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Sister Sacha, I have heard you say, through you written comments, God reveals new truths to you every day.

If this not happening to ALL OF US, then we are not getting enough food and water (that's a parable).

We ought to have this happening, up until the day we depart this world.

Sister Sacha, thank you and God blessings on you.

We as, the called out, don't at this point see everything alike, because we are at different stages of maturity. There is a day COMING when we will all be in PERFECT UNITY.

Thank you so much Earl . You and I don't agree on everything but we have more in common than not if you know what I mean . I despise it when I hear so called preachers in my local town centre , aaaaall they do is insult people and preach that God is going to send them all to hell , even people who have never had the opportunity to hear the Gospel are going to hell to be tortured for eternity by some pointy tailed cloven hoofed monstrosity of their own vicious imagination . It drives me crazy , no one ever stops to listen to them or talk to them except me . They've got my number now though , when I walk towards them to ask them to show me where they are getting their info from they try to run away from me , it's easy for them to do that as I need crutches to walk outside . The first few times I managed to engage them and one of them looked embarrassed because he couldn't back up anything he was saying from scripture , the second was gobsmaked by this middle aged woman who could run rings around him and the third actually put his hand on my face to push me away and called me a devil . Preachers of lies and hate and fear . We only need to fear One and that is God , the Holy One of Israel . Christ is coming , you had better know what you believe in and it had better be the Bible , Old as well as New .

Brother Ronald:

This is just an observation of the people around the town I live in, and not an indictment of them are anyone on this forum.

Most people don't read God's word, much less study it.

Most have no knowledge of the Kingdom of God, as taught by scripture. They have been taught, believe in Jesus and go to heaven, or if you don't believe, then you go to hell, it's all up yo you.

They are taught out of the New Testament, with most, seldom ever studying, in depth, the Law and Prophets.

When Jesus came preaching the Kingdom of God is at hand, there was no written New Testament, he taught out of the Law and Prophets.

Jesus speaking one of his parables said:

Luke 16:31 .....If they hear not Mosses (law) and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed Paul a day, there came many unto him into his lodging; to whom, Paul expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses and out of the prophets, from morning to evening.

Before the Old Testament was translated into other languages, there is no mention of HELL. One would assume that if there were such a place of torture for sin, the prophets would have never cease warning people. Yet not one word concerning a place called Hell. Likewise not one mention of a place of eternal bliss, called heaven.

The Kingdom of God is ON EARTH (CHRIST IN YOU), Christ has been calling man into his Kingdom for two thousand years. Those that are NOT CAUSED to hear his call in this AGE, will be resurrected back to their flesh, and Christ and those that WERE CAUSED to hear his call, will judge the earth, and bring the remaining sheep into the fold. This is very evident in the Law and Prophets.

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, man uses this parable to teach the doctrine of heaven and hell, Yet JESUS SAID, if they want believe the Law and Prophets, which DOES NOT teach heaven and hell.

Hi, I just read today that John, the apostle, was put in a pot of boiling oil but did not get burned. He was then exiled to the Isle of Patmos, where He received the Revelations of Jesus from Jesus and then wrote the book. I did not read about is death. Maybe I need to look further for its account.

Hey brother Earl,

Thanks for your reply, I will meditate on what you shared, and I mean that. I agree, that compassion for those who do not have a clue where their going is bitter, and by sharing the word we can receive some bitter remarks. I cannot place us as John as prophesying to others after the resurrection. I feel we have different understandings of after resurrection but that is ok.

God bless,

RLW

Amen and Amen, Brother Ronald, I would like to tell you what has been revealed to me in studying God's word.

Revelation is signified, so most nouns represent something other than what a dictionary would define them.

I believe, the BOOK, is Christ, The WORD, the BOOK, of life, of truth, of wisdom, etc., etc., all things.

Christ told us that we had to eat his flesh and drink his blood, he is our food and water.

I believe the same applies to the open book (Christ), we eat the book, as we eat his flesh.

