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The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."
God has set his throne in heaven (Ps.103:17-20)which in John's vision was on the sea of glass. Further along we see it is a sea of glass mixed with fire. The same throne we see in the night visions as a fiery theone. The Holy Spirit sets the world unseen in concrete imagery so we are to look at them as manifestations of his holiness. After our likeness, the Law of the Spirit presented the Lamb slain, the Lamb of God and a throne of God and of the Lamb. The firmament is the face so the Psalmist considers it as a glass.
This glory is set in our hearts. When we love God with our whole heart and whole mind we are changing from glory to glory. "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." (2 Co.3:18) How shall we explain 'with open face' but our works? James explains the purpose of this glass and says," But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." Faith that bonds the worlds framed by the word of God shall always sets this glass. When you adjust your lives accordingly it is an open face. "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."( John 3:19-21) With open face we prove our inner lives," that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." Satan hates this light so he has to work with subtility and serpent fitted his purpose similarly with men. "And both of these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed." The beast is yet another example. They who prosper Satan's lies are sons of perdition. Then as now.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Romans 10:9
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
NOTE: Nowhere in the word of "God" says you have to join a church, to get Saved ! Or join a certain denominations.
Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It does not say, if, maybe, could be. It says "Shall" be "Saved".
"PRAISE THE LORD" Question: If you would pass away tonight/today. Do you know you are saved?
These are examples of people in fear, sickness and death situations and my ways and interpetation to overcome through Jesus Christ is God died /sacrifice on the cross , buried in a grave, after 3 day rose from the dead.
1) A man with health concerns was about to undergo another major surgery, he said that while he was anxious about his health and didn't want to die, he wasn't afraid of being sick or dying. He was asked why -and said he knew that whatever happened, God was in control. My interpetation he had faith ( Psalms 30:2 KJV ) and believed Jesus Christ is God ( Isaiah 56:6 KJV )
2) A trembling woman who had been sick for many years approached Jesus . Then she touched the edge of his cloak and was immediately healed! While she was afraid to speak up about what she had done. Jesus assured her that her faith in him had made her whole. Here is a textual scripture: Mark 5:25-34 KJV My interpetation is meaning she listened to God's commands believing the truth-Jesus Christ is God.( Isaiah 54:10 KJV,) bringing and end to the law Romans 10:4 KJV meaning made well and healed.
Mark 5:33 KJV
33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
3)Sickness and death are things that we all fear in one way or another My interpetation believing in God and not believing in God. But as we look at these grim realities, we need to see them through the lens of a Jesus sacrifice for us My interpetation: ( Matthew 3:2 KJV, Matthew 4:19 KJV, John 3:16 KJV) and God love for us Romans 5:8 KJV.
Matthew 3:2 KJV
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:19 KJV
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
Have someone ever spoke to you or gave you writings about God's love?
Written and spoken interpetation Word by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
Although it is not that long since I read that article from that scholar about the word ANOTHEN, it is about a couple of months ago, I haven't saved it in my PC. Sometimes when I search things on the net, I go from a site to a site and at the end I end up in a completely different thing than the one that I was initially looking for. So, sorry I don't have the name of the author. If I find it in the future I will let you know. But I think if you search it on the net you will get some good information.
About the word ME in John 3:4 in the beginning of his question, it denotes doubt. It is like him saying "Can it be possible...?". In this way he is expressing his doubt on what Jesus said. To me this shows that he understood it as "again". But anyway either this or that doesn't make much difference. GBU
I pray to God for those with unwavering faith, not steadfast, or in prayer God will help them, people in position of power, office, laws, governments, to accept God, (Christianity) listen to God, even be healed and saved.
Daniel 6:2, 3 which was Daniel excellency of spirit also shown in Daniel 1:17 ,10,11,14 which is Daniel deliverance,16,20,21,22 which is a plus added to you and positive difference, 23 Which is result evident My interpetation : "(token ) Psalm 112:3 KJV "Not to be in state of hunger, depression, poverty"
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I believe Jesus Christ God as the Father and made in his image Genesis 1:27 KJV his son, to be blessed which is a plus My interpetation evident "(token ) Not to be in state of hunger, depression, poverty" and to have what I say and want "( Psalm 112:3 KJV) of his New Convenant I am a Christian that practices reading my Holy Bible and praying bringing God glory and God's deliverance. which is a plus added to me to receive blessings and being a positive difference Philippians 4:6-8 NKJV 1 John 3:2 KJV my faith believing confirmed in me holy the identity Christian that allows me to be shown to have no challenges in relations in life .
