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Thanks for replying Rick. Stay with it - read the Scriptures (the Old & New Testaments) with this in mind: God's Love knows no bounds as He is just that, a loving God as well as a Just God dealing with us as sinners. He made the provision for every person to come to know Him, even those who've never heard of Him but look to that One, someone greater & more 'merciful' than their idols, coming in faith & expectancy that their redemption must come from above.

Would a perfect lamb sufficed as a Sacrifice? Maybe it would as it would have been God-provided & God-accepted to make full atonement. But then again, how deep & unfathomable is the Father's Love, that by not only providing a Sacrifice that we could not provide, but that He gave of that one Sacrifice that could never be transcended in any possible way: Himself. This alone gives us much weight of assurance & great joy when we read in 1 John 3:16: "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren." And, John 15:13: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Do I see Jesus in the OT? Maybe not His Name, but certainly the Promise & expectancy of His Coming at the appointed time to give both Jew & Gentile salvation that none can separate or rob us of ( Romans 8:38,39). Praise Him often for His mercies He has showered upon you, giving you life & hope that so many spurn, rejecting His Offer of eternal life.

Hi Jim,

Do you believe Jesus is Lord and died for you for the hope of salvation?

John 5:22-24 these verses might be interesting to read.

You said that John 1:1 doesn't say Jesus is God, but it does. I broke it down before, but it seems we are not on the same wavelength.

There are many verses saying Jesus is God in various ways, but no where in the Bible anywhere does it say Jesus is not God. Not only that but Jesus never once said He was not God. So, it seems unusual to arrive at such a conclusion with no evidence for it and with all the evidence for the opposite.

Have you carefully read the whole chapter of John 1?

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Since you don't think the Word is Jesus, who else do you think the Word is?

Who else do you think fits that description of being sent to earth in the flesh, to live among us, and to die on the cross for our sins?

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 3:28 John said "I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him."

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

That clear sign along with the voice made it obvious that Jesus was He.

John 1:29 John acknowledges it is Jesus: Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:36 "And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"

Do you believe Jesus is the Lamb of God as it says?

The next chapter Matt 4:7 Jesus is tempted and says to satan: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." There again Jesus refers to Himself as Lord and God. Do you agree?

Do you believe these scriptures?

Hi Donna

I would read it for what it says.

God gave his son.

Maybe we need to rethink our understanding of Jesus and God.

John 3:17

Remember all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hi Donna,

I don't believe we can just replace the word God for Jesus. I believe that uses of God in the Bible sometimes implies the trinity, but other times is used solely for God the father. I believe this is one of the common sources of confusion. Also, Jesus is Lord, and the use of the word Lord of the Old Testament sometimes seems to include God the father. I'm interested in anyone else's opinions on this. So, the three are one, the same, but also different. While this is hard for us simple humans to understand how much the same they are and how much different they are, it says it in the Bible and we must choose whether we want to trust and believe what it says.

About the word begotten in John 3:16:

I'd like to borrow from a Got Questions answer on this as I find them scripturally based most of the time. They say the original Greek word 'begotten' or (monogenes) has 2 meanings:

1. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." Hebrews 11:17 like Abraham's son.

2. The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." See John 3:16, John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9.

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Beware of anyone distorting the word to assume it means Jesus was 'created' later. This is not what it means. Scripture already debunks that in John 1:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6 (Jesus made all things), John 1:1 (Jesus was there in the beginning), John 5:18 (equal with His father), Jesus is the John 8:58, "I AM", Exodus 3:14, Revelation 1:8

God bless...

John 3:16

For God [Jesus] so loved the world he gave his only begotten son So that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

What am I supposed to do with that?

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. Jesus is all human and all God. Satan is a created being. He has no authority as a result from Jesus dying on the cross for The World.

{Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first.

Hello Joseph. That is a great verse couplet ( Mark 12:29,30), which needed no explanation from Jesus, as every Jew had that those words indelibly etched in their minds. This is what they refer to as the "Shema", which means 'Hear' in Hebrew. What Jesus did add, was verse 31, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." And to this declaration, the Scribe/Lawyer clearly affirmed Jesus' Words, to which Jesus perceived that the man was "not far from the kingdom of God". Muslims also have a common declaration which is always repeated, known as the Shahada, but it doesn't bear repeating here because of its content.

