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The word creed comes from the Latin credo, "I believe." a set of beliefs of Christianity, and without believing these creeds salvation cannot be obtained. I have been told this in different denominations of churches I have gone to. "You cannot be a Christian unless you believe these creeds". Many Christian bible discussion web sites will not let you on unless you profess these creeds.
My understanding of scripture.
You must believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6
You must believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.,18 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10
You must believe God gave His only Son for us to have eternal life John 3:16
You must believe Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7
You must believe that Jesus is the Christ 1 John 2:22
You must believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3
You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9
You must believe we are saved by Jesus' life Romans 5:10
Being baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16
You must believe we are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:11
You must believe we obtain salvation only in Christ Jesus. John 14:6 2 Acts 4:12 Timothy 2:10
Are there any scriptures saying you must believe in these creeds for salvation?
Are these creeds similar to what the sect of Pharisees tried to do in Acts 15? What did Peter say? Acts 15:7-11
God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33
God bless,
RLW
Scripture for Jesus being one with the Father, & sitting at the right hand of GOD.;
John 17, John 10, Hebrews 1, John 1, Hebrews 12, 1Peter 3:22, Acts 7:55,56, Romans 12:5, Romans 12, Ephesians 4:4,5,6, Ephesians 4, 1Corinthians 10:16,17, 1Corinthians 12:12,13, 1Corinthians 12, 1Timothy 2:5, 1Corinthians 11:3, John 3:15,16, John 16:23,
* John 14,
Hopefully these are helpful
After you're saved, challenge yourself where you want to start reading. Ideally, it would be nice for every born again believer to read the entire Holy Bible from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22; but not all get there. Some had died before finishing the Bible but their Salvation is eternal and they're with the Lord now. You know, when I first got saved...one of the first books I read was the book of Job. Start somewhere and challenge how much you can read and comprehend at one time. I typically read verse by verse slowly to make sure I have a clear understanding. Sometimes I need to read an entire chapter of the Bible twice to make sure I understand completely.
About going to hell (unless I've misunderstood) about going to hell for not reading the whole Bible or the King James Version; that's not true. God would have us to read His entire Word but if a soldier accepts Christ on the battlefield and is critically wounded; they'd die before getting to know more than a single verse. But if that single verse was as of those I listed above; God will welcome him home. Just an example. Try to challenge what you read daily whether it be verses, chapters or an entire book of the Bible. I believe the King James Bible is the only truly inspired Word of God. But if someone is reading the Word of another version; I don't believe they'd go to hell. Although I'll warn that paraphrased Bibles do have a wicked message (The Message Bible); paraphrasing God's Word is sinful. Also careful with what you read from certain books or on the internet. There are more false doctrines on the internet now than there ever has been.
His life
Genesis 2:16,17,
If you look at Genesis 5:1-2, it can change the perspective, to who exactly the name Adam, is referring to. It's similar to referencing "man or mankind, man made" the difference seems to be clarified more when it says "the woman " Genesis 3, if we look however as Genesis 2, being in chronological order, then the woman arrives Genesis 2:18,19,21,22, after. However Genesis 3:1-3, shows she was very aware of the 'law' 2Corinthians 11:3, 1Timothy 2:13-15,
Genesis 2:23, He 1st named her ' woman ' interestingly Jacob also seems to do the same when GOD changed his name to Israel he continues to be referred to as Jacob, also. Genesis 32:28, Genesis 35:10, Genesis 46:2,5,
It doesn't say their children would be a punishment, Genesis 3:16, pregnancy & childbirth is difficult, painful, with distress. Woman also have hormons that magnify crying 'sorrow'. Explaining the curse also. Why, seems to be explained in Gen. 3. Revelation 12:2, John 16:21,
Genesis 3:7, fig leaves, will decompose & provide no warmth, It's a temporary, hasty, bad choice. Genesis 3:21, compassion, provision, love, mercy, knowledge, wisdom & protection, is why GOD made coats of skin for them. Remember they were no longer allowed in the protected environment of the special garden. Genesis 3:23-24, Ephesians 2:4,
"how, did GOD make skins from animals for them & why" It appears to be the 1st animal sacrifice to cover "mans sins".
