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We know that God the father had Jesus the son to redeem the lost.

As John 3:16 points out.

For God so loved the world he have his only begotten son. That who shall believe in him shall not parish but have external life.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. Therefore , we are saved by grace.

How do we know once we are saved that we are forever saved? I ask this because, if in our past after receiving salvation we were a good Christian for a while, yet this changed to a sinful nature. Then finally after several years, it is changed back into doing Gods will, and choosing to live for Him completely because, we realized our mistakes. What if during those years when we were not living for Jesus we were to have died. Would we still have gone to Heaven? Where does the Bible say once saved always saved? Is it only in John 3:16? I was reading where a man got on a bad road after being saved he got into drugs, immoral acts, and such. He died and saw he was in hell. He cried out to Jesus and was brought back to life. He then turned his life into a life of ministry. So, my question is this! Was this something perhaps God did to wake this saved man up, and place him back into His will by letting him get a glimpse of hell? I am now unsure since I use to do bad things after I was saved, and almost died in a coma would I have gone to hell if I had not lived? I simply want to know how we know for certainty we definitely are saved. Thank you, and God Bless!

Hello Earl,

If I may just ask you a question or two. To say "most will not believe this" I'm not sure what you mean. Are you implicating that there is no such thing as "saved and unsaved"? Are you stating all are to be saved no matter what??

Of coarse I believe God uses all, just and unjust, to fulfill His Will as He is always in control. Though I don't see all being saved which would basically make the whole Holy Bible of no avail. Also it would mean actually, like some people push today, that there is no "right or wrong". Which is of the devil or what he would want people to believe.

Also with the word "creature" which is the Greek word "ktisis" which basically means "the original formation or created being". To me this means our human(physical) body and as children of God, who are with the Lord, wait earnestly for our glorified bodies. Are you taking the word "creature" to mean like a "devil" or evil person against God? Maybe mixing them up?

It would be nice to think everybody is going to be saved and go to Heaven. Though that is not what the Bible teaches. As in 1 John 3:7-10 that all are not children of God. Also many teachings of Jesus Christ. As God makes some vessels to show his wrath unto destruction and some to show the riches of His glory and mercy to be glorified. All for His Will.

In the end the Lord is the Judge not me. Please correct me if anything I said was off and I went too far with my post. Thank you Earl.

God Bless.

Hello Sarah, Only Jesus that came to the world was true and faithful, but God honors order and order supports the poor which will aways be.

John 15:19

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

I know of a minister that was convicted of sin and turned his life in repentance to Jesus as he was jumping on a bed with his younger brothers and sisters upstairs in an old house. From below his mother called to the children while she labored to stop jumping on the bed. Well of course it was too much fun and they continued. At least one more warning came from below went unheeded. Finally the mother started up the stairs and this boy heard her coming and quickly got off the bed and sat in a nearby chair when she arrived while the others were jumping still. All on the bed were punished. Time continued for a while until this boy felt the call of God and God called him to repentance in this disobedience and hidden deceit. He answered that call!

We should obey those that have rule over us as it allows us to live as the quiet of the land as Christian witnesses to the Truth's of God.

As you can see this boy did not have any association with abortion, but his testimony would be if he had not repented, he was destined to hell.

It should be a comfort that any innocent soul lost by somebody's else sin is saved by the blood of Jesus at Calvary. In the time of persecution girls as young as 12 were buried alive vertically given many chances to recant infant baptism instead of counting their born again experience as their drawing to their glory in the Cross.

God bless our meditations.

John, yes, I obeyed. Amen.

Acts 2:38 is the New Testament salvation. It's for everyone near & far. Jesus spoke this in John 3:3-5 that we can not enter the kingdom of God w/o water & the Spirit. There is blood in that water. Hallelujah

Richard, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

We are the TEMPLE OF GOD, the HOLY OF HOLY (Christ in you) is now in us along with the TRUE MERCY SEAT (HIS blood now covering us) The old was a shadow of the HEAVENLY. We are the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS. JESUS IS THE TEMPLE we have become ONE TEMPLE.