However, I don't believe that Jesus was inferring the Trinity, or His Deity, by quoting the Shema. Jesus somewhat veiled this aspect of His Divinity, though never denying any outburst from the religious leaders for His 'blasphemous claims' (e.g. Matthew 26:59-65; John 10:30-38). I think that when certain spiritual eyes were opened, they were able to know from the Words of Jesus & the demonstration of His Life & Works, that this was no ordinary Man, however blessed He might be from God. This was One they had never encountered before: might they be standing before, seeing & listening to God Himself, now come to them in human form to bring light & hope to their darkened souls? When we read the Gospels, we see clearly this conflict amongst many who came before Him; many hated Him & wanted to dispose of Him - others realized the Messiah of God had come for their sakes & they'd better pay attention to Him.

And even though the word 'trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Scriptures, all the references to that point to Jesus' presence with God & part of the Godhead ( John 3:13; John 6:38; Colossians 2:9; John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Colossians 1:15-17; & many more), give us undeniable proof of Him & His Words. Only the Christ from God could fully pay the price for our sins, securing our redemption.

GiGi...

what I meant by that is that God put a baby inside Mary...Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of our Father God...so yes he got his son that way..I didn't mean he literally came down and impregnated her psychically..it was through the Holy Ghost...but Jesus is father Gods son literally..he has the same power of God "becouse" he is his son..sorry to confuse you with how I worded my last post...Jesus is the son of God..everyone knows that of course...and we shouldn't say he dosen't have power as God the father has power becouse he dose...thats why we end our Prayers with "In Jesus Name" ..and why it says in Acts 2:38 to Baptize in the name of Jesus Christ ..and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost...being filled with the Holy Ghost is very important...we will speak in tongues when we get filled with the Holy Ghost..anyone who experiences this gift from God knows what I mean...

also John 3: says

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

this is how important being filled with the Holy Ghost is....Thank you for your comment and reply..have a good day GiGi..

Catherine.

I wish everyone look through 20-40 pages of Past Room History and count how many comments were about: Sabbath, Water Baptism or dates of Jesus's birth or death;

There are a lot of end time events happening today. They coincide with events in Daniel, some minor prophets, what Jesus, Peter, Paul, John the Beloved spoke of.

Israel is barely 10 miles wide. Joggers can run it forward and back every day; if not for tunnels, drones, snipers, etc. Things the Jews dig up almost every day. Do we pray for their wonder and excitement to find that maybe Jesus is/was their Messiah? The Palestinians are searching for the Mahdi to be revealed? They hemorrhage on YouTube every day, which group is going to fight another group and then March on Israel.

These are (wars and rumors of wars). We'd do well to keep an ear to the ground. Tracking earthquakes, disasters, financial shifting, are other SIGNS.

We are admonished to watch and pray, be looking up; be ready (10 virgins) AND TO SPOT THE SIGN: the Temple Built, and a world leader sitting on the Throne of David.THE ABOMINATION of DESOLATION.

Take Syria. Word says they will be totally destroyed to the ground. China and Russia may use the restored Silk Road for trade, ship oil or troops.

There are so many other inspiring stories in the Bible. Like when Nehemiah rebuilt the walls. Those things parallel to Intercessory Prayer; watch towers; spiritual warfare. I always try to make sure I keep my eye on Jesus who is interceding for the Saints. Do we truly Love Him well?

Feed My Sheep. John 21:14-22

Jesus is asking all of us that same question.

I say this with great humility and soberness: Jesus says, feed my sheep; carry my lambs in you arms of prayers. Lift up the fallen. The body of Christ is separated from the Head. Let's get connected. Anything we do for self__is FLESH.

If I offended anyone, I'm not going to stroke any egos (including mine). Lift up Jesus.

JOHN 12:32

JOHN 3:14

TTYL

You people,jewish, trying to place jesus as your trophy, john 3:16 says that whosoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life,god gave his son to the world for our sins,not just you all,he didn't come as a jewish jesus,if he did talk of isreal it was his father's desire,in the first place,jesus was a spirit in heaven with his father, nothing jewish about him,unto god he returned a glorious spirit,not a jew, y'all trying to think he was a mere man,of a jew and he is not,this is a lie from hell satan,then you try to say we need a hebrew bible ,kjv in error,it must not be, because the signs of the times sure is coming to past,the jewish voice,please, it's jesus voice,you think we're gonna worship you, because you all was once a great people,yet some of you didn't believe in him and still don't,look at you all now,how you're doing now, i'm african and jesus died for me,

Alex,

Yes, I agree with you John baptized with water. But, Jesus continued this baptism, he added to it - and commanded us to be baptized with water and he promised to add the Holy Spirt. So it's with water and Spirit! This is totally in line with his words in John 3:5

Acts 2:38

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." This is how we receive the Holy Spirit!