Romans 5:14, John 3:15,16, 1Corinthians 15:22, 1Corinthians 15:45, 1Chronicles 1:1, Luke 3,
Proverbs 7, Romans 8, Hebrews 10, Matthew 13,
Hopefully these are all helpful
Stay blessed in Jesus Name, love u in Christ Romans 7:1-6 and Chapter 8
God bless u and yours in Jesus Name, love u in Christ Romans 7:1-6 and Romans 8:11
Hopefully you find these helpful in your study
While everyone will stand before the Lord, a believers judgement will be different than the judgement for non-believers. Believers stand before the Bema Seat judgement. This judgement is not to determine whether we go to heaven or hell, but what reward/s we will receive. There will be a separate judgement for non-believers that takes place after the 1,000 year reign of Christ. It is called the Great White Throne judgement. No believer will stand before God at that judgement. So, the judgement for the person who dies in Christ is to determine their reward. At the Great White Throne judgment, not one single person will enter into heaven. Their judgement will be eternal separation from Christ.
Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit .....
Ephesians 4:6 One God, and Father of all, who is above all, and through you all, and IN YOU ALL.
WE do not have LIFE apart from God.
LIFE can't be seen because it is Spirit, and no one has seen God.
John 14:6 .....I am LIFE and TRUTH .....
What is the only thing left when we PUT OFF THIS BODY of flesh.
SPIRIT, which is LIFE.
John 3:6 That which is born of flesh (man) is flesh (man); and that which is born of SPIRIT (GOD) is SPIRIT (God).
GOD is LIFE, FAITH, TRUTH, MERCY, WISDOM, COUNSEL, UNDERSTANDING, ETC.
Luke 16:4 The disciple is not above his master: but everyone that is PERFECT WILL BE AS HIS MASTER.
You are made PERFECT when you depart this body of flesh, because the only thing that is left is LIFE AND TRUTH.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who (the MASTER) ONLY hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto .....
1 Corinthians 15:53 ......this mortal shall PUT ON IMMORTALITY ......
Only Christ has IMMORTALITY, only Christ is LIFE, DWELLING in the LIGHT.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and ALL OF YOU are the children of the most high.
God Bless You!
Those scriptures you quoted should be considered explained if they hold the view that a loving God will not allow a lost sinner to go to heaven. They take away his very being and attributes. Judgement, Nahum 1:3.
They also fail to understand that everyone is not baptized into Christ. And if they're not in Christ they die in Adam and face the second death. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23.
This belief that all will be saved by fire contradicts the preaching of the cross and what may not seem obvious at first glance, but they devalue the love of God denying the display of love presented when we read John 3:16 and Romans 5:8-9.
Perhaps Romans 5:8. is a clearer picture of that love when read with 1 Peter 1:20. "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"
God didn't make man, find out what he would be like, and then send a savior. God saw all that was in man including Putin, Hitler, Abortionist, Racism, ect.. before the foundation of the world. Yet he sent his son to die in our place.
If there is no judgement or penalty for the sinner, then the cross doesn't display that love.
God bless.
It would be very interesting to do a study on the words. Exodus 3:6, Exodus 33:20,23, Numbers 6:25, Deuteronomy 5:1-5, Deuteronomy 31:17,18, Deuteronomy 32:20, Deuteronomy 34:10, Judges 6:22, 1Kings 13:6, 1Chronicles 16:11, 2Chronicles 7:14, 2Chronicles 30:9, Psalms 13:1, Psalms 17:5, Psalms 22:24, Psalms 105:4, Isaiah 54:8, Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 21:10, Ezekiel 20:35,
Perhaps it's the word "man" that the emphasise is. Romans 8:14, Galatians 4:6, Hebrews 12:7, John 1:12, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1,2 , 1John 4:15, How sad it is when a living father says "see his face no more" or turns his face.
Genesis 3:8-10, interestingly, in this translation it says they heard "the voice of the LORD" they "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God"
What's amazing is: Genesis 4:16, it appears even though they were cast out of the garden GOD's presence was still with them.
