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  • GiGi again - In Reply - 2 years ago
    S. Spencer

    One last thing I thought of before I retire for the night.

    I re-read the entire thread as you suggested. In your post beginning this thread you did not ask "Is water baptism essential for salvation? But Texsis responded to the thread with such a query and I responded to her response. So that is how I became involved with this thread. Sometimes people take a thread in a direction that differs from the original poster. I am o.k. with that. But, even so, I hope you are not too frustrated that your original post has gone the way it has.

    Also, when you spoke about the command to love God and love others, I thought about 1 john 4:7-16, my favorite Bible passage. So in speaking about obeying these two commands Jesus gave us, we can only love Him or others because He is Love and loved us first. That is why I responded as I did. I don't think I was way off in my response, but it seems you thought so.

    We can talk more on this tomorrow, if it seems good to do so. For now, I have spoken into this conversation the best way I can tonight. I am tired and need to be off to bed. God's blessings to you tonight, Steven
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Gigi.

    Thanks for the reply, however it is far from what I meant when I posted, I never mentioned anything about the love of God, I'm sorry but you missed this one by a mile! Nowhere close to the context.

    Here's the verses I have given. John 13:34-35. and 1 John 2:1-11. 1 John 4:20-21. and yes these topics has shut down debates whether it's about the trinity, eternal security, baptism, etc. because I've posed these during several debates and no response afterwards.

    Please read and go over the response I gave to Bro Dan that you're replying to again.

    It's getting late, I will cover this tomorrow.

    God night and God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Bro Dan.

    Sorry for a delayed response, I've been working and replying all day.

    You've given me Mathew 22:40. That's not the verses I gave you and the Mathew verse you gave is out of context.

    Here is the verses I gave. John 13:34-35. 1 John 2:1-11. and 1 John 4:21. It's getting late so let's take this up tomorrow.

    Thanks and God bless.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Old Testament law: Deuteronomy 16:16, Exodus 34:23,24, Deuteronomy 31:11, Exodus 23:17, the dates of calendars have changed even the Hebrew / Jewish calendars. Moses through GOD established the beginning of the year to be the Passover, no calendar today honors that. Exodus 12:2, Exodus 12, Numbers 28:16,

    Jesus honored these things, along with His parents (on earth) Luke 2:22,23, Luke 2:41-49, John 4:45, John 5:1, John 10:22,23, even those who opposed Jesus expected Jesus to honor the appointed days : John 11:54-57, John 12, Even facing His own brutal death: Matthew 20:17,18 , Mark 10:32,33,34 do you think HE knew He was the Lamb,: Luke 2:38, Luke 18:31, that was going to be slain for Passover? That's why HE told them, as HE obediently set his face to go? Luke 9:51,

    Matthew 21

    Micah 6:6-8,

    John 4:21-24, 2Corinthians 6:2, 2Colossains 2:16,17, Hebrews 10:1-19, Matthew 18:20,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    There are several reasons someone asks this question. I'd like to address the core of your question. If you're having situations in your life that seem impossible, please remember GOD can do impossible! He "said" & the entire Galaxy came into existence, Genesis 1, the Bible is full of GOD's miraculous compassion, 2Kings 7, notice there was a horrible time with horrible actions, 4 leperous men, (usually cast out away from other's because of it) they were in a seemingly hopeless situation. Yet GOD had already made provision for all the City.

    GOD cares for us even more than He does the sparrow. 1Peter 4:12-14, 1Peter 1:7-13, hope to the end. 1Peter 2:19-25,

    Psalms 139, Matthew 10:22, endure to the end. Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

    With that said, instead seek The Savior,John3:15-16, Jesus Christ understands Luke 22:40-48, Matthew 26:36-39, Hebrews 4:15

    John 17, Jesus overcame so we can endure through by His example, Revelation 3:21, Romans 12:21 to live is good. 1John 4:4, John 16:33, Hebrews 2:17,18,

    We all have to live our own lives & will give account. Matthew 25:31-46, Romans 14:12,

    I hope, if you've suffered such a tragic, sad loss, that GOD gives you comfort.

    I pray in either situation. GOD gives you direction, hope, encouragement, faith & comfort. Stay in HIS Word.

