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Hi Becky,

Praise the Lord for his meeting with you and revealing to you your sins, and causing you to fly to Jesus for salvation!

It is a GREAT sign to me that you are hating your sin and want to be free of it. That is exactly what the Holy Spirit's work in us does...it makes us hate sin and desire to please God! HalleluJAH!

It seems that it's a matter for you to 'grow in grace' and to exercise your faith. It would be so easy if God would just do a miracle and take all of our sinful inclinations away but He, in His wisdom, doesn't work that way. Paul the apostle tells us we must 'work out our salvation with fear and trembling.' It is WORK to kill the flesh, the inner motions of sin, and to chose instead to walk in the Spirit.

It's vital that you take God at His Word, and do it, no matter if you feel like it or not Becky, or if you 'feel' anything at all, for that matter. We walk by faith. I'm going to leave a few Scriptures here for you to meditate on, believe, and put into practice! The prayers will continue!!

Here are the verses for you:



1 John 3:8-9 -He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Whoever has God's Spirit cannot live in habitual sin, because God will give him/her no rest until he/she obeys! :)

Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Please read, and read, and re-read Romans 8:1-14, Becky.

In the love of Christ, with blessings....

Mike, I'm praying for you but I have a question. What did you mean exactly when you said " while I was still good"?

I'm just wondering because our perceived goodness doesn't win us any merit with God. Salvation isn't about how good we are. We can't earn our way into God's kingdom with our goodness or works that we do. It's about how much God loves us. I'm just gonna keep this short and give you two scriptures that come to mind. Make that three.

Jobs wife said " Do you still retain your integrity? ,why don't you just curse God and die!" Needless to say she got replaced.

#1 Read JOB 2:9

Job did not sin with his lips bringing accusation against the Lord.

#2 Read Romans 3:10

No one is righteous, nope, not me, not you. God owes us nothing. All of our righteousness is as filthy rags. Salvation is a gift. And friendship with the world is enmity with God. Prosperity is a false gospel. But if you'll seek Gods kingdom with your truest heart, He will give you the truest desires of your heart. He knows better than you what will make you happy.

I don't believe that Jesus threw you in to a pen with wolves. That doesn't sound like Jesus. But the devil is the adversary. He roams the earth seeking whom he may devour. We cannot be saved our way. We must do it the Bible way. Submit to the Lord. Repent or perish, for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

#3 Read John 3:16

It's all about His love for us. God sent His Son to take our sin. That's the gift. That our souls would not perish.

So much for keeping it short right?

Let me ask you this question in closing.

Do you honestly think that if you would have been blessed With houses and cars and wives and children and money raining from the heavens and friends and FB followers that you would even be seeking the Lord at all? Be honest with yourself.

Here's a bonus scripture :-)

Read Mark 8:36

All you have to do is touch the links to the scriptures I've referenced and they will open.

Hi Roy. Briefly, the Son of Man is a title used exclusively by Jesus - His disciples never addressed Him as such.

Jesus used it to emphasize His humanity ( Matthew 8:20; Mark 8:31), though there were occasions where He used the title, Son of God ( John 3:18; John 5:25; John 9:35-37; John 10:36; etc).

The title, Son of Man, also goes back to the Book of Daniel where the Son of Man would inherit the everlasting kingdom of God ( Daniel 7:13,14). It is a designation of the Messiah Who would inherit God's everlasting Kingdom.

At His trial Jesus acknowledged that He was indeed the Son of Man - the one who would bring in God's everlasting kingdom ( Matthew 26:64,65). When the religious leaders heard this they accused Him of blasphemy - making Himself equal with God.

The purpose of the title seems to be Jesus' Own emphasis on His Humanity. And through His Humanity, doing the Works of God as none other had done before & bringing the Words of God as they never heard before, the people would also see that this was no ordinary man (as was believed, the son of Joseph & Mary), but One of God, sent by God. Jesus' Life even till His Death proved to at least some folk that this Son of Man was indeed the Son of God: they needed to come to realize this fact by observation, not by His proclamation.