Psalms 139, Job 4:15,
Hopefully this is helpful
Many forget that the Gospel of the Cross is two-fold: one of propitiation ( 1 John 2:2: to provide a means for atonement & forgiveness by God, as well as to avert God's Anger against the sinner); and one requiring a response ( Romans 10:13,14). If the Gospel fails in both conditions, then there can be no salvation - we are forever lost in our sins. Though I've sought an answer to this several times in the past, without a response, I can only understand that there are some who believe in the first part (of God's Forgiveness), but the second part is almost inconsequential. And why so? For God is All-Loving, All-Forgiving, & all men will eventually be saved (a Universalism teaching). Why then the need for repentance in this life? Why did the apostles hazard their lives, even laying them down for the Gospel, if those enemies of the Cross would be changed & accepted by God in the last day? Where does the Bible ever speak about a 'second-chance salvation'? Why should the believer ever be called upon to live holy separated lives unto God if even the unrepentant will be saved?
And then some consider us as believers in a vengeful angry God. And yet we have the Scriptures: Matthew 7:13; John 3:36; Hebrews 10:31; Hebrews 12:25,29; & many more showing that here is a God Who is to be feared & none can stand guiltless in His Presence. Thank you again for bringing this to light brother - it may be that others will be able to differentiate between the true & false Gospels.
I've heard it said recently that everyone will be refined by fire and make it in Gods heavenly kingdom whether they accepts Christ or not,
Here's what that looks like according to their Doctrine.
1) "An un repented sinner in the likes of Vladimir Putin doesn't needs Christ to enter Heaven".
What's the point of the commandment not to kill?
2) Vladimir Putin is going to have a baby Holy Ghost. REALLY?
I thought Jesus was going to present us as a chased virgin.
That means blameless!!
You can't be blameless without the blood of Christ!!
There's no salvation in this teaching.
All facets of the Bible is purposed to lead to salvation or anticipation of a savior coming or came.
What's the point in being a sacrificial Lamb if ALL die and live again to go to Heaven? By the blood of Christ what did we escape from?
This teaching is an offense to the cross and put the death of Christ to an open shame!
And it diminishes the love of God mentioned in John 3:16. because this teaching presents the crucifixion was useless when saying all will be saved anyway.
Hell fire represents a place of torment, Not refining.
John 14:6.
God bless.
Heaven, facts, or personal beliefs could be quite diverse. The Bible tells us heaven is God's dwelling place, 2 Chronicles 36:15, God's holy temple and throne are in heaven, Psalms 11:4, and the angels are in heaven, Matthew 22:30. The tabernacle Moses was instructed to build was a copy of the one in heaven, Hebrews 8:5.
The Bible tells us no man has ascended up to heaven, John 3:13. The Bible tells us heaven even the heavens are the LORDs and the earth is for the children of men, Psalms 115:16. We are told several times, that heaven along with the earth will be changed and made new, Isaiah 65:17 Isaiah 66:22 2 Peter 3:13 Revelation 21:1, and the new earth is where those whose names are in the book of life will be and God will dwell with us, and we will see His face Revelation 21,22.
If you are thinking, like the question, we hear, are you going to heaven when you die? That is something else. My understanding of scripture is the only way man will see heaven is in a vision like Paul, 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 and John, Revelation.
God bless,
RLW
YOU DIED and CHRIST BECAME the NEW INNER MAN.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN OF GOD doeth not commit sin; for HIS SEED (God's SEED is CHRIST) REMAINETH in him (the one born again), and he (the one born again) CANNOT SIN, because he (died and) is BORN OF GOD.
Believing Jesus came in the flesh and died for our sins, and being BORN AGAIN are two different things.
This comes back to those that said Lord, DID WE NOT, and the Lord said, NO you did't, I DID, depart I never knew you, ye workers of iniquity.
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY ....CHRIST IN YOU ........
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU (because you are dead) both TO WILL (not your will, because you are dead) and TO DO HIS GOOD PLEASURE (not your good pleasure, because you are dead).
GbU
What's the difference, you'll believe what you want to believe. I gave you enough facts to reverse your stance, you are free to think and defend whatever your heart desires. Whatever I say you will disagree with; your mind is made up, the nuance of your tone says it all. I don't buy your take on God destroying His creations, void the 3 evil spirits. God is a loving God that isn't like men; His ways are not our ways. Maybe God will do you like that for thinking you can dictate who is worthy of heaven, and who is not. You didn't catch the scriptures that threaten salvation after the fact, which is not possible, like water being dry. That is the point.
