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Thanks for your response. I find baptism so easy to understand and I will break down this scripture the way I understand it.
John 3:3-7
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus is talking specifically about being "born again" This is our 2nd birth.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Nicodemus is confused, he does not understand "born again".
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jesus confirms to be "born again" we must be "born of water and Spirit". He emphasizes "born of water and the spirit". "If Jesus was referring to the fetus (water bag) or anything with our original birth - he would not have included the word "water" as we all were born as a fetus in our original birth, and the "water" would be a moot point!
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus showed us by being baptized himself what born again looks like and the meaning of "Spirit is spirit" as upon being baptized the Holy Spirit came down from heaven and landed on Jesus for "all to see". Very powerful and a perfect example for us to follow!
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Born again, easy to understand! Something so easy for christians to follow, I just don't understand the reluctance.
God Bless.
I agree that quarrelling should be avoided and its best to avoid any "I'm right/you're wrong" discussions, however, there is only one truth. If something is publicly posted that is not truth and might lead someone else to stumble there is an obligation for believers to gently share the truth, in attempt to reverse the damage done.
So, you wrote: "its not a requirement for spiritual baptism."
But Jesus said: " John 3:5, Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
"water and of the Spirit"
Not just Spirit.
"cannot enter into the kingdom of God"
And God's Word in Acts 2:38 says: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
"be baptized"
But who, surely not me?
"every one of you"
But there's more scripture: Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 8:36-39 - And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
So, if I'm honest with myself, even if I didn't want to be baptized or was taught it wasn't necessary, or was embarrassed, or had any other reasons for not wanting to obey, it would be a very tough sell to read all these verses saying to be baptized and instead claim that we should NOT be baptized.
I've heard this (fetus) false teaching of bible scripture previously.
In John 3:5 Jesus is referring to being Born Again! He is not referring to our original birth, but our "second birth" in Christ! If we are to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven we must be "Born Again." Water and Spirit is certainly referring to baptism and being "Born Again".
If it was as you say:" being born of water is regards to human birth of the fetus in water"
Jesus would only have had to say you must be born of the Spirit. Because all mankind was born as a fetus. But Jesus specifically instructs us to be baptized. Jesus undertook baptism to show us what he really meant! He instructed the apostles to perform baptism. To disregard baptism is to disregard much bible scripture, and ignore Jesus.
There are many false teachings being spread around out there, and the one that you don't need to be baptized is in the top of the list.
Read your bible and believe.
Acts 2:38 the word for baptized everyone of you and ye shall receive Holy Ghost, the word baptized means to
or set apart also it is either external or internal. When a person is born again it is internal spiritually it is by
Gods Gift Holy Spirit internal it is in us. Now the translators used the same word alo for water that's why I said depending
on context external or internal. In John 3:16 both are used first one I'm baptising you external for consecration or
preparation, second one Jesus Christ shall future baptise with pneuma Hagion or holy spirit which will burn up
the chaff because its internal. So in Regards to spiritual baptism I'll let you decide what the Word of God says.
Then You have Ephesians 4:4 remember Jesus Christ gave Paul how and what and where and when and to whom
concerning His Church the Body of Christ in the Age of Grace. Make up your own mind on It Is Written when
all scripture concerning subject matter are considered and understood. P.S. I didn't cover all of them due to
tht' a lot too cover.
fetus in water which has nothing to do with water baptism. This i just explaining the context not to argue.
My interpretation of Acts 1:5 is that John only prepared the way for Jesus's ministry, so once Jesus came I believe baptism had a greater significance. So, my interpretation is before Jesus: water only. After Jesus: water + Holy Spirit.
"but its not a requirement for spiritual baptism, I was born again many year ago and was never water baptised."
When I read John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 I know exactly what it says and feel if it wasn't important it would not have been said. I think if baptism wasn't a necessary or important step of obedience, then Jesus wouldn't have baptized people and He clearly would have said to not get baptized. But He clearly said to get baptized. I don't think satan is deceiving me into believing I need to be MORE obedient to Jesus than I truly need to be, but the opposite would seem more likely.
Given that its a commandment from Jesus, it seems like an easy decision to me. And lets say you're right and I'm wrong, then there's no downside to getting baptized and honoring Jesus, is there? But if my interpretation of John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 is right and yours is wrong then you have an enormous downside to deliberately disobeying Jesus, do you not?
God bless...
Here is Jesus's command to His followers: John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
So, the real question is: if someone claims to be a Jesus follower (a Christian), but doesn't follow what Jesus says, how serious are they about following Jesus? And do they really love Jesus? John 14:15.