Treat others as you want to be treated confirming yourself in the image of God. That God exists. You and your thoughts becoming existence/like God Jeremiah 29:11 NKJV, Genesis 1:27 KJV his son, daughter, or children.
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Very important verse! Literally, that second part of the verse is that God has poured out His Spirit in its fullness upon Christ. He is all God! The principle is that He's the only one that has and speaks the words of God. In Colossians 2:9, Paul tells us that in Jesus is all of the Godhead in bodily form. Everything there is of God and bodily form! God did not pour out His Spirit by measure but rather in His fullness.
John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Two words in Verse 36:
He that believes on the Son, right now, has everlasting life. And he that believeth not, and that word is a different word. The "believeth not" is what is translated without persuasion. The one who believes has everlasting life right now.
But the one who has refused the persuasion of the Son (future tense), shall not see life, but (present tense), the wrath of God is abiding on him. If you refuse the persuasion of God's Spirit about Jesus Christ, you will continue to die in your sins.
John 4:4 - And he must needs go through Samaria.
"Must needs" is a Greek word (EDEI) that means He was bound. It was a plan. It was necessary that He goes through Samaria. He had an appointment with this woman.
John 4:46 - So, Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum.
So, Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman (BASOLIKOS), from the word king, and it means to be in some kind of royal court or office.
John 3:21 - But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
But he that does truth, literally the one who practices the truth is continually coming to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.
The one who has a heart for the Lord comes to the light and basically says show me what is of me, and what is of God. I just want to do the things of God. What's the truth? I don't want to hide, just manifest to me the truth. Two different kinds of people!
And from this text, I can say to you, and it answers all the questions and problems that we have about preaching the Gospel. What about those people that never hear? What about the people that can't read?
What about those who don't have a Bible? They have never heard the Gospel message before. According to Jesus, everybody is going to be judged by how they responded to the light. That's it!
In John 1:9, we read in the Logos Hymn that the light enlightens every person coming into the world. So, it is not words. At some point and some time, God's Spirit as a Spiritual light manifests Himself to a person's heart or spirit. And that person will either be receptive to the light, or they are going to want to get away from the light. It won't involve words. It won't be because of the English language or Greek or Hebrew or anything else. It's the light!
When He shines His light into our darkness, how do we respond? We are either drawn to the light, or we want to get away from the light. That's based on a heart condition, not on what I believe or don't believe in my head. It's the light!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on John 3:3. I looks like we both agree that the word (ANOTHEN) means "from above." However, what we differ on is Nicodemus' understanding of what Jesus was telling him, and which way the word ANOTHEN should be translated in this verse. It makes sense what you said, and I can see how one would not see the words "from above" just by going off Nicodemus' response in Verse 4.
His response is odd. No one, especially Nicodemus, a member of the Sanhedrin and the master teacher of Israel would think that a person can enter back into their mother's womb and be physically born again. But Jesus wasn't talking about being born again physically. Jesus is saying that a person must be born from above, a Spiritual birth that only comes from above.
What's interesting is that in the Greek text, it expects the answer no in John 3:4. Nicodemus was looking for Jesus to confirm that He was not talking about a second physical birth or being born again.
When I see ANOTHEN in John 3:3, I see the words "from above." This same word is used in in Verses 7 and 31. Did Nicodemus truly believe that Jesus was saying a person must be born again by entering back into their mother's womb? Obviously, Nicodemus misunderstood what Jesus was telling him, as Jesus says in Verse 7, "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born from above."
Nicodemus is confused because he asks Jesus "How can these things be?" It makes more sense that Jesus is telling him that a person must be born from above, meaning that every person must experience a spiritual birth from heaven, that is, the source of it is from heaven, not from man. It's a spiritual birth, a birth "from above," which Jesus is telling him he must experience if he wants to see the kingdom of God.
I am interested in reading what this scholar/theologian you mentioned had to say on this. Can you please share his name with me so I can read what he had to say? Thanks again brother!
Blessings!
My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
My writings:
Daniel was unwavering steadfast in prayer 3 times a day( Daniel 6:10 KJV) " This demonstrated God's power and faithfulness to those who trust in God." Which was miraculous Daniel 6:14 KJV, being evident My interpetation "(token )" Psalm 112:3 KJV Not to be in state of hunger, depression, poverty" no scars which is today.