Read at face value, the salvation threats from God make absolutely no sense. You don't think God uses His own propaganda to frighten souls using the premise that the wages of sin are death? 1 John 3:15, and others the like, states that no murderers are in heaven because it is impossible for those in heaven to commit murder by virtue of resurrection. It sounds like you don't want to open the prisons, like the gift is all yours, and that of the chosen (we are all chosen), because you say so, because they are your lessors. Discounting the ability of Christ to blanket humanity with the promise of everlasting life is not yours to propagate. I have offered you a grand vision, you've given me more of this world.
1 John 3:9 doesn't mean what you are implying that a Christian cannot sin. The translation in English is a bit unfortunate here. The Greek text doesn't say "do not commit sin" but says "cannot sinning", present continuous. This means that a born again person cannot stay in sin, cannot live a sinful life NOT that he can't sin. We all sin but have the Blood of Christ to be forgiven. To understand that please read 1 John 1:8-10 and 1 John 2:1-2
GBU
Matthew 7:21-23
You and I and all mankind were born as sinful flesh, not knowing the truth of God.
Christ came, in the flesh, as sinful flesh.
It, SINFUL FLESH, DIED with Christ on HIS CROSS. You and I and all mankind DIED on the cross with Christ.
Three days latter Christ arose with a NEW BODY, we also shared in Christ resurrection, we now are that LIFE.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy IS HE that hath HIS PART in the first resurrection,...
It is no longer, YOU and I as sinful flesh, but that ONE LIFE of Christ in now, US ALSO.
We are just the body, Christ is THE LIFE, therefore everything we do and say and think is actually THE LIFE of Christ causing it. We are being created in the image of Christ.
Christ is also a body, and the LIFE of the Father is HIS (Christ's) LIFE, HIS (Christ's) WORDS, HIS (Christ's works) WORKS.
Christ said, it's not my words but my Father's words, it's not my works but my Father's works, Of MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING.
Christ said, I am the vine, you are the branches, without me (MY LIFE) you can do nothing.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ..... (the LIFE) CHRIST IN YOU .....
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh IN YOU (you died on the cross and became a new creation, you and Christ as ONE) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcomrth and keepeth MY WORKS .....
And they will say in that day, Lord did not WE, and he will say depart for it was not you but ME.
Most believe that have life of themselves, but the word says life is only in the SRIRIT.
We are just the body that does the labour of CHRIST, THE LIFE.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (LIFE and TRUTH) doth not commit sin; for HIS SEED remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Christ's LIFE became your LIFE, and Christ cannot sin.
GBU
Your reply didn't really clarify your view or where it originates from, but I noticed you didn't cite any scriptures in your explanation, like Matt 7:13. Maybe you have an ideal or value you hold higher above the Bible that you aspire to and I wonder where it comes from. You called this deeper in the tunnel, but this metaphor to most Christians would mean deeper study of the truth God's Word, not another ideology to satisfy itching ears. 2 Timothy 4:3.
The Bible is black and white that hell exists and there's a threat of most people going there as it says in John 3:16-18. Jesus lovingly died for our sins to pay the debt if we humble ourselves and follow Him, which includes us turning from our evil ways. This is where satan loves to deceive as he will convince some Christians to cherrypick certain scriptures and throw out others, making their own brew that satisfies their desires.
I'm not sure if you believe in satan or not, if he tricks people like it says in 1 Peter 5:8, Matthew 26:41. But when satan convinces people he doesn't exist or that its fine to sin, because everyone is "saved anyway", then that has his signature all over it. Such ideas are bathed in his deceit which usually starts from a little concession, then another one to build on that, on and on, until someone doesn't believe scripture like John 14:15- that maybe they think they don't have to be obedient whatsoever, despite John 3:16-18
Have you prayed and asked God if your "deeper tunnel" is the truth?
Are you sure about that?
Moses murdered an Egyptian guard, of which he never felt remorse for, nor was he arrested by Pharaoh upon his return to free Israel. Is Moses not going to heaven? Then why is Jesus with Moses in the garden? Why would Jesus associate with murderers?
Did Peter spoil his chance to get into heaven by denying Christ? No, Peter was made the head of the church!!! If you read the gospels with an unbiased mind, you might come to the conclusion that Christ's apostles would all be worthy of death. Jesus picked flawed men over perfect men because flawed men provided us with teachable and learning moments.