John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven (shadow of the NEW HEAVEN) .....

Revelation 21:5 .....I make all things new...

Revelation 21:1 ....new heaven and a new earth.... God's hew home (TRUE HEAVEN) with a body now longer made of the dust of earth; but of THE GLORY OF CHRIST.

1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed DWELL ON EARTH (the shadow was the tent in the wilderness; afterwards Solomon's temple)? behold, the heaven (old) and the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (new) cannot contain THEE. How much less the house I have builded? God is INDEED DWELLING ON EARTH; but now in the NEW.

My comments addressed all the godless humanist "ISM's - among which, ZIONISM, 1896, and NOT the book of Genesis, which is also God's living Word prophesying the coming of Christ Jesus Messiah Lord God Savior Redeemer in GENESIS 3:15, KJV, where Christ is referred to as THE SEED OF WOMAN, and not as "descendant" or "offspring" that begs focus and concentration on carnal biological genealogical flesh lineage that contradicts God's Word in the Book of John that we are BORN OF GOD and that THE FLESH IS OF NO AVAIL ( JOHN 1: 1-18; JOHN 3:16; JOHN 6:63; JOHN 17:3; HEBREWS 8:13; HEBREWS 13:8; REVELATION 1:7; REVELATION 20, 21, 22, KJV 1611, HOLY BIBLE). ***

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For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 4:11

Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

The 2 words, The World, means Everybody.

Everybody is a candidate to enjoy Gods love and affection; His guidance; and much more.

I'm one of those people too! :)

I was interpreting a natal horoscope to a Methodist (on Yom Kippur); when the Lord appeared in a vision! I was in shock with conviction. I got my 25lb tv Bible and started reading all verses about stars, astrology, the death penalty for doing those things. I confessed I deserve to die.

Then I saw a vision of hell in the floor. Dense, dark, twisting roots, screaming; vile, unclean, loathsome! I stood on a chair.

I sensed a Hand being held out to me, from the ceiling. I could not see it, but I was convinced it was there. I reached up and closed my fingers.

I fell into the floor but hell had disappeared. I was delivered from who knows how many demons. If you serve satan knowingly or even unknowingly, you are in-dwelt and oppressed. I passed out.

I woke up, day 1 with the Holy Spirit. Everything looked the same, but I knew it was different. I cleaned "house" all day of everything occult. I filled a 35 gallon trash can with occult books, encyclopedic, planet and star charts.

I dragged it all into the garage. I didn't know I needed a witness. 2 days later the Methodist came back. I told what happened: I was saved. We rejoiced. I drag the stuff out to the patio; with charcoal lighter and matches. It was a metal can, I lit it up. No one called the fire dept on me.

ACTS 19:19. The Holy Spirit was helping me walk out the New Birth. Earlier that day I poured out booze, flushed lots of pills I was sorta planning my suicide with, pot, cigarettes.

Next day I sat on the sofa waiting for the DT's to kill me. Got sleepy went to bed. Next day, same thing. Third evening I realized I had been delivered from detox and withdrawal. Talk about joy and happiness!! I was going to live and declare the Greatness of Jesus Christ all the days of my remaining life.

And here I am, born again, blood washed, over-coming child of the Most High God. Holy Spirit filled and educated. Choose Jesus Today.

Wally,

I agree that the bible uses the word sleep or sleepeth as a term for death. It is the physical body that is put in the grave and the physical body lying there gives the appearance of a person sleeping. We know that Lazarus was dead for a few days and Jesus said he was sleeping. So yes, sleep does refer to death, physical death.

However, there is a living spirit/soul in everyone that departs the physical body upon death. The physical body goes into the grave but the soul departs immediately.

You mention that "The Bible clearly states that there will be those who are thrown into the Lake of Fire which is symbolic of total, complete, elimination, never to be seen again."

I say those who are cast into the Lake of Fire are those who were not part of the first resurrection. When you say elimination, do you mean the same as annihilation? My understanding is that those who are cast into the lake of fire will neither be eliminated nor annihilated, but will suffer for eternity.