These are verses for the "Caught Up in the Clouds". Rapture is not in the English. I believe it's a Greek word.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 5:2

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Mark 13:26

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62

And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Revelation 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

John 3:17 - For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[now pencil these scriptures in the back of your Bible; in case a friend asks you what you believe about this]

Hello, you will likely get different opinions on this, so my recommendation is to just read the Bible with an open heart and open mind and pray for wisdom and understanding before, during and after. There's a link on this site that says Become a Christian which has a lot of verses you can read and then read the entire chapters and books for broader context.

My interpretation of the scriptures is that if we decide to legitimately turn from our old evil ways and follow Jesus while intentionally trying to follow Him and avoid sin, then that process is being born again. John 3:3 It is the process of becoming new in Christ. I believe this is a huge commitment and a serious change in someone's direction in life. I think people who dismiss this as unimportant are at risk of not legitimately being born again. I think most Christians dismiss following Jesus as just a box to check so they can then go back to enjoing a life of sin (and inadvertantly following satan). Most people do this and most will go to hell. That is a fact that Jesus warned us of over and over. And much of the gospel are warnings to both nonbelievers and believers- especially Christians not taking Jesus seriously. Matthew 10:28.

I personally don't believe anyone is "saved" until we are judged, and I don't believe judgment day happens until Jesus returns. And I believe it will all happen on the same day, because it says 'day of judgment' over and over. Not days, or weeks, or years of judgment. This contradicts what a lot of people want to believe that they go instantly to heaven upon death.

So, my belief differs from popular Christian interpretations which says people are already "saved" if they respond to an altar call, or touch the TV and pray while at home, or invite Jesus "into your heart". These words aren't exactly found in the Bible from what I have discovered.

When I read about salvation it appears to be future tense- after judgment. Romans 10:9, 1 Peter 1:5. 1 Corinthians 9:24. God bless.

Jesus is very clear about "spiritual death" and resurrection:

"...He that heareth my word,

and believeth on him that sent me,

hath everlasting life,

and shall not come into condemnation;

but is passed from death unto life."

"...is passed from death unto life."

The author(s) of 1st John appear(s) to comprehend the theological concept:

"We know that we have passed from death unto life,

because we love the brethren.

He that loveth not his brother abideth in death."

1 John 3:14

There seems to be a bit of confusion here. It is ONLY for those who have heard the gospel, believed on Jesus and have been born from above ( John 3:16) that then receive the 'Spirit of adoption" by which they cry "Abba Father". Jesus told the Jewish rulers that they were of their father, the devil, for they rejected Christ! Only those who are in Christ can rightfully call God their 'Father', for they are born of His Spirit in Christ Jesus! Jesus is not the 'Father' of every person on earth, though He be their Maker after the flesh.

As for honoring our natural parents, whether they are 'good' parents or not - yes; we are to honor them and show them respect while they are alive. The Bible does not say, "Honor thy good mother" or 'thy good father'. We are to honor them as far as we can.

There is no point laying flowers on a grave and bring 'sacrifices for the dead.' We must honor them while they are yet alive, when we can possibly do them good and be a blessing to them.

I have heard of unsaved parents (and other family members) being won over by the godly behavior of those of us who are saved.

Blessings....

Romans 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21- And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

Romans 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Hebrews 11:6 (But without faith it is impossible to please him): for he that cometh to God (must believe) that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1Sa 31:12 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.

It is not sinful to cremate your body and is the cheapest way of burial as not to burden those left behind. Once we are done with these body's we are done never to return to them; so whatever form you wish to discard your fleshy body has no bearing on your heavenly one. Our flesh ages and gets sick but our spiritual last forever and is perfect, able to run and leap like a deer and last forever.

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Amos 2:1,

Is creamation of the body a sin in God's eyes?

" Begotten" means to give birth. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.

Chris,

I understand your point. Thanks.

Very true GiGi & appreciated. Though I see it as taking the understanding of the "Word of God" to the next level, the tri-aspect of God's Being, i.e. learning more about this Word that was made flesh, as also seen in the Qur'an. If Mohammad (the OP) was moved to enquire further, if indeed his enquiry about the meaning of 'begotten' was leading him to query an 'impossibility' with God, then you & I could be constrained to share more with him. But I can't ascertain how far he wants to enter into this important matter - maybe just simply for the definition of 'begotten'. We shall see.

