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1 Corinthians 15:1-4

"[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Not works of ours are involved, Be sure to always look a scripture carefully and having the Holy Spirit help you

Ephesians 2:8-10

"[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

Dear Brother Michael,

Your 1st question:

1. Did God make a mistake when he created a request (not a commandment) to circumcise?

No, God did not make a mistake. It was a request, per the scripture below:

Leviticus 12:1

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying," 2 "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying," and continued on....3And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

God said to Moses SPEAK to the children of Israel! This circumcision was a REQUEST at that time. It was not a commandment in the same sense as a commandment in God's 10 Commandments. VERY IMPORTANT distinction!

Your second question:

You ask why did the church of the 1st century change God's request of circumcision. Because it wasn't one of God's 10 commandments.

The apostles believed and followed God's 10 commandments, and they did not change any of God's 10 Commandments!

Here is apostle John stating that fact:

1 John 2:3

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

Now Brother Michael, please answer one question for me: Do you believe that the apostles were wrong in following and keeping God's 10 Commandments?

I await your answer Brother.

God Bless

Michael.

I errored on previous reply. I believe

Hebrews 6. is talking to believers, BUT not about SALVATION. If we can loose our salvation can we be restored? Every one sins, no one is perfect. Romans 7 ect..

Jesus is our advocate with the Father if we do sin. 1John 2:1. ect..

Visiting the text.

Hebrews 6:4-6. For it is ""IMPOSSIBLE" for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO (REPENTANCE) seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

IF THIS VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT SALVATION THAT MEANS YOU GOT ONE CHANCE. "" FOR IT IS ( IMPOSSIBLE ) TO RENEW THEM AGAIN!! If you sin it's over!

Read on. NOTICE VERSE 9.

Hebrews 6:7-9. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

9) But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and THINGS THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION, though we thus speak.

The Entire Msg to the Hebrews is about maturity.

they was under persecution and was still mengaling in Judaism.

Fruit and gifts accompany salvation through the Holyspirit, Not Judaism.

Salvation and SANCTIFICATION is by the work of the spirit and is a GIFT "un Merritted."

This Way is called God's election.

Romans 9:11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH;)

2 Timothy 1:12. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

God bless

Wine referred to was alcoholic, because of verses like this John 2:10. Jesus' first miracle was to make wine for the wedding, so He must not have a problem in small responsible amount. And the Word also recommended it to protect against illness. There are many medicines, drugs prescribed today for medical reasons that in larger doses would be irresponsible and harmful to our body/holy temple.

I personally don't see wine referred to as a mocker as a condemnation of wine for all situations. Anything in excess is harmful and can be abused and become an addiction.

Brother Dan, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk OLD WINE straightway desireth NEW (wine): for he saith, THE OLD IS BETTER.

John 2:1 And THE THIRD DAY (represents Christ resurrection) there was a MARRIAGE IN CANA OF GALILEE.....(represents New Jerusalem)

John 2:2 And BOTH Jesus was called, and his disciples, TO THE MARRIAGE.

John 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, THEY HAVE NO WINE.

John 2:9 .... and the governor (God the Spirit) of the feast called (CHRIST) the bridegroom,

John 2:10 And saith unto him....but thou has kept the good wine until NOW.

The old (wine: laws written in tablets of natural stone) were replaced by new (wine) laws written in the heart.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22:38 This is the first and GREATEST COMMANDMENT.

Matthew 22:39 And the SECOND is like unto it, thou shall LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.

Matthew 22:40 ON these TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG all the law and prophets.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart will I GIVE you, and a new spirit will I put in you....

Ezekie 36:27 ....and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes....

1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

(According to this verse, the antichrist was already present in the 1st century when the Apostle John wrote the verse. Therefore, the antichrist is not someone who is going to appear on the world stage in the near future but that has been around since the time of the Apostle John - false teachers are the antichrist.)

1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."

1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Living under the new covenant today does not take away from God's 10 commandments. Many people today quote and misquote apostle Paul's writings. This simple truth is that the apostle Paul does not have the authority to cancel any of God's commandments.