    Hopefully this is helpful. Please let us know if you need prayer.
  • S Spencer. Romans 8:1-11. - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Part 3.

    In Acts 15 the Disciples have a counsel on whether the Gentiles should be circumcised and keep the law, then Peter stands up to address the matter. Acts 15:7-11. Here you have the apostle Peter "A Jew" saying in verse 11, we Jews shall be saved in the same manner as the Gentiles! (By faith) "He's declaring "we jews have to come to the Lord by a new covenant".

    This is the new birth spoken by Jesus in John 3:5 when speaking to Nicodemus. This is that which is spoken in

    Jeremiah 31:31-34.

    So here we have a new birth that provides a new nature that is generated by the Holyspirit. You see aspects of this in

    Romans 6:1-23. Also, this is what is meant in John 4:21-24.

    Here we have the quickening spirit by the second Adam that gives life under a new covenant where the old covenant brought death to the fleshly descendants of the first Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. and 2 Corinthians 5:1-6.

    Ephesians 2:1-5 sums it up.

    And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins.

    Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

    Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

    "AGAIN We're not talking about "Justification" we're talking about sanctification. Romans 5:1-21 handles justification.

    GRAFTED INTO THE VINE BY THE RESURECTION OF CHRIST.

    John 15:1-5.

    Romans 6:6.

    Now take these chapters in order-

    Romans 6:1-23.

    Romans 7:1-25.

    Romans 8:1-39.

    We are Justified and Sanctified by the blood of Christ and given a new nature under a new covenant that bares fruit by the power of the Holyspirit.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    John 3:15-16,

    Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:27,

    1Peter 3:8, 1John 4:12,

    2Timothy 2:15,

    Hopefully these are also helpful
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Psalms 97 - 2 years ago
    Hey Jennifer Zink,

    Just my understanding.

    Soul and spirit are two different words, but some seem to think of being the same and are hard to separate in our mind. Hebrew word nephesh meaning a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. The Greek word psuche meaning the soul, life, self, a person's distinct identity. The soul is our personality, and is made up of our mind, our emotion, and our will.

    The word spirit, the Bible writers used the Hebrew word ruach meaning breath, wind, spirit, or the Greek word pneuma also meaning wind, breath, spirit. The spirit in us is our breath that is our life, and it is the part of us that can communicate with God through His Spirit, God is a Spirit John 4:24.

    In our soul/who we are, us, we live according to what we think, and we practice a wide range of human emotions, and we often respond to things according to how we are feeling. We magnify ourselves, even if what we do is good, we make decisions with our will. The desires of the flesh are very tempting, the spirit of the world.

    When we are born again, we are born of the Spirit in our human spirit, He comes to live in our spirit. We receive God in our spirit and magnify Him through our soul like Psalms 69:30 Luke 1:46-47. It is like we walk into a room and flip the light switch the flow of the Spirit turns on the light that shines out of our soul.

    There will be daily battles of the soul/flesh and spirit, they are contrary to each other. Our spirit/conscience the recorder of all we do and think and what is written in the books. The spirit is the steering wheel of our soul. We can be like the song, Jesus take the wheel, or we can crash and burn our soul.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 4 - 2 years ago
    The lack of Baptism submersion, doesn't appear to be an unpardonable sin.

    Let's address why wouldn't someone want to be Baptized? Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:2-7, Romans 6:3-13,

    Is it fear that keeps one from baptism? 1John 4:18, trust? Psalms 56:11, that person may possibly be about to ask another gentle close friend in the Body of Christ to be the person submersing with people of close relation in there nearby or helping, while the Church leader prays or recites scripture. I've seen many believers like youth outreach baptize with Pastor helping. Depending on the fellowship. Matthew 28:18-20,

    If the reason is medical, or because of very difficult situation. Luke 23:38-46,

    Matthew 10:33, 2Timothy 2:12, Matthew 16:24, Matthew 3:13-17,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Love / Charity

    1 Corinthians 13:13

    1 John 4:16-12

    1 John 4:8

    John 3:16
  • Love__Marriage Scriptures__Blessings - In Reply - 2 years ago
    * Proverbs 3:3-4: Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man.

    * Romans 12:10: Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.

    * Genesis 2:18-25

    * Isaiah 54:5: For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called.