Would a genuine Christ follower always be looking to do the bare minimum they assume is required to "be saved" -or- give everything in their life to Christ, perhaps beyond what they assume is required?
Matthew 7:22 - this seems to be an unpopular reality for some believers who are uncomfortable with Jesus's words that many will assume they're "saved" but will not be. Given this scenario already predicted by Jesus, and given that someone desires to go to heaven, is it safer to obey Jesus or look for ways to disobey Him?
God bless...
There is no place in the bible that tells us that we don't have to be baptized, conversely, there is much scripture that tells us that we do need to be baptized.
In addition to believing in Jesus to be saved, we are told by Jesus to be baptized.
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Except we be born of water and the Spirit (Holy Spirit) we can not enter into the kingdom of God! This is a very powerful and easy to understand message.
Apostle Peter also confirms baptism below, so we must repent, be baptized, and we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
In summary, the bible scripture clearly states what we must do regarding regarding baptism. If anyone says different, they are lying, and telling you to ignore this and other powerful scripture!
God Bless.
I'd like to first address that if you lost a pet you loved. I'm sorry for your sadness. GOD has compassion Psalms 145:8-9, Matthew 10:29,
The scriptures do not say "all dogs go to heaven" however there are hints of some creatures.
Isaiah 65:25, Mark 16:15,
It says all beast shall give account of mans blood Genesis 9:5,6,
GOD cares so much for us that HE gave us HIS Son for our Salvation John 3:15-16, knowledge of this helps us trust HIM with everything for HE made it all, All of creation John 1:1, 1 John 4:18,
Hopefully these are helpful
John 17, whole chapter, note vrs. 20 & 21, John 3:15-16,
Prophecy & prophecy fulfilled
Isaiah 46:13, Jeremiah 3:23, Genesis 49:18, Luke 2, Luke 3:4-6, Isaiah 53, Luke 23, Psalms 22, Psalms 118:19-22,
We are grafted in: Romans 11, whole chapter,
Hopefully these are helpful, there are many more scriptures. Let me know if you would like more.
Hebrews 9:27-28,
Jude 1:1-25,
1 John 1:8-10
John 3:15-16,
Hopefully these are helpful. There are many more scriptures on this subject. If you would like more, let me know. Just reply back.
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
* Romans 1:20
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:27-30
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE."
Genesis 1:1
The Father purposes
The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)
The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.
All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]
{Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.
[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]
Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to us. Teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first. Learn fully who the Son of Man is (Jesus).
Your friend might get a better picture of what is coming to the earth, by watching this high tech kinda wild movie on what the end times will look like. It helps to read the Book of Revelation in the Bible.
Lots of people can't get a point of reference on Revelation. It seems mystical but it isn't. It going to fit perfectly into our society.
This movie is chopped up into about 10 videos. To see how earth ends and begins again, watch the one titled, the "Millennium."
See it on YouTube. It's about 1:44 mins long.
Tell friends about it too. Very little dialog, but scripture references are shown.
(The videos put out by Lion of the Tribe of Judah; don't get it mixed up with the Revelation Station videos)
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
And remember that ppl who have died is not someone we should pray for anymore. He have meet his judge.
But in the other hand can we can still pray for his murderer.
Be blessed in Jesus Name.
So, the way is indeed narrow - the narrow path to eternity that only a few can traverse on, as God's children looking to the day when they will be with their God & Father & Jesus Christ. But the other way is wide, for there are so many more that have refused the Gift, & so blinded by their own lusts & passions, that they don't even recognize that hell is at the end of it ( Matthew 7:13,14; Luke 13:23,24). Every man, woman & child has the Blood of Christ available for them - it's now up to them what they do with that great expression of God's Love - God doesn't force that Gift upon them. That is why John 3:16 is so precious: "For God so loved the world (all people), that He gave His only begotten Son (as His Sacrifice for them), that whosoever believeth in Him (they must come - they must place their trust in Jesus), should not perish, but have everlasting life (life forever in God's Presence & not a life forever in hell's torment).
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18
[18]We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Sad, this is what my Holy Scriptures say from the Holy Ghost and I believe!!!!!!!!!!
I do not believe man's lying tongue.
Matthew 10:28 And fear them not which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Brother Dan the word translated hell in this verse is the word Gehenna.
The Old Testament refers to this as Hinnon, a valley outside of Jerusalem's walls, at the time Christ was on earth this valley was used as the cities dump.
The garbage and trash and the dead bodies of criminals were thrown here.
They had fire burning in that dump and worms were there eating the flesh of dead bodies. Where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched.
Christ was using Gehenna fire to show how he uses judgement to destroy the trash and unwanted things in our lives.
