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God bless, Ron
Luke 13:28
I was raised in a baptist church; had numerous close relatives, great grandfathers, uncles and cousins that were and are baptist ministers. Until I was 70 years old I was died in the wool; pro free will, HELL and heaven taught. NONE would have convinced me to be otherwise. God turned my life upside down; or right side up. He shut every door. I live in the house I was born in. My grandparents lived there before my parents. The house is over 100 years old. The house was built before there was rural electricity or indoor plumbing. Over the years electricity and plumbing were added. These were added in the 30's and 40's. About the time I turned 70 the insurance company said they could no longer insure the house without the electrical being updated. I started rewiring the house; no sooner than I had the wiring tore out, a hail storm beat the shingles off the house. Then the cast iron plumbing rusted out allowing sewage to escape under the house. I was living on SS so couldn't fix everything. I had 3 light bulbs over my one chair, a bed and numerous pots and pans to catch leaking roof water and no indoor plumbing or hot water; but LOTS of time. All this the WORKS OF GOD. I would study the bible 18 hours a day seven days a week. God especially caused me to study the prophets and Revelation.
I did this about 5 years. I never read outside information or had other study material other than the KJB and the HOLY SPIRIT. About 10 months ago I started going to my daughter house to read the bible on line. My eyesight isn't so good and I don't like using the 3x reading glasses to see. I didn't know there was a forum like this to discuss the bible. At the end of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus; Jesus said if they want believe the law and prophets they want believe one raised from the dead.
I change my mine because you want find any prophecies of free will, HELL or heaven; only a KINGDOM.
As I see this comment was directed towards me I shall respond kindly.
I very much understand that people have their own beliefs. I respect that as even some of my brothers in Christ do not agree with everything I state. I don't condemn anyone. Though truth is what is most important to me. Please don't take that in that I think I'm smart. I am a humble person.
I myself have gone through believing that "everyone is to be saved" in the end. Thinking in the same sense of in your other post in that "God is love". As I've stated to Earl this would not bother me as whatever God's Will is I'm for that. Though that perspective did not hold up very long. As Christ teaches about "saved and unsaved" over ten times. Using statements of eternal punishment and eternal life. Eternal being the same Greek word "aionios" meaning just that in both cases.
I just really see it as if we say there is a hell and there really isn't, what wrong have we done in that many have come to repentance seeing these things being taught in the Holy Scriptures. Maybe making some be better people by fearing God as we are taught to do and this is the beginning of wisdom.
Though stating to people there is no hell, or eternal damnation/torment, and there really is. Maybe that made that person not care what they did and, live in sin and iniquity, not caring about anything or anyone but themselves. Ruining their chance at Salvation and eternal life. I would feel really bad.
As I just go by what the Scripture teaches and has been for thousands of years. Me bringing up people who have been dead and experienced things like paradise/heaven even meeting Jesus Christ also. Just what my journey has lead me to research and believe more in what the Holy Bible teaches.
Hope all is well Sacha.
God Bless.
Sacha, you are well read in the Scriptures, so I need not list even some of those passages which speak of suffering & an eternal torment. I would say that many of the people I've spoken to who also don't believe in a place of suffering, usually cannot fathom how a merciful loving God could consign anyone to such a place - surely there must be some respite & future forgiveness or else, the sinner must just disappear into non-existence into the earth.
Simply put, why I believe in a literal place of punishment & torment is because OF THE CROSS. You & I know that all of mankind are sinners & our sins have separated us from God ( Isaiah 59:2). So why should God provide such a Sacrifice for us? Since we ALL have to die physically, why not just let us "eat, drink & be merry" for only the grave lies before us?
Did Jesus, the Son of God, willingly lay down His Life just to give us better option of deliverance than just returning back to dust? True, the prospect of living eternally in God's Presence ought to be our desire, but for me (& from the preaching of Jesus & the apostles), the CERTAINTY of eternal torment (for my sins & rejection of God's salvation) is equally compelling for me to flee the sinful life & cleave to the One Who gives new life & hope. If there wasn't a hell, then God fails as a God of justice, as death alone is insufficient punishment for sin. ( Matthew 25:41). The fact that God provided us a place at Calvary proves that His Love was so great that warranted our preservation from a place far worse than death.