It's sweet in our mouth because it has brought TRUTH TO US, it is bitter in our belly because we see our brothers (the world) that has NOT YET been GIVEN this Knowledge.

But we will again prophecy to our brothers after they are resurrected back to their flesh here on earth, the SECOND time.

Isaiah 11:9 .....for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

God Bless You!

Hi Eric,

This one will be a hard nut and it may be empty when you crack it, as in John 21:20-23, Peter was showing he was jealous of John and what Jesus said, maybe Jesus was telling Peter it is not your concern, just follow me and feed His sheep. There was a rumor started that John would not die but Jesus did not say that. Other verses may spur interest relating to John's possible living longer, in Revelation 10:8-11.

The little book that was open that John was told to eat. If the book was open, does that mean it did not contain a mystery or a secret? Did it contain what the seven thunders had uttered, that John was told to seal up and not to write? John was told thou must prophesy again; will that be in the future? Is it written in the rest of Revelation that John had not written down yet?

The Bible does not record the death of John, but there are theories out there you may research those, there is one they boiled him in a pot of oil. I would like to give you more scripture for you to study but this may not have an answer and only come to speculation.

God bless and let the Spirit of truth guide you.

RLW

The end makes it seem that John is among us. He will live this whole time to present day until Jesus coming. I know further readings will show John in an island in the book of Revelations. Does he die then? I'll have to find out.

Powerful wisdom at the end from Jesus to Thomas, "They are those that do not see, yet believe!"

Hi Rene Bourrier , John 21:25 says I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. So there simply isn't enough space, nor do we have enough time for Yahweh to have written everything down. There is no way we would have read everything nor have gotten the message. As it is, people still find The Bible too long to read, so why would Yah have made it longer? Instead he focused mostly on his people or the message that was at the core of the scriptures. We will know things that really doesn't matter like Cain's wife when we get into the kingdom. God bless you.

If you're asking asking a question please re-word it. It appears you're denying the risen Christ? Matthew 26:32, Mark 14:28,

Luke 24:6, Luke 24:34, Matthew 28:6, 1 Corinthians 15:20, Mark 16:6, John 21:14, Romans 8:34, Matthew 28:7

Genesis 1:27,

John 21:25,

Hello Kathleen. If you read John 21:20-24, we see that the "disciple whom Jesus loved" was reclining against Jesus at the Lord's Last Supper. And it's this disciple who says, "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true". We know that Lazarus wasn't present at the Last Supper, so he couldn't be the Gospel writer. And we also understand that John, as others, tended not to refer to themselves by name, especially when there was a special Grace being afforded - that they not be the focal point. See 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 as an example from Paul.

Interesting insight very encouraging for moments we are going forward in that perspective.

I've thought of it many times as even though knowing the outcome Paul through Jesus' example was able to face adversity regardless of the outcome. Luke 9:22, Luke 9:44, Luke 18:31-33, Matthew 16:21-27, Matthew 17:22-23, Mark 8:31-38,

John 21:15-19,

Old Testament 2 Kings 2:1,2,3,5,9,11,12,

Do I have to be baptized in water to be saved ? Yes !!!!! See Bible Study Proof below:

Mark 16:16

1 Peter 3:21

Acts 2:38

Acts 4:12

Acts 19:1-6

Acts 10:44-48

John 3:1-6

1 Corinthians 14:2,22,39

Acts 2:4

Acts 5:32

Acts 1:8

John 21:15

Jesus loves us! Landon

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Jesus Christ sent Paul ( Acts 9:15) to preach about his name. Jesus Christ

means in Hebrew "Jehovah is Salvation" ( John 3:16,17; Psalm 83:18)

so Paul was taking the lead and many other qualified men were appointed

to lead the congregations or "Churches KJV". 1 Timothy 3

According to Acts 2 man and woman fulfilled the prophecy at Joel 2:28

during a day of Pentecost ( Acts 2:16-18). All were filled with the holy spirit ( john 4:24)

were all at the same time speaking in tongues. (multitudes heard in his own language

Acts 2:1,3,6)

Paul was maybe trying to explain that the congregation is not that event.( 1 Corinthians 12:27-31)

that they must speak or prophecy one at a time. to keep the congregation in order. 1Corinthians 14:33.

