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Mark 16:15 KJV says "... Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.". That is an order from God and even though it's hard to talk to people right now, we have electronics, we can still spread the gospel. We don't know what will happen or when so we need to tell people about God's word and what he did for all ( John 3:16) it woul be our fault if we knew someone was not saved and we didn't do anything about it and they go to hell to spend eternity.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Note: verse 17 is another WARNING form GOD to a specific group. In 17 Jehovah /GOD assures this group that the dragon has declared war against them /those which keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ, therefore one must ensure he or she has applied the WORD of GOD as prescribed, example see John 3:16-21. Being in this specific group give one access to the WHOLE ARMOUR of GOD each day of our earthly life thereby we can stand by the STRENGTH of GOD in our daily battles.

One does not have to be baptized with water to enter the Kingdom of God. Salvation is a free gift from God, no strings attached. Born of water is amniotic fluid. All earthly life begins in water. God's Word refers to both the physical and the spiritual throughout beginning with Genesis 2:7. What if you died prior to your day of baptism. And, Christians no longer wait 40 days to receive The Holy Ghost. When one accepts Christ, right then and right there, the Holy Ghost begins to dwell within you.

All physical life begins in water. It has nothing to do with God's Word nor Baptism. Think of all the denominations that sprinkle versus fully immerse. Everlasting Life comes to us by way of being born again in Spirit.

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the RESURRECTION and the LIFE, he that believeth in me, though he were dead yet shall he live 26 and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Note: The same question JESUS asked back then remains for you and I in 2020, never-the-less, the question for us in 2020 is: Believest thou that JESUS is the RESURRECTION and LIFE and anyone that believeth in JESUS though that person were dead SHALL LIVE and anyone that beliveveth in JESUS SHALL never die. Through John 3:16-21 I believeth all stated in verse 25-26, and looking forward to being at the Marriage Supper of the LAMB.

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You may not be able to do Scriptural comparisons, since only the very learned who know both the Bible & Quran well are able to do, so all you can do is:

a. tell them that we (Christians) agree that the Bible as given to us by God, is complete from beginning (with Creation) to the end (destruction of the Earth & the bringing in of the new heavens & Earth freed at last from sin's corruption). And God warns us in Revelation 22:18,19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." So what Jesus (by the Angel) has said, is that we are forbidden to add anything more to what God has revealed to us or else God will judge us.

b. the Muslim will then say to you that this is false & why has Allah then given us the Quran? You cannot enter into debate about this as you & I can't give clear answers about Quranic writings, but we can tell them the reason why ONLY the biblical message is important: that is, we are all sinners (Muslims will agree to that, though their understanding about sin is slightly different to ours), & as sinners God has to judge us (because He is Holy & Just), we're found guilty as a result & sent to Hell forever. We earlier did tried to obey God & do our best, but all our good efforts were not acceptable to Him & we remained guilty. But since God loves us so much ( John 3:16), He had to do something permanent: He gave of Himself, through Jesus, the "Word of God" & (a Soul) (Quran calls Him Kalimat'ullah, (Surah 4:171).

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Hello, why do you assume Paul is illiterate? The apparent contradiction of the word 'voice' of the these 2 verses of Acts doesn't mean automatically mean Paul is lying. The men heard a sound but didn't understand the words of the voice. 22:9 says "heard not the voice of him that spake to me" means the words were not understood. The original Greek word appears to be a flexible one that is sometimes translated to 'sound', like in John 3:8.

Following on my 1st response, Joshua. The JW also point out that Christ is a "a Son", John 3:16, 1 John 4:10. They see Him as a created being Hebrews 2:17. But they miss the point. Philippians 2:9 says Jesus was exalted, elevated to a higher position, promoted. But do these all miss the meaning of what is said? Is there a difference between Jesus the Son of Man, and Christ the Eternal Preexisting God, Creator of all things, Colossians 1:16.

It is that distinction that many fail to see. The Coptic Manuscript should not be taken on its own. It might be the oldest, but that doesn't mean it is correct. Taken in context is is clear the import is The Word IS God, 2 Peter 1:3. He is Devine.