Evidence related scriptures: Daniel:3,4,5, 8,12,13,17 KJV
Daniel 6:2, 3 which was Daniel excellency of spirit also shown in Daniel 1:17 ,10,11,14 which is Daniel deliverance,16,20,21,22 which is a plus added to you and positive difference, 23 Which is result evident My interpetation : "(token ) Psalm 112:3 KJV "Not to be in state of hunger, depression, poverty"
,27,28 KJV.
Daniel 6:2-3,10 11,14,16,20,21,22,23,27,28 KJV
Believing in God, and having unwavering faith , steadfast in prayer can help someone, people in position of power, office, laws, governments, to accept God (Christianity) even be healed and saved
Ephesians 2:8 KJV
I pray for those with unwavering faith ,not steadfast, or in prayer That God can help them, people in position of power, office, laws, governments, to accept God, (Christianity) listen to God , even be healed and saved.
I believe God as the Father and made in his image Genesis 1:27 KJV his son, to be blessed which is a plus My interpetation evident "(token ) Not to be in state of hunger, depression, poverty" and to have what I say and want "( Psalm 112:3 KJV) of his New Convenant I am a Christian that practices reading my Holy Bible and praying bringing God glory and God's deliverance. which is a plus added to me to receive blessings and being a positive difference Philippians 4:6-8 NKJV 1 John 3:2 KJV my faith believing confirmed in me holy the identity Christian
Just a comment on John 3:3. The word "anothen" (ah'-noh-thehn) in grk normally means "from above". This is how a grk would understand it and this how I knew it before reading a work from a scholar/theologian on that, who explained that in anc grk it also meant "again". To understand that just follow the order: (anothen)from above-from the top-from the start/begining-all over again.
So how could we know which meaning is the proper one? From above or again? The answer lays on how Nicodemus understood it. If he understood it as "from above" he wouldn't had asked how one can enter his mother's womb and be born again, since it would had been obvious that Jesus was talking about a supernatural birth from God. But his answer didn't show something like that. So he understood it as "again", and this is most probably the proper interpretation of the grk in that verse.
John 2:15 - And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And when he had made a scourge, or whip of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple. Literally in the Greek text it says He threw them out. He chased them out with this whip, and the sheep, and the oxen; and he poured out the changers' money, and then tipped over their tables.
I don't know why but over the years I've often wondered if during some functions that go on in various churches, if the Lord were there, would He come and turnover the tables and chase everybody off?
John 2:23 - Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
In this verse, where it says "many believed in his name," in the Greek, it is literally into His name. That's the proper wording of the New Testament, not believe in Him or about Him, but into Him. It is direction. It's action. People saw the Lord perform signs and miracles and because of that they believed into His name.
John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
The word "again" in the Greek text is literally the word above. It is not PALIN, which is the word for again. It is the word ANOTHEN, which means "from above." So, He is saying that if a person is not born from above, he is not able to see the Kingdom of God.
John 3:4 - Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
In the Greek text, there's a word and it is pronounced MAY, and when it is included in questions it expects the answer no! In the Greek text, on all major questions in the Bible, it also includes the answer. We don't see that in the English text very much.
Hebrews 2:14
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
Hebrews 2:18
"For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."
Philippians 2:7
"But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
SUF'FERED, participle passive Borne; undergone; permitted; allowed.
TEMPT'ED, participle passive Enticed to evil; provoked; tried.
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin."
1 John 3:5, KJV
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:"
1 Peter 2:22, KJV
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
Hebrews 9:28, KJV
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
Hebrews 4:15, KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
2 Corinthians 5:21, KJV
I understand why some look at this differently, but I do feel if He could sin How could He be GOD ALMIGHTY? God cannot sin, has no part with sin... Tempts no man to sin. I do agree with you Brother so I hope I'm not coming off as I do not. Have a good day God Bless...
I will do a future post on what I believe the scripture means about predestination. But I can't see myself believing in the God the Calvinists believe in. A God that creates a soul ahead of birth to be a reprobate with no love or communications from him and be tossed into hell when that life is over.
I would like to say that these discussions are NOT quibbling which means: a petty or carping criticism and I certainly wasn't trying to trap anyone with anger (I don't even know what that means). I am politely but in a straight forward way, raising objections to these teachings that when examined by scripture and the nature of a great, loving God are totally wrong teachings. John 3:16 God Bless :)
*Source is the Brave Search Engine: What Predestination mean according to the Calvinist's teachings?