I do believe that when a believer dies (Physical death) their soul immediately is in the presence of the Lord. You say that a person "does not go directly to Heaven or Hell, nor anywhere for that matter, but the grave? But then add that the grave is Hell." That sounds contradicting. If they don't go to Heaven or Hell, but you say the grave is Hell, where do they go?

Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Where's the Lord? Jesus dying on the cross told the man on the cross next to Him that today you will be with me in paradise. That man died. Where did he go? Paradise doesn't sound much like Hell to me.

Your advice on reading the Holy Bible is great advice. It's how we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As far as a 501C3 preacher goes, I do not know what that is? I do know that there are some great pastors/bible teachers out there. But, as the Bereans did, we are to search the scriptures to see if those things line up!

Not sure about Lazarus being dead nor the rich man nor Father Abraham in the story told by the Son of God. There was complete separation between Lazarus in the comfort of the bosom of Abraham and the rich man. We also know the rich man was of thirst and willing for any possible chance of recovery. If no recovery was possible at least a warning to his brethren who thought they understood their place in Abraham like he did when he was alive in the flesh. The gulf between the eternal blessing upon Lazarus and the eternal separation thereof of the rich man is the difference between heaven and hell. The body (flesh) of Jesus was crucified unto death for us if we can be that one whom the dogs licked the sores of by the gate.

Hi Wally58,

So it's seeming that you know everything about after this life in your post? What would you say to all the people who have had NDE experiences and have been dead. Experiencing things like Jesus Christ, a Heavenly place, others who were deceased, a Hell like place of darkness, out of body experiences, etc? Miracles coming back to life. Some of these people being atheist and this is what converted them to the Lord. I have met one personally myself. Would you just call them all liars?

What would you say to me about all my experiences that most in this world, probably you as well, probably would not believe? After giving my life to Jesus Christ.

So you do not believe in the resurrection of Christ?

God makes the rules not men and no preacher taught me anything. The Holy Ghost is my teacher.

God Bless.

Hi Wally58 ,thankyou soo much for that ,simple truth !

When you are dead, you are, for lack of better words, ASLEEP! You do not go directly to Heaven or Hell, nor anywhere for that matter, but the grave - which is Hell. Per the Strong's Concordance, Hell = Sheol, covered pit or hole in the ground - grave. So, in effect, we ALL go to HELL in death. When dead, you see nothing, know nothing, hear nothing, think nothing, period. You are just waiting for Christ to return and resurrect you from the dead state. If you are not raised, then perhaps that is eternal separation from YAHWEH GOD, which might be called Hell or damnation in a general sense. The Bible clearly states that there will be those who are thrown into the "Lake of Fire" which is symbolic of total, complete, elimination, never to be seen again. Going to heaven after death was not mentioned in the Old Testament, but "Sleeping with My Fathers" was several times, such as old Jacob Israel said to Joseph. Heaven as a place of after-death-living was a fairly recent skewing of Biblical text. Christ Yahshua told us Himself that "No man but the one standing before you has been to Heaven" or words to that effect. Heaven is another dimension that we are not privy to. And remember, Christ is COMING TO EARTH, not us going to Him in Heaven. Remember, several of the myths of going to Heaven are taken from Christ's Parables such as the Rich Man and Lazarus. Christ spoke of the Rich man being across a gulf which was purely symbolic. Parables were ONLY for illustrating a point and were NOT to be taken literally. There is no gulf where you go to rest and where you can see folks in Heaven and they can see you as well. Christ Himself did not simply "morph" from one state to another after dying on the cross. He was DEAD AS A DOORNAIL and in Sheol for 3 days and nights. He did not go visiting folks in a mythical Hell nor go anywhere for that matter. Otherwise, he did not actually die and therefore, did not cleanse you of your sins. Stop listening to your 501C3 preacher and read the HB

"for in the day thou eatest thereof thereof thou shall surely die" Genesis 2:16-17

"by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men" Romans 5:12

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?..." 1 Corinthians 6:9

"But your iniquities have separated between you and you God" Isaiah 59:2

"the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:4

"shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" Revelation 21:8

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" Revelation 20:14-15

"For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

"And all things are lf God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ...To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

"Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" John 1:17

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8

"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ" Ephesians 2:13

"and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

"the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom" Matthew 27:51

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace" Ephesians 1:7

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:14-15

"But God commendeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

"And of his fulness have all received, and grace for grace" John 1:16

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by washing of regeneration of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to eternal life" Titus 3:4-7

"In keeping of them is great reward" Psalms 19:11

"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good" Romans 7:12

"the law is spiritual" Romans 7:14

"Sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

"Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" Galatians 3:10

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:14

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" Galatians 3:10

"weak through the flesh" Romans 8:3

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight" Romans 3:20

"having no hope, and without God in the world" Ephesians 2:12

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all of our righteousness are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" Isaiah 64:6

"We have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one...There is no fear of God before there eyes...For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:9-23

"the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" Romans 1:18

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off" Romans 11:22

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Thank you Sacha - I welcome all responses, as whatever is shared, unless completely in opposition to God's Word, can be useful for our knowledge & spiritual growth in the things & ways of God. So I agree, God did choose to have His Son born through a human, even though all humans are imputed with a sinful nature. And yes, I believe there was a reason for doing so.

At the foundation of Jesus' arrival & His Sacrifice, lies the unfathomable Love of God for mankind: John 3:16 & Romans 5:8 attest to it. To His people, Israel, that Love extended to the institution of the Law & the sacrificial system, so that through its performance, God's Anger against their sin was appeased & His Love declared in providing them a way out: a blood sacrifice was needed (through a pure spotless animal) so that life was paid for life (a substitutionary payment: Mark 10:45; 1 Peter 3:18). But that was for a time until Jesus came to fulfil the Will of God His Father ( Hebrews 10:5-10).

Since the animal sacrifices were temporary because of their inability to fully address the sin issue, they had to be a continual sacrifice, they gave no relief to man's consciences & never fulfilled God's eternal Plan, so at "the due time" God sent His Son to fully meet those shortcomings. God could have sent a specially created Lamb to fulfil this work or as some believe, a specially created Human to lay down His Life for sinners. So why didn't God do this?

Ultimately, the reason for this is in the Mind of God, but no doubt His Love for all, His requirement for a Perfect Sacrifice that fulfilled all His Demands & that there would be no further need nor better option to accomplish that Will, are a few of my thoughts. John 15:13 says, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Was not Jesus intimating that the fullest expression of Love is seen in one's unreserved willingness to sacrifice his own life because of the love for another?

"took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" Philippians 2:7

"his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" Romans 8:3

"The first man Adam is of the earth, earthy: the second man Jesus is the Lord from heaven" 1 Corinthians 15:47

"He can not deny himself" 2 Timothy 2:13

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever" Hebrews 13:8

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acception, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15

"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Luke 19:10

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This signifying what death he should die" John 12:32-33

John Chapter 19- whole chapter

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins" Ephesians 1:7

"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver or gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" 1 Peter 1:18-19

"And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2

"Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it" Acts 2:24

1 Corinthians Chapter 15 whole chapter

"His name shall be called...The mighty God" Isaiah 9:6

"My Lord and my God" John 20:2

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest" Luke 1:32

"that Holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16

"And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" John 1:34

"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" Matthew 3:17

"God sent his only begotten Son into the world" 1 John 4:9

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" Matthew 16:16

"The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" 1 John 4:14

"And thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" Matthew 1:21

"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20

"But when the fulness of the time was to come, God sent his Son" Galatians 4:4

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14

"Behold, thou shall conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS" Luke 1:31

"Then said Mary to the Angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" Luke 1:34

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

" Thou son of David, fear not to take Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost" Matthew 1:20

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14

"I am the bread of life....This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from Heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" John 6:48-51

Greetings in Jesus name, Mike.

If I may, please allow me to offer some correction.

Jesus Christ told Nicodemus in John 3:3 that a man must be born again to SEE the kingdom of God. 1 Peter 1:23 is how one is born again, being convicted by the word and knowing they are a sinner and who Jesus is and what He did.