Jesus respected his Father and his commandments and Jesus did not cancel any of the 10 commandments. Please read and try to understand the following scriptures spoken directly by Jesus Christ while he was on this earth.

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

John 14:21

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Matthew 5:18

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Paul and the other disciples honored and followed the 10 commandments including the 4th commandment. See apostle John's scripture below:

1 John 2:3

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

1 John 5:2

"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments."

1 John 5:3

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

2 John 1:6

"And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."

Please read the scriptures and pray for understanding.

God bless

Hi Christine,

You stated "Christ died to change the world"

The scripture doesn't say Christ came to "change" the world. He came so those who receive him might have life, and that's "EVERLASTING LIFE" and fellowship with the Father.

Now he put his Spirit in us/ believers and the Holyspirit spirit changes us, ( providing his Spirit dwells in us ).

Here's just a few of many scriptures:

1 John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Matthew 20:28. Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

1 Timothy 2:5-6. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Maybe there's others who would like to elaborate.

God bless you.

Hi Jesse. I do agree, as we see in Mark 1:41-45, that the people thronged Him & probably for the wrong reasons & this forced Jesus to withdraw from them & pursue the Father's Will in His Way & His Timing.

I also see the oft used phrase, "My hour is not yet come" (as seen in John 2:1-5: Wedding at Cana; John 7:1-9: when urged to present Himself; John 7:25-30 & John 8:20: when about to be arrested). It seems that all Jesus' miracles, His talks, even the places He went to, were directed by His Father according to the Plan laid out for Him. The Plan being, that certain things had to happen (not sooner or later) for the duration of those 33 years He lived on Earth. Even though He was encouraged by His Mother, brethren & disciples to do more miracles or take advantage of the crowds that gathered, Jesus knew that the time appointed to Him would be violated by doing so & that all that was necessary for Him to do during those years were foreordained for a reason. And so He could finally exclaim: "that His hour had come" ( Mark 14:41, John 17:1) when He knew that His Work on Earth was nearing completion, culminating at the Cross.

I wonder whether by making Himself more prominent or proving Himself as the Messiah in a greater more dynamic way, would have thwarted the Plan of God for His Life (from the cradle to the cross) and therefore would fail to bring on the full & proper results as the Father had ordained. Just a few thoughts to add to yours, Jesse.

Verses,

Yes, Jesus died not only for your sins but for the sins of the whole world, again given to us in 1 John 2:2. John 1:12 says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

Even though Christ died for our sins, a person must still receive Him in order to be saved. I don't like to use the words "accept Christ" because to me, accept just means to mentally agree with what Jesus did for us. A person has to literally receive Jesus Christ.

The entire salvation process is designed by God, from start to finish. Man plays no part in salvation other than surrendering their life to Jesus Christ. A person cannot save his/herself. The only thing we have to contribute to salvation is the sin from which we need to be saved from.

I hope I'm not making this confusing for you? If I may ask you, have you received Christ? Have you confessed your sin to Him and called upon His name ( Romans 10:13) for Him to have mercy on you and come into your life? Have you been born of His Spirit? ( John 3:3, John 1:13, John 3:6)

Surrendering one's life to Christ is the most important decision one will ever have to make!

Verses, (Don't know your name)

Verse 15 tells us that the sting of death is sin. It is because of man's sin that everyone will physically die. Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is death. That death was not only physical death, but eternal separation from God. It finishes out by saying "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

So now instead of death (eternal separation from God), through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, we can now have eternal life through Jesus Christ. But if Christ did not rise from the grave, neither would we, and we would still be lost in our sins.

1 John 2:2 says "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Propitiation means satisfaction. But it is also the word for mercy seat in the Old Testament in the tabernacle area.

The bible tells us that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, everybody's sins. But its application and its effectiveness are only for those who receive Him. When the whole world stands before Christ, the only thing they will answer for is how they responded to Christ. That's it! And some will die in their sins because they have rejected Christ.

So all who receive Christ will live with Him for eternity (Eternal life). Those who reject Him will die in their sins and will be separated from Him throughout eternity.

