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Yes, but who decides to change the bible, if it is the word of god, why are they still changing it to suite their needs?

I have not and never will be able to see a love so great for sinners such as us

W G F's comment about verse 9 on 3/23/2011, 3:35am..
1) Forgiveness of “sins” is a free gift based on baptism in water after ‘repentance of ‘sin. ( Acts 2:38) “repent and be baptized are ‘ conditions. Forgiveness and the gift of the Holy Spirit are ‘gifts. (see John 5:24) Eternal life is based on repentance from nonbelief to belief.
2) Scripture ‘DOES not say repent from ‘sins, but repent from sin. (see John 16:8a,9)

Themba's comment about verse 10 on 3/24/2011, 11:26am...
Believers are not under the law, and they cannot commit sins.
(Rom.5:13) (Rom.6:14) Believers CAN NOT SIN (1 John 3:9)
It is not sin, it is ‘spiritual adultery. (Rom.7:1-5, 1 Cor.6:15-20)

Moses's comment about verse 9 on 7/09/2011, 9:22am...

Christ DID NOT forgive ‘sin ( John 16:8a,9) Sin is repented from.
He freely forgives ‘sins. ( Acts 2:38) after repentance and baptism.


Forbes's comment about verse 8 on 10/09/2011, 2:54am..
Rom.3:23 is to non beleivers. And we WERE all non believers.
Already dead in sin(un-belief) (Rom.5)

Jesus shed his blood on the cross so that we may be reconciled to God. To be born again the bible tells us we must first believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he died for the sins of the world and rose again on the third day. If you believe this then ask Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins an he will come in to your heart and make you a new creature in Christ. After you accept Jesus, you need to be baptized and you will know without a doubt you have been born again.

Isaiah 9:6 Tell us his name shall be called wonderful counsellor,The Mighty God everlasting Father prince of peace.God said in ( Isaiah 43:19) Behold I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth shall ye not no it? well I guess that being proven.As far as Christ being a man and God at the same time and not! being able to govern the Universe that's a misconception of the human mind. Jesus said to Nicodemus a man who was confused like many here today StJohn 3:12 If I have told you of earthly things and you believe not how shall you believe if I tell you of heavenly things and no man hath ascended up to heaven but the same that came down from heaven even the Son of Man which IS IN HEAVEN!!hello. The Bible dose not say God the Son because The Godhead is not divide because the Son is only the (Word) which is God's prophetic description of himself which he incarnated into flesh. Not another person!! bur the expressed image of his!! person.Hebrews1:3( John 14:9-11) Jesus did not say he that seen me hath seen God the Son he said hath seen the Father ( Colossians 2:9 for in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily Christ is not a fallen man like us. We can't limit what he can do; because of what we! cant do or don't understand that's why 1Tomothy 3:16 say's its a mystery. Not every one will understand; that's the book that is called the Revelation of Jesus Christ says blessed is him that readeth and understands.( Philippians 2:19)say who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God; But made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a servant. Yes he dose pray to his own spirit Deity!( Ephesians 1:9 says Having made known unto us the Mystery of his will according to the pleasure which he purposed in himself. Hello!!11th verse who worketth all things after the counsel of his own will.( Isaiah 40:10)Behold the Lord God will come with a strong hand and his arm shall rule for him. verse 13 who hath directed the spirit of the Lord; or being his counsellor hath taught him? with whom took he counsel Who instructed him and taught him in the path of Judgment and taught him Knowledge,and taught to him the way of understanding. Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered to me of my Father and no man knoweth the Son but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son and HE to whom THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM. So there you no nothing of the father but what Jesus has revealed blessed is he that readeth and understands.