Please forgive me to reply to this but I feel to. I understand you don't believe in Hell, or eternal damnation, though I do and to me it seems it was a very important thing Christ taught. To Repent from sins/iniquity and follow Him down the straight and narrow path that leads to life eternal. As He is the way.
The Lord taught not all are going down that path. Matthew 7:13-14. Here He states not everyone is to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven Matthew 7:21. As He stated there shall be some to go away to everlasting punishment but the righteous to life eternal Matthew 25:31-46. Numerous parables of the wicked being separated from the just in the end Matthew 13:37-50.
Though if Luke 16:19-31, is a parable what it states is not hard to see. The man who suffered and begged died and was carried by angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man who lived lavishly and did not help Lazarus died and was in Hades in torment. Even though he begged for a touch of water He did not receive it. Just being told how Lazarus who suffered was now comforted and he was now in torment. Even when he begged that a message be sent to his family that they repent so they would not end up as he did. He was told that if they hear not Moses and the prophets, they would neither be persuaded by one raising from the dead.
I also don't understand how you think the "fire" of God that tries/chastens us and our works it the same as "eternal fire, torment and punishment".
Could you please explain some of these things? As I see it very dangerous to say a place of eternal damnation does not exist.
Have you ever looked into people who have died, came back to life, and actually experienced a place that is worse than we could imagine? Usually calling it hell and has converted many people to believing in Christ. What would you say to them?
I would never think to tell anyone hell is not real. What if it is and you were wrong? Making people think it doesn't matter what they do?
Thanks God Bless.
If Lazarus and and the rich man is not a parable; it makes Christ's words a lie:
Matthew 13:34 ALL these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES;and without a PARABLE SPAKE HE NOT UNTO THEM.
Luke 12:41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest this parable unto us, or even to all?
The disciples walked with Jesus three and one half years and never understood a word he said; UNTIL he took them aside and explained the PARABLES to them. Today you can't understand the PARABLES; unless CHRIST IN YOU explains them to you. Ask and you shall receive.
Ezekiel 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a FIRE in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming FIRE shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein.
Ezekiel 20:42 Then said I, Ah Lord God, Doeth he not speak in PARABLES?
Luke 12:49 I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be ALREADY KINDLED?
Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptised with; and how am I straightened till it be accomplished!
Matthew 3:11 ......he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost; and with FIRE.
John 10:6 Jesus spake this parable unto them: but they UNDERSTOOD NOT what things they were which he spoke to them.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming FIRE.
Be encouraged and God loves you John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Here are some scriptures that helped me when I was babe in Christ Psalms 32:8 , Acts 2:38 and 1 John 1:9 and I have been listening and learning on youtube-Honest News Network-Brother Joseph Skinner that has helped me get closer to God.
God bless you and keep you safe under his wings Psalms 17:8 and my prayers are with you that the Lord guide you in the way he wants you to go.
Part 1
A young fellow who had been attending a conference with me came up to talk. He had on a funny hat that had "love, love, love" written all over it.
I asked, "Why do you have 'love' written all over your hat?"
"Man, God is love," he said.
"Well," I said, "I agree with you. Nothing could be truer than that."
Then he added, "God saves us by His love."
"I don't agree with that," I said. "God doesn't save us by His love. Can you give me a verse that say He does?"
He scratched his head and thought a while and then admitted he couldn't think of one. "Well," he said, "if God doesn't save us by love, then how does He save us?"
"Very frankly, I'm glad you asked me that question because the Bible says, 'For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast'( Ephesians 2:8, 9). God saves us by His grace."
Then the boy wanted to know the difference. This is how I explained it to him:
God does love you. Don't lose sight of that. God loves all of us. But God cannot, on the basis of His love, open the back door of heaven and let us slip in under the cover of darkness. He can't let down the bars of heaven at the front door and bring us in because of His love.
