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I have heard that a small ledge was also nailed to the cross beneath the feet of the one being crucified to prevent the nails in the hands & feet from tearing through the flesh from the body's weight; but this fact I have not been able to verify conclusively.
Perhaps James 5:16 - ...confess your sins to one another...
Or 1 Peter 3:15 - ... and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you...
Or perhaps John 20:23 -...whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them...
It could be Romans 1:16 - ...I am not ashamed of the gospel...
Love in Christ
To do so, then a lot of other Scriptures would have to be negated, when Jesus says: John 16:16.17 "I go to the Father"; John 20:17 "I ascend to my Father...and to My God"; Hebrews 8:1, 10:12, Mark 16:19, Romans 8:34, 1 Peter 3:22 "at the right Hand of God" & many more.
I earnestly hope that I have misunderstood your comments as the abundance of Scripture is given for us to know that there is still a God in Heaven & His Word made flesh has now ascended victorious & glorious, seated at His Father's right Hand, receiving the worship as One inclusive in the eternal Godhead.
You said: "The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us." With the Scriptures before us, and they don't lie, the "mystery of the Trinity" in part, is that the Eternal God has in His Love, chosen to give of Himself as the only Sacrifice that would satisfy His demands of justice & redemption. An unblemished animal was a temporal covering for sin which could never remove the guilt & consequences of sin. God had to provide His Own Lamb, which He did ( Isaiah 53:7, John 1:29), which no animal or man could fulfil. God the Father did not leave Heaven to accomplish this task but He sent forth His Word clothed in flesh to do so ( John 1:1-14) & called this Word, His beloved Son. God also sent forth His Spirit to empower His Son for service & power to all who repent & call upon Him that they too may be one as They are One ( John 17:21-26).
God cannot be divided into three parts, else we might conclude, three gods. He has revealed Himself in His Fullness, in tri-unity, without which He could not be the God He reveals to us & what He accomplishes for us. Blessings.
John says it like this in John in John 1:1, "... and he was God." And Thomas said to Jesus in John 20:28: "My Lord and my God."
Then Jesus said to Thomas, "You are blessed because you have seen me, but more blessed are those who haven't seen me but believe anyway."
As you can see then, Jesus is our God, the one who came and died for the sins of the world, even if the Christian Church wont say so. And this is a sad commentary on the human race. This means that, even today, we we are ignoring the clear warning David gives us in Psalm 14: "Only the fool says in his heard that (Jesus) is not God." And David is a man after Jesus' own heart."
See, David is preaching the Gospel ahead of time, long before it took place, that the Lord he knew as YHWH God in the Old Testament is the New Testament Jesus. This is why David says in verse 7: "Oh that salvation would come from Mount Zion and rescue Israel. For when the Lord rescues his people they will shout for joy." And salvation did come from Mount Zion, for this is the place where Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins.
So this is my proclamation: Jesus is the One True God, all others are false.
See, God is a single being/a single person like us. He has to be if we are made in his image. The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us.
In other words he speaks to us like this: "I am Jesus," "The Father sent me," "Receive ye the Holy Spirit."
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Rev. Autrey
Ok so now Thomas the unbeliever is an expert all of a sudden and the Godhead has a verse proving it s self as Doctrine.
Oh but wait a minute read the rest of the chapter.
It's because Thomas has seen the Lord risen he now believes that Jesus is risen . Not that Jesus is God . But yes it's Gods power no doubt about it .
Read verse 31 : death to the God head doctrine, again .
It's always good to keep things in context .
But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name .
Case closed again !
No GOD the Son even though Thomas acknowledged that God is in Jesus , that's true , but not the same as GOD THE SON that's heresy .
Thomas should have been chastised severely for referring to Jesus as his Lord and his God. But He wasn't, rather Jesus accepted his declaration. We should go above & beyond the doubts that Thomas had over the Lord's deity & accept Jesus for Who He is: the Word of the Father made flesh to become the Son of the Father.
But for those who have come out of Judaism & turned to Christ, how it must bring joy to the Lord's Heart to see their response. And also for each one of us 'gentiles' "who having not seen yet have believed" ( John 20:29).
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.
Matthew 12:8
For the Son of man is LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luke 6:5
And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Clearly The Lord is saying that HE IS the Lord of the Sabbath. If you will scour the NEW TESTAMENT on the Sabbath, you will quickly see that Jesus not only healed people on the Sabbath; He preached to thousands on the Sabbath.
The Pharisees, Sadducees and scribes all banded together to destroy Jesus for it, too.
What kind of people call themselves Christian followers of Jesus and lead others to believe we Get To Debate which day of the week is the Sabbath?
How very hastily we walk the wide road into Apostacy. Or, loss of reward at The Bema Seat Judgement of Christ: where there will be rewards or loss of rewards?