CHRIS IT NOT FOR ME TO KNOW WHETHER YOU WERE PREDESTINED OR NOT.THAT,S BETWEEN GOD AND YOU.And I believe GOD was aware of everything you do before you do it. Ecclesiastes 11:5 says as you do not know what is the way of the wind,Or how the bones grow in the womb of her who is with child,So you do not know the works of GOD who makes everything.You see I believe it,s GOD and Me, GOD and you, GOD and every individual right on up the line.Every relationship with GOD is personal.I,m reminded of what Peter asked JESUS and the answer JESUS gave him in John21:21&22.Don,t worry about the other man ,you follow Him.talking about tracts,stumbling past buildings going through crisis may all be true if GOD chooses to use it.JESUS told Nicodemus,you must be born again.WE must be born again to be able to enter into His Kingdom John 3:8 read.I believe at the appointed time-----those that GOD has chosen will acknowledge Him (JESUS)as LORD and SAVIOR to the GLORY of GOD the FATHER.(PHIL.2:11)What did Paul do, did he have any tracts to read?What did the thief on the cross do,past by a church and felt guilty for not going to church/No it was the appointed time.GOD used JESUS to accomplish salvation for the lost sheep.A free gift from GOD.What do you have to do if something is free/I say treasure it . Ephesians 2:8&9 GOD Bless.

Melva,

That is a great question. From my understanding, Enoch was taken by God to be with Him in heaven. But John 3:13 says no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven. I have never heard your question asked before but I can see where it might be raised (No pun intended). In John 3:13, Jesus is giving Nicodemus an answer to his question in Verse 9.

Jesus is saying that I am the only one that has come down from heaven, but if I tell you earthly things and you don't get it, and you are the master teacher, how will you understand spiritual things? Nicodemus should have associated the Lord's teaching to Ezekiel Chapter 37 Verses 1 through 15.

This is where God takes the prophet and He shows them a valley of dead bones and says this is Israel. Spiritually dead! And He says to him, prophecy over these bones that flesh would come on them. And the bones came together and the flesh came on the bones. And then He says prophecy to the wind that the wind would blow on them and breathe life in them. And he prophesies and the wind blows and they are filled with life and spirit.

And so God's promise to His people Israel is that you are spiritually dead until my Spirit gives you life. But right now you are spiritually dead! And He tells Nicodemus, you should have known what I was talking about. How can you be the master teacher in Israel and you don't know anything about being born from above? You don't know anything about the wind blowing, and how the spirit moves!

I guess if I were trying to see the difference between Enoch being taken to heaven, and Christ ascending into heaven, I would look at as God took Enoch. Enoch did not ascend up to heaven on his own. But Jesus did. He rose from the grave Himself. And He ascended up to heaven Himself. No man can do that, not even Enoch.

I believe on it. Where was he taken. Also when you read John 3:13. How does it apply?

Jayden, I always look at the Bible as a whole: yes, even in its time span of thousand of years, with people with almost unpronounceable names, living in parts of the world that we hardly can place now. You know what I see in all this? I see myself. I see that those people in those olden times had the same feelings & difficulties in life that I go through. They still had laws to follow & they still had to live with the dictates of their own conscience. Some were rich, others in dire poverty. Some were very religious worshipping God, others made their own gods (idols). Some tried to do good for others, but then some accused them of doing evil & tried to hurt them. So, I see the Bible as not only the history of the world (which often you can't read about from books in the library), but also a mirror which shows me, my life, my struggles, my needs and of course, how far I had gone away from the God Who made me and loved me.

If you are wondering whether to open this Book from God & do what He says, I urge you to begin reading (maybe start with Genesis to learn about the Creator God & his chosen people, Israel. In Genesis, you will find how the first man & woman disobeyed God & became sinners. That sin nature we now all have which was passed down to us. God could have wiped us out forever, but His Love for us prevented Him doing this. He saw that man couldn't obey His Law perfectly to get right with Him, so He came Himself to this Earth, in the person of Jesus Christ, His Son, to give His Life on our behalf as payment for our sins. This was such great love, that God would save us & satisfy His Anger to sin, to promise us eternal life ( John 3:16). To those who hear His Message & repent of their sins through Jesus Christ, are promised to receive His Spirit & new life. How do we respond? We love Him more for what He has done & want to please Him in our lives.

So to read the Bible & do what God says is what every child of God wants to do. So it is very important for you.