Hopefully, this makes more sense?

2 Peter 1: 10-11 is very clear that we, as believers, must hold fast to our faith in Christ for eternal salvation. This, along with many other verses, teach that the security of the believer is conditional, not unconditional. 1 Peter 1:5 even tells us that we are kept by the power of God through faith (present/continual tense). We are to be active followers of Christ, just as Christ says in John 10: 27-28. the ones who are secure are the ones who follow Christ. We are absolutely assured of our eternal salvation as long as we continue in the Father through the Son (1 John 2:24-25). We are taught by John in his 1st epistle that the promise of eternal life is conditional on continued faith in Christ. We are told we need to endure to the end ( Mt 10:22).

Some people think 2 Peter 1: 10-11 has nothing to do with justification, but, sanctification. This is misleading because verse 11 clears explained and expounds on verse 10 to mean eternal entrance to Heaven..... Key word is entrance. If 2 Peter 1:10-11 had nothing to do with our salvation Peter would not have even mentioned entrance into Heaven.

We can, and should take such comfort in the hope and assurance we have in our eternal life. However, we need to be mindful of the warnings that the writers of the Holy Bible put forth, as well. We must never take our eyes of Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith ( Heb. 12:2). We must never let ourselves grieve the Holy Spirit by partaking in willful sin, as by willful sinning we create and evil heart of unbelief and run the risk of departing from the living God and falling short of entrance into His rest- Heaven ( Heb. 3: 12- Heb. 4:1). We must remain in God's word for guidance and instruction. By doing so, we will grow in our walk with Christ. We must always remember, He is the vine, we are the branches. We can do nothing without him. If we do not abide/remain in Christ we are cast off and burned, which is synonymous with hell ( John 15 1:6).

Hi Juan, it is resolved that the Word is Jesus in this passage- one has to twist things significantly to get it to mean anything else, as already demonstrated. Open dialog is good, but we should pray for wisdom first before reading the Bible and ask God for understanding. We must seek Him. If someone attempts to undermine Jesus' divinity, that should always be a red flag. Such things don't come from God. We must keep our armor of God on and keep watch. The Bible predicts there will be deceivers, 1 John 2:22, Mark 13:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, Matthew 24:24. It sounds unbelievable, but some Christians I've heard even elevate themselves on the same level as Jesus Christ, which fits what these verses say will happen near the end times.

God bless...

Hi Bob,

Obviously you took my post incorrectly. I'll try using Scriptures again.

I never said Christ and the Father was not a relationship. You brought this up. I never said Christ is the Father or the Father is Christ as it seems you took it. I know it's a Father Son relationship. Again John 10:30, John 14:11, John 17:21. Revelation 3:21. For a couple.

Some say the Father being in Christ means He left Heaven. God spoke from Heaven several times proving that false. Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 12:28.

Here are a couple stating the Spirit of Truth or Holy Ghost as He/Him: John 14:17, John 14:26. Putting the three in ONE as in 1 John 5:7.

As I've been trying to answer your questions though you seemed to have veered from mine. No one knows the depths and ways of God. He can do anything He wants. Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 55:8-9. Just like giving all His power and authority to His Son so we honor Him just as we honor the Father. Matthew 28:18, John 5:22-23. Not knowing your beliefs on this but no one can say Christ did not exist before He was born here. Christ Himself stated this and there are other Scriptures that back this up also. John 17:4-5. All I do is use the Scriptures. I have no private interpretation as that is not what the Scriptures are for. 2 Peter 1:20.

Nothing is falling apart for me. I've given you many Scriptural verses as I have not seen one from you. Also I really don't even know your motive for making the first post the other night. The reason I made the reply is because you said something about a "man made trinity doctrine". Which I showed you is not man made it's Biblical.

Still not getting into how many titles the Father and Son share. Not knowing if it would make any difference to you.

I'm not here to argue and don't take my post that way please. You may have your own view.

Again as I hope I've answered your questions. I'll just leave the one again.

Do you believe the Scriptures I've posted?

Thank you. God Bless.