Hello Chris,

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Here it can be confusing to some, But it is distinguishing the Word as being with God (another person of the Godhead) and also that this Word (another person of the Godhead) was also God.

Amen Brother Chris,

Terrance, I'm so sorry for your loss. I'll be praying for you. It's never easy losing a loved one.

John 3:16

Heavenly Father, please help Terrance right now. Be merciful and comfort his heart over the loss of his momma. Wrap your loving arms around him Lord and help him to put all of his trust in You right now and always. Thank You Lord in Jesus name I pray amen.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

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Jesus holds to His Oneness with God because He came forth out of God, to be a Man. Why? For the sole purpose, as you read in John 3:16,17, that He was 'begotten' so that "the World through Him might be saved". He willingly gave His Life as payment for our sins, so we won't suffer eternal torment in Hell. His Sacrifice pleased His Father & all who place their trust in Jesus alone will be accepted by God, because they have accepted God's offering for their sins. There's no other way to approach Almighty God or to be saved from our sins & eternal punishment - this was the one & only Plan of God - through His 'begotten Son'.

I hope that your question has been answered Mohammad, & more importantly, that your spirit might be alerted to this wonderful Plan of Salvation that God has made & given to us, so that we might be called His children because of Jesus Christ, & one day be with Him for eternity.

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Even in the Bible we read the same in Luke 1:34,35: "Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Thus the answer is learned: God gave His message through the angel; God's Spirit overshadowed Mary (or, placed within her womb) God's Holy Special Seed which was to be born into humanity; therefore, "He shall be called the Son of God". As al-Qur'an also states, 'this special Birth is humanity's sign & a revelation of God's Mercy to the world.'

You asked, the meaning of 'begotten'. I hope you can now see what it means, by God's Action: it is not a normal human-type birth, but a 'one of its kind, unique birth from God placing His special Seed into the woman. What was this special Seed? The Bible tells us, that God took His Own Word & sent it forth into the world as a human being (you can read about it in John 1:1-14). Even in Surah 3:45: "Remember when the angels proclaimed, 'O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest to Allah." (This Word from God (kalimat'ullah: God's Word), His Name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary).

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Hello Mohammad. Jesus Christ was speaking here when He said in John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Also verses 17 & 18 reference the 'Son of God'.

The words 'only begotten' in the original Greek (the language used in writing the New Testament), is: 'monogenes'. It is important to quote the whole phrase ('only begotten') to understand the intent of Jesus' Speech. 'Monogenes' means, 'one and only, or one of its kind', 'unique'. Jesus always said this of Himself, even when the Jewish religious leaders challenged Him. He said, "I and my Father are one. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" ( John 10:30,33). The Jews knew what Jesus was saying & they rejected Him because they could only understand His Birth & Presence before them in human terms. For them, as most people, a baby born can only come from human male & female intercourse.

But in God's Terms, He can bring forth whomever & whenever He wishes - He is God. God is not man to engage with a human female, so this 'monogenes' birth must be different, special. Even al-Qur'an states, when the angel approached Maryam with the message of a 'pure son', she became confused how this could possibly happen: "She wondered, 'how can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste'? He (the angel) replied, "So will it be! Your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.' It is a matter already decreed." (Surah 19:20,21).

Hi Richard.

Thanks for posting, you make some good points, but in reading your post you seem to be stating that Paul is preaching a different gospel than Jesus. Please correct me if I am interpreting your post wrong.

I believe it is very important that we understand that Paul and Jesus preached the same Gospel. This is: The Gospel of the Kingdom.

The gospel of the kingdom is the "Good News" that can be embraced by anyone who surrenders their life to Christ and begins to follow Jesus in their daily life.

Jesus talks about the Gospel of the Kingdom throughout his ministry.

Mark 1:15

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Paul also taught the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Acts 20:25

"And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more."

It is the "same gospel" yesterday, today, and tomorrow - forever!

God Bless.

Begotten just mean bring about or give rise to, no if you mean the "only begotten" that means single of it's kind, or only member of a kin or kind. The tern is used to describe the relation of kids to their parents.