That fire is now quenched and those worms are gone, because that dump site is now a city park.
If the translators had left the word Gehenna in the verse, as they left it in tact in the Old Testament, instead of changing it to the word hell. There would not be so much deception.
Brother Dan, the word Gehenna is used 11 time in the bible and translated as hell.
James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is it among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and is set on fire OF GEHENNA (translated hell).
Brother Dan, the WORKS in your body are not you WORKS, their God's works, you gave you life, for Christ's LIFE, now it's no longer you, but CHRIST IN YOU, doing the WORKS.
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD which WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Jesus is the root, we are the branches, without me (in you) you can do nothing. I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.
Brother Dan the old you (sinful flesh) no longer exist, it died on the cross.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ......
OLD TESTAMENT:
"but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord."
Leviticus 19:18
Jesus came to FULFILL the LAW! NOT DESTROY IT.
Jesus Christ kept every commandment and did not sin once. If Christ is in us we do NOT continually DISOBEY.
"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning."
1 John 2:3-4, 7 KJV
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
1 John 3:4-8 KJV
of Gods gift Holy Spirit its a package deal. Now Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto to the throne
of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. The context starts in verse one and
the rest and grace are in the believing! Also look at Epistle of John 3:20-22 Good stuff! Have a great day
GIVE THEM HEAVEN!
The scriptures that you quoted are certainly true. We are saved by faith not by obeying the law. He shed His blood for us. However, disregard of the law of God was what brought down Lucifer and Adam and Eve. There was no sin till then.We, in our flesh, also do not obey nor can obey the law of God. The 10 Commandments have not been abolished. Jesus said in Matthew 5 vs 18: 'till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.'
What does being saved mean? To verbally accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour without complete commitment is worthless.What does He say about being lukewarm? We can lose our salvation as evidenced by scriptures such as Matthew24:13 'but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved', Rev 3:11 'hold fast..so that no one may seize your crown', also eg. Mark 13:13, Hebrews 6:4-65, Heb 3:6
"SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW" 1John 3:4. If we sin, we have forgiveness by repenting to our advocate with the Father. 1 John 2:1. With His Spirit within us, we grow in our characters to become more like Jesus, who obeyed His Father.
He did not sin and became our substitute. We are saved from our sins not to keep on sinning. Deception in the churches on this point abounds. We are warned not to be deceived-eg. Matt24;4, 2 Thess 2-3, 1 Cor 6:9-10
To see what the faithful church will look like at the return of Jesus, examine Rev 14vs12- THEY KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS. In contrast to this, 'the love of many shall wax cold.' Matt 24:12
Note further Rev 22vs 14:
' BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE AND MAY ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY.'
Jesus does not separate Himself from His law. He said of Himself 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.'
The Bible also tells us in Psalm 119vs 142 'Thy Law is Truth.'
1 John 2:4 says we are liars if we say we love Him and do not keep His commandments.
Rick, please read : Mark 12:27, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:14-15, Luke 9:60, Genesis 2:17,
Genesis 3:20,
John 3:3,5,6,
Numbers 23:19, 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12, Leviticus,
Nowhere, is that stated in Scripture. Colossians 2:8
Revelations 22:19,
John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
We as christains say the word was manifested in a fleshly form. The word that was spoken to mary was manifested into a flesh and blood as a baby.
God Bless
stay prayed up ready to go up
cowboy
The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us" in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
Romans 1:20
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:27-30
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse"
Genesis 1:1
The Father purposes
The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)
The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.
Jesus is returning sooner than we all think. Matthew 24 and Luke 21 give us specific signs to watch for. They will increase near the end of days
Something else...this world we call home is going to pass away. We know that it's going to end and be renewed to what God created in Genesis. Before we polluted it and destroyed it with greed and technology. 2 PETER CHAPTER 3.
God promised never to flood the World again. But it is going to burn up. It already happening. IT IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING. The earth is responding to the WORD OF GOD, shown to Peter.
It's coming apart now: forest fires, worldwide droughts, polluted ground water from human belligerence; continent sized floating islands of garbage in both hemispheres. Earthquakes and Volcanos, floods: with increasing intensity. FAULTS once thought long dead will become active. As the end wars will be fought, we'll see space objects hit earth, our cities. Food will be used against us to force us to take THE MARK OF THE BEAST, ANTICHRIST. One world currency will be forced on us next. One world religion. Individuality will be no more.
Take the Mark=DEATH
Take Jesus=LIFE ETERNAL
FAITH believes God's Word.
The Holy Spirit, John 3:5-8
1st I think you are incorrect about "government requirement" of all "those vaccinations" that's why there's still debates. I believe in some states they are not required. Even where they are there are debates of rights as parents & individual choices. * not a GOD Law.
