life. Just as in the time Christ was here the first time seeing ISN'T necessarily belief TO SALVATION. REV6:17
  • Giannis - 2 years ago
    John 20:27-28

    "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD."
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello there,

    You said you "want to believe" but then declared "no!" then ask for help?

    Jesus encountered a man (family, members) facing a similar dilemma. Mark 9:24, the account in context seemingly starts in : Mark 9:14-29.

    The question that I ask you, is what are you having trouble believing?

    It's ok to ask GOD to help you overcome disbelief. I had struggled years ago with Jonah 2, because cartoon animation had influenced my thinking. I could only imagine an unbelievable Disney Character inside a whale. Someone said to me something like 'you have to believe all the Bible or none' I prayed GOD would help me. Then one day I heard a report of a man being discovered inside the belly of a fish, fully intact, on a documentary channel. I then heard more than one account.

    GOD is amazing at how HE can help us overcome anything. John 8:32, James 1:5,

    If you're wondering about Jesus, raising from the grave read John 16:31-33, John 16 whole chapter = this was a written account of a witness, that: Jesus knew all these things were going to happen to him, even the very witness writing this would abandon him._._ beforehand. Matthew 26:32, Mark 14:28, Luke 24:34,

    Also Luke 1:1-3, these people were unafraid to die for this truth: Acts 7:59,

    John 20:29, Mark 16,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Peggy. You could look up the following Scriptures on Jesus Christ's Deity (i.e. God's fullness found in Jesus ( Colossians 2:9) & in His Holy Spirit). Jesus' Deity is proved by:

    a. His Names: Hebrews 1:8, John 20:28 (God); Matthew 16:16, Matthew 26:61-65 (the Son of God); Matthew 22:41-46 (Lord); Revelation 19:13 (Word of God); Revelation 19:16 (King of kings and Lord of lords).

    b. His Characteristics: Matthew 28:18 (Omnipotence: all powerful); Luke 6:8, John 2:24,25, John 13:11 (Omniscience: all knowing); Matthew 18:20 (Omnipresence: present in any place); John 1:4 (Life); John 14:6 (Truth); Hebrews 13:8 (Immutability: unchanging); 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1-14 (God manifest in the flesh in Jesus).

    c. His Works: John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 (creates); Colossians 1:17 (sustains); Luke 7:48,49 (forgives sin); John 11:41-44 (raises the dead); John 5:27 (judges); John 15:26 (sends the Holy Spirit).

    d. His receiving Worship: Hebrews 1:6 (from angels); Revelation 5:11-13 (from other heavenly beings); Matthew 14:33 (from men); Philippians 2:10 (from all).

    e. His equality within the Triune God: John 14:23, John 10:30-33 (with the Father); Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14 (with the Father and the Spirit).

    I hope you can see from these few Scriptures that Jesus was not just a special Man or Prophet sent by God, but truly was "God manifested in the flesh". No other man before Jesus' coming, during, or after His leaving this Earth, could ever fully reflect God's Glory, Wisdom & Power. Only God could - and He did this by sending us His Word, made Him a Man, so that He could give His Life as full payment for our sins - but only to those who believe this & place their trust in Him. To some, the 'Trinity' teaching is abominable. But man's salvation depends on the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ - that God could accept no other Sacrifice to redeem & secure people to Himself - only by giving fully of Himself, which is true love for all.
  • Adam - 2 years ago
    "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4 KJV

    "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:28 KJV

    "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" Mark 12:29 KJV

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

    "And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments." Revelation 16:7 KJV

    Romans 10:9 , Luke 2:11, Philippians 2:11, 2 Corinthians 4:5

    Amen.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Daddy,

    The keys, the Greek word Kleis, are not actual keys in a physical form, it is the power and authority to open and shut. The first of the verse "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold I am alive for evermore". Jesus conquered death because He was sinless, Acts 2:24, and the devil/Satan who had the power of death, that is, the devil (Satan), Heb. 2:14-15 1 John 3:8.

    Romans 8:10-11 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    My understanding is Jesus was in the tomb/hell for the three days and He did not ascend to the Father until He rose from the tomb. John 20:17, Jesus ascended to the Father and presented himself and was accepted by God the First Fruits of them that slept. He returned and met the women on the road going to tell the apostles and they could then touch Him, Matt.28:9.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Alex N - 2 years ago
    Hi Dr. Lyle Lee....Let me bring your attention to the Woman at the well a Samaritan a Gentile.. John 4:1 Jesus tells her of the gift of God which is the H.G. That CHILD OF Promise..There is only 1 Promise.. Luke 24:49 kjv Behold i send the Promise of my father upon you which was baptism of the H.G. the Promise and that was the only Gospel he Preached..Being bornnagain of an incorruptible seed etc.. Acts 2:39...The Promise is unto you and your children....which was the gift of the H.G....A living being had to be born in them which was the H.G. Their new heart and new spirit was the H.G. That New Creature neither circumcision nor uncircumcision ( not Jew or Gentile )...but a new Creature...Which was the H.G..When he breathe on them they received the H.G... John 20:22...The gift of God and there is only 1 gift which is the H.G....Dr. Lee don't ya see that 2 gospels wd make him a double minded man which is an abomination to God...And a hypocrite...2 Gospels wd make him a hypocrite...Double minded man... James 4:8 a double minded man is unstable in all his ways...We know our Lord was not double minded preaching 2 gospels...Gbu Lyle, but ya need to rethink this...I always agree with you..But not on this one...