Ex. If you have natural born kids they would be your begotten kids vs adoption because you brought them about,

Ex 2 is that of Issac was the one begotten son of Abraham even though he had other natural son, Ismael and others but Issac was the only begotten is that God's covenant, was established only through Isaac, Abraham's only son by God's promise, as well as the only son of Sarah. So he was the only member of that kind.

If u want to know about how Jesus is the only begotten son I'm happy to tell u

Amen Richard. It's truth and It's throughout scripture.

God bless.

John3:16:-what's means "begotten". Please explain this word.

Saul's original name had been changed to paul . jesus christ chose paul to be our apostle for the church age. to to the jews and gentiles of whomever. jesus christ gave the apostle paul a revelation being the gospel of salvation that god will use ( 1 corinthians 15:1-4 ) to judge the church comprised of jews or gentiles or whoever who believes the cospel of salvation ( 1corinthians15:1-4 ) you must believe in your heart that jesus died for your sins by shedding his blood on the cross of calvary, was buried, and rose again on the third day according to the scripyure to be saved and have everlasting life. jesus christ manifested in the flesh ( 1 tim 3:16) loved you enough to die in your place for your sins. jesus christ had already died shedding his blood for our sins whereas the gospel for salvation john preached to the jews 2000 years ago ( john 3:16) preaching that god gave his son that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. what should they believe when john preached to the jews of israel john 3:16 ? ought they believe that christ was given to them that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,but have everlasting life. this is correct because jesus christ had not been crucified, but the church of the church age will be judged by the gospel of salvation ( 1 cor. 15:1-4) revealed to paul from a revelation from jesus christ for their salvation having everlasting life, whether you be a jew or a gentile. remember god will do the judging, otherwise if you do not trust in the shed blood of jesus christ on the cross of calvary then pay the penalty yourslf and burn in the lake of fire in torment for eternally! that will be your price you will have to pay for not trusting and believing your substitute jesus christ dying, shedding his blood on the cross of calvary .

john 3:16 was preached to the jews of israel. thid is correct because john was preaching to the jews of isreal 2000 years ago and jesus christ had not been crucified yet. these jews at that time demanded signs and wonders. that was the purpose john the baptist said what he preached in john 3:16. he was directing those jews to jesus 2000 years ago to believe and have faith in jesus to have salvation. At that time jesus christ had not died shedding his blood on the cross of calvary for man's sins. just like jesus chose John to be the apostle to teach and preach to the jews of that time 2000 years ago, jesus chose paul whose name was changed to paul to be our apostle of today to teach and preach to jews and gentiles, and the church and whosoever 1 corinthians 15: 1-4 (jessus christ had then died on the cross shedding his blood on the cross of calvary for the remissions of sin. yoy must trust jesus christ as your savior today by faith in shed blood. Jesus Christ manifested in the flesh (1 ti9m 3:16 loved you enough to die in your place for your sins.

Trusting Jesus Today:

Those things you SEEK.

Knowing the WILL of God answers what YOU SEEK.

Matthew 6:10 Thy Kingdom come. Thy WILL BE DONE.

Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ......Christ in you .....

1 John 5:11 This is the record, that God hath GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, and THIS LIFE is his SON (the Holy Ghost).

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you, eternal LIFE) that WORKETH IN YOU (you are his body and he is the LIFE, not you, him) both TO WILL and TO DO his (the LIFE's) good pleasure.

John 14:6 ....I am truth and life ....

Christ himself, in the form of the Holy Ghost, THE SEED of God, is the Life in YOU, causing you HIS BODY to Do his good pleasure.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (truth and life) doth not commit sin, for HIS SEED remaineth in him (you, his body), and he (you, his body) cannot sin, because he (you, his body) is born of God.

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come (it's HERE, Christ in you), thy will be done.

Peace has arrived.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit (Christ's LIFE) in you, and CAUSE you (my body) to walk in my statutes, and to keep my commandments and DO THEM.

Hebrews 4:10 For he (the body of Christ) that has entered into MY REST (God's Kingdom, Christ's Life)) has CEASED from his OWN WORKS .....

God Bless You.

Kathy:

Man doesn't go to a PLACE, heaven of hell.