Did Judas, prior to hanging himself, absolve himself on earth as he wept, and confessed his sins to God? YES.
Why did Christ say to the thief crucified next to him, who spent a lifetime sinning and harming others, that they would be together in paradise!!! Christ read the thieves heart, and immediately accepted him in heaven. How can our salvation be much different?
1 John 3:15 Has two parts to it: 1) if you hate your brother, you are a murder, and 2) no murderer is in heaven. The second part, there are no murderers in heaven because everyone is RESURRECTED. What seems like a threats are really a future tense, every scripture review reflects that, otherwise, it doesn't make sense. They, in that state of resurrection, can't possibly sin.
At the Great White throne, we all have a chance to confess and make it in. Who will tell God, "no, forget you, I'll go my own way down to hell"? Will God say the demons on earth fooled you, made you to err, now you're gonna pay"? Haven't we paid enough? Does my soul have to pay for never ever asking to be born into this satanically driven world? I don't want to be here, living in sin, but that's what I'm programmed to do. Everyone is worthy of eternal death, but the love of God, and Jesus' sacrifice saves us. Heavens gate to Jesus is narrow, but miles wide for us.
What are we saved from? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, we are saved from "wrath," that is, from God's judgment of sin ( Romans 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9). Our sin has separated us from God, and the consequence of sin is death ( Romans 6:23). Biblical salvation refers to our deliverance from the consequence of sin and therefore involves the removal of sin.
Who does the saving? Only God can remove sin and deliver us from sin's penalty ( 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5).
How does God save? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, God has rescued us through Christ ( John 3:17). Specifically, it was Jesus' death on the cross and subsequent resurrection that achieved our salvation ( Romans 5:10; Ephesians 1:7). Scripture is clear that salvation is the gracious, undeserved gift of God ( Ephesians 2:5, 8) and is only available through faith in Jesus Christ ( Acts 4:12).
Romans 6:3, Mark 10:38,
Acts 8:12-17, Acts 11:16, Acts 19:1-5, Acts 2:38,
We see this in Matthew 17:1-9 Mark 9:2-10 and Luke 9:28-36, some may believe Moses and Elijah were in heaven and came and appeared, Jesus took Peter, James, and John up to the mountain, He was transfigured before them and Moses and Elijah appeared talking to Jesus.
If we take note of what Matthew writes, "And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead"
It was a vision and a confirmation from God to these three that Jesus is the Son of God and the Law and Prophets will be fulfilled with the death and resurrection of Jesus. Mark 9:10 another place that shows things were hidden from the apostles until the Holy Spirit brought remembrance to them of what things Jesus had told them, John 14:26.
One other thing, Jesus is the Firstfruits of them that slept, 1 Corinthians 15:20. Jesus was the first to be raised from death Acts 2:24. No one has ascended to heaven, John 3:13 and no one will overcome death until Jesus returns on the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30.
In my understanding of scripture to us today, Moses and Elijah are awaiting the resurrection, with no knowledge or time in death, to them, it has already come.
God bless,
RLW
Ephesians 1:13 tell us,
"In whom (Christ) ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise."
We are sealed by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon the moment of belief; and we do not need to seek for any further proof of our salvation, such as the "speaking in tongues." We need no greater assurance than is found in God's Word. John 3:16 promises that if we believe in Jesus Christ we have, right now! eternal life.
The Holy Spirit will never give anyone the gift of tongues now. They are not for today. 1 Corinthians 13:8 tells us
"whether there be tongues, they shall cease:..."
"Cease" is the Greek verb "pauo." It means to cease or stop completely. It is used in the perfect tense. This means that when tongues do cease, the action of ceasing will never be interrupted, but will continue forever. In plain words, once tongues cease they will never be reactivated at anytime in the future. It is also in the middle voice, denoting emphasis. The most emphatic statement in this verse is "TONGUES SHALL CEASE".
1 Corinthians 13:10 tells us when tongues will cease.
"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."
The key word in this verse is "perfect." Some say it is referring to Christ's coming.
"Perfect" is the Greek word "teleion" and means "full grown and mature, complete." It refers to the end of a process or development. The Second Coming of Christ is not a process, but an instantaneous event. "Perfect" is never used in the New Testament for the Second Coming of Christ, the Millennium, or Eternal State.
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