Jesus then told Nicodemus in John 3:5, a man must be born of water and the Spirit to ENTER the kingdom.

Acts 2:38 is how one obeys the gospel of Jesus Christ and is born of water and the Spirit: repenting & being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost which will cause you to speak in an unknown tongue.

You see, there's a big difference between seeing something and entering it. I can see a ferrari on the street, but that doesn't mean I'm in it.

Obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ is how one is able to enter the kingdom of God.

Yea, Paul preached the gospel of the Death, Burial, & Ressurection of Christ.

Acts 2:38 is how one obeys the gospel & has their (past) sins remitted and the blood applied to their life.

Repentance = Death (dying to the flesh & the old man)

Baptism in Jesus' name = burial with Christ

Receiving the Holy Ghost = resurrection in the Spirit and power to walk after the Spirit & not the flesh

Praise the Lord.

I pray you can receive these important truths.

Sincerely,

Andrew

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

(1 John 3:18-19 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.

Amen.

Praise the Lord!

Revelation 13:8

King James Version

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Does this mean there was a lamb up in heaven with it's throat slit before God said, "let there be light." ?

Of course not.

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

As you said, of a truth, all Christians (born again of the word 1Peter 1:23/ John 3:3 and baptized in Jesus' name and filled with His Spirit John 3:5/ Acts 2:38)

had glory with the Father before the world was. Does this mean we were physically or spiritually there with the Father in heaven? Of course not.

The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron.

Noone has ever pre-existed oneself.

If only people would (as your name suggests) read their bible, and stop listening to deceived men (theologians/ lying "pastors") they would be free indeed - John 8:31-32.

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

It was over before it began.

Hallelujah!

No worries Chris,

You only get two admonitions.

God has a 2 strike law.

However, to answer your earnest questions..& to reiterate what the Scripture shows forth:

We aren't splitting hairs.

The deity of the man Christ Jesus is His Father (God). This does not make Him a separate god "of a triune co-equal triple god".

Where you and I differ is when you read the word Godhead: you understand it to be plural, when Godhead is a singular noun. In Spanish bibles it is written deidad; which simply means deity.

Likewise, when you read the word; Word in John 1:1 and 1:14 you understand it to mean: son or Christ.

Such is the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers/TheoLOGIANs who have changed the meaning of words.

I certainly am no better than you, as I use to believe the same, until I was washed from those lies by the word of God.

When John 1:1 says: "and the Word was God."

I understand it as it is written, that the Word was God (the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ).

How did God create everything in Genesis 1? He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth.

1 John 5:7-8 KJV

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

These verses are not speaking about a "trinity". Rather verse 7 is speaking about God the Father (who is the Word and the Holy Spirit). And verse 8 is speaking about the baptism of water and Spirit ( John 3:5) by which you have the blood covering. It is a blood covenant.

Finally I submit to you to meditate on these verses of Scripture:

1 John 5:20-21

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Sincerely,

Andrew

As no one person is exactly the same as another. Just as well there is many different beliefs to interpreting the Scriptures. Which is said to have no private interpretation. ( 2 Peter 1:20-21.

As this has been discussed before I will put my portion. I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. He is the only begotten Son of God. Though He was more than just a "sinless" man. He was part man part God. Born of a virgin who was conceived by the Holy Ghost ( Matthew 1:20, Luke 1:30-35. Even at age twelve He astonished people who heard Him. He knew God was His Father then Luke 2:47-49. To me showing He did not just receive the Holy Ghost(Spirit of God) at His water baptism in the Jordan. If the sign of the Spirit descending from Heaven like a dove was for just a sign for John or for His supernatural powers only God knows. John 1:32-34.

If some think that believing Jesus Christ is more that just a man is taking something away from the Father. God wants us to honor His Son as He is the only way to the Father. Scriptures pointing to Him being more than "just" a man John 3:12-13, John 3:33-35, John 3:38, John 8:54-58, John 17:3-5, Colossians 1:12-20, Hebrews 1:1-4.

