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Acts 1:8
Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part in me.
John 13:6-8
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Excepta man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:5
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Phillip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Acts 8:38
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Phillip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:39
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.
Ephesians 5:26
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:47
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
John 19:34
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1 John 5:6
In that day shall the branch of the LORD ne beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even ecery one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
Isaiah 4:2-3
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John 3:20
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 3:12
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:3
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:4
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
Hebrews 13:11
Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Hebrews 13:12
And straightway coming up oit of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mark 1:10
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:22
And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
Luke 22:10
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 3:20
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
John 3:23
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 1:4-5
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John 3:3
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Matthew 3:11
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Galatians 3:6
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
These things I command you, that ye love one another.
John 15:14-17
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:36
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Galatians 3:27
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 3:21
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:5
I am the Lord; that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:8
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1 Corinthians 3:20
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You state: "I don't believe there's any special formula for salvation other than surrendering to Christ and receiving His Spirit."
Respectfully, I think there is more to it than you expressed, and I believe Jesus does have "a special formula", and it is outlined throughout the bible. I say this so others will not take lightly their salvation, and hopefully they will study the scriptures on their own, to satisfy themselves that they are really following God's requirements "per the bible scripture."
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
1 John 5:3
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
John 14:21
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
Jesus tells us that he will be our Judge, and he tells us what he will be looking for in us in order to enter into the Kingdom: Revelation 22:12-14
God Bless.
Based on scripture spoken by Jesus, it happens when you accept and believe that Jesus is your Savior, receive water baptism, and then receive God's Holy Spirit. = Born Again. Please see scripture below:
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Hope this helps you.
God Bless.
Amen! (I like your name!)
I also believe John 14:6 is paramount to our salvation, but do you think we can disregard any other scripture from Jesus? Can we just pick and choose scripture that we like, or that suits our lifestyle? (Is it that Easy) How about the following scripture?
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Revelation 22:12-14
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
So, are we to believe in John 14:6 and then be of no concern with Christ's gospel and other scripture that instructs us on how we must live our lives in order to enter into the Kingdom of God?
God Bless.
Regarding the thief on the cross, I will reiterate previous responses directed at this issue. God can have mercy on whomever he pleases, please see the scripture below:
Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."
It sounds like you have an issue with God choosing who he wants to have mercy on? If so, your argument is not with me, it is with God!
When Jesus forgave the thief on the cross it was "a special act of mercy" for the thief, and NOT a message "to all mankind" to go ahead and keep sinning and as long as you believe in Christ you will be saved. That is a FALSE MESSAGE with a cult like following. The devil and his demons believe, based on your doctrine "of believe only" they go to heaven too!!
In addition to Believing, we must be baptized in water, receive the Holy Spirit, also REPENT, and lead a good christian life following the gospel of Jesus Christ.This is Jesus/God stating all of this throughout the bible, and in the following scripture:
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Revelation 22:12-14
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Do you believe the above scripture? If you believe the above scripture, and if you love Jesus you will follow HIS advice! If you turn your back on the above scripture, Jesus has already said that he will be our JUDGE, and he will judge us according to HIS WORD!
If you can't believe the above scripture from Jesus/God, your disagreement is not with me, it's with God!
God Bless.
ark was a type of baptism. The parting of the Red sea was a type of baptism. It's in the Bible & it's God's word. Amen to Darryl King. I've obeyed Acts 2:38. Amen
God made a special exception for the thief. It is also very probable that the thief never had a chance to hear the WORD of God, hence God can make these kinds of exceptions. But, you, and I, and many others, have heard Jesus Christ's gospel, and we are supposed to be following Jesus. If we turn our backs on Christ's commandments, or HIS WORDS, we will not be treated like the thief, because we have been forewarned by Jesus what he expects from us!
2 Peter 2:21
"For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Read and believe!
God Bless.
Fear not! Walk with Jesus Christ, read and believe His Gospel. Follow HIS commandments and he will guide you to everlasting life!
None of us will ever be perfect. We must try to follow in Christs footsteps, and when we fall short, we must pray for forgiveness.
Jesus will be our JUDGE and he tells us in scripture what he will look for in us:
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
We must believe, and be baptized in Water and the Holy Spirit!
Revelation 22:12-14
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Above, Jesus tells us that we need to follow God's 10 commandments, hopefully in doing so, we will be producing the good works/good fruit as required by Jesus above, in order to enter in though the gates of the city.
God Bless
Thanks for sharing the scripture confirming water baptism. Yes, I also believe we must be Born of Water and Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. So baptism with water and receiving the Holy Spirit will be the requirement - per Jesus Christ! This scripture is so powerful, Jesus stating "EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND SPIRIT"
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
To argue differently, is to argue directly with Jesus.
God Bless.
