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Larry Hudson, Perhaps you are very aware of the scripture & The HOLY Spirit has revealed to you an amazing & important message. Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, Romans 11:7-36, Romans 1:16, Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24, John 8:1-58,

John 16:1-4, John 17:1-26, John 18:12-15,

Forgive our zeal for GOD's love for us. As adopted in, grafted in children. John 3:16,

Your Freedom Your Will Your Choice

The one thing that attracted me years ago to the word was the Love of God shown by Jesus Christ, and in

Romans 2:4 second half its the goodness of God that leadeth thee to repentance[ a change of mind leading to a change

of heart]. According to 1 Timothy 2:2 Gods will is to have all men saved to be saved and to come to the knowledge of

the truth. In John 3:16 which is familiar to most if not all of us, God so loved the world that he gave[it was his will to

save his creation includes all men] his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have

everlasting life. 17 he that believeth on him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already.

The reason is stated next because they loved there own deeds or works which were wrong being blinded by Pride

greed lust literally loved themselves at the expense many times of others lives that's evil. So don't tell me I'm

doing anything wrong I've got everything I want so why should I change. They loved there deeds and are blinded by

2 Corinthians 4:4 the god of this world still what you sew is what you reap and they are without excuse. 1 John 2:15+16

can dim the Glow of Gods light in us if we allow it also be not quick to condemn

or judge, we at one time were there. We plant and water in Love but Father gives the increase. Jesus Christ spent a lot more time teaching principles of our Fathers love and

walking with God than the end result of unbelief because Gods desire is to have no one join or taken down by

His Arch enemy. Weare indeed the preservers or the Salt until we are gathered together. Just some heart

Good Morning English Sacha My bible says God is all love when or if some decides to go totally against the God of

Life and love and peace then the only thing left for God to do is I'll wait, but unless you come back to me my hands are

tied. Romans 1:21-23 man walks away God is, Jesus Christ in the gospels walked and worked the works of God

for all those with one condition they had to believe and even then he helped there unbelief. The only time he didn't do

many mighty works was in his own home town because they didn't believe. John 3:16 speaks loudly.

Hi Brother Dan.

Thanks for your reply. Sorry for such a late reply.

You mentioned John 3:5. Romans 6:1-6. Galatians 3:26-27. and Acts 2:38. The only verse of the 4 mentioned that has anything to do with water baptism is Acts 2:38. and you apply it wrong when you use it as proof of an requirement for salvation. Peter is talking to Jews who had the word of God who had a God given religion, who knew the prophesies concerning a messiah. But they trusted in the Law that couldn't regenerate a soul.

"The law was their schoolmaster" Galatians 3:24. They are to turn around and come Gods way. John the Baptist was the forerunner for this message preaching the baptism of repentance "TO THE JEWS".

The old covenant they offered up sacrifices that couldn't save but pointed to the Lamb of God.

Here they're asked to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Water Baptism would be the evidence that "THEY" had repented, That they had come to Christ and put their trust in Him! Rather than bring a sacrifice to be offered.

As the sacrifices was a "foreshadowing' of Christ, Water baptism "Demonstrates" the Death and resurrection, In that demonstration THERE'S NO QUIKENING INVOLVED HERE! Only when we believed, Christ died We died!

That brings us to these other verses you mentioned. Galatians 3:26-28. and Romans 6:1-6. Have you noticed the phrase "BAPTIZED INTO" in Romans and Galatians? This speaks of the work of the Holyspirit to those who "TRULY" believed! they have been put into the body of believers.

After this occurs We should be barring fruit and have great concern there, Because that is something you cant produce on your own! This happens only "IF" you have been truly put in Christ. IDENTIFIED with his Death and resurrection. "The Baptism of the Holyspirit". you inherit the promise of Abraham. Galatians 3:18-29.

That is the context of the verses you have given.

These verses describes the work of the cross and true profession.

God bless.

Good, you're at the right site. Start reading the WORD written inside by clicking the Books, I like Luke when I started that was great to show me as new study who Christ Jesus was, is & is to come. Hover over the scripture here, should bring you straight to it.