Also titles Jesus Christ, the Son of God, uses like Alpha and Omega(first and last) in the beginning of Revelation. The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, being King of kings and Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14. Also the Word of God and King of kings and Lord of lords given to the man riding the white horse out of Heaven. I believe is Jesus Christ.

Besides all of the miracles He performed. Him being transfigured on the mountain Matthew 17:2.

There is one True Holy Living Almighty God. Saying the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost are one. Also as how many verses I have that state the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God, and the Holy Ghost are in us after being saved. To me showing Jesus Christ is the Word of God and one with God and the Holy Ghost.

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.

OnlytruthintheworldKJV, you were concerned of the time and dates on the 70th week ending and feel there is 3 years left. There are not any dates or time in the scriptures so we have to look at the recorded dates in history. This is the closest dates I can find in history records but it should be within a margin of erra, may it answer your doubts.

The 70 weeks of 7= 490 years. 483 years when Jesus was baptized. History places this around 29AD. Jesus' ministry was 3 years by the number of Passovers Jesus went to according to scriptures. We are at 486 years. Stephen's death is recorded around 36AD. This is around the same time Jesus stopped confirming the New Covenant through is Apostils and Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius and the gospel went to the Gentiles.

This prophecy was determined upon Israel and Jerusalem not the world, and these six things were to be fulfilled. See for yourself if these were fulfilled by Jesus. 1 To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Hebrews 9:15-18) 2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) (1 John 3:5) ( Romans 8:3) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19) 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( 2 Corinthians 5:21) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) 6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 9:6-14).

The 3 years in Revelation starts when Satan is cast down and gives his power to the beast, not connected with the 70 weeks. If not clear its ok.

God bless Andrew, Ron

If you believe in God and Jesus is your Lord and Savior, and have been baptized you will receive the Holy Spirit. But if you believe in God and Jesus is your Lord and Savior, and have not been baptized will you still go to Heaven be not receive the Holy Sprit while your alive?

On both accounts Also Believe that Jesus is God's son who was sent as a sacrifice.

Thank you, Hope you have a Blessed Palm Sunday 2021

Well praise the Lord if you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ!

That's the first half of being born of water & Spirit Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 necessary to enter into the kingdom.

As to Christ being the Word, that is a lie from the pit of hell to get people to believe in a "pre-incarnate Christ" and a "trinity" (words not found in the Holy Scriptures), so that they don't know the Son of God, and He will tell them, "depart from me I never knew you" as you referenced in Matthew 7.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Amen. How did God create everything? By His word. It doesn't say "and the word was Christ."

And the word was made flesh ( John 1:14).

God was manifest in the flesh ( 1 Tim 3:16)

Amen.

When was God manifest in the flesh?

Luke 3:22

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Amen.

When the Holy Spirit (God) descended upon and began to dwell in His Son, God was manifest in the flesh, and then Jesus began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.

Which brings us to the root of our conversation. Murmuring or babbling (i.e. sha la la ba ba like you can hear in some "pentecostal/apostolic" churches) is not evidence of having received the Holy Ghost. However, as I said; the fake tongues do not invalidate the real thing. The Book of Acts shows forth that anytime someone received the Holy Ghost they spoke in another tongue (be it of men or angels). If you can show me, from the scriptures, an instance that someone received the Holy Ghost by "feeling peace" then I will gladly stand corrected, but I have not found any such scripture. I wouldn't trust a "personal experience" over what the word of God says.

Isaiah 55:1

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

John 3:13: This chapter finds Jesus talking with Nicodemus about heavenly/spiritual things, which sadly, Nicodemus was ignorant of. He asks in verse 9, "How can these things be?", or in other words, 'Jesus, you're telling me strange things which I find impossible to accept & believe in'. So Jesus goes on to tell him that it's not only heavenly things but also earthly things that he doesn't understand. Then verse 13 refers to Jesus being the only one that is qualified to bring 'that heavenly light' to people as He was the one to come down from Heaven. And none else filled this position or was qualified, as not even Elijah or Enoch or even the OT saints have gone into Heaven & come back to Earth to reveal such Divine insights.