So the fact that Jesus is commanding (well ok u dont think that)but is telling a grown man that if he was not born again he could not see the kingdom of heaven and then went on to command, I mean, tell him, except he is born of the water and spirit that he cannot enter the kingdom, call it what u may, it was indeed a commandment meant for the 1st century church, and the end time church today! Then it picks up again in Acts where the very word command is used multible times check it for yourself.. sir, Jesus said if U love me obey my commandments So if u love him obey his commandments. The born again message that was bourne out of this chapter entwined its way into the message of Pentecost when Peter COMMANDED a multitude of 3000 on that 1st day; to repent and be baptised every one of you name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and the promise of the Holy Ghost. Well anyway I think Jesus was commanding it. Just a little insight

I have to say this verse never made much sense to me until I read peoples bible notes above and now it goes with the rest of the chapter. No one sees the wind but the evidence of it leaves blowing, a flag waving etc. Believing in Christ is not what causes the wind to blow or the spirit to move but the opposite. The spirit moves on or in the elected child of God then faith appears.

i once viewed this as a comandment, but its not, its a statement of fact In order to experience the kingdom of god you must be born from above. which no man can do based on his on choosing or doing, its the choice of God according to his gracious election.

His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

These words respond to those who accept the process of salvation through circumscision and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, as the Bible says! It is the Gospel of Christ..DEATH•BURIAL•RESURRECTION. Meaning you must DIE from your sins thru repentance. BURIAL you must be buried in baptism to his death ( Rom 6:3-4) RESURRECTION-Recieving the promise of the Holy Ghost, as the scripture says in ( John 3:5) ecept a man be born of watwer and of spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. This is the GRACE that every man MUST ACKNOWLEDGE. And if you make an action for this then THERE WILL BE A LIVELY HOPE FOR YOU by the resurrection of Jesus Christ because it is God who planned this God was manifest in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ as the body of God by the power of the Holy Ghost( 1 Timothy 3:16)
That is why the Inheritance incorruptible and undefiled that does not fadeth away reserved in heaven for you. This is the provision of God if you will ovey what is written in the book Bible
Already reserve in heaven and it is already kept in God's hand by his power. do you agree what the Bible tells?

John chapter 3 gives us the inspiration to come
closer to God

That's right Jeff! Revelation 1:8 says - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the *Almighty*. Jesus spake this.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -v,14- And *the Word was made flesh*, and dwelt among us*, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Whoever you are ~ 123 ~ let me give you some knowledge. John 3:16 says For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him *SHOULD* not perish, but have everlasting life.

It does NOT say that you SHALL be saved! I bought an ozarka water the other day and it said on the back of it, " this item SHOULD not be sold individually." well i bought it by its self. So, maybe it wasn't meant to be sold individually but it was. Same goes with the scripture. Yeah if you believe that Jesus is god and you believe this,

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, -6- One God and Father of all,

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST be saved.

If you think there is three gods you are sorely mistaken. There's not two nor five. Only ONE !

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 3:23 Is it saying that Jesus and his disciples came and was baptized by john?

In Mathew 1:1 Jesus Christ is son of David, son of Abraham. He was made seed of David according to the flesh ( Romans 1:4). He, as seed of Abraham was promised to possess the gates of his enemies. In Abraham's seed all the nations of the earth be blessed ( Genesis 22:17-18). In Mathew 1:18) He is Child of the Holy Ghost. He came down from heaven ( John 3: 13). This Child of the Holy Ghost was the word made flesh, the only begotten of the Father ( John 1:14). The Holy Ghost is the Father. The Holy Ghost and the Father are the self same person. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24) and you must be born of water the Spirit to see the kingdom of God ( John 3:5). God is the Father and He is the Holy Ghost. God was manifest in the flesh ( 1Timothy 3:16) For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham ( Hebrews 1:16). God was manifested in the flesh make atonement for sin and to purchase His church by His own blood ( Acts 20: 28). The Shekinah glory that was in that once filled the temple in Jerusalem took a body of flesh. He became God's Choosen Place of Worship, God's Temple that He choose to put His name, the perfect realisation ofthe old testament temple (Deutromy12:5-11). Jesus was God's temple and the Church is the temple of his body ( John 2:19; Ephesians 5:30; 2:21- 22). The church of Christ, the bride is the mouthpiece of the Holy Ghost for the commission was its not ye that speak but the Holy Ghost ( Mark 13:11) and again what Holy Ghost speaks the true church speaks the same ( Revelation 22:17), for He that is Joined unto the Lord is one Spirit ( 1Corinthians 6:16). Now the Spirit of the Lord that was on Jesus is in His church even as He promised: as for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD, My spirit that is upon thee and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out the mouth of thy Seed's seed, from henceforth and forever( Isaiah 59:21). The witness of the Apostles and prophets in the Bible is the witness of the Holy Ghost, for they were sent by the Holy Ghost ( Acts 13:4) and they preached by the Holy Ghost ( Galatians 1 :11-12). For the church to receive the blessing of Abraham the must stay exacty with the original gospel as Spoken by the Holy Ghost through His apotles