Jesse, please don't take this wrong I care, and I am trying to understand. I have read your posts on Matthew and some of it is helpful, but I do not agree with your understanding of the meaning you give on some of the Greek words.
In Matthew 16:16 you are saying when Peter told Jesus He is the Son of the living God Peter is confessing to Jesus, that He is the Messiah and He is God. You also say Son of the Living God is a title of God, sorry I don't agree with that. I understand you and probably most on this site believe in a triune God and that Jesus is God, I am sorry, but a title did not die for my sins.
God cannot be the Messiah, if we deny Jesus is the Christ/Messiah we are a liar and an antichrist. The one who does that also denies the Father and the Son, 1 John 2:22.
The heart and truth of the gospel is Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, a man born of a virgin whose Father is God conceived by the Holy Ghost with flesh and blood who God the Father sent, John 3:16. Who became the Messiah when He was anointed with the Holy Ghost after John the Baptise baptized Him. He died for our sins, and we are to confess Him and believe He is the Son of God, 1 John 4:15 1 John 5:10. In the Son of God Jesus is our faith and the only hope of salvation. Jesus is the one Moses spoke of Deuteronomy 18:15
My understanding is 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 is about this doctrine; I know you and others on here will not agree.
God bless,
RLW
Jesus is waiting on you to make the first move
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory."
Glory of God is simply the holiness of God in operation. As the judge over all nations the Spirit is not presenting him in relation to his Father but as God himself. He is, as the writer to the Hebrews qualify him as 'the brightness of his glory.' This glory is expressed in his person and in the word of his power in the example he had set as an intercessor for his Father. (He 1:3)
He demonstrated what was the path of glory. "For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's."(Ro.147-9)
He is the Lord both of the dead and living.
Glory of the body that God has prepared before man has only one fit and it is the Man. In his death and resurrection this glorious body is a building not made with hands, a house nevertheless, "eternal in the heavens."
Every man who is called to be holy and blameless before him in love has his work cut out because our Lord Saviour gave the pattern. We need fit the template so one measurement that works has angel part to size already. Do we fit in? It is what the Parable asks? Holy angels are witnesses so whether we did, "inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me" require no further evidence.
"For I was an hungered," love of God is in charity so you feed the hungry as though Christ in you did. "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"(1 John 3:17; 1 Co.13) Prisons are institutionalised by nations that are complicit with Satan and his angels. Bringing succour in their helplessness is how the love of God is expressed. Nations shall wither away but the glory of God never.
Thanks for sharing your understanding. We do disagree on this one. You mention John 3:34-35 which are very important verses. Literally, that second part of Verse 34 is that God has poured out His Spirit in its fullness upon Christ. He is all God! So, the principle is that He's the only one that has and speaks the words of God. In Colossians 2:9, Paul tells us that in Jesus is all of the Godhead in bodily form, everything there is of God and bodily form! God did not pour out His Spirit by measure but rather in His fullness. In order for me to believe that Jesus could have sinned, I would have to deny His deity. I would have to deny that He is God.
Now, in John 12:49-50 which you gave, I do agree that Jesus is saying these aren't my words. These are the Father's words. And the last half of Verse 50, Jesus says, "whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." Exact words! Not independent, not on His own, but they are the Father's words. When Jesus came, He didn't represent Himself. He represented God.
I'm sorry, but I do have to disagree with you on "why Jesus's name is called the Word of God." He was not called the word of God because He spoke God's word. There is no correlation between John 3:34-35 and Revelation 19:13.
The word "word" in Revelation 19:13 is the word LOGOS. It is the same word used in John 1:1, and also throughout the beginning of Chapter 1. LOGOS is the Greek word for the word "word." Jesus is called the word because He was the great thinker behind the universe and was already in existence at the time of physical creation. He was always in existence. He was the great thinker behind the universe, and He created all things.
Blessings!
Yes, brother you understood correctly I believe Jesus if He chose, He could have given into a temptation and been disobedient to His Father. Hebrews 2:18 says He suffered being tempted and in Hebrews 4:15 Jesus was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Jesus did not have a sinful nature like we do, He was not from man but was conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Ghost, He was the second man the last Adam.