John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, except he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which now IS IN HEAVEN; IN MAN.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .......Christ in you ....

We are JUST A BODY; THE NEW HEAVEN, where the LIFE of CHRIST dwells.

When he pulls THE LIFE out of the BODY (human flesh) that fleshly bodies dies.

The LIFE goes back to God who gave THE BODY LIFE.

When we depart this fleshly body we instantly are GIVEN a NEW BODY, the BODY of CHRIST.

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The kingdom of heaven is IMMORTAL LIFE.

The only man that has IMMORTAL LIFE is Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:38 ...and to every SEED, HIS (CHRIST) OWN BODY ......

John 14:6 I am Life ....

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high,

Psalms 82:7 But ye (flesh and blood, this earthly body) shall die like one of the princes ...

LIFE can never DIE, only this body of flesh DIES: LIFE continues in a NEW BODY.

God Bless YOU!

Hello Donya. I wasn't sure to what level you wanted to go to for an explanation, hence my brief reply. I suppose your dialogue with that enquiring student has now long ended, but if you're still interested in more material on Sanctification, I would add the following:

As mentioned, 'sanctify' means 'to set apart'; having the same root as 'saint and holy'. For the believer, sanctification is generally seen in three aspects.

a. Positional Sanctification. The believer been set apart by his position in God's family. This is so of every true believer regardless of his spiritual condition because this concerns his spiritual state not his present condition (remember 1 Corinthians 6:11 was read by largely carnal Christians). This sanctification is based on Christ's Death as seen in Hebrews 10:10.

b. Experiential Sanctification. Since we have been set apart, we are to be increasingly set apart from the flesh & world in our daily experience ( 1 Peter 1:14-16). So when 'spiritual growth' is spoken about & expected in believers, it is this progressive & experiential aspect of the sanctifying work that should be our continual aspiration.

c. Future Sanctification. Also referred to as 'completed redemption'. We believe that the redemption we now have in Christ is complete in its work before God & in our lives (in the matter of release of sin's penalty & grip). Likewise, our future redemption or sanctification implies that their full meaning can only be grasped when our 'position & practise' comes into full & perfect accord when we see Jesus, raised to be with Him, & become as He is (1 John 3:1-3; Ephesians 5:26,27; Jude 1:24,25): This is our Redemption/Sanctification completed. Hope this 'extra' will assist you for the future.

It was heartening to read something of your work. Having done some ministry in Pakistan, I can well appreciate the vigilance & discretion required when sharing with folk. May much fruit be borne as the Spirit leads you all.

Every blessing sister.

There's Judgment for sinners and There's chastening for believers.

Ether way I don't wish this on no one!

Hebrews 10:26-31.

That's one reason why we preach the cross Continuously! There's blessings and on the other hand There's consequences therefore we preach repentance.

If there's no damnable consequences why preach?

We've been given an urge to preach God's grace. OUR MESSAGE HAS VIRTUE! IT IS SALVATION!!

It has eternal security for the believer! and it has the ONLY escape from Hell. It brings those out of darkness.

If there is another Gospel out there that don't have repentance, Holiness, no wrath of God and no hell. THEN IT CAN'T HAVE SALVATION. " What are you saved from? And if all go to heaven no matter what. Why do you preach and stand in the way of THE Gospel that we preach? It shouldn't bother you unless we have opposing spirits.

Here's what that heresy looks like .

They treat wrath as if it's reward. This is a errored teaching against the effects of the cross.

It speaks in this manner, "Forget the cross, We needs God's wrath!

Forget Holllyness, do evil so we can be thrown in the lake of fire and be purified.

It says Jesus died in vain!

It says God Love on display when Christ died on the cross was pointless.

They look at John 3:16. and

John 15:13, They don't say thank you Lord, They say it was unnecessary.

There's no preaching forgiveness for sins to those who trust In Christ, It says hell and the punishment reserved for Satan and his Angels is what you need.

Here's a direct quote from one just a few days ago "

.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and Fire.

That's their Goodnews/Gospel.

They say this is from God but they can't take that to their local Church. But they come on the site to attack the truth.

Romans 10:15.

Mark 16:15.

God bless."