    .....When he said my words are spirit and life that implies living words...The 1 and only Gospel is a living being the H.G....That Child of Promise..The only Gift of God ..Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in...That Child is the H.G. as that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit...Our new innerman has to be born in us Which is the Child of Promise... Romans 14:17 for the Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G....This implies that the H.G. IS THE Kingdom...And there is only 1 kingdom and 1 bridegroom
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 19 - 2 years ago
    The first few verses describe as chapter 18 did the destruction of the city of Babylon "the great whore" (v. 2). Verse 7 talks about the marriage of the Lamb; with the wedding supper in verse 9. The scene in front of the throne here as well as the timing seem almost identical to what we see in Revelation 5. We need to keep in mind that not everyone will be present wearing the garments of white until the last saint appears in heaven; so this likely shows the Resurrection of all the Tribulation saints along with the church who were raised 7 years before. This brings in mind the parable of the Ten Virgins and associated verses as to the reference both to the Second Coming and Rapture. We need to remember that Israel itself isn't as a nation going to repent until the final destruction on Israel where half of the city is taken in Zechariah 14:2. Just because the Tribulation saints aren't in the dispensation of the church where the Spirit works within the Body as at present; that doesn't exclude the rest of the believers from being members of a corporate Body who all need white garments of righteousness. (Verse 8). All true saints; therefore must bring forth fruit. God may deem martyrdom necessary to procure that; particularly in the days when Christ will be known to all and seen by the world (once again; indicated by the scene in Rev. 6:16-17. John 20:26-29 shows those who have NOT seen are blessed; and the Rapture certainly would be a reward in that sense.

    Verse 10 also brings up a theme repeated in Revelation 22:9 where he tries to worship someone other than God (in the other case an angel). This should cause us to take pause to realize that the glorified bodies of the saints will be quite overwhelming.

    The rest of the chapter; of course relates to the Second Coming of Christ and the immediate victory He has over the armies of the earth. More on that in the next post.
  • Alex N - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Giannis....Let me try to help you in Jesus Name..The name of the Kingdom is CHILD BIRTH....Uness ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....And that Child of PROMISE is the H.G....Thus there is only 1 baptism of PROMISE...Only 1 is needed ...Thats y he has to KNOW US thats when his good seed is sown in our hearts....Resulting in a spritual birth...Remember she brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations....Which is that spirit of truth Jesus spoke of that cannot speak, simply b/c he is an spritual infant...A new Born .The spirit ( the H.G. ) has to be born in us via his Seed ...his Words etc....Thats y he said that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT which is the H.G the Children of Promise....There has to be an Israel of God...Born in us and they are spirits...Thats y the sun nor any heat or the moon can lite on them simply b/c they are spirits...Read Isaiah 49 kjv.

    .....But back in John 20:22 And John 16 :21..He had already breathe on them, as his breath was his WORDS which are his SEEDS and Faith set in which is a spritual pregnancy..They had the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen..The Child the H.G. That Child of PROMISE....That resulted from his seeds his words....But the H.G. Child had not been born just yet till that mighty rushing Wind came..They had to go thru a gestation period b/4 the Child came and with Power....But Jesus said John baptised you with water but I will baptise you with the H.G. and fire...As our God is a consuming fire...When Jesus started his ministry he was preaching I come to bring FIRE on the earth...Thats his baptism of the H.G. That we so need..The 1 and only baptism of PROMISE..Which was the multiplication of God from Gods own Promise when he swore by himself.

    .....Jesus in Acts 1:4 Wait for the Promise of my Father that you have HEARD OF ME ( SEED)...John baptised you with water but you will be baptised with the H.G. NOT MANY DAYS HENCE ...Baby
  • Anna - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Psalm 62:5: My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.

    John 20:28-29: And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    Jesus saith unto him, because thou hast seen me, thou hast

    believed : blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have

    believed.

    Psalm 120: 1: In my distress, I cried unto the LORD, and he heard me

    Psalm 124: 8: Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Hey Giannis,

    Many people call the Passover an eight-day feast, even in Jesus' day. Some say Feast of Unleavened Bread and some feast of Passover. Passover is on the 14th and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th -21st. In Matthew 26:17 it starts; Now the first day of the Feast of Unleavened BreadIn Mark 14:12 and in Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread when the Passover must be killed In John 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover this was after the Last Supper. The Last Supper was on Passover Day.

    Passover Day is a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of the Unleavened Bread Feast is the Sabbath, Exodus 12:16. On the 14th all leaven had to be purged from the houses and Jerusalem. This is the preparation day that is in scripture not Friday the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.

    John 18:28 confirms the Passover lambs had not yet been sacrificed or eaten because they did not want to be defiled, they passed the blood of the lambs to the altar. This would be done after the sun started going down, any time after noon. This was going on at the same time Jesus was hanging on the cross. The Passover lamb was eaten on the night of the 15th the night they went out of Egypt, Exodus 12:29-32. Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover meal was eaten.

    If Jesus was crucified on Friday, we do not have three days and three nights and there are not that many days covered in Matt, Mark, Luke, and John. If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, Thursday would be the Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the women could have gone to the tomb on Friday because it would be a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, So Thursday would be the only day of the week that fits scripture.

    That gives Thur. day, Fri. night and day, Sat. night and day Sun. night Jesus rose before sunrise, John 20:1 it was still dark.

    I hope this is enough to make sense.

    God bless,

    RLW


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