You haven't shared about your forefathers or how you may be considering them as demons, so I can't give anymore specifics. Your forefathers will always be related to you no matter how they have lived their lives. You are responsible for your own life & if you have family members, also to care for them, nurture them & lead them to live carefully & responsibly. I don't know your culture, but I would think that a person in any culture will never deny his heritage & his responsibilities to his fellow-man.
As far as loving your forefathers, that depends on a person's inclination; some pay no heed to any one other than those about them - others, will go to great lengths to prepare (endless) genealogies & retrieve historical records/photos, so as to keep their memories alive. So be free to give love, respect or consideration to your forefathers, if you deem them worthy, but if their lives have been filled with evil, then we can learn to stay far away from their errors, & turn to the One Who promises us forgiveness of our sins, a new abundant life on Earth, & a sure hope of an eternity with Him. And of course, His Name is Jesus Christ, Who came as the Saviour for all men, no matter their religion, country of birth, or their deeds. Jesus gave His Life for you & me, so that we wouldn't have to suffer eternity without God & in everlasting punishment. John 3:16-19; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:23; Romans 10:9, all giving us assurance that when we come to God through His Son, He will forgive & He will accept. Your forefathers may have not heard this Good News - today no one has any excuse. May you receive God's comfort.
Mark 16:16
1 Peter 3:21
Acts 2:38
Acts 4:12
Acts 19:1-6
Acts 10:44-48
John 3:1-6
1 Corinthians 14:2,22,39
Acts 2:4
Acts 5:32
Acts 1:8
John 21:15
Jesus loves us! Landon
Jesus Christ sent Paul ( Acts 9:15) to preach about his name. Jesus Christ
means in Hebrew "Jehovah is Salvation" ( John 3:16,17; Psalm 83:18)
so Paul was taking the lead and many other qualified men were appointed
to lead the congregations or "Churches KJV". 1 Timothy 3
According to Acts 2 man and woman fulfilled the prophecy at Joel 2:28
during a day of Pentecost ( Acts 2:16-18). All were filled with the holy spirit ( john 4:24)
were all at the same time speaking in tongues. (multitudes heard in his own language
Acts 2:1,3,6)
Paul was maybe trying to explain that the congregation is not that event.( 1 Corinthians 12:27-31)
that they must speak or prophecy one at a time. to keep the congregation in order. 1Corinthians 14:33.
However, because a man is the head of his wife. a wife remains silent in the congregation ( 1Tim. 2:12).
if she wants to ask a question about something. she should not become authoritative within
the congregation or church (if she doesn't understand something, she should go to her husband).
1 Corinthians 14:35
Ephesians 5:21-24
if someone is single. then the head would be Jesus Christ because he is the head of the man (Jesus Christ has appointed qualified men to shepherd the congregation John 21:17. if a woman is single or not married, she can
go to the one taking the lead, and they can pray for her.
James 5:14-16
1 Samuel 1:9-18; Luke 10:38-42;
Acts 20:28; 1 Timothy 3
Regarding woman and head covering, according to 1 Corinthians 11:5,8;
if her husband is present, she covers her head if she is preaching or praying.
if her husband is not present and she preaches and prophecies or prays to God,
then she should cover her head as a sign of authority because of the angels.
this is what the scripture says. I can't tell you anything other
1 Corinthians 11:2-3;8-10; 1Tim. 2:12
1 Corinthians 11:1,2,16 "keeping the order as delivered to them"
"we have no custom of being contentious about"
Does Job 12:23
mean that God is the bone who makes 'our nation (S) great...oR is it man who by his convictions of doing right and serving the afflicted, and heeding to moral laws within their heart and soul etc.?
You are replying to a comment by "DG"
Responding to your question. please read Job 42:1-7
Job also recognized that he uttered and said what he did not understand.
things to wonderful for him. that "he knew not" or nothing.
he repented about what he said. and God said that job spoke things that is right
or he spoke truth. Job 40:3-5 proves that in grief and in agony and pain he spoke
things he did not understand. again however, he repented about all the things he did
not understand. then Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) said he spoke truth (by means of repentance and
taking back or correcting what he previously uttered in ignorance)
Thanks
2 Timothy 3:16,17
John 3:16,17
Hello brenda, to answer your question about a coney.
A Coney is a (Rock Hyrax) that looks like a rounded 'Meerkat' (without the black eyes)
they look so cute and adorable. however, under the mosiac law these
animals were considered unclean and shouldn't be eaten. Deuteronomy 14:7
Thanks:
Psalm 83:18
John 3:16,17
In 1 Corinthians chapter 11, the apostle is speaking about this relationship within the New Covenant. Before Jesus came to Earth as a babe, the Bible tells us that He was the Word of God ( John 1:1-14). In other words, God manifested Himself to His people, Israel, through the giving of His Word & by His Spirit through His prophets. But now in these last days (i.e. New Covenant days - post Cross), He has spoken to us by His Son, that Word Who was made Man ( Hebrews 1:1,2).