Psalm 2:7: This is one of many Messianic Psalms which have a reference to the coming Messiah (see also Psalms 8, 16, 22, 34, 35, 40, etc.). David would not have had full knowledge of what God had put on his heart to write, except that God did have a plan, that through David there would be in the future an everlasting kingdom ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13). Whether David felt there was some reference to him in Psalm 2:7, is not known, but he knew ultimately that these words did not apply only to Him but to Another, as we read the whole Psalm. Even the NT writers referred to it: Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5, indicating that they too saw Psalm 2:7 as ultimately referring to the Messiah. So, you're correct that it is God speaking to (or, inspiring) David to write the Psalm, but many Psalms & other OT writings are prophetical pointing to Jesus, as even Jesus Himself looked back at those prophecies that spoke of Him & urged others to do so ( John 5:39).

Man shall not liue by bread alone, but by euery word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Every word means just what it says. God's mystery is written in parables. These two letter words are just as meaningful as any other words. Thy kingdome come. Thy will be done, in earth, as it is in heauen.(in earth) one must be careful here to understand the spiritual meaning, not the physical meaning. It is actually saying; Thy will be done in the physical(earth) as it is in the spiritual(heaven). blasphemie against the holy Ghost, shall not bee forgiuen vnto men. The Holy Ghost is the spiritual baptism given to a few by the Father through Jesus the Christ. He mediates this anointment. Once anointed one cannot sin ( 1John 3:8-9) making blaspheme of the Holy Ghost impossible which eliminates the unforgivable sin spoken of. I could never go against the teaching of my brother Jesus Christ. Read throughly 1Cor 15:24-28, it answers if and when God shall be all in all, that time is yet to come. And when all things shall bee subdued vnto him, then shal the Sonne also himselfe bee subiect vnto him that put all things vnder him, that God may be all in all. If defilement could occur then God the Father would be judged as mistaken, heaven forbid. God makes no mistakes. The word 'if' puts a condition on the statement that follows it. God's decision making is never wrong so a judgement of God would never occur. Many statements in God's word are proceeded by 'if', be careful to under stand their true spiritual meaning, they are there for a reason just as 'in' and 'on' have their purpose. When one understands these words put there by God the Father one's walk becomes wholesome and one's faith grows into knowledge, knowledge no man can takeaway. May God's grace be with you.

Part 2 Bible plan for tongues

Acts 9: 17, 18,

Paul, called Saul then, who wrote a lot of the new testament, recieved the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 14:18:

Paul mentions he thanks God he speaks with tongues more than you all!

Paul wrote chapters 12, 13, and 14 about spiritual gifts, the proper use of speaking in unknown/other tongues.

Acts 10,

a man name Cornelius, a gentile, a devout man of God, who prayed always to God, had not yet known of or recieved the Holy Ghost.

Peter was sent to him and his household by the Lord, he preached to them the Gospel, and the Holy Ghost fell on Cornelius household, all gentiles! The bible says because they heard(visual sign and sound)them speak with tongues and magnify God! Then they were baptised! Acts 10: 44 - 48.

Acts 19: 1 - 7:

Paul came to disciples of John, asking them if they had recieved the Holy Ghost SINCE THEY BELIEVED! They said they never heard of the Holy Ghost! Paul laid hands on them, when the Holy Ghost fell on them, they spake with tongues(Visual sign/sound). They were baptized in water.

In conclusion:

Mark 16: 17,

Isaiah 28: 11, 12,

John 3: 5 - 8,

Jesus spoke of a new birth to enter the Kingdom of God; a Water and Spirit birth/called the Holy Ghost.

He said there would be a visible sign;

like wind you cannot see, but there is a SOUND.

In his Name believers would speak with new tongues.

Isaiah prophesied this would be the rest/refreshing for the people.

In the book of Acts this is fullfilled consistently when the Holy Ghost was poured out!

God's Spirit in you: the rest/refreshing, a visual sign of his presence in you, speaking from your heart out of your human mouth a new heavenly language, pure, beautiful and Holy!