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the NEW TESTAMENT in my BLOOD, which is shed for you.

Note: as it relates to SALVATION, verse 19-20 is the hour that arrived and JESUS is about to established a NEW TESTAMENT, thereby all who chose to or decide to can be saved, see John 3:16-21 and other verses also. Plus JESUS establish a MEMORIAL of for us to remember/ always remembering that day and hour JESUS shed HIS BLOOD for us to be SAVED.

1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Note: there is a group of people that quietly listen to JESUS preached the gospel thereby souls would receive SALVATION. Also there is a group of the leaders, see 19 and 20, sneakingly wanting to silence JESUS thereby souls would be loss. 2020 we can shout thank to GOD that the POWER of HIS WORD was never stop thereby it reached us and we can be SAVED from the lake of fire, see John 3:16-21 as it relates BECOMING SAVED.

1 John Chapter 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

There is only one door and that is Jesus, I do not care what anyone says they are a Jew and if they do not have Christ they are under the wrath of God eternally.

Ric - I am no fan of the Pope or the Vatican. However it was not Rome that killed the apostles, the prophets or Jesus.

King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.



John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

Revelation 11:8 - And their (2 witnesses) dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Jesus, my LORD, was crucified in Jerusalem, which is spiritually called Sodom)

Jesus in John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Acts 23:12 - And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

Jesus speaks in Matthew 23:15 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (ALL Pharisees are Jews, not all Jews are Pharisees) , hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Rabbis say Jesus was antisemitic)

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a SAVIOUR, which is CHRIST the LORD.

Note: This SAVIOR /CHRIST the LORD is born and HE shall establish SALVATION for all of us /mankind. Through CHRIST (see John 3:16-21) the opportunity to be SAVED is made available to all, thereby we can rightly return to JEHOVAH /GOD and avoid Revelation 20:15.

29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

Note: I was so busy with 8-5 /job making sure money flowed to maintain the american dream. 75% of the dream was having perishable stuff /idols that rust or moths eat up. I was so busy I did not realize the TRUTH in 28-29 above. Thank GOD for HIS WISDOM. WISDOM to both know and understand TIME is NIGH exactly like 29-29 bare witness to. Never-the-less John 3:16-21 is waiting on all who is willing to follow IT's instructions because The return of JESUS is NIGH. Also 31 above is TRUTH.

6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Notice 6-9 very closely and we see a warning from JESUS then and in 2020. A battle between what GOD has established and what man has established, therefore it is very important that we personally know all the Word of GOD /Bible that equips us to rightly stand when traditions of men, such as the above or persuasive words, yes persuasive words that always leave out SALVATION. SALVATION through verses such as John 3:16-21 records our name in the BOOK OF LIFE.

John 3:16 might be what you have in mind.

Mark 12:30-31 - Are the greatest 2 commandments in case you mean that.

35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Verse 35, JESUS clearly educate us on a kinsman relationship made by JEHOVAH /GOD, and it supersedes any earthly kinfolks relationship, thereby through SALVATION / John 3:16-21 we have Heavenly family members that will not be seen until we all gather at the MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB.

28 For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Notice: above, even though JESUS is about to enter into death, JESUS has not forgotten HIS mission because we see both HIS heart and mind remain steadfast on redeeming mankind from sins. The result of the BLOOD of JESUS established the PARDON me and you needed, thereby we sinners has access to SALVATION. John 3:16-21 is our reminder.

14-21 above, also in 2020, those who sought JESUS was shown the POWER OF GOD through JESUS. Above, JESUS being a GOOD SHEPARD knew /knows the need of them seeking JESUS. JESUS recognize the seeker's need and miraculously make the impossible to be possible for those who reached out and sought JESUS. JESUS being a GOOD SHEPARD both healed and fed them and us in 2020. Like the above John 3:16-21 guides those who seek JESUS, guiding us to the same POWER above. This same POWER has been made available to us in 2020, especially those who seek SALVATION through JESUS and not forgetting healing and feeding. John 3:16-21 guides all seekers to the power of SALVATION thereby we avoid the lake of fire.