    * Proverbs 30:18-19: There are three things that amaze me-no, four things that I don't understand: how an eagle glides through the sky, how a snake slithers on a rock, how a ship navigates the ocean, how a man loves a woman.

    * Ruth 1:16-17: Entreat me not to leave you, Or to turn back from following after you; For wherever you go, I will go; And wherever you lodge, I will lodge; Your people shall be my people, And your God, my God. Where you die, I will die, And there will I be buried. The Lord do so to me, and more also, If anything but death parts you and me.

    * 1 John 4:12: No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

    * Hebrews 10:24-25: And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another-and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

    * 1 Peter 4:8: Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins.

    * Ecclesiastes 4:12: Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.

    * Ephesians 5:33: However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

    * Proverbs 10:12: Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.

    * Ruth 1:16-17: Entreat me not to leave you, Or to turn back from following after you; For wherever you go, I will go (read more)

    Mishael
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Ruth, you picked up a spirit of fear. He has friends named torments. Copy paste the scriptures in your Notes App on your phone or PC. Pray them out loud as often as you need to.

    1 John 4:18

    There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment (an evil spirit) He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

    2 Timothy 1:7

    For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, love and of a sound mind.

    1 Samuel 12:24

    Only fear the LORD, and serve him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things he has done for you.

    Proverbs 19:23

    The fear of the LORD leads to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.**

    Romans 8:15 - For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Hebrews 13:6 - So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

    You as a Christian have the authority in Jesus Name to make these things leave you forever. So say this as often as needed:

    In the Name of Jesus of Nazareth, I bind up the spirits of fear and torments and loose their bands of oppression in my life. I bind your evil works in my life. In Jesus Name and the Power of His Authority, I command you to go into outer darkness and dry places. GO NOW in Jesus Name.

    I release healing, joy in my salvation, and soundness and peace over my mind__in the Name of Jesus I receive it in my born again spirit.

    I am free! Hallelujah to my Lord and Savior.

    A teaching by Jesus. Matthew 12: 43-44

    We are to keep our house garnished with the Bible. They can't ever come back__as we are faithful to read New Testament and fill our soul and spirit with Gods Word. Our reading and prayer time takes precedence over less worthy activities.

    May God bless you and carry you to happier times in your life and fellowship on here if you have time.

    Love to you,
  • T Levis - In Reply on Acts 13 - 2 years ago
    I've understood it to be similar to Simon called Peter: Matthew 4:18, Matthew 10:2, different than Acts 8:9, & Luke, Acts 10:18, Acts 13:1, Acts 13:9, Acts 14:2, notice in Acts, the same book, there are multiple names referenced even a wind, Acts 27:14, Acts 27:8, Hebrews 11:18,

    Matthew 1:6 Jesus called Christ, John 4:25, Luke 6:15, John 1:42, John 11:16, not Colossians 4:11,

    Romans 2:17, Romans 7:3, same supposed writer as Acts , also Romans 9:26

    Matthew 26:14, Luke 23:33, John 19:13, John 19:17, Acts 6:9, Revelation 11:8,

    Revelation 12:9,

    Luke 2:4, Luke 8:2, John 21:2, different than Acts 9:11,

    Acts 1:23, Acts 9:36,

    Colossians 3:15, 1John 3:1,

    Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    Hey Clois,

    I will try to keep it short; this is my understanding.

    We see at the end of Revelation 12 in the original text the dragon is standing on the sand and the first beast comes up out of the sea (abyss/bottomless pit). In Revelation 13 the dragon (Satan) gives this beast his seat, power, and great authority to this beast, and he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. He is given 42 months = 1260 days = 3 years. There is also in the site of this first beast another beast with two horns, the false prophet.

    In Revelation 11:3 the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days the same amount of time as the two beasts (great tribulation) the image people are made to worship, the mark to be able to buy or sell, and the killings of those that reject, (the hour of temptation).

    In Revelation 11:7-8 this beast that comes out of the bottomless pit kills the two witnesses in the "city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt," (Jerusalem). This same beast we see in Revelation 9 and Revelation 17.

    In Revelation, there are three the dragon (Satan), the first beast, and the false prophet (the second beast). If we go by the description of antichrist the only place in the bible given by John in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 1:7 there are billions, not just one.