The first Adam was not formed with a sinful nature, but he sinned and was disobedient, Jesus was sinless and obedient to the end, Romans 5:19. He had to know how it feels to battle temptations to become our priest and mediator. If Jesus was incapable of giving in to temptation His perfect sinless life has no meaning and if He was not capable of being disobedient being obedient to the Father unto death has no meaning.
The miracles Jesus did were not by His power but by the power of the Holy Ghost that God the Father gave to Him without measure John 3:34-35 Acts 10:38 Jesus said many times it was not His will but the Father's will who sent Him, and He also said the words He spoke were not His but the Father, John12:49-50 That is why Jesus's name is called the Word of God, Revelation 19:13.
Now after God raised Jesus from death, He is at His Father's right hand on the throne of God and has been given power of the throne over all until the last enemy, death is under His feet, Ephesians 1:19-23 Revelation 20:14.
I know you may disagree but that is how I understand it.
God bless,
RLW
Jesus knew beforehand who are they as he knew Judas what he would do. But as the Word become flesh his Spirit to give a chance to redeem himself. "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?/He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him."( John 6:70-71). We have an example what good it did to those disciples stayed the course learning from the Master. "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb." ( John 16:29)
" Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."( 1 John 3:2).
So the Spirit present parables as in the case of Blasphemy( of which we discussed in an earlier post from the Father Son relationship of God- Matt.12:31-32) to indicate the kingdom of the Son and kingdom of God. We shall see the Son as he is since we have the same glorious body and our soul establishes His mind working through the body. He is the Head and we belong to one body, the church. What made it all possible? Gospel of God is tagged as 12. When he presented the gospel it was gospel of Christ but the tag remains same. Even where Judas lost his place among the twelve it was necessary to keep the number as same.
In the upper room disciples gathered as commanded, "the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,"(Ac.1:15)
"And the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."(Ac.1:26)
The Gospel is everlasting gospel is the same so tag 12 shall be basis by which the holy city is measured (12x1000). The single measure man-angel makes Paul, Peter and Matthias of whose ministry we know nothing are interchangeable. We have a clue. "And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating"(Ex.16:18)
How does one quantify what is spiritually understood? The Spirit renders such unquantifiable with numbers that are called Command numbers. The Holy City of God is a cube, "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."(Re.21:16). The Spirit sets a tag 100 for the generation of Jesus and 1000 is the tag for end times.(End times in the day of Salvation is the beginning of the day of Regeneration so everlasting life promised to believers is continuation of now but in glory0John 3:16). Coming back to 144,000 we shall break it up as thus: 12x12x1000. This has nothing to do with Israel. In Re.7 the left out church redeems by stepping in the place of Israelites, a quality of Jesus Christ is stated here, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." Seth for this reason doubles for the Son. Ze.3:15 refers to the intercessory role of Jesus Christ. However Joshua is a Hebrew variant for Jesus. This usage of the variant is significant. It is used to represent the believers tagged with 144,000 who barely escaped the great tribulation "Is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?/Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel." The fire refers to the great tribulation.
The two disciples going to Emmaus were like Nicodemus and also spiritually blind "And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them./But their eyes were holden that they should not know him." ( Luke 21:15-16)
If such is the case should we be surprised if the imposter churches whatever names one may call them are turning out from their assembly line such half-baked witnesses for Christ. They deny Christ's deity to mean something less and it shows up in their flock.
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?/ And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
"How can these things be?" Problem of Nicodemus was that he grew up in physical terms, His understanding was licked into a shape to get through life among his peers, without jeopardising his position. He looked up unto the hills 'whence cometh my help' and singing the song of the degrees did not make him see the mountain of God anymore than plain speech of Jesus made sense to him. For instance if being born of the Spirit I were to say, for example the statement that was made in the discussion forum "The 144,000 are male, virgin Jews, 112,000 from each tribe of Israel. Revelations 7:3-4 and 14:3-5" is wrong, no amount of debate is going to settle the matter. Where is faith called for reason must be inadequate. Faith is born of hearing, and as Paul says,"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Without it no amount of my saying otherwise shall help the other person. One is born of the Spirit so one is not only negotiating the present world but also 'the world to come.' Jesus Christ has both day of salvation and day of Regeneration, the Alpha and Omega aspect. If we gather with Christ here and now, we shall be gathering with him in his glory. So the Spirit uses tags where 12 signifies the gospel of God. St Paul's prayer, "May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;/ And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."(Ep.3:18-19).How does one quantify what is spiritually understood? The Spirit renders such unquantifiable with numbers that are called Command numbers. The Holy City of God is a cube, "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth:
I don't have cable. Does he broadcast online? I'd like to listen to him.