So, now when we see Jesus, He is seen (in the NT), as God made flesh, died, buried, resurrected, & ascended to sit at the Father's right Hand ( Luke 22:69; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 10:12). Jesus holds within Himself the full divinity of God His Father, all His Glory, & receives all the worship ( Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:12), but He now remains distinct in 'bodily' form because of His incarnation. And this is a picture of how we will be when translated to live in Heaven (1 John 3:2).
Therefore, God as Jesus' Father will always be at the Head, then Jesus as His only begotten Son next in position, then man as God's first creation in God's Image, & then woman made out of man, both of them bearing God's Image.
I don't understand your statement: "Also how do you say we are not under the old law but then makes new laws for women?" The only way I can understand your statement is to say that under the old Law, there was neither need nor provision for women preaching in the Church; there was no Church. This "ordinance" that Paul delivered ( 1 Corinthians 11:2) is entirely based on the risen Christ & His Church - nothing at all to do with any 'old' Law or whether the women of old ministered as prophets, judges, warriors, etc. Under the New Covenant, there is also a new order in His Body, as for those who now worship God in spirit & in Truth. Blessings.
Yes, you are correct about water baptism according to Jesus.
We should believe in what Jesus states in scripture below:
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Note: Don't let men confuse you, always test the scripture by comparing what Jesus tells us. The only way to God is through Jesus.
John 14:6
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Many today will turn their back on Jesus, and preach another Gospel that differs from what Jesus taught. They will say many things to try to convince you to turn your back on Jesus and God.
If the gospel or scripture, or man's word's don't match what Jesus says in scripture, it really means nothing. Jesus will be our Judge and he will make the decision on whom enters the Kingdom.
Revelation 22:12-14
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God Bless.
Remember John 3:16, Matthew 25:31-46,
it's talking about dressing to resemblance appearance as opposite sex.
At about 5 or 6 years old, I was told by a neighbor man, I should wear a dress, I wore a dress & the "monster" raped me both ways. I went unconscious more than once & was held by a heavenly being after I asked to die. The heavenly being comforted me he was wearing a white robe. I had a conversation as an adult outside of my young self, I guess in the heaven. Then I was back.
Later I was in a church Sunday school that I was made to wear a dress, (by step mother) the boys would lay on the floor to see my undergarments. It was emotionally painful & I would cry not to wear a dress. Even as a young adult men have been dishonorable when I wear shirts or dresses. I could use it for my gain!! However I rarely wear s dress & when I do, heads turn. I find it much more modest to wear pants. The husbands at the churches, stores etc don't stare as much when I wear pants.
Pants aren't what disqualify someone from heaven.
God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:
(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve 'Were Sent' to water baptize!
The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25 John 18:35 Exodus 19:6 ) +
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16 )
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) From Things That Differ!:
(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
Paul 'Was Not Sent' to {water} baptize! Why Not?:
Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 Colossians 2:12 Galatians 3:27 Romans 6:3-4 1 Corinthians 12:13 )
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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God Saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.
Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!
Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?
More spiritual understanding of 'Prophecy vs MYSTERY':
Link
Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Imo, This awesome and often quoted verse of the great apostle Peter, has been mis-preached and misinterpreted throughout the ages.
When Peter said unto them, REPENT...He was not speaking to our daily sins, but to the unforgivable sin of Disbelief in the Gospel John 3:16, but the Religious Judaizers try to tell us we must repent of our sins...before we can be saved.
Then many try to tie water baptism into the act of repentance, saying we must be water baptize before we can be saved.
Imo, the words "for the remission of sins," were taken out of context, because again, the only thing that can remit our sins is, repenting of our Disbelief, and Believing IN the Gospel. Imo, Peter actually was saying, "Repent for the remission of sins."
Imo, Acts 2:38 would have been much better understood, and served God and the world better if it were interpreted as:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent for the remission of sins, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Imo, Repentance of Disbelief-SAVES us, and Water Baptism-Empowers and helps us to Repent of our sins.
Would appreciate any Good and Godly comments on this, esp. Bro Dan. Thank You. :)
GOD Saves us-When we BELIEVE-HE Gave us-HIS SON JESUS-as a Sacrifice-to cover our sins. PERIOD!
ALL additional Words and Works Man tries to Add to SALVATION are supporting Details implicit in the Gospel...such as...
REPENT...all we must Repent of is the Unbelief in the Gospel...FAITH..we Believe and Receive by Faith...BLOOD is implicit in sacrificial Death of Christ...GRACE is God's Loving Act of sacrificing His Son...The CROSS...is the Tool used to sacrifice Jesus...DEATH BURIAL RESURRECTION are part of the sacrificial process...but again GOD SAVES us, by Jesus the Gift, through the Power of the Holy Spirit. :)
Again, God made it beautiful and simple enough for a child, or even an atheist to understand and be Saved.