God is also light. God is the moral ruler of this universe. God is righteous. He is holy and He is good.
That adds up to one thing: God cannot do things that are wrong-that is, wrong according to His own standard.
So God couldn't save us by love. Love had God strapped-we could say it put Him in a bind. He could love without being able to save. I thought you would quote John 3:16 to me. Let's look at what that verse says:
So that's all we know from this Book: Jude's warning to the readers of his epistle to be aware of such wickedness entering the Church. Re the occasion of the body of Moses, we know nothing about this event: what was the problem here, what was the accusation or what was reason for even bringing it up? Was it to do with the fact that God (by His angel?) buried Moses rather than being done by man ( Deuteronomy 34:1-8), or maybe Moses wasn't buried at all since his grave is unknown, or some other reason that the Devil brought up? So from this verse, we can't assume that the Devil was wanting Moses' body - we are not told what the contention (argument) was about.
If we believe what the Scripture says about Moses' body, then he was buried but he was still in spirit form when he appeared, along with Elijah, at Jesus' transfiguration ( Matthew 17:1-4). It could well be that his body was in the grave awaiting the resurrection, just as Abraham was in Luke 16:19-31. And in like manner, those who have now died believing in Christ Jesus, their spirits have been released to return to God, but their remains on the Earth will be reconstructed to rise in the resurrection, being given glorified bodies (1 John 3:2).
Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith (CHRIST IS OUR FAITH), preached before the GOSPEL unto Abraham, saying in thee shall all these nations be blessed.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, AS WELL AS UNTO THEM: but the word (CHRIST) preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them (CHRIST IN THEM) that heard it.
The GOSPEL IS:
2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest (Christ in the flesh) by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath ABOLISHED DEATH, and hath brought LIFE and IMMORTALITY to light through the gospel.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (alive to the flesh), for the devil sinneth from the beginning, For this purpose (gospel) the Son of Man was MANIFESTED, that he might destroy THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL.
This is the GOSPEL: You (seed of flesh) died on the cross with Christ and you (seed of Spirit) was RAISED with HIM.
The saints of old received this promise also at HIS RESURRECTION
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having received a good report through faith, received not the promise (victory over sin and death) (CHRIST IN US):
Hebrews 11:49 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect (accomplished at Christ death and resurrection).
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves at HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city (new Jerusalem), and appeared to many.
Through Jesus dying on the cross, He destroyed the power of Satan to hold people in the bondage of death.
In 1 John Chapter 3 Verse 8, he that committeth sin is of the devil. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
The word destroy in 1 John 3:8 means to unloose, unbind, untie.
So basically, Jesus came to destroy the work of the devil, and loosen, and unbind, and set people free from being underneath his influence and being a slave to sin.
If Satan had known he would have stopped the crucifixion because that would have stopped the plan of Satan's demise. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. The reason was fulfilling prophecy. Mark.4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
They were told the time when the Messiah would come in Daniel 9:25 but their time was up. and the old covenant was to be fulfilled and the new was not yet revealed. Jesus came the first time for the lost sheep of Israel and only the chosen by God was shown Jesus was the Messiah the Christ.
All the others, Matthew 13: 14-16 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
God bless, Ron
Yes, Jesus died not only for your sins but for the sins of the whole world, again given to us in 1 John 2:2. John 1:12 says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
Even though Christ died for our sins, a person must still receive Him in order to be saved. I don't like to use the words "accept Christ" because to me, accept just means to mentally agree with what Jesus did for us. A person has to literally receive Jesus Christ.
The entire salvation process is designed by God, from start to finish. Man plays no part in salvation other than surrendering their life to Jesus Christ. A person cannot save his/herself. The only thing we have to contribute to salvation is the sin from which we need to be saved from.
I hope I'm not making this confusing for you? If I may ask you, have you received Christ? Have you confessed your sin to Him and called upon His name ( Romans 10:13) for Him to have mercy on you and come into your life? Have you been born of His Spirit? ( John 3:3, John 1:13, John 3:6)
Surrendering one's life to Christ is the most important decision one will ever have to make!