    Hope this helps,

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 5 - 2 years ago
    Many great comments from brothers but the the information you gave us dear Dav is valuable. Something similar to that happens with the greek for fear (phobos). Although it means fear and only fear, there is this feeling that in the Gospel when refering to God it means to honour, to respect God as a person superiour than everybody else who has power, and to love him as a father. Most probably Paul, a Jew himself, just translated into greek what he had in mind in Jewish.

    I also liked Ronald's statement "We should have a sense of awe and respect for the majesty of God (and simultameously) the Father" Beautiful statement.

    But I would also like to add:

    1 John 4:16-19

    "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

    Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

    THERE IS NO FEAR IN LOVE, BUT PERFECT LOVE CASTETH OUT FEAR: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

    We love him, because he first loved us."

    We don't want yo fear God? Then increase in love (For him and everybody else)

    GBU
  • Anna - 2 years ago
    1 John 4:10 kjv: Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and

    sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

    I John 5:13 -14 kjv: These things have I written unto you that believe on the name

    of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and

    that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the

    confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask anything according

    to his will, he heareth us.

    Ephesians 6:24 kjv: Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in

    sincerity. Amen.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sons of GOD : Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Revelation 12:10, John 1:12 "But as many as receive him, to them gave he power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on his name:"

    Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they are the sons of GOD."

    Philippians 2:15 "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."

    1John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."

    Matthew 5:16, Luke 8:19, Matthew 23:9, John 20:17, John 4:23, John 16:28, Matthew 6:7-34 did you notice how many times GOD is referenced as "our, your Father " in that portion of chapter 6? Matthew 7:11,

    Mark 3:33-35,

    1John 3, Romans 8:29,

    Contrast = John 8:41-47, 1John 2:23, Matthew 3:9

    Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
  • Ronnette - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brothers in Christ,

    I truly understand each one's point of view. If I may share my thoughts that made me know I am saved.

    I read the entire animal blood sacrifices in the Old Testament for the atonement of sins and sanctification ( cleansed or washed away sins). Then one day I realized that the greatest gift our generation could ever received was the blood of Jesus Christ, ( a parallel sacrifice for our generation) to be our propitiation ( i.e. an act of appeasing wrath). I could have been put to death for my own sins, but instead Jesus Christ took upon himself my sins and others to save me and all of us from the wrath of God and give us an eternal/ everlasting life. Then make us live in the Kingdom of God here on earth.

    1 John 4:10

    Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

    Romans 3:25

    Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    1 John 2:2

    And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Then I realized I have to keep that Holy Spirit in me. I cannot explain how I started to read the Bible like my life depends on it. This happened on 11/11/21 when I know I was saved.

    Since I was young I know I have some peculiar things happenings to me. I cannot explained them, but now I understood the God given gift of discernment. That is why at such a young age I made God as my best friend. People will say or do something that I know in my heart was wrong. I cannot explain then, but now God made it clear to me.

    In conclusion, Jesus Christ is in me. I know.

    Galatians 2:20

    I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8 - 2 years ago
    Hi Don.

    Here's a interesting article from koinonia House.

    Part 1

    In my experience, it is the most commonly asked question by honest skeptics: "If God is real, if God is personal, if God loves us, why does God allow evil?" A proper understanding of this issue not only provides great insight into the nature of God, it ties together a comprehensive understanding to some of life's ultimate questions: the answers to my origin, meaning, morality and destiny!

    Email from A Skeptic

    The question of evil was brought into clearer focus in an email I recently received from a skeptic:

    The Christian worldview is an impractical, even phony, view of the Cosmos because it embraces a God who is either incapable of stopping evil and suffering, and he is therefore not omnipotent, or is unwilling to do so and therefore a devil!

    The skeptic's point is well taken because the Bible states that one of God's attributes is love. "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." (I John 4:8) In the book of Romans, Paul the Apostle stated that the invisible attributes of God "are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead."1

    However, what the skeptic is saying, in effect, is this: "If your God is love, I see no evidence of that attribute in creation. All the death, disease, pain and suffering seems to be out of place if this God of yours is love. Surely an all-powerful God could, and a loving God would, eliminate all evil. Since evil exists, then no such God exists."

    To answer this objection we need to examine some principles of logic, the nature of God, the nature of man, the nature of love and the nature of evil.