However, because a man is the head of his wife. a wife remains silent in the congregation ( 1Tim. 2:12).

if she wants to ask a question about something. she should not become authoritative within

the congregation or church (if she doesn't understand something, she should go to her husband).

1 Corinthians 14:35

Ephesians 5:21-24

if someone is single. then the head would be Jesus Christ because he is the head of the man (Jesus Christ has appointed qualified men to shepherd the congregation John 21:17. if a woman is single or not married, she can

go to the one taking the lead, and they can pray for her.

James 5:14-16

1 Samuel 1:9-18; Luke 10:38-42;

Acts 20:28; 1 Timothy 3

Regarding woman and head covering, according to 1 Corinthians 11:5,8;

if her husband is present, she covers her head if she is preaching or praying.

if her husband is not present and she preaches and prophecies or prays to God,

then she should cover her head as a sign of authority because of the angels.

this is what the scripture says. I can't tell you anything other

1 Corinthians 11:2-3;8-10; 1Tim. 2:12

1 Corinthians 11:1,2,16 "keeping the order as delivered to them"

"we have no custom of being contentious about"

Hi Louis. I believe that it was John who is referred to in John 19:26,27. Why I think this, is because in other places (e.g. John 13:23; John 20:2; John 21:20) John resorts to this expression "the disciple whom He loved" & speaking in such a manner was common when the focus was taken off oneself. We can also think of 2 Corinthians 12:1-7 as an example, where clearly the Apostle Paul is speaking of His experience of Heaven though not naming himself as the one.

Then in John 21:20-24, Peter questions Jesus about "what shall this man (?) do?" And then the brethren believed "that that disciple (?) should not die". Again, who is that disciple? John then says in verse 24, "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true." Or, 'I am that disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things...". Therefore, we can say with all certainty that the disciple whom Jesus loved was indeed John, the Apostle who referred to himself as such.

Hi Brother Carleton.

It has been a busy week. Sorry for my late response.

1 John 2:1-2. is straight forward and a blessing to the whole world if the receive it.

Here is where I believe Is one of the most ignored and misunderstood sections in the scripture, considering its importance. ( NOTICE WHAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED )

1 John 2:3. And HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, if we keep his commandments.

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: HEREBY KNOW WE THAT WE ARE IN HIM.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

HE THAT SAITH HE IS IN THE LIGHT, AND HATETH HIS BROTHER, IS IN DARKNESS EVEN UNTIL NOW.

( He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.)

BUT HE THAT HATETH HIS BROTHER IS IN DARKNESS, AND WALKETH IN DARKNESS, AND KNOWETH NOT WHITHER HE GOETH, BECAUSE THAT DARKNESS HATH BLINDED HIS EYES.

( This is divinely done by the Holyspirit, it's not left up to you! This is part of the gathering together, bound together by one Spirit.) "HEREBY we know" WE CAN KNOW!! The Spirit don't lie. So we should examine ourselves to see if the Holyspirit worketh in us. Confirmed ( NOT BY YOUR DOCTRINE ). But by Love for the BRETHREN.

Here's more-

John 13:34-35. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Peter understood what level of Love this is in John 21:15-17.

God bless.

You need to read Revelation chapter 22; of the King James Bible.

You are dangerously close to becoming a candidate for what's written in



Revelation 20:12-13

Revelation 22:18-20

John 21:31

Galatians 1:8-9

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

THE APOCRYPHA IS NOT PART OF THE CANONIZED BIBLE.

Read Ezekiel chapter 2,

Then Ezekiel 3:17-27

These scriptures are a warning from God. Is this relevant in the year 2021. from someone who was pulled out of the snake pit of hell; so be wise and don't go near writings that aren't in the Bible.