It is a spiritual relationship.

1 Corinthians 2:14

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

John 4:24

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

God Bless

I and my father are one , that's a relationship.

Do you know what a relationship is ?

Husband and wife are one .

So it's starts falling apart for you right at the start .

Can you prove that the father and son are not a relationship?

John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.

Do you believe these Scriptures? As I could put more titles that both Jesus Christ and LORD(from the OT) share if you'd like.

There is no trinity "doctrine". That is what is in the Holy Bible. Trinity is just a word of tri/three + unity= trinity. Jesus Christ is ONE with God the Father and so is the Holy Ghost.

And in those days, the Chosen One will sit on his Throne, and all the Secrets of Wisdom will flow out from the council of His mouth, for the Lord of Spirits has appointed Him and glorified Him.

So as you are a man are you trying to explain God yourself? All we do is read the Scriptures.

God existed before the world and is the father of all .

Any one doubt that ?

Jesus being born of God ( as well as a women ) anyone doubt that ?

Jesus being of God ( the son of God ) automatically makes him before the world existed because God is .

It's a no brainer unless you think Jesus is just a man like a prophet .

Peter said Jesus was the son of the living God and the Christ for told in scriptures.

All this trinity doctrine is just mans attempt to explain God .

And it's still just mans doctrine not found in the Bible but formed hundreds of years later .

Hello brother Adam,

As I really don't know of many groups though I have seen it here by some numerous times.

The first that come to mind that discredit the divinity of Christ are I believe, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and non converted Jewish people of coarse. And to note one thing at the end of a comment in that "Christ did not exist before His birth and neither did you or I". Well no one except Jesus Christ was born of a virgin conceived of the Holy Ghost.

Some have tried to say that "stating Jesus Christ is more than a man is idolatry" Which is very sad to me. As in Scriptures like 1 John 2:23 or John 14:6. Even in my own personal experience. I prayed to God for most of my life. Though when I was led to Jesus Christ and knew He was from God reading His teachings. After giving myself to Him my entire life changed from the inside out. Praise the Lord!

I know a lot of military people and we all need to pray for their home comings from the wars. Suicide is really high. We need to pray they find jobs right away. Let's commit to pray often, for them. Pray for Divine intervention.

They're overseas and easy to forget about. There's something seriously wrong with forgetfulness.

There are many videos on YouTube of military engagements. Look up Hellfire Apache helicopters for reference. War is hard on everybody. Even children.

Jesus and Moses agree there is One GOD .

So may I ask who is your 1 God . Thanks for your honest answer , no multiples please .

Hi brother Earl,

To your three questions.

1) Yes. We who are in Christ have been Blessed with the Holy Spirit. After we have been purged from the things of this world through repentance and being taught by the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. We are counted worthy to judge as we are Spiritual and not carnal anymore. Though no man can judge us. 1 Corinthians 2:14-16.

I will add this. In the next verse 1 Corinthians 6:3 where it states "we shall judge angels". It does not say this in the Greek. Going over the Textus Receptus that verse actually comes out to "Know not that angels judge truly things that pertain to this life".

2) Yes. Though we who are in Christ are worthy to judge the things in this world when we become Holy. I do not believe this is the same as the Judgement each of us receive after our physical life ends and we are to stand before God or Christ. Only God can Judge each and every single person because He knows everything about everyone. Knowing what is truly in every single persons heart. As I stated in a previous post I can never say anyone is going to be saved or not. As brother Chris stated "salvation is of the Lord". Then as the verse right after the one you posted states how the righteous shall scarcely be saved. 1 Peter 4:18. Not that all shall be saved.

3) So as I believe God is the only true Judge. As Christ is also on His throne. God's Judgement is of righteousness. Having many synonyms. As our Saviour is Jesus Christ being the only way to the Father. In that we have all fallen short of the Glory of God in our lives. Why God had to send us His Son to be the Perfect sacrifice to pay for our sins once and for all. Not meaning it's ok to sin now. We have a perfect example to follow and that is our Lord. Who lived a perfect life and we should try our best to follow in His footsteps.