Jeff, and Alexander, and to the rest of the comments and lovly scriptures that were written! And u all were right! Ur quoting the BIBLE. But don't forget, to eat the WHOLE book! Hide the word n thy heart so u might not sin against Him. U all left out Acts. Where the bible states n 2:40 or so it states to SAVE URSELF from this untoward generation. God is a gentleman and He will not force Himself on u. But u must b Born Again. John 3:5 U must b born of the Water and Of the Spirit, and if not ur not going to heaven. Now That's Bible Too.

In response to Mary's comment. These two verses dont actually talk about salvation. It just states two very basic truths 1. God needed a vessel to carry out the act of redemtion he chose to do this in the likeness of man. So, God chose an embodiment of himself because the blood was going to need to be sinless and only God could do that. So God formed himself in the womb of a jewish virgin girl (mary)then live 33 yrs then to calvery. The other simply states that God Loved the world. No, what your looking for is much more of a blatant answer. The 1st light of God's salvation opens up in Jn3:3/3:5 then tracks itself all the way to the book of Acts starting on the day of Pentecost and all through the the book that is the unfinished history of the new test church. Read and you'll see that everytime salvation was met out they were mandated to repent ,they were baptised in Jesus Name for the what? the remission of sins, they recieved the Holy Ghost and began to do what? Speak in other tounges as the spirit gave the utterance! That is what I call blatant salvation. So dont be sold short. 16/17 r great scriptures no dought, but God has a salvation that goes beyond dought, beyond two settings of scriptures. RU born of water and spirit? read on Mary great truth awaits you.

JOHN 3:16 & 17 is my 2 favorite verses that is in JOHN 3.IT speaks about the SALVATION OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD,AND I LOVE THAT.Man kind everywhere needs JESUS CHRIST as LORD AND SAVIOUR.There is not a person that lives on the face of this earth that doesn't need SALVATION.WE ALL NEED JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOUR.WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST COMING IN OUR HEARTS AND SOULS WE ALL WOULD DIE AND GO TO THAT HORRIBLE PLACE CALLED HELL.(BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT,IS JESUS CHRIST'S BLOOD CAN CLEANSE YOU, AND MAKE YOU AS WHITE AS SNOW.)IF YOU ONLY BELIEVE IN HIM,AND ASK HIM TO COME INTO YOUR HEART AND SOUL TO SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINS.THEN JESUS WILL DO IT.HE SAID THAT IN ROMANS 10:9

Great job sis Carolyn. Greetings from member of First Pentocostal Church of durham nc. There is one Lord, One faith and one baptisim! Thankful for apostolic truth!!!

John chapter 3 tells us about a Jewish ruler named Nicodemus who chose to go to the Lord at night. He did not want to be seen by his people but he had a question he did not understand about "being born again." The Lord Jesus makes it very plain that unless we are born again and baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost we can not enter the kingdom of Heaven. As we read on in the Bible about baptism, we are given the formula for baptism in Acts 2:38 and we are told that the Holy Ghost is a gift from God and only God can give you the Holy Ghost and what a wonderful gift! The Holy Ghost teaches us and helps us every day of our lives. Jesus wants us to get as close to Him as we can while here on earth.He likes a personal relationship on a daily basis where we spend time with him and praise him and thank him for all he does for us. He hears our prayers for our families and friends and acquaintances and receives those prayers from us and always answers our prayers. He looks forward to hearing from us on a regular basis and is always there waiting for us to share with him and talk things over with him. Jesus loved us so much that he died in our place on Calvary so we could be saved. The Bible is our guidebook for life on earth. It is our responsibility to read our Bibles and learn about God. He teaches us right from wrong and we have no excuses when our appointed time comes to go before the Lord about not knowing about salvation because the Lord plainly tells us in his holy word how to be saved. He also tells us how to stay saved and know that we are saved and belong to him.