So then at this point our sins are forgiven.

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

It is impossible to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ without teaching the absolute necessity of baptism. Here is Apostle Paul:

Romans 6:3-4

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?"

"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

1 Peter 3:21

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

We can't ignore all of this scripture:

Acts 2:37

"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts 2:38

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Anyone who responds to the question in Acts 2:37 with an answer that contradicts Acts 2:38 is not in line with the gospel of Jesus Christ!

All of this scripture above was written after Jesus Christs resurrection. It was Jesus/God's command for us! GB you Alex.

Genesis 1:26-27, Genesis 2:15,18,22,23, Genesis 3:20, Genesis 5:1-2, interesting it appears by this GOD called them Adam, it was man that named her "Woman & Eve"

Hopefully this is helpful

Through the Adam Genesis 4:25-26, Genesis 5:1-32, comes the line of the living, physically & Spiritualy, Matthew 1:1-16, Luke 3:23-38, John 1:1-5, John 3:15-16, Mark 12:27,

I'd like to comment on John 3:19. I've always been fascinated or, should I say curious, very curious about why people don't accept the message of the Gospels, namely, Jesus Christ. I mean before God opened my eyes (heart) to the truth of the Gospels, I was as big a sinner as the next man. But, knowing the truth, God's truth......I can see more clearly the cause of mankind's woe. It's of course the rejection of Christ Jesus. The answer I have found is of course in John 3:19. But, even though rejecting Jesus is a choice.....I feel it's also a matter of being deceived by the adversary of our souls. He whispers : it's all foolishness, they're all hypocrites, it's all about rules and regulations, think of all you'll have to give up. On and on. They/we believe the lies. I also see why God is going to judge people so harshly. To reject the sacrifice of His only Son, His most precious possession is truly....well I don't know what to say or how to describe such a thing. I'd like to finish this by saying, I'm so grateful for the Holy Spirit. What a gift. I'm also grateful for the act of reconciliation. If the unsaved would only know that they do not have to be perfect. That they have the gift of reconciliation to get right with God. That's all it would take, just a conversation with the lover of our souls. I hope I haven't taken up to much space.

Bro Alex,

Jesus in plain language told his disciples:

Matthew 28:19

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Do you not believe this verse? Yes or No?

After Christs crucifixion: Peter tells us (everyone) how we receive the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Do you believe this verse? Yes or No?

You mention John 3:37 This is Jesus telling us to drink from his spirit, yes he promises to give us his Holy Spirit, going on - In John 3:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." This confirms that we will receive the Holy Spirit when we believe in Him, repent, be baptized as "all of the scripture" states. We need to read, understand and believe in "all of the scripture" not just "cherry pick" single verses like this - that may meet "your own unique vision" of salvation.

You continually mention the need for us to become like children to enter into heaven. I agree, we need to become like children as commanded by Jesus: Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The way we become like children - is to become - "like children" - humble, obedient, and submissive to Christs instructions, and commands, as Jesus/God emphasizes throughout the Old, and New Testaments in the bible. The downfall of the Jews and Christians yesterday and today - is the sinful and continual rebellious attitude to obedience toward Gods commands!

Read and believe!

Yes David i was where you are not too long ago! I know I don't deserve Gods mercy or grace. It's a gift. 100%.

I thought I had surely crossed over Gods mercy line! The enemy had almost convinced me that God wanted nothing more to do with me. But he's a liar. I even agreed with the devil. Because I KNEW that I was living a sinful lifestyle. Lukewarm.

God begin to convict me one day and show me scripture like "if you love me you'll keep my Commandments." I kept saying I loved him but I wasn't keeping any of his commandments!

Let God be true and every man a liar& without holiness no man shall see God. Many scriptures The Holy Spirit began to bring to mind and open up my understanding. I knew I had to get myself right with God I knew I was living in sin and I know that even though God is loving & merciful He was not going to wink at my willful sin. I was without excuse. The devil hides the fact that we're still gonna reap what we sow even though God forgives us. The 10 Commandments began to convict me. God allowed me to see myself in the mirror of his word. I was breaking all of the Commandments And calling myself a Christian all the while. I began to desire to get free from things I knew were not right. For example, cigarettes. I knew I couldn't witness and talk to people about God with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth. Some will disagree but I was very convicted about it. I Had to have deliverance and the Lord did it. I laid down what I could and He did the rest.