John 3:16
For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Mishael Comment: God reveals himself to everyone. He has at some time in a persons life knocked on the door of their hearts, giving them them the faith to choose opening their hearts to receive.
Someone, at some time in our lives, has spoken of their faith in God, and we heard it. A friend, a relative, a Sunday church program on TV we flipped through, a billboard, someone's teeshirt in the grocery store, a bumper sticker....
Maybe a catastrophic accident that landed us or someone we love dearly, in the Hospital. We thought about loss, how do we live without them?
We get numerous chances to pause and consider the possibility of eternal something. Maybe God is real?
I've noticed that when something bad happens, that people often exclaim, "Oh God! Don't let this be."
Or, when we cut or burn ourselves in the kitchen, or a child is hurt playing; we grab the injured body part immediately (laying on hands)...
Everybody is being given chances to believe in the living God. TODAY if you receive that moment when God reaches out to you...harden NOT your heart. That's your moment. He's knocking on the door of your heart.
We all possess those "front door cameras" now, so we can see who is outside knocking. If it's someone we choose to pretend we aren't home: we don't open the door.
It's all about choices. It's not hard to respond to Gods calling. But do not think it's a deal you receive and then forget about 5 minutes later. It cost Jesus everything he had just to provide the opportunity to be a part of the Kingdom of God (heaven). Don't think Salvation is a cheap easy fix.
If you want to know more, go on YouTube and listen to some Greg Laurie sermons, if you don't know any favorite preachers? Once, I was lost as anyone can be. Let him come in.
For God so Loved the world-
That He gave His only begotten Son-
That whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting Love.
Love is trusting in our God--
Love is being faithful to your partner and familes-
Love is being kind and patient with the world around you-
Let us Love one another, for Love comes from God.
Everyone that Loves has been born of God, and knows God:
For He sent His one and only Son into the world that we might live through Him.
And in the end of our life and see His Father in Heaven, because of His sufferings on the cross for our sins in this world of evilness:
I just thought I would state this detail of a verse that came to light.
In Colossians 1:19. For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell;
As this is after speaking of Jesus Christ being the image of the invisible God and by Him and for Him were all things created. You may note that "the Father" is in italics in verse 19. Because in the Textus Receptus it is not there. It would actually read something like "for in Him it was pleasing that all the fullness dwelt".
Jesus Christ is more than a man and He existed before He was born. He was in on Creation. I can't understand how some would state that all the Words in His mouth were of His Father. Of coarse I understand the Father is in Him and giving Him all His Words to speak. Though you can easily see Jesus Christ is His own person with His own soul. Speaking to and of the Father constantly. Jesus Christ is most definitely ONE with the Father and just as much God though the Son. He is at the right Hand of God. A couple more verses stating He existed before He was born: John 3:12-13, John 6:38, John 5:45-47, John 6:62, John 8:58.
Maybe just to bring up the Angel of the LORD in the OT. Just one instance is Exodus 23:21. Not just a regular angel or even an archangel. How in Joshua 5:13-15. Where a Host of YHWH tells Joshua to take his shoes off for he is on Holy ground. As in Exodus 3:1-6. Again said to be an Angel of the LORD which is then stated as YHWH. God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Where Moses is told to take His shoes off. I would think because where YHWH is, is Holy ground.
I believe the Angel of the Lord in the OT is the pre incarnate Jesus Christ. Could I be wrong? Yes. As I have many other things to prove YHWH is not just one as normal people may perceive. Almighty God is ONE period.
I really don't know why people are trying to attack the deity of Christ. One day we will all have to stand before Him.
God Bless.
Those who receive the Holy Ghost do not normally speak in an unknown tongue, a tongue that only God understands. Unknown tongues yield little value on the spiritual spectrum. It's good between that person and God, but does nothing to enlighten others.
( 1 Corinthians 14:2-5;27,28)
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Unknown tongue restrictions:
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
vs 5: I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied...
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We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2 Corinthians 5:8
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