This is a wonderful chapter in the bible. It breaks down how and who Jesus Christ is and why he was sent.
Now in this text it is reveal that Christ is the light that all men needs in order to come out of darkness. When we are of evil/satan then darkness will be the only direction of some. In this case thats why its hard to understand things of God but understand things more of the world. As christians and children of God, when we say or do things lost souls will always condemn or never understand. By denying Christ you are denying eternal life and choosing the penality of DEATH/Hell.

On verse 16.
God loves us so much even though all of us were full of sin he still gives a second chance. When we look at the word "world" it means everybody good or evil. When he sent is "Begotten" that just symbolizing sacred, devoted, sin free, a part of him or the most special sacrifice ever to be offered. By receiving him you will be with your Heavenly Father in Heaven in peace with no pain or sorrow.

God sent his best therefore we should give God our best also.

The word "without repentance"(KJV) or irrevocable "(NIV)would direct to the only purpose why the Lord Jesus Christ was sent by His father and that is to REDEEM those who were under the law (the Jews)Gal.4:4-5...Redemption of a thing is unconditional if the owner is committed to buy back the thing he loves, be it defective or not as long as he loves it. The gentiles do not fall on this verse.. John 3:16 applies to all people who believes in Jesus Christ so that by faith in Jesus Christ they could be grafted on the branches of the olive tree.In Ezekiel 36..God said it is not for the sake of His People but for the sake of His name which was profaned by His chosen people, God will sprinkle water on their faces to cleanse them, that is why even "without repentance" God would still redeem His people.

If we read chapter 21 straight through to the close of 23. We see Jesus teaching in Parable form. Jesus teaches the dangers we face when following the traditions of the church. Throughout the Gospels, leaders of the temple challenged Jesus' work and parables. And whenever they did this, Jesus laid out His directive in such a way they couldn't debate the answer they received. "For many are called, but few are chosen" was meant for the temple/church leaders then and now. Those who believe they were called to preach read the wrong message. It actually said "Go plough" and learn what God's Word teaches. Plough deep, investigate what God actually said before standing up to voice opinion. Jesus never spoke by opinion nor did He accept that form of teaching or discussion. God chose His Election and they are separate from us, we that believe as John 3:16 states are saved, we go to heaven and we are to repent daily. John 3:16 is not a liscence to sin. Selah

We are all predestined to be saved. It is us who must choose. god gave us a free will. Simple verse is John 3:16

This verse is tormenting me all the time because, when it says that God has us as the world that He sent His only begotten son, and when we pronounce the word "begotten" implies that there was relationship between two people to be able to generate (a word which are used for animal sex). Can not he just say "his only son." That comes to the word "begotten" in this verse. enlighten me on this subject.

Their is only one GOD and one Saviour and JESUS CHRIST is what connects man and GOD together

John 3:16. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have Everlasting Life.

This world the lord so love in john 3 vs 16, is the World of Israel. Not the entire earth. The lord love his people. Who did Christ dies for? All Christians who believe in him? Lies and deceptions. Who this bible written about? Israel. Who are the Gentiles spoken about in the bible? Still Israel

v.13: What are the claims of man walking into the light? v.19-20: Jesus is the light? v.26:Baptisism by water? By any method? v.28: I am not the Christ, but that I am sent here before him?

The LORD is so good to us he gave us the very best of Him which is his Son who deserve all Glory and Honour because he is a great king. He had joy in his heart knowing that he has made a way for me when i was so short of the LORD way. I have no strenght in me to do what is right I am weak and He is strong everything that I have is his but I am nothing before Him but he loves me.

Watch the video about women getting two children, each of a different father; The title of the video is:
1 John 3:12 (Cain, who was of that wicked one) Serpent Seed - heteropaternalsuperfecundation

I notice in v9 apostle Paul said in my letter I wrote you to quit mixing with fornicators and then v10 he says not meaning entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy person and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. v11 says. But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolator or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man v12 For what do I have to do with judging those on the outside? Do you not judge those on the inside v13 while God judges those outside? "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves" After reading these verses it is clear what Paul was saying. Keeping the congragation clean removing those who call themselves our spiritual brothers or sisters, and sad to say it also means those who are related to us in the flesh. But Gods word gives us hope John 3:16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. The Bible sets before us the prospect of eternal life in perfection if we put faith in Yehovah's provisions for life and walk in his ways.