Jesus says clearly that He alone is the Lord of the Sabbath. We follow Jesus; not what the world, or other religions teach.
Didn't Jesus pay enough for us to believe what he said and did?
Why don't we dig into the scriptures of what Apostacy is? I've never seen that one debated in here. It's about knowing the right things to do or just walking away from it altogether.
Don't email because this subject is closed, for me, for now.
Most people on this website claim to be so-called Christians, but in truth are they followers of Jesus Christ or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9)?. Most of them also claim to be so-called 'Born Again', which means 'Born of God', but are they, or is it a form of self-transformation ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15), while in truth they are wearing the wrong garment ( Psalm 6:8; Matthew 7:20-23; 9:16; 22:2-14; Mark 2:21; Luke 5:36)?
For answers to the above questions we invite you to peruse the earlier Comment below.
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 20: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
ACTS 4: 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Philippians 2: 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
You'd want to know what that tv can do?
Same thing. The Bible is the Owners Manual (Jesus). These following scriptures are enough to show that you need to come to know what you have.
Desire the pure milk of the Word. Strong meat belongs to them that are exercised in their faith.
Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
John 12:26
If any man serve me, let him FOLLOW me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Mark 12:24
And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because YE KNOW NOT the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Luke 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they MIGHT UNDERSTAND the scriptures,
Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, NOT UNDERSTANDING the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Luke 4:21
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
John 20:9
For as yet THEY KNEW NOT the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Comment: strong meat makes your hair stand on end, your eyes wide and mouth drop, saying: WOW!!
Mishael
"Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."
1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
Genesis 1:31
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
Psalms 119:107
"I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word."
Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
2 Timothy 4:1
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;"
John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
John 20:29
"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
1Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
John 10:36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Luke 3:38
"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."
Right on! Just as Johah said; "Three days AND three nights" Jonah 1:17.
Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.
Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)
Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.
Look at Matthew 12:40.
Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.
The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.
The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.
Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.
The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.
Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.
The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.
The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.
Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.
Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)
Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.
Look at Matthew 12:40.
Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.
The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.
The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.
Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.
The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.
Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.
The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.
The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.
The Hebrew calendar used at the time of Jesus counted a full day from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.
The Hebrew 24 hour period of time is broken up into two 12 hour segments. The first segment is from 6 pm until 6 am. The second segment is from 6 am until 6 pm.
The "third hour" of the day in Mark 15:25 when Christ was crucified is 9 am
The "ninth hour" when He gave up the ghost is 3 pm.
James 1: 14, 15 tells us where sin begins; 1 John 3:4 tells us what sin is, it is the transgression (breaking( of the law.
2. I would like to point out in the old sacrificial system, that on the day of atonement there were 3 things at a minimum that had to be present in order to complete the atonement on the great day of atonement; a sacrifice ;the sanctuary; the High Priest.
I would like to point out that in Rom. 5:11 ...God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." does not say the Atonement was full or complete.
Many times it is the case that words have more than 1 meaning and it is the case here as well. While it is possible that it could mean Atonement in the fullest sense of the word which would mean full and complete; it also could mean sacrifice; as in the sacrifice was full; the sacrifice of Jesus was perfect, there was no need of another sacrifice ever because His was all sufficient. Was there an example in the past where someone received atonement; yet it was not the Day of Atonement yet? Many in Leviticus; here is one: Lev. 5:10 The word atonement was used for purification also Exodus 29:37.
But in regard to forgiveness and how Jesus blood was applied to our account to forgive our sin; only 1 of the 3 things neccesary were present because there was no True High Priest on earth; the earthly system had been done away with when Jesus died on the cross; Jesus was not a High Priest when on earth Heb. 8: 4.
The sanctuary on Earth was but a copy of the real one in Heaven Heb. 9:1; Ex.15:17.
Why did Jesus go to heaven immediately upon resurection? John 20: 17 Tells us the he went, but why?
To apply his literal blood to the real temple in Heaven, just as Moses sanctified the Sanctuary in the OT; Lev. 4 :6; 8: 24 Read all of Lev. 8 and see how the service of the Sanctuary was purified for service as well as the priests.
When Jesus went to H
And God RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY.
And God BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY and SANCTIFIED the SEVENTH DAY.
Many have changed the day of rest from the SEVENTH DAY to the first day.
There are TWO Biblical reasons people believe this.
1) The first day of the week is the day that Matthew 28:1, Mark and Luke 23:55, 24:2 relate that the sepulchre was opened and Jesus was not found there.
2) During the 40 days that Jesus was on earth before He rose into heaven He appeared to His disciples seven times. Five of the seven times Jesus met with them on the FIRST DAY of the week. The other two times, the day is not mentioned. Look at Mark 16:9-13, Mark 16:14-18, Luke 24:13-33, Luke 24:34, Luke 24:36-44, John 20:11-23, John 20:26-29.