Turn again to Him with your WHoLE heart. Don't let anybody deceive you and tell you that you can live like the world and still be right with God. Friendship with the world is enmity with God.

I'm working out my own salvation with fear and trembling. I didn't give up on Jesus, to whom would I go? God truly won't leave us or for sake us I see that now.

Bro Alex,

Thanks for your response. Respectfully, you are ignoring these simple verses spoken by Jesus:

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Jesus tells us plainly that "we must be born of water" and "of the Spirit". If not, we CAN NOT enter into the Kingdom of God!

God came down to earth to be born as a person in Jesus, so that he could not only tell us what he expects us to do, but he came to be an example. Jesus didn't need to be baptized, but he did, why, TO SHOW US!

Matthew 3:16-17

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus personally showed us in this scripture above that when we believe, repent, and get baptized, we do receive his Holy Spirit. Jesus probably foresaw that there would be future times that people would question his commands - just like some today that are questioning water baptism. Well, he gives us his "perfect example" of what he wants and commands us to do! Christians can't ignore the above scripture!

Bro Alex, are you also going to ignore this scripture Jesus instructing his apostles below:

Matthew 28:19-20

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus says above in addition to baptizing; "observe all things whatsoever I have commanded of you". Jesus tells us that if we follow him - he will be with us always - until the end of the world!

Alex, I'm not instructing you to do these things - Jesus is instructing you - Read and Believe!

Thank you David for sharing this from your heart. Many of us have slipped away from the Lord at some time & entertained sin, sometimes gross sin, in our lives. We have learned the Truth from the Bible as young ones but Satan has enticed us to serve our flesh, our lusts, which he made more appealing than being devoted to the Lord Who loves us & bought us. I was one of those.

David, the fact that you're here expressing anxiousness at this particular time, indicates that God, the Holy Spirit, is working in your heart. Because that's how it begins - we're not like a light switch that can be turned on or off to bring an instant result. Satan has done a lot of damage in our lives & our minds, & when the Lord restarts His Work in us, He takes us through many processes, sometimes challenges & discomfort, to bring us to a certain point. I think, this is where you're at: you know perfectly well what the Gospel means & its implications; you know the Love & Power of God through His Son for you, both then & now; & you know that all is certainly not well with your soul as you stand shaking before Him, the One with Whom you will have to give an account to.

This process probably began sometime ago, unbeknowns to you. But you're sensing it now as fear, perplexity & turmoil are filling your heart & mind. Unless you sense something has gone horribly wrong with your life, that sin has clearly separated you from God, & you're now brought to a point where something needs to be done about it, the Spirit will not take you further. I see that He is making the Gospel penetrate you once again - you've tried the other life, now you're tired & convicted of it.

You know David, you CAN be sure of being saved, of having eternal life, of pleasing God. All it takes is to humble yourself completely before Him on your knees, admit your life of sin, confess it all before Him, receive His Salvation, & praise Him for His Gift. The Spirit will drive you to deep sorrow & turn it to joy ( 1 John 1:9).

My view on John 3:5.

Here's another highly used verse when

when there's a debate is water baptism required for salvation.

I'll share 3 views briefly and go over the one I held but recently heard brother Jesse view on this verse. And it resonates!!

Here's one that is in error that is commonly used by these who say you have to be baptized by water to be saved.

"The water mentioned in this verse is water baptism."

The interpretation brother Jesse gave earlier in this tread, I want go over that one. I'll leave it for some to research.

The other is the water mentioned in the verse is the word of God.

1 Peter 1:23. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Amen and

God bless.

I received Jesus as my personal savior as a young boy of 12 years old. But I've back slid and now I'm not sure if I am going to be with Him in heaven. I still believe that He's the Son of God and that he died for my sins and arose from the grave and is with God in heaven and will someday return and take all that's name that is in the book of life back with him to heaven.

By the way, those who claim baptism doesn't mean water, but only spirit can read this which indicates both. John 3:5 I would say the way this verse is written "Unless..." [action] "...he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." it sounds kind of important. I don't know how anyone can read this and come to the conclusion that what Jesus said isn't important. And when Jesus keeps talking about baptism and water I think it's pretty clear what He's talking about. But while people may continue dismissing Jesus's words for whatever reason, most of us in our hearts knows what Jesus means. God bless. Mark 16:16

April,

In John 3:5, Jesus told Nicodemus that except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That might be the verse your church is referring to. It looks like they are telling you that the "born of water" represents the water bag that breaks right before a woman gives birth. So the water would represent physical birth and the spirit would represent spiritual birth. That I believe is incorrect.