Luke 1:1-4, you can continue to read by clicking read full chapter the scroll down, click tab on edges to next chapter, etc. Many people enjoy Psalms, I didn't enjoy it as much as a new beginner study but do enjoy it much more now after years of study.

Psalms 1:1-3,

U may enjoy Exodus, which actually begins in Genesis 37:1-36, continues : Genesis 39:1-23, Genesis 40:1-23, Genesis 41:1-57, Genesis 42:1-38, Genesis 43:1-34, Genesis 44:1-34,

[Note this scripture chapter 44, Genesis, if you noticed we skipped Genesis 38, because it jumps from Joseph to Judah. Now if you read Genesis 38:1-30, you can understand a few things on deeper level = Judah maybe knows painful loss of children at this point in his life & even the difference of love towards children of his "loved wife". Next very importance of Judah's sacrifice for others, resemblance of Jesus sacrifice being beloved Son of GOD. John 3:16, ]also interesting Tamar, bore to Judah the son in Jesus documented lineage Matthew 1:1-3]

Back to story : Genesis 45:1-28, (forgiveness), Genesis 46:1-34, Genesis 47:1-12 (Redemption) Genesis 47:27-31,

Now note: Genesis 47:13-26 , Genesis 12:1-3, Genesis 12:10, Genesis 12:11-16, * Genesis 12:13-20, Genesis 16:3, Genesis 16:6-11, Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 21:8-21, my own opinion Deuteronomy 32:35-36, Romans 12:19.

These moments in Genesis leading up to how & why Israel came into bondage. Exodus 1:1-8, continue reading Exodus 1:22, please continue to read all of Exodus.

One more encouraging note :) Hebrews 11:22, Psalms 105:1-45,

Furthermore on this site under the 1611 Version tab you can scroll to see more history on the Bible.

Hopefully these inspire a new lifetime desire of deeper study

Hi Brother S Spencer,

I appreciate your response. Regarding John 3:5 You state: "Born of water - this has nothing to do with baptism by water."

It reads clear to me that Jesus is saying in John 3:5 we must be reborn/baptized with water and receive the Holy Spirit. The water and Spirit go together - can't separate these two! Jesus stated these two (Water/Spirit) together for a reason.

I believe baptism in water is NOT an optional part of salvation, but is the act that initiates our salvation Romans 6:1-6

Galatians 3:26-27 and leads to the forgiveness of sins.

Lastly, I believe that we are saved today, the same way people have been saved since the day of Pentecost Acts 2:38

No quarrel here, just quoting scripture, and my current understanding and belief regarding baptism. Currently, you have not quoted any scripture that would change my mind about this requirement.

God Bless.

Brother Dan.

My view on John 3:5.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. "Born of water" This has nothing to do with baptism by water. If this baptism have anything to do with this section of scripture it would be in verse 6 where Jesus says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirt. Romans 6:4. The water mentioned here I believe is the word of God!

John 17:17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. " The cleansing sanctifying power of the word!"

John 15:3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Hebrews 4:12. The word is alive!! A person must be born again by the use of the scripture and its the Holyspirit taking the scripture and using it. I've heard it put like this, You have Spirit of God using the word of God through the man of God.

Verse 11: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We "SPEAK" that we do know, and "TESTIFY" that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

It takes the spirit of God to be obedient to the word of God. It takes the spirit of God to receive the word of God. And it take the word of God to receive the spirit of God through baptism of the Holyspirit.

I haven't heard one person on this site said they wasn't baptized, So why quarrel about obedience in that regard? But many of us say it wasn't to add to what Christ done on the cross. Is that disobedience? If you believe keeping some ritual or commandments is your way to salvation, What does the cross mean to you? Christ wasn't sacrificed "JUST IN CASE YOU FALL SHORT" He was sacrificed because you couldn't. He paid the penalty BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL READY GUILTY.

God bless.

If "dividing the word" means ignoring scripture like this, then count me out!

Jesus states the following scripture:

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Please take note: Jesus doesn't say you just need to be "baptized in the Spirit", HE says " Except a man be born of Water and of the Spirit"

Jesus submitted to water baptism, showing us that even HE humbled himself in undergoing this action. As Christ Followers who are we to balk at water baptism? In my opinion, to do so, is to ignore Jesus, and even worse, by not accepting water baptism, you may actually be putting yourself above Jesus. Jesus not only told us what is expected of us, he also showed us what is expected!