As we can plainly see in the world today not all are with God. Also the world is a lot worse than people can see in plain sight.

Brother Richard, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Do you believe the saints are going to judge the world?

1 Corinthians 6:2

Do you believe that judgement is upon the house of God now; and we are that house?

1 Peter 4:17

If you believe the saints are going to judge the world; what is the judgement of:

Psalms 149:9

Amen Brother in Christ! I fully agree! God bless you for sharing your message with me.

I did have great convictions during those times of sinning. I was doing drugs, and smoking cigarettes. I was even attending church during those days. I was being and feeling hypocritical and I asked Jesus to forgive me and to come back into my heart. Was also baptized again. Yet not at that exact time did I stop the sinning. Although I felt great conviction from it all. God loves me sooo much he helped me as well as my husband by us going to jail. Getting probation and seeing we no longer wanted to live that sinful way. We stopped all drugs, stopped smoking cigarettes, and although I struggle with panic attacks when I drive I choose to start driving again without fear. My husband and I for the first time in months got to attend our Sons Church in Tulsa last Sunday. Our 8 yr old granddaughter was baptized. Praise the Lord! My husband has been having hesitation about going to the church we have here where we live. Satan has been attacking him. Please pray God will touch his heart, and open his eyes to what he is missing. He is saved. Pray for me as well as I choose to do all that the Lord has planned for me to do. I choose to live a life free of sin. I want to always honor God, and bring greater opportunities to help not only myself but, all others who don't know the Lord as their Savior. May God bless you for doing His will because you shared your message with me. I am truly blessed by it! Joan

Amen I completely agree! God Bless you for sharing this with me!

Amen my brother Chris!

Satan thrown out of heaven: and they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death revelation 12:11.their spiritual state of being: i have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of god abides in you, and you have overcome the wicked one 1 john 2:14. obedience of faith: for whatever is born of god overcomes the world. and this is the victory that has overcome the world_ our faith. who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that jesus is the son of god? 1 john 5:4-5. glory to god: now to him able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to god our savior, who alone is wise, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever.amen jude 1:24-25

Hello Joan. I fully agree with what Jesse has shared with you. And thank you for your testimony of the Lord "giving you another chance", making you new again. Accordingly, your life has turned about completely & you want to glorify Him through it by living only for Him.

But you are in conflict & despair as to what would have happened if you died whilst in a comatose state & were living in sin. This is a question no one here can answer, as salvation is "of the Lord" & is personal between Him (His Spirit) & you. Each person's state is only known by God, & what He does to bring a sinning Christian back to Himself, cannot be known by us. What concerned me was what you said, "if in our past after receiving salvation we were a good Christian for a while, yet this changed to a sinful nature." Again, only the Lord & you would know what took place at the time of salvation. When you heard the Gospel, when you responded to it, how you were taught in the Word, how you responded to the Holy Spirit's Work in you, are some questions only you can answer. If your salvation wasn't real at that time (i.e. without conviction of sin & your estrangement from God) or maybe you heard the Gospel in an incorrect/incomplete way, then when looking back at the attractions of the world & to fulfil your desires would be easy to do, without any sense of guilt or wrongdoing.

But if you were saved at that time, the Holy Spirit wouldn't let you go - every thought, every act or desire of yours would bring about conviction because sin cannot be entertained in a holy vessel. Again, only you can discern what went on in you during that time of rejection of the Christ-centred life. And if you had struggles, indeed it was the Lord alerting you, calling & drawing you back to Himself. Maybe it was the coma itself that the Lord used to finally 'shake' you out of sin & complacency & you're now on the road to faithful godly living & real joy & peace in the spirit as you serve Him. Luke 15:10 & Hebrews 12:2.

I can't imagine those that don't seek the lord what they truly are missing, the peace of the lord is joyous. I am glad you are saved as the Lord says

Seek and yeah shah find. Your life will continue to be more peaceful in harmony and love as you search his word set yourself approved you can know that the Lord will be your guide .

Thru all tribulations you truly will have peace.

He's out strength. Amen