Some believe that "born of water" means Christian water baptism. That also is incorrect because Christian baptism was not known then. John's baptism was not Christian baptism. It was a baptism of repentance for the Jewish people.

Nicodemus knew what Jesus meant by "born of water." He knew about John's baptism and that it was a baptism of repentance. It was a requirement by God that a Jewish person would declare God right by submitting to John's baptism because he said, as I said just earlier, that John was sent to prepare the way of Messiah.

In John Chapter 1, the apostle John sets this theme by saying that John the Baptist said I baptize with water but there is one that is coming after me that baptizes with the Spirit. There you have the two ministries, water and spirit!

As far as water baptism being required for salvation, there is no requirement. The only requirement for salvation is to receive Christ and be baptized by His Spirit.

Now, I am not saying that you should not be water baptized. Christian baptism comes after salvation, not as a requirement for salvation. It is a means of identification. You are making a public testimony that you have died to your old nature, been buried with Christ, and rose with Christ as a new creation in Christ Jesus.

I would have to disagree with what your church told you. If you wish to be baptized and they won't do it, find a church that will.

Hello,

I may suggest reading Acts 2:38. Notice it says 'every one of you'. It doesn't say just 'some of you' or 'only if your mom or other family hasn't been baptized'. So, when I read the Bible and trust that its words are true, I am also believing in faith that when it says 'every one of you' that it means 'every one of you', including you and me. Jesus made baptism a big deal, so I think the least I can do if I'm serious about following Him is to obey and be baptized. Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Matthew 28:19

Perhaps another question is: are you a Christian? And if so why wouldn't you want to be baptized like Jesus said?

You might also check out the verses on this page: Link

God bless...

"Just a beginner at age 49"

I think of Jesus saying " you must be born again" John 3:5-8, 1 Peter 1:21-23,

Recently I realized for some of us, we had to learn to talk, walk, dress & behave differently. For me, I'm glad it was put into the "born again " perspective because it takes time & as we learn to be that "New" creation, 2 Corinthians 5:17, there is patience as with a newborn babe, maybe that's why we're referred to as children 1 John 3:1-7, keep reading.

Hopefully these are encouraging, insightful & useful.

1 peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Written to scattered Israelites..........where is the undeniable biblical proof that the new covenant is for non-Israelites?

Who are the Israelites? What is an Israelite? Are the tea brews correct when they say that the Israelites are a particular ethnic group and the gospel and salvation is only for God's people, the ethnic Israelites?

'World' in the bible is an ambiguous word. According to particular verses; the tongue is a world, there are worlds, the end of the world has already happened. 'Gentiles' is also an ambiguous word because scattered Israelites are called Gentiles when they are idolatrous.

I have found a few verses that seem to suggest that God Loves non-Israelites. Nineveh repented. Is there biblical proof that Nineveh were not scattered ethnic Israelites? Did Nineveh happen before Israel's offspring?

I know that salvation is spiritual through belief and not flesh but not all Israel is Israel. That could mean that only Israelites can receive a spiritual rebirth.

Does salvation only apply to ethnic Israelites?

I'm collecting verses that debunk the doctrine that only ethnic Israelites can be children of God. There are multiple verses that say that God Loves Israel. I'm obviously looking for verses that say that God Loves people who aren't ethnic Israelites. John 3:16 uses the ambiguous word 'world'....'world' could mean Israel, it's not clear. 'Whosoever' could be talking about the Israelites. The scriptures were written by Israelites to Israelites, so 'whosoever' may only apply to Israelites.

'All men' is also ambiguous because of the verse that says: you will be hated by 'all men' for my name's sake.

Israelites were scattered into 'all' nations..the 12 tribes and 12 gates...

The tea brews make some strong arguments that the bible is only for Israelites. Who are the Israelites?

Dear TD He dont ment u, or me, we have a great responsibility since He has given us His Good Gifts. If you are saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit, He will not condemn you. He wants you to confess your sins and come to Him. You have gone from death too life in Christ.

But people who do not want to know the Lord are not forced into a fellowship with Him. We have our free will. To a certain extent.

But if He has predetermined that you have a great calling as Blessed Paul, He will do what He has predetermined. Nothing can change His Will on that point. God does what He wants.

Who among us will leave the only One who has been really good to us? Not me anyway!

Be grounded in the Word of God and acknowledge your sins.