Baptism by water is so easy to do, this should be a no brainer!

God Bless.

Hi English Sasha,

The word of God does speak to us and I believe He speaks to specific people for to do His will. When we study His word, the Holy Spirit teaches us if we open our ears. Preconceived ideas we have, plug our ears and we find scripture to confirm the answer we want. We cannot be taught if we know the answer before we study. The same is with a man, I never had children, we also can feel the eyes of whisper, the testimony is against them.

Interesting thought on the first Adam and the last Adam, may be that's one of the reasons Jesus is called the second man and the last Adam. Earthy first and spiritual second and at the resurrection we put off this corruption of the first Adam and put on incorruption because of what the last Adam did for us, then we will be in their likeness. 1John 3:2 Romans 6:5

My understanding of day six and Adam and Eve may be different, God bless you and your husband.

RLW

Sis That gets back to rightly divided doctrine, and No private interpretation which has been handed down through the ages. I do what I do because it works not because its a nice head trip, Jesus Christ walked and talked in the realm of the miraculous, we can too which I KNOW most people don't believe but that's not my problem, that's what my God through his Son paid for in full. Because of His Sacrifice and resurrection we can Hebrews 4:16, Romans 12:2, Ephesians 5:1+2,

Ephesians 1:19, John 10:10, 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 John 3:22, there are over 400 of these called promises to us who believe.

I've learned by walking out and doing that is believing, I never received nothing until I read listened and Acted which by the way is why its called the book of Acts, they believed and moved.

Hi Amelia,

To those that say we DO NOT have to be water baptized is to ignore what Jesus tells us in this scripture:

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Remember: John 12:48

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

I sure don't want to be the one to reject Jesus and receiveth not his words.

God Bless.

Dear Hartford,

I just don't know why any Christian would not want to receive baptism in water, in addition to all the other scripture, here is Jesus telling us that (point blank) we really need to submit to this - if we want to enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

God Bless.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not Perish but have everlasting life!

Find a Bible only believing church that teaches REPENTANCE. Turning away from our sins and obeying God are imperative to living a life pleasing to The Lord.

Welcome to the family Mike!!!

everyone mentions john 3:16,don't get me wrong that verse is awesome but talk about GPS or maps and Jesus provides that and more by letting us know our only way home is there any other way indeed there's not Praise to you Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hi Jennifer Gods knows your need better than anyone else, also he knows your heart, these are for the mind to heal, He sent His Word and healed them. Romans 5:1+2 Peace with God, greatest cargoes of life come in over quiet seas.

Romans 8:28-39 more than a conqueror and nothing [think about that] can separate us from the Love of God which was in Christ Jesus our lord. You and God are not at odds anymore he is your Father and fathers meet the need of all His Children.

1 John 3:1+2 Beloved now are we the Sons of God, also 3:20-22 he's there to answer prayer and needs during confusion quilt, condemnation, because he knows we will deal with this stuff.

2 Timothy 1:7 Anything opposite of these three is not of God.



Change your mind change your heart

Put on in the mind Colossians 3:15-17 also Colossians 1:11-14 and Ephesians 3:14-20 notice how many times Christ is mentioned. We were saved by confessing Romans 10:9+10 and at that time we received the spiritual power that raised Him from the dead that why Paul wrote Christ in us the hope of Glory

Ephesians 4:23-32 Putting on the new man in the mind that's why I said change your mind change your heart. Proverbs as a man thinketh in His heart so is he.

Philippians 4:6-9 Be careful for nothing means anxious in verse 6, now verse 13 notice through Christ again that's the power that works in us.

Colossians 1:11-13 we are strengthen with might and we have been made partakers of the saints in light its incredible.

We have been made more that conquerors through Him that loved and loves us and those scripture are part of that. There are over 400 promises in Gods word to us who believe we can only do whar we know and act on.

Prayerfully this helps.

Brother David, in the fullness of times, GOD will be ALL IN ALL ( 1 Corinthians 15:28).