    See Part 2.
  • The First person to sit on the 3rd Temple Throne will be Antichrist - In Reply - 2 years ago
    John 4:24

    God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    2 Thessalonians 4:4

    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that HE AS God sitteth in the temple of God, SHOWING HIMSELF that he is "God."

    [I just want to highlight the fact that the Antichrist will sit on the throne in the 3rd Temple, so as to prove to himself.that he is "god".

    He is deceived, and will try to deceive the world that he is god.]

    There is much more info of this on Nelson Walters youtube website. The videos are very informative.

    Streetpreacher
  • Mark Valesano - In Reply - 2 years ago
    BTW, I forgot to mention the fact that her telling others in the town resulted in many more believing ( John 4:28-42). I also like to remember that in this instance, He and His disciples were in Samaria, and Jews for the most part never entered there or passed thru that area to travel to other destinations. But Jesus was just as concerned for the Gentile, as the Jew. He ministers to all who will come....
  • Bro dan - In Reply on Romans 11 - 2 years ago
    Brother Paul,

    Amen. The scripture's you present here is clearer than crystal clear water!

    We only need to drink from this ever flowing water.

    John 4:14

    "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

    God Bless.
  • Dav47 - In Reply - 2 years ago
    In your gossiping of this woman I never heard you say that she is sleeping around with other men, especially 5 husbands? But made a commitment to 1. By your own admittance you said" Those others in the class know of her situation and are concerned also" is gossip. John 4:18 says she had 5 husbands-past tense and with another 1 presence. In John 4: I did not read where JESUS condemned the woman but said she spoke the truth. You feel you must bring whaling accusations and attention to this one seeking to study our LORD in your group ( Luke 6:42). This poor woman come to study the WORD of GOD and all you in the group are talking behind her back about something that is none of your business; between her, the man and GOD!
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 43 - 2 years ago
    I can see how Islam has grown & spread since its inception, but can you honestly use Ezekiel 43:1-6 relating it to Muslims building the temple? I've read the passage many times, indeed the whole Book of Ezekiel, but I note that it's the "glory of the God of Israel" that will one day enter in "from the way of the east". From chapters 40 to the end, we read the prophecies concerning Israel during the Millenial Kingdom (the new Temple, God's Glory returned, new Service of Worship, & a new Holy Land). It will be a time when Israel & all those saved through Christ's Blood will be in that Holy City - all others, including Muslims who reject Jesus Christ, debarred.

    Now how this Temple & its similarities to the old (under the Covenant of Law) fit together is still unknown: whether only symbolic by its presence or operational under the New Covenant, with changes, is unclear. But the prophecy is given & since that time, no temple of such magnitude has been built. It gave meaning & hope to the exiles that they would be released & one day Israel would be re-established in their God-given land. As well, I couldn't comprehend what John 4:23,24 has to do with the above, seeing that Jesus was speaking about His Presence amongst them & the coming Holy Spirit.
  • ELB - In Reply on John 4:54 - 2 years ago
    Amen Whosoever:

    We are Jews by the circumcision of our heart; we ought be referring to ourselves as Jews as does God's word.

    I am only a Jew by new birth, but God's has caused me to understand those seven feast will honoured and fulfilled.

    God Bless YOU!
  • *WHOSOEVER ... [John 3:16] on John 4:54 - 2 years ago
    Did you know the word/term christian(s) only appears 3 times in the gospels/epistles (Jn.5:39)? (1st mentioned in Acts 11:26)

    I would like to draw everyone's attention to vs 19 to 26 of this chapter [spirit & truth], let it sink in 4 a while!

    Salvation IS Of/BY the JEW(S)! otherwise we gentiles worship we "..know not what.." as christianity is a 'middle eastern' (not western) religion in origin ( Acts 11:26)!

    TIME TO COME HOME!

    Please read/understand the *booklet & **book "The Seven Feasts Of Israel" by the late *Zola Levitt; **"Aligining With God's Appointed Times" by **Jason Sobel;

    Then, WELCOME HOME MISCHOPAH :-) kol tuv etc ...

    [grafted in & then fed from the same source (soil/word of God)]

    Messiah YESHUA/JESUS Christ IS LORD! Amen? AMEN!