Astrology is not even a science. It's a religion. The only sign that Christians have, is the BLOOD OF JESUS. Same goes for Apocrypha.

Please, please, may we all quit dabbling in and around the evil that inhabits these things...so as to give a comment on them.

There are many more people WHO WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. They need to be saved. They've heard Jesus knocking on the door of their hearts. The Harvest is here, now.

Even for us Christians, we need to read those Ezekiel verses. This is going to come up at the BEMA seat judgment of Christ. Rewards or no rewards. Everything we do has to pass through the fire.

I have a question for us all. How do you think world governments are going to pay for all this destruction and disasters in the great nations of the world? Billions and Trillions of dollars?

The one world system of money is advancing.

* The white horse of the Apocalypse represents religious deception; money system

* The red horse of the Apocalypse represents wars.

* The black horse of the Apocalypse represents famines.

* The pale horse of the Apocalypse represents pestilence (disease epidemics and pandemics) and Disasters and death.

Hi brother Jesse.

John 13:36-37. Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

" Something we know Peter couldn't do.

Peter couldn't Agape the Lord the way he thought he could, "

And in the English it's not obvious but in

John 21:15 he basically admits it using phileo to answer the Lord.

"Yea, Lord thou knowest that I love thee "

not Agape as the Lord asked.

So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, YEA, LORD; THOU KNOWEST THAT I LOVE THEE. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

The 3rd time the Lord asked he also used phileo, Instead of Agape and Peter wept.

What Peter couldn't do in John 13:36-37,

( Follow the Lord to his death )

The Lord tells him it's what he's "GOING" to do in John 21:18-19.

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.

This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, FOLLOW ME.

Once filled with the Holy Spirit Peter preached the Gospel boldly knowing his fate was death.

It's amazing what we can do when the Spirit of God is in you.

You can know the scripture and walk alongside Christ but without the Holyspirit baptism WHEN YOU TRULY BELIEVE. it means nothing.

Matthew 7:22-23. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

AGAPE YOUR BRETHREN.

HERE BY WE KNOW!!

God bless.

Dear Jesse,

Do you have a Bible verse to support that belief that blasphemy of the holy ghost can't be done by believers or Christians? I'm not aware of that being stated anywhere in the Bible, so unless I see that I will deem that untrue. By default, everything Jesus says is relevant and applicable to all.

Judas was a Christian in the literal sense and after he betrayed Christ he died a horrible death. I don't believe he went to heaven. Peter also denied Christ and I believe was blasphemous and likely sending him hell bound. But Jesus made a special exception as described in John 21:15-25 and asked him if he loved Him. John 14:15.

The Bible had disciples follow Him and listen to everything He said and He spoke to everyone.

Matthew 13:10-17 - says Jesus spoke in parables so those who believed would understand. He spoke many parables about the risk of going to hell with his followers (Christians). So, one might ask: if Jesus spoke in parables aimed at believers, and if he spoke them most often to his Christian followers, and if most parables are about most people going to hell and how to avoid that, then one might conclude that Christians weren't 'saved' yet and actually had to proactively avoid sin.

Does a Christian still have freewill to turn their back on Jesus and commit the unpardonable sin that Jesus warned Christians about? Of course.

Satan is the father of lies and he loves spreading falsehoods. Which is more likely that he's trying to deceive Christians into being more obedient than needed? Or that he's trying to deceive Christians into assuming they're already saved regardless of their actions, that they can commit unlimited sin, and enjoy sin, to live in the world, to love the world, and assume they have a get out of hell free card?

Satan is unlikely to do the former and very likely to do the latter. Many Christians would love to commit sin if they knew they were saved regardless. That would be exactly what satan wants. Mat 7:21

Terrance.

Perhaps this is what you are talking about,

John 21:22 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

Read the whole chapter.

Hi Howard. I believe that the other disciple was John himself. We read in John 20:2 "Then she (Mary Magdalene) runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them...".

John 13:23: "Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved."

John 21:20: "Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?"