The religious can't grasp or appreciate the profound Beauty Simplicity and Completeness of the Gospel, and forever try to add their words and works.
They can't accept what Jesus did and said on the cross that, "IT IS FINISHED...and that,
GOD Saves us...When we BELIEVE...HE Gave us HIS SON Jesus...as a Sacrifice-to Cover our Sins....PERIOD!
Many try to site other verses, but they are just supporting the details implicit to John 3:16.
I have not been to church or read the bible in years, but I own ten and did read it about ten times. Actually, the bible, other than text books, is the only book I've read in the past 50 years, but I did compose a simple hymn called the BIBLE...along with others not so simple.
I'd appreciate any Good and Godly comments about John 3:16. Thank you. :)
Part 1.
As I promised once I settle back at home I would reach out and continue our dialog on the 1st Adam and 2nd Adam.
RECAP.
As I said I don't believe God dwelled "IN" Adam. Below is some of the previous references below.
The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple.
( 1 Corinthians 3:16. )
( Hebrews 10:14-22. )
Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of ( 1 John 3:9. )
Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- ( 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. )
Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a
( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give us eternal life.
Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was made a living soul. So is our 1st birth.
Here is a quote from part 1 of your reply:
"When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.
If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12)." End quote.
In part 2 I will address the view I hold on Adam and Eve being naked.
See Part 2.
Thank you.
But if it helps, you can look at Matthew 18:1-10, where, in His discourse, Jesus spoke of little children & how we are to become like them; i.e. the innocence of children at that stage in life, whether or not they have been brought into the world legitimately or not. As you know, every person in the World is precious to God Who made us - and He has done everything possible to get His Word to us, so that we may know Him & be saved through His Son, Jesus' Sacrifice. So, the child who is innocent & without blame, even if its parents may have conceived him outside of lawful marriage, will still be acceptable to God (providing the child is still in the age of innocence). Once the child reaches the age (this age might vary) where it is conscious of sin, by planning to commit it, then the child is now accountable to God & needs to be saved - it needs to hear the Gospel & respond to it.
So, I believe that all children, before the age of accountability, are accepted unequivocally by God, no matter what their family situation might be, or the country of birth, or even the religious position of its parents. Rather, it should be of grave concern to the parents if they are in a sinful relationship, that they should set things right before God & all concerned.
Scripture does not give a definite answer on that subject but scripture does indicate that not only the devil but some angelic beings have access to one's mind _ Acts 5:3 Satan filled the heart of Ananias _ Luke 22:3 Satan entered Judas _ Matthew 1:20 -25 an angel came to Joseph in a dream _ Genesis 31:11 an angel of the Lord spoke to Jacob in a dream. One can argue that to have access to one's mine doesn't mean they can read your thoughts.
And there are these scriptures
Job 1:7-12 Satan before God discusses Job and the amount of access he can have to Just.
Ephesians 6:11-16 discusses to put on the whole armor of God and to *quench* the fiery darts of Satan.
James 4:7 tells us to *resist* the devil and *he will flee*.
1st Peter 5:8 tells us Satan is like a roaring lion *seeking* whom he can *devour.*
Revelation 12:10-12 the devil stands before God day and night accusing man, and woe to the inhabitants of the earth the devil has come down.
Scripture is clear - Jesus knew one's thoughts even while in a flesh body Matthew 9:4. To Jesus the spirit was given to him without measure John 3:34.
I believe Satan and certain angels have the ability to read some of someone's thoughts and Satan, being the accuser is allowed to influence those thoughts. I feel Satan and the angelic beings who have access to any thoughts of the minds/hearts of mankind are given a limited measure, unlike God who has full measure. Example what I'm going to eat for breakfast or what type of clothes I'm going to wear any given day isn't something they would need access to or even care about. But the part of the mind our decisions are made against good or for what we know is right, Satan knows our thoughts.
Thanks for responding, I had to go back review my reply to see if I had another type error. I can see where the confusion may have occurred. The first paragraph of Page 2 of my post was a continuation from Page one where I said "1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I dont believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him.
Meaning if Adam had God Spirit "IN" him as mentioned in 1 John 3:9. He can not sin, so he would have remained in the Garden. But he didn't and he was convicted a was driven out.
I will tie into the thread again this weekend.
Thanks and God bless.
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God Bless
1 John 5:19
Revelation 12:7-12
2 Timothy 3:1-7
How can we Avoid Satan wicked influence
Luke 4
Matthew 6:9,13
1Timothy 2:8
Matthew 19:22,23
Matthew 22:37-39
From Messenger:
Hope these scripture helps
not my words. These words are free.
John 3:16,17
2 Timothy 3:16,17