"If you go by just the 10 commandants which I think you are implying. on 6/9 one in some peoples mind and none in my mind and if I read Paul correctly none. Romans 14:5-8"
If I misunderstood you in thinking you were of the group that believes in the doctrine off sinning/christian I apologize. Being sanctified wholly and filled with the Holy Spirit frees me and anyone who asks God for it, of our sin nature too be destroyed, killed, crucified so we don't have to be a sinning/christian. Romans 6:6, Ephesians 4:21-24, Colossians 3:9-10, 1 John 3:8. There really isn't any such thing as a sinning/christian; either your a sinner or your a child of God who doesn't sin every day. A man cannot be old if he is new, he has to be one or the other. That's why I don't call myself a sinner, and, as long as I continue to love and live for the Lord I never will be a "sinner" destine for hell. God Bless :)
"But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."
From the passage given above it is clear that Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8) A "house divided against itself shall not stand."The Advent of the Son of man was to bind the strongman and spoil his house which is what we see in the chapters 19 and 20 of the last book. The Spirit gives us a concrete imagery of 'all the fowls'( The angel "saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God" are spiritually understood for clearing up the spoils gathered by Satan and his cohorts.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."(Ep.6:12) Saints following the Word of God are fighting in the mid-air (Re.19:13-14) Who is not gathering with Christ Jesus are gathering with Satan.
This leads to the verse on blasphemy repeated twice in vv.31-32."but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."(v.32) Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in this world slanders the world to come which is the day of Regeneration in which His everlasting dominion is Satan-proof. The strong man referred in the key text is the spiritual darkness working through the sons of perdition.
The Spirit of God where two kingdoms of God and his dear Son tagged as two, is one. "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;" If the salt has lost its savour what good is it? It is for this reason Jesus Christ manifested and his Gospel is everlasting gospel. This day of Salvation is tagged by 12 while the day of Regeneration is noted by Command number Seven. These aspects of Alpha Omega attributed to the Son work with the Spirit of God.
Thanks brother Jesse for that very informative & enlightening explanation on the different parts of those garments. As I considered Luke 8:43-48 & the condition of the woman (both her emotional & physical states), my mind went also to John 3:1,2 concerning Nicodemus. Of course, these are two very separate events, but the similarities seem noteworthy.
Both the woman & Nicodemus had very clear pressing needs. The one for healing of her persistent, long-drawn-out bleeding condition & the other, of his desperate need to reconcile what his fellow Pharisees believed about Jesus & what was niggling in his own mind of the real truth about Jesus ("for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him").
They both came in secret/under cover to Jesus. The woman in faith coming under cover, completely oblivious to the multitude pressing upon Jesus ( Luke 8:45), risking being recognized, dragged out & beaten for her 'crime'; as was Nicodemus, in secret from the prying eyes of his peers & probable expulsion - using the cover of darkness, desperate to learn the secret about this Man whom so many hated & would feel justified in killing.
If either of these two came up openly to Jesus, in public view, they might well have not had their needs met, for reasons given above. But their great need for healing, one for a sick body & the other for a troubled mind & spirit, were greater than the probable results that would have come against them. Onto Page 2.
30"Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, GOD now commands all people everywhere to repent,
31because He has set a Day (Lord's Day, the seven and last Day, or seven and last millennium)when he is going to Judge the WORLD in righteousness by the man He has appointed.He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead."
John 1:10-13:
10He-JESUS-was in the WORLD,and the world was made by Him,and the WORLD knew Him not.
11He came unto His own,and His own received Him not.
12But as many as received Him,to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,even to them that believe on His name:
13Which were born,not of blood,nor of the will of the flesh,nor of the will of man,but of GOD.
1John 3:1-15KJV
3Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD:therefore the world knoweth us not,because it knew Him not.
2Beloved, NOW are we the sons of GOD,and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall APPEAR, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
3And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of GOD was manifested, that He might DESTROY the works of the Devil.
9Whosoever is born of GOD...His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of GOD.
10In this the children of GOD are manifest, and the children of the Devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.
"Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"
In the Parable we read about holy angels and the devil and his angels. Christ shall come in his glory, there shall be a separation. "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:/And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another." Glory has single meaning in heaven:Jesus Christ, "Who being the brightness of his glory." So those who makes his authority limited, limited Atonement, has put the axe to the very tree of life so to speak.
What is the glory of man or his treasure? "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."(Matt.6:20-21) The man travelling to the far country is Jesus Christ the Man component in the Fellowship of God with Man. He gave on five talents according to his ability and he prospered because he invested it wisely. "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.
Parable of the Sower relates the heart which man has put to useIsrael heard the word but their heart was hard that no plant could take root. So what seed was sown in their hearts," But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up."(Matt.15:13). This is like a shroud that covers man. They call it glory and Satan tried to tempt Jesus. "And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations."(Is.25:7) Jesus Christ shall destroy the works of Satan. (1 John 3:18). The Holy angels are the saints set apart in the world of the Spirit. Because of iniquity one third of they shall be cast down. In our steadfastness we may lose what is destined for dust, to dust. But our souls are in His safekeeping.
Universalism does not teach that every human will be saved because the sacrifice of Jesus was for the sins of the whole world.
Universalism teaches that every human will be saved whether they believe or accept Christ or not.
Everyone gets saved no matter what.
The bible is what teaches that Jesus sacrifice was for the whole world.
John 3:14-16
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Just as anyone in the camp beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.in Numbers 21:9, Anyone who trust in the Lamb of God shall also live.
Here's more connecting verses.
John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the "SIN" of the world.
You noticed I put emphasis on the word SIN here in this verse. It's singular!
It is the penalty of sin that is being spoken of here that was brought in the world by Adam's transgression mentioned in Romans. Romans 5:12-15.
If the penalty of sin was imputed to All men then the Love offering and sacrifice was for all men.
Drop down to Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life.
John again.
1 John 2:2 states "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
There will be more on this later, God bless.
I thought it may be good to start a separate thread.
Part 2.
Limited Atonement is unbiblical. It goes against the Nature of God!
Limited Atonement is defined in this way; "For God so loved the ELECT, that he gave his only begotten Son, that HE GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO BELIEVE in him so they will not perish but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the ELECT; but that the ELECT through him might be saved.
Gigi that is not the Gospel (good news)
Universalism is a belief I don't hold to, though I wish it was true because I wish that no one should parish. However, it's unbiblical. God also wish that no one would parish, 2 Peter 3:9.
Universalism is something we have been pushing back against for years on this site because it ignores the Judgement of God and the hate of sin amongst other things.
Limited Atonement is no better being it ignores the Love of God without partiality and many of God attributes as well.
How are we to minister to a lost world by telling them that if you are not of the elect that the invitation and verses like Revelation 22:17 and John 3:15-17 doesn't apply to them.
What use of verses like Matthews 5:13-16 would be to us?
The Gospel would not be Good News to most of the world!
One other thing that Limited Atonement and Universalism has in common is that neither requires a response from the listener and if we are regenerated as early as in the wound and regeneration doesn't mean re-birth, then when do repentance take place?
I'm surprised you can go through a series of who God is and yet hold to such a view.
God bless.
Part 2.
Here is scripture from my earlier post that applies to your question.
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY) ...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
John 1:7-9 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. "That was the true Light, which lighteth EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD.
John 3:15-18. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELEIVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
Here is one that is overlooked. 1 Peter 2:1.
It speaks of those that denied the Lord that bought them.
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
The people he is talking about is not saved. They DENIED the Lord.
but the Lord's purchase was applied to them if they would accept it.
There is no limited atonement.
God bless.
The whole word of God is a PROPHECY of the kingdom of God, including the book of Genesis.
Adam is Christ, EVE HIS WIFE is mankind, God put Adam in a deep sleep (death on a cross), our Father, by his Spirit, cause Adam (Christ) to arise, and we (EVE) came out of Christ, as ONE FLESH.
Genesis 5:2 Male and female CREATED (by the resurrection of Christ) he them, and called THEIR NAME Adam (Christ), in the day they were CREATED.
1 Timothy 2:13-15 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was NOT DECEIVE, but the woman being DECEIVE, was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding SHE (Eve, Christ's wife) shall BE SAVED in child bearing.....
Revelation 3:12 ...and I will write upon him my NEW NAME ......
Revelation 12:2 And SHE being with child, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED.
John 3:7 ..... YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN ......
Acts 19:5 When they heard this they were BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
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