So you can see the common phrase in each of these verses: "whom Jesus loved". John often referred to himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved. Why he did this, I'm unsure. Though not wanting to give any focus or attention to himself, rather to the Lord & the other brethren, could be a valid reason.

I want to be a bible leader

It has been a good day. Jesus speaks to me and you.

John 21:14-17

14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.

15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon Peter, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he saith unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things, thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him. Feed my sheep.

I love Johns's humility, when he has a chance to brag about himself he chooses not to. Calling himself in the 3d person.

Hello Charles,

I most enjoy having a personal discussion with another brother in Christ. As I also have a KJV Bible that I study the Word from. I don't see that what we are discussing as wasting time. No one person knows exactly how everything went at these times as I'm sure you know. Thank God we have the Gospels that were written. Although it is still limiting to everything that happened in detail. Though it is more than enough to save us. As John 21:25 states that "if everything which Jesus did were written even the world itself could not contain the books". Maybe looking at the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Some things are contained almost exact in one to another, some things differ a bit but you can tell it is of the same event, then there are some things that are unique to each book and are not in one another. I would hope that someone would not just pick one, say Matthew because it was the earliest, and say "this is the one I believe." We should read all of them and put them all together and we still only have a fraction of the Lord's journey.

To answer your question of: What Gospel did you believe to be saved? It was when I was reading the book of John. Very early of me reading the NT as I hadn't read it fully from the beginning yet as I was jumping around. What spoke to my heart was reading of Jesus giving His disciples the new commandment of "love one another" in John 13:34. Also in John 15. When I read this is when I knew Jesus Christ was the truth and from God. Through my whole life feeling, in my heart, that love is what really matters. Reading this was just amazing to me and almost like what I had always wanted to hear. This is when I gave myself to the Lord. Praise be to our Father and Jesus Christ for everything I/we have been led to.

Thank you for sharing what spoke to you, from the Holy Bible, that saved you.

I doubt if it was ever God's intention to have all aspects of history, both personal & political history, be revealed in His Holy Word. What He has provided for us is for a reason & for a season, so the things that are revealed may be useful for our knowledge & manner of living here on Earth. We would certainly love to know much more, as you say, to fill in the "gaps", but that is not required for now. There is also a certain exercise of trust & expectancy that comes when we simply have to admit that we don't have all the answers to our questions, but that God has & His only expectation of us is that we learn & live according to His revealed Word. He won't accuse anyone for ignorance when the Word doesn't reveal more information to us, but we stand before Him if we fail to obey what He has asked of us. And I believe there's plenty in the Word of God for us to learn from, revise in our hearts & fulfil in our lives.

And besides, is it even possible that everything be written about biblical people, places & events? Just of Jesus' Life, we read in John 21:25, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written." How our hearts & minds yearn to know more about our Lord & Saviour, yet that earnest waiting & expectation can only grow in us as we await that great day when faith becomes sight & we behold the One Whom we love, but Who first loved us by giving us of Himself completely. The spirit of Word tells me that as we long to see Him & be with Him, is also Jesus' longing for His blood-bought bride to be at His Side throughout eternity. Let's not focus on what we might be missing out from the Word's 'limited history' revealed to us, but to delight in what God has chosen to show us now for our benefit, that also instils excitement of what is to come later, both in knowledge & experience.

If I'm understanding you correctly, the thieves that hung on their crosses at each side of Jesus, were hung & nailed in the 'proper manner', so to speak. There's no indication that their crucifixion was any different to the others. There is a tradition however, that the Apostle Peter was crucified upside down at his request, so that his crucifixion would not resemble his Lord's. But that is only tradition & not found in Scripture.

In John 21:18, Jesus told Peter, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not". Some have understood Jesus' prophecy of Peter that one day he would be taken as a prisoner & eventually crucified. We can't be certain that is what is meant. Whatever the case, it is of praise to the Lord that all His servants, the apostles, were willing to lay down their lives for Jesus, as Jesus had done for them. That should be cause of much searching of our own hearts in our love & commitment to our wonderful Saviour.