Come to the Lord and have peace. It is the Holy Spirit who speaks to the people! Jesus Christ.

He did not first give you anointing and then take it away again. In that state you can do nothing, Jesus stands in your way and saves you, always becouse We want too do His will. It's in our hearts like it was in Jesus heart. He Loves us.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Be richly blessed in the Word of God and be multiplied according to His Will. Happy New Year to u and yours!

Dear "Lex", please understand that Gud is a forgiven God. And it is only one person who never will be forgiven. And that is who destroys and seduces the peoples, antichrist. ps.

Luke 12:10

And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Matthew 12:31

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mark 11:26

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

And: Luke 17:4

And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Luke 6:37

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Its best to not judget at all becouse the God Himself is the only one who can Judge. It is for u important that u find your way in the scripture and hear what the Holy Ghost says.

He Never will take away a gift He have given. The gift is always flowing, like living water in your heart, our sin in the saved state. We shall confess our sins and be forgiven them? Thats why we never want too give The Holy Spirit sorrow!

He is not a Lord who gives and take back, u are His forever. So please dont turn back. But meet Him in your grief and judgmental thoughts. Come forth boldly with your transgressions and He and you will forgive the sin you have attached yourself to.

Come back to the calling He has called you to: And be blessed in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ. Have a realy good new year growing with the Only True and Righteous God Jesus Christ the Son of God and His Holy Spirit who understands all things in our hearts.

1 John 3:20

For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21:Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, :)

Larry,

If a man keeps sinning after being saved, that man needs to take inventory and ask himself if he's truly saved. A person who is saved has the Spirit of Christ living inside them and they are no longer living under the sin principle. However, a saved person can and will commit single acts of sin, but that person can no longer sin habitually because the Spirit that now lives in them prevents that from happening.

We are told in 1 John 3:9, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

This verse makes it sound like a saved person does not sin. But here's what it literally says when taken from the Greek text: Whosoever has been born of God does not practice sin; for God's seed remains, or abides in him: and he cannot sin, that is, he does not have the capacity to sin because he has been born of God.

You see, once I'm born of the Spirit of God, I do not have the capacity to continue to satisfy a lifestyle of sin. It is impossible! Why? It's because God's Spirit in me keeps me from sinning continually and habitually. That's one way to test if I am truly saved or not. If I go out and keep sinning habitually and the Lord does not deal with me, I'm probably not saved at all. If I step out of line and there's no conviction in my heart, do I really have God's Spirit living in me? Probably not!

As far as paying for our sin, Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sin. There is nothing man can do to pay the penalty for his own sin.

The Bible does not teach eternal conscious torment. The consistent testimony of scripture is that "the wages of sin is death," and not eternal life. Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17; Ezekiel 18:30-32; 1 John 5:12. It was the devil who first taught that one could sin and still have eternal life. Genesis 3:4. Jesus came to save us from perishing, and to give us eternal life, not to save us from living forever. John 3:16.

Hellfire is something that takes place at the end of this world, and not at death. John 5:28,29; Matthew 13:40. In it, soul and body are completely destroyed. Matthew 10:28; 2 Thess 1:9. It will consume the wicked into ashes. Revelation 20:9; Malachi 4:1-3; Psalm 37:20. Even the devil will be consumed to ashes. Ezekiel 28:18,19; Isaiah 47:14.

In the new earth, when all sin has been eradicated, there will be no more suffering or pain or death. Revelation 21:4.

Dear all, Very soon Christmas and New Year will come. A time for reflection and gratitude.

Here on the web site we still talking about things that happened 2000 years ago: D. Do not get me wrong, many want clarity.

But I want to emphasize that the best thing all of us can do is: Get your own understanding of who God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are and read KJV yourself. He is the best teacher. He is the best teacher. Although many have wisdom, we can only encourage one another to walk the path. Then we can hope that we have found the right path. For the road is narrow. We are not adults before we are with the Lord any of us.

Am so glad for u all here, ill miss Englich Sacha and Earl Bowman, ill hope they are well and soon come back too the web. We are all branches on His tree. Never forget that, you! We dont need too think about yesterday. But i do not deliver the word ill get so it comes here: John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

24 For John was not yet cast into prison.

25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.

26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.

29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

30He must increase, but I must decrease.

And the too the end of the chapter. God bless and merry Christmas too your all.

Beware of anyone in this thread trying to minimize the importance of baptism or try to make it mean something other than what the Bible says. Motives are in question. Verses like this are very clear to understand: John 3:5

This site has a page about it with many verses: Link

God bless...