23 And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise, 24 He said unto them, Give place for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. 25 But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose. 26 And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land. .... ( Jesus uses this circumstance to prove to them /us HE has power over death, never-the-less in 2020 the world was shook over death by the pestilence. The 2020 death by the pestilence is the same death above and Jesus still has HIS power over death /it, plus Eternal-Life, according to John 3:16-21.

John, the Bible of course, speaks on many, many subjects & one of the important ones is of a person who has been saved through the Holy Spirit's convicting, & then his repentance & then knowing God's forgiveness based on faith in Jesus Christ's death on the Cross for our sins. If this person has truly come God's Way, we say that he is Born Again (i.e. not a second birth back into the world, but re-born in his spirit, where God's Spirit takes up residence in that person's life - John 3:3-7). We still look the same, go to work, etc., but by His Spirit within, we are now accepted by God as His very Own children, we look at life through 'different eyes', the graces of Jesus begin to fill us & become evident to others, we want to tell others of this great experience & new life, etc. etc.

However, after this great work of God in us, there are some well-meaning Christians who will teach that even though you may be a child of God now, you can some time in the future, choose to reject God, His Son & His Spirit & lose your salvation. They will even show you scriptural proof to support this. And true, if Scripture is taken in isolation or misinterpreted, then a Christian can lose his salvation. But I also take note that the Work of God in sending His Son to die for us was not a poorly devised plan. Jesus' death & resurrection was complete & final and God accepted this sacrifice for our sins by raising Him from the dead & giving Him a position of Power & Authority in Heaven. The Scripture also tells us that true Christians have been sealed by God (look these up: 2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13; 4:30). When God seals, He will NOT un-seal - we are His forever & He will "never leave us nor forsake us" ( Heb 13:5). Then can a Christian choose to forsake God? If a Christian is truly born again, he cannot & will not reject God & His Son. It's not possible. Yes, a Christian can still commit sin, but he is soon convicted by the Spirit within him & repents & is restored.

The fact is that all is because of the faith of Jesus Christ. The faith of any other individual is absolutely uninvolved. However, we have been told that the, "faith," in Ephesians 2:8, is our faith, changed surreptitiously to gain control? It is "not that of yourselves." It is only the faith of Christ Jesus that we need, which is made clear in 2Timothy 3:15. Now, we can update our understanding of John 3:16, in which Jesus Christ is in the word, "whosoever," believeth the Word, identified with, "him."

Nicene Creed part 2

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

[ 1 Corinthians 5:4, John 1:14, John 3:16, John 1:1-3]

Matthew 22:32-33...7:15; Ezekiel 34:12

John 10:12, 8

Luke 15:4-7

1 Peter 2:5

People are sheep, or a goat. Jesus is THE SHEPHERD. He will know who is what.

There also are wolves in sheep's clothing and ravening wolves.

If the sheep are lost, we need to take them over to 1 John verses 5-10; particularly verse 9. Show them how to get all that mud and stickers out of their wool. Baby Christians need to learn to run to Jesus and pray verse 9. Lay it all out and admit everything. They learn to love clean and Light.

A new commandment 1 John 2:8-17

1 John 3:10 in this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness, is NOT of God (a goat); neither he that loveth not his brother.

Once I got to carry a "lamb" in intercessory prayer, for weeks. Someone desperately wanting to die. As soon as that person turned to God for help, I was released. If Jesus let's you carry a lamb you will never be the same person. Sheep, lamb, goat?

Paul - Yes we can not be saved without baptism, however getting the body wet is not it.

Mark Chapter 1: 6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, ...

7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he (Jesus) shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (of the Spirit)

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

(Part 2)

Once I was drawn to Christ by the Father and surrendered my life to Him, His Spirit came into my spirit and sealed me unto the day of redemption.

I belong to Christ. He purchased me, meaning he owns me. Paul said in Romans 8:9, "Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this one is not of Him." In Romans 8:14, he wrote, "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God."

In 2 Corinthians 13:5, Paul challenged the church at Corinth: "Examine yourselves, if you are in the faith; prove your own selves, or do you not know your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you, except you are reprobates?" John, supported the same understanding in 1 John 3:24, and 1 John 4:13. Salvation happens only when God's Spirit enters and remains in a person's spirit, thereby causing spiritual birth. Nothing in the Bible teaches that salvation is accomplished by the repetition of the Sinner's Prayer or through the performance of any other kind of human formula.