Jesus came to visibly show what it means for God to be ALL in ALL, Christ was the first.

Christ is the body ( Ephesians 4:4)(a vessel) that holds ALL GOD IS; therefore Christ did nothing of himself, because a BODY can DO NOTHING of itself, It's the LIFE in the BODY that does the work. ( John 5:19)( John 5:30)( John 8:28).

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the LIFE) which worketh in you (in the body, the vessel, even in Christ) TO WILL and TO DO his (the Father's) good pleasure.

We are going to be CONFORMED to the likeness of Christ. We are the pot (the body, the vessel) he is the potter.

He is bring his BODY (you and I) to TRUTH. WE do NOTHING OURSELVES ( John 15:5).

When you are BORN of TRUTH, ALL that you are doing is not you THE BODY doing it, but God THE LIFE in you doing the work.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (TRUTH) doth not COMMIT SIN: for his SEED (CHRIST IN YOU)( Colossians 1:27) remaineth in him (you ARE DEAD (in trespasses) he GAVE you HIS LIFE, you are now the body that HOLDS ALL GOD IS): and he (the one who died to TRUTH), cannot sin, because he is born of TRUTH.

And the TRUTH is:

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (THE LIFE) which worketh in you (HIS BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

God grace us with eyes to see, God bless you.

Hi Fred I don't understand your statement God sends someone to hell, that contradicts these scripture. John 3:16-19 those who [choose] to believe not. They liked there evil deeds. Romans 1:21-24 Gods gave them over but there choice or will not to glorify God. Gods will is 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. God does not condemn or accuse that's the adversaries job, man by freedom of will or choice or if you will is manipulated to not believe and walk away from God. God already knows mans condition that was the whole purpose of sending His Son knowing that some would believe and be rescued. Again John 3:16 think about it.

Well said.

Hello Prasanth. In Genesis 15:1, Abram received a vision from God & in it God spoke to Him. As declared to us in the Bible, the Essence of God's Being revealed to us is His Word & His Spirit: not three gods, but One God manifested in the fulness of His Being. So when God speaks, as here, & many other places in the Bible, He is sending out His Word to inform or alert man.

But when God planned at a specific time that One should lay down His Life for the sins of mankind, instead of giving another animal for sacrifice or creating another man for this purpose, God sent forth His Word (from within Himself), clothed it with flesh, so that the Word of God could now be seen & heard by His people ( John 1:1-14; Hebrews 1:1-6) & ultimately lay down His Life for us all ( John 10:14-18; 1 John 3:16). So the Word of God came into the world formed as a human babe & was called the Son of God ( Luke 1:35).

Dear brother Fred. "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." (1 John 3:2). I believe we shall see our Lord in the Body that He left the Earth in: as the Son of Man glorified & Whose Body was prepared for Heaven. As we too shall be changed, in the twinkling of an eye, to be outfitted for Heaven. As He is, so shall we be.

And 1 Corinthians 15:49-53, where "flesh & blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God", but when the change comes at the last trump, this corrupt flesh must put on incorrupt flesh & prepared for Heaven, that we might "bear the image of the heavenly".

And brother, nice to see you back here.

I'm so glad that Jesus has you for His servant. We only have to say, yes I will go. The Lord just quickened this verse for you, Gigi.

Isaiah 6:8-10. You are called, dear one.

I'm blessed to know that. I'm feeling my age more. I don't walk in doubt. But It's great to see the younger generation coming on strong.

"They will know us by the love we have for the brethren". 1 John 3:14

I buy those little comic book tracts to give away to the little kids. They'll be around after the candy is gone. I like the one titled, Somebody Loves Me. You can see them all on, Chick Tracts dot com

I drop them everywhere :). Especially outside of goodwill stores where they sell Halloween costumes and fake teeth.

May God enlarge your heart for even more Love.

Hi Ishmael,

Brother Adam provided you with great advice and a great list of bible scripture.

I will agree, yes, we can lose our (expected) salvation.

One of the greatest of many examples of someone losing their expected salvation is Judas, one of the original apostles. He choose sin, by betraying Jesus for money. Judas could have went to heaven, and would have sat on one of the 12 thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. He lost his expected salvation!