2nd Importantly if vaccination is effective; (I agree most have been)= then the hatered, animosity, & anger about freedoms shouldn't exist! Because if effective then those vaccinated have no fear, only non-vaxers would have threats in society. This is a freedom & liberty argument. Jeremiah 34:15-18, Psalms 119:45-46,
3rd If "boomers" could say 'choice' when it came to killing millions in my generation through abortion, then my generation has choices too. Isn't that the real questions? Galatians 5:11-14,
4th The HOLY Spirit is Amazing!!! just this morning I was reminded how painful & difficult, chicken pox were, I contracted maybe 3 times, before 8 yr of age. contracted German measles in hospital at birth. I am grateful my children through vaccination didn't contract. I believe I was reminded because I would be responding to you. Thank you LORD GOD ALMIGHTY :) John 14:26,
5th I believed in the power of vaccinations, I was vaccinated & oldest child. I encountered studies about Autism connected to vaccination. I heard parents' arguments about anti-vax & evidence. I had next infant fuly vaccinated, didn't seem to effect us. My youngest was born & early on had several 'markers for Autism' the evidence in studies pointed to somes inability to absorb metals like Mercury & Lead in bloodstream - I had worked in Lab several years with many Chemicals, including Lead, Mercury. I was also MSDS Supervisor. Knowledge of reproductive system risks, I had to make the moral 'choice' not to vaccinate, at that time.
mouth believe in Heart and thou shalt be saved Absolute tense! This is the why, believe and become a child
of the most High! God bless
Much of the bible scripture including the gospel of Jesus is written so that a common person (even a child) can easily understand enough to become saved, and remain saved, and receive Salvation/Heaven.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Believe in Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Get baptized in water, and receive the Holy Spirit.
1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus when you sin, and walk in the Spirit.
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Strive to keep God's ten commandments, and ask for forgiveness when you sin.
Revelation 22:14
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
Jesus tells us above, that those of us that keep his commandments - we will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates of the city/Heaven.
Nothing is complicated in most bible scripture. God wants all of us to understand!
Do not depend on others, pick up and read your Bible, believe in what it says, and take a hold of YOUR SALVATION!
False teachers are claiming that everyone is saved regardless and you don't even need to follow Jesus or do anything at all. Some say you can enjoy yourself, commit unlimited sin, follow and worship satan, because it doesn't matter. Based on this lie, I'm sure many would enjoy using that as justification to commit sin tonight: maybe have an affair, do drugs, lie, steal, commit violence, and do whatever your heart desires, and all the things God hates. None of this info comes from the Bible. Jesus said the opposite of what people are spewing here. If Jesus was here today they would likely call Him names, like legalistic or unloving or unaccepting. People are embracing the values of the world over the God's values. Jesus warned everyone to NOT SIN and be NOT of this world. People are twisting things to justify themselves living and following the world and assume they are saved when they are not. The end will be exactly as Jesus predicted: Matthew 7:21.
People at least can't say they weren't warned. But the false teachings about people saying there's no hell, no sin, no this or that is all lies. It's like the devil himself posting lies. A lot of cherrypicking and scripture ignoring must happen to make such a conclusions and it begs the question if everyone is already saved then why read the Bible or spread the gospel if what they say is true? Really sad to see that on a Bible site where 1 click away God's word debunks it. God bless...
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?
John 3:3-5
3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot SEE the kingdom of God.
4. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the WATER and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Mishael: JESUS openly, for all to see, was scourged; stripped of clothing; made to wear a crown of thorns, and nailed by hands and feet on a cross for all to see.
They stayed until Jesus died.
His blood ran down from Golgotha, in streams; to redeem the earth.
Hidden did all of this on full display. His last words were recorded. They stayed till they saw him Die.
My question is? What is keeping us from being baptized in water? For all to see. What is the shame?
I did it because I was done with my old life, and I wanted to leave it all in the water.
I do not understand the arguments for or against baptism. It's not a Law. It is sharing in what Jesus did for Me.
Matthew 3
13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of you, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS." Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
above believing in Jesus Christ Gods only begotten Son Romans 10:9+10 and choosing to change their works.
Almost everyone has a choice to choose. Gods the giver but the receiving has got His conditions not ours
attached to it.
also Ephesians 4:29. Then Ephesians 5:1+2 this is the Age of Grace where our commission is 2 Corinthians 5 :17-20
we are witnesses of His goodness not to be condemning if they don't believe, that is on them the old saying is if they
want to go to hell that's their problem if they choose not to believe. John 3:16-18. Prayerfully this helps.