None of the examples given above concerning the FIRST DAY of the week allow any authority for us to change the SEVENTH DAY to the FIRST DAY.
Jesus NEVER GAVE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS.
( Mark 2:27-28) "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."
If we believe in the Father and His only begotten Son, then we have Christ in us every day, not just one day per week.
This new understanding is an enhancement of the 7th day, not the abolishing of it. It was made to last FOREVER. This is a day that God BLESSED and SANCTIFIED!
Christ ALWAYS honored the Sabbath.
The Apostles kept the Sabbath AFTER CHRIST DIED; look at Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44, Acts 16:13, etc.
Pentecost is a holy SABBATH day; i.e. a day of rest.
In Acts 17:2 and Acts 18:4, Paul is continually feeding the people Scripture on the SABBATH. Christ never abolished the Sabbath; neither did Paul. God never said anything concerning that fact, and if He wanted that day changed He would have made it abundantly clear.
Further study concerning the importance of the Seventh Day can be found throughout ALL Scripture; as well as in the Book of Enoch.
John 3. Psalm 51
If you will go back to the opening of this website there is a section to learn the steps to salvation. You'll see a prayer you can pray. It's very complete and you'll be born again; and you'll go to heaven when you die. The good news is that your child's soul went to heaven; and is waiting for you.
You can start by reading these few scriptures: And then to the salvation page.
Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Those questions lead me to qualify my response. God, I suppose, created mankind 'perfectly suited' for His Purpose. The Fall had to be a consequence of exposure to the elements of creation, for Christ's entrance into the world to be made possible, who according to Titus 1:2 was programmed before creation. I guess my starting point in this discussion is not Genesis, to the exclusion of everything else, but Titus, 2 Timothy 1:9, Acts 3:8, 17:3, John 20:9, Lk 24:26, 44, Rom 8:3, Heb 7:18, 10:5. From there, I look back at Genesis. but maybe you are right. Maybe God did create everything perfect.
Heb 10:1, For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Heb 7:11, Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood...
The implication is that man was not perfect, even at the moment of creation. The first indication is that he was not Mature in his understanding. We conclude from the fact that s/he could not distinguish between good and evil, they were created in innocence. If Maturity is a sign of Perfection, they weren't. They were not, as you stated, flawed, but were they fully equipped for the task? I might be getting myself in hot water here. Example, a young persons at 30 might be in perfect health because he doesn't have any ailment or issues. But his system and capacity deteriorate. And while healthy, that might not qualify them go excel in Mountain Climbing. Adam had a mountain to climb he might not have been equipped for. The devil was crafty, astute, street wise. Adam and Eve were gullible. But that was no excuse for disobedience. In law, there is a lot of discussion about intent. Were Adam and Eve making a conscious, deliberate and calculated decision to abandon God? Or is there more to the story, we don't know? Probably. Were they better equipped than I think? Perhaps.
I am one of those that believes Jesus was crucified on a Friday and rose Sunday. My reasoning for this comes from the account given in John Chapter 19, and then the first verse in John Chapter 20. We know from Chapter 19 that He died on a Friday sometime between 3pm and 6pm.
John 19:31 gives us a clue as to the day Jesus was crucified. It had to be on a Friday because they had to be dead before the Sabbath day which would begin at 6pm on Friday and go to 6pm on Saturday. We see in Chapter 19 that they came to break the legs of all three because they were still alive. But when they came to Jesus to break His legs, He was already dead.
It was against Jewish tradition for anyone to be hanging on a cross on the Sabbath (Saturday). The book of Deuteronomy gives us a list of codes. One of them is that cursed is everybody that hangs on a tree, especially on the Sabbath Day.
John 20:1 begins by saying the first day of the week, but it literally says "the first of the Sabbath's," plural! In the scriptures, the Sabbath Day is singular, and the weekdays are plural. So you have the Sabbath Day, and then you have the Sabbath Days, which are used to denote the weekdays.
This is the first day of the week. This is Sunday. The scripture tells us that this Sunday is the first Sunday after Passover, which means the Sabbath of Saturday, the normal Sabbath, has passed. And now we are into Sunday. To understand the Friday to Sunday time frame, you have to count Friday as being day 1, Saturday, day 2, and then Sunday would be the 3rd day, the day Jesus rose.
Hope this helps!
Returning to our world on the 1st day of the week, after sundown Saturday, the beginning of the 1st day of the week we call Sunday. After being chosen 4 days earlier (Palm Sunday or Sat. the 10th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan scripturally, this year, God's Lunar based calendar overlay these days/dates this year exactly!)
Kol Tuv i.e. be well
Shalom
* John 20:30-31*