We must not only believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, we must repent, be baptized in water, and receive God's Holy Spirit.

See John 3:3-7

When we receive the Holy Spirit we will be born again, and rather than continue in sin, we should be walking in the light of righteousness while producing good works, and good fruit. If we rebel and continue to live a worldly lifestyle in sin, we will have a problem with our salvation:

I will reiterate: 2 peter 2:20-21

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Please beware: There are no "Free Tickets to Heaven" as some false prophets would have you believe! Don't put your trust trust in Man for your salvation, read your bible and pray for understanding.

God Bless You!

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You say you are born again, and I am not disputing that.

You quoted 1 John 1:8-10

As born again what do you do with 1 John 3:8-9

The scriptures have to be in unity.

Brother Mishael,

Amen! Jesus Christs words are EVERLASTING!

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Matthew 24:35

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

Matthew 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

In summary: Jesus tells the apostles to TEACH ALL NATIONS, very important - ALL NATIONS. Some teaching false doctrine will state that the above scripture is directed at Israel only - NOT SO!!!!!

ALL NATIONS - means all people all over this EARTH!

God Bless!

Dear Sister Cindy,

It's wonderful that you want to be in the House of the Lord. Here are the keys to the Kingdom - per Jesus!

Believe!

John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Be baptized in water and receive God's Holy Spirit!

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Repent from your sin!

Revelation 3:19

"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Strive to keep God's 10 Commandments.

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Come judgement day, Jesus will be our Judge, he tells us here in scripture below what will he will want from us to enter into his Kingdom.

Revelation 22:12-14

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.



13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Keep your bible close to you, read it and Believe!

God Bless.

Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7:21-27, John 3:16, Isaiah 53, John 20:29, John 5:19-20, John 5, Here are a few scriptures to help you better understand who GOD is.

Sanctified is set apart, holy. God sent JESUS who was sanctified for us. John 3:16

Old Testament law

Exodus 21, Leviticus 24,

History & today teaches us that a ruling body or a People that refuse to punish criminal behavior fairly: results in chaos, fear, injustice, revenge, distrust in leadership, distrust in policing forces, instability in communities & breeds corruption, & more crimes.

1 Peter 2:13-17

Clarify for "they are sent by him for punishment of evil doers" "honor the king" to be lights, blameless

However if you're in USA we are the Governing force. "we the People"

GOD gave society laws to follow & punishment

JESUS gave example of forgiveness for individuals, religious, family & even examples of forgiveness in society. With those he said repent. Paul is an example of repentance.

Hopefully that's helpful.

Hi Earl Jesus christ always did and displayed the fathers will, in John 10:9 is the thief or adversaries will steal kill destroy, 1 John 3:8 they are opposites. The last enemy to be destroyed is death 1 Corinthians 15:54:55, also God is light and in God there is no darkness at all. God Bless that's all I have to share.

It depends on who it is doing the saving. If Jesus the only begotten son of the father, True and only God has saved you - then nothing shall ever separate you from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord!

Romans 8:35-39!

It is written that you were bought and paid with a price (Jesus's Blood) - therefore you are not your own. Thank God for this. You are not allowed to judge another man's servant - namely you. It is also written that He will never leave you or forsake you. He cannot lie and His word cannot be broken! He has come to World to save mankind.

If you believe in the Death Burial and Resurrection of Jesus The Christ then you have True Life! For it is the power onto salvation to all that Believe!

1 Corinthians 15: 3,4

John 3:16

Let us not trust in our own works our our own righteousness- But let us only Believe in His Work on the Cross!

Let's keep it simple and our Faith in Jesus - for He will put no one to shame that trusts in Him!

Praise God!!!

Hi David. Do you mean, 'did Jesus ever repent of some sin He committed'? The clear & conclusive answer to that, would be, NO. No sin was ever imputed to Him nor found in Him, as much as there were many accusers claiming Him to have done wrong or broken God's Laws. 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:21-24; 1 John 3:4,5.

However, if you mean, 'did Jesus ever repent (or, change His mind) for something He did or said', again the answer would be, NO. There have been others who purportedly have found instances of Jesus 'changing His Mind', but from what I've found, those were baseless 'proofs'.