    Maranatha!
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Jesse:

    In a nut shell: All the WORDS were spoken, and the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the world.

    Hebrews 4:10 For he that has entered into his rest, hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

    Hebrews 4:3 ....the works WERE FINISHED from the foundation of the world.

    Revelation 13:8 .....slain BEFORE the foundation of the world.

    Everyone has been given the gift of being a heir to God.

    All this is being played out in God's appointed time.

    I AM the beginning and the end.

    I AM the FIRST (born) and the LAST (born).

    All preordained to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON.

    The WHOLE world is in TRAVAIL, as a Woman getting ready to GIVE BIRTH.

    You must be BORN AGAIN, into the likeness of Christ.

    You are a FINISHED WORK, you are just being brought to TRUTH.

    My people perish for lack of knowledge.

    This is the GOSPEL, all the works of God. GRACE

    Man has no part in these works; man is the HEIR of the works of GRACE.

    John 4:23 Now the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    If Christ DIED for the WORLD, and RECONCILED all things TO HIM.

    To say different, that it's up to man, is not worshipping the Father in spirit and truth.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on John 4:54 - 2 years ago
    It will be recalled that when Jesus was offered wine to relieve His agonies at the cross he refused (although he was given the sour vinegar stuff right before He died). ( Matthew 27:34 as compared with John 19:29). Hence in that case the alcohol was for antiseptic purposes; when in the first it would have mitigated suffering. The verse in 1 Tim. 5:23 implores Timothy because of bad water and digestive issues to drink a little wine. Christ was accused of being a "winebibber" in Matthew 11:19 clearly demonstrates that indeed there were alcoholic beverages He and the disciples would partake in (as the wedding in Cana would also suggest since it was tasted by the official there and verified as such).

    As Paul warns; not all things we are at liberty to do should be done. Firstly; we need to consider ourselves and anyone around us to make sure no one has problems with alcohol OR is a believer such as the person you responded to in order not to offend them with your liberties. That short of family settings and perhaps one or two close friends gets pretty difficult. Even drinking a bit to excess can be a slippery slope. At any event; clearly it isn't a sin to do this in context; and the fact it was used for many centuries as a pain killer when other more effective techniques only recently developed; as Proverbs states it is for those who are in great pain ( Proverbs 31:6-7). Those dying should be given pain relief is Solomon's message; but of course we shouldn't be drawn to excesses as he was as the rest of Proverbs teaches us with wisdom after the fact.

    Simply being a distraction from God or enjoying any substance that is controlling us is dangerous. We have to be ever vigilant; such benefits as resveritol found in red grapes and in wine can certainly
  • Linda on John 4:54 - 2 years ago
    Referring to John 46, a lovely person I know, who was born again and gave up all vises to serve Jesus, told me that the water Jesus turned to wine, was nonalcoholic, nonfermented. That Jesus never drank wine that contained alcohol..She said drunkeness was a sin. Believing that last statement, I also believe that the wine that Jesus created at the wedding was alcoholic and that it can be consumed without allowing yourself to become drunk. Yes I do have a glass of wine on occasion but do not get drunk. Is there any proof in the Bible that tells if this wine was with alcohol or not.? Thankyou.

    I'm sorry, but I question even the smallest things I read in the Bible. Not because I don't believe. I certainly do believe have faith and trust and love for God and Jesus. Questioning helps me to understand things better. Everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and interpretations. I question to find the reasons for mine. Thank you Linda
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Romans 13:14 - But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

    I think it sets us apart, as followers of Jesus; to dress modestly. To let the Light of Jesus be what attracts others to us. A prospective husband is well able to be attracted your inner beauty first.

    The four loves in the Bible:

    * Storge - empathy bond.

    * Philia - friend bond.

    * Eros - romantic love.

    * Agape - unconditional (God kind of love)

    Other types of love:

    * Philautia - Self-love.

    * Pragma - Enduring Love.

    * Ludus - Playful Love.

    * Mania - Obsessive Love

    Agapelove is the highest level of love referenced in the Bible. This form of love is everlasting and sacrificial, whether or not the giver receives the same level of love in return. In the original Greek translation of the Scriptural passage "God is love," the word agapewas specifically used to identify the type of love God embodies (1 John 4:8,

    1 Corinthians 13, John 21:17)


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