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Hey Trish,

The firmament, raqia, meaning an extended surface, expanse, God called heaven that He placed the sun, moon, and all the stars. It is from the earth to the furthest star. In Genesis 1:6-8 the second day God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters to divide the waters, WOW. This shows how little we understand the size and power of our God, we cannot even comprehend that. We ask what is this water that is above the farthest star we know of?

In the ancient world among all peoples everywhere believed the sky (firmament) was a rock-solid dome over the earth beneath which were the sun, moon, and stars. Some in the past believed there was a sea above this solid dome. Some believe the water was a canopy of water vapor that covered the earth before the flood. This greenhouse effect might have made the whole pre-flood world tropical and helped people live for hundreds of years, and the water used to flood the earth.

With the sun, moon, and stars in this firmament that could not be because this would have created intense heat that would cook everything. I think this is one thing outside of our understanding, you can word search firmament in scripture, but God throne is above it, Paul called it the third heaven, 2 Corinthians 12:2. The waters above may be the waters of life as we read in Revelation 21:6 and Revelation 21:1,17. The water Jesus offered in John 4:10-15.

God bless,

RLW

H J,

I'm sad to hear of you're very difficult situation all around. 1st let's start with GOD loves you. How wonderful it is when anyone seeks HIM & HIS truth. 1 John 4:19, John 3:15-16. Deuteronomy 4:29,

I have wondered about this subject & I ask: if a man/woman marries someone thst is divorced Matthew 19:9, then is that a marriage honorable to GOD ? Or is it sin, continued in?

Ezra 9,10, it appears only 2 people were against that decision. Ezra 10:15, some of them had children Ezra 10:44, Nehemiah 8:9, Nehemiah 13:23-31,

Is it sin, to continue in sin?

John 8:10

Is that what Jesus would say to you?

Son's of GOD = 1 John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1 John 5:10, Ezra 3:2, Hebrews 12:7, Revelation 21:7, 1 Timothy 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:2-3,

Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH referred to the most as Son of GOD. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, etc.

Luke 3:38,

* Romans 8:14, * Hebrews 1:13-14,

I understand "Son's of GOD presented themselves before GOD" to mean= they prayed notice Job 1:5, "offered burnt offerings" then vrs. 6._._._ the accuser came, Revelation 12:10,

Genesis 4:26, Luke 3:38,

Exodus 34:2, Leviticus 14:11, Leviticus 16:28, 1 Samuel 10:19, Daniel 9:18, Luke 2:22, Romans 12:1, Jude 1:24-25,

May the Lord greatly bless you dear sister, increasing in your faith & devotion to Him - and use you as a beacon of His Light & Love to many. Matthew 5:16; 1 John 4:12.

I don't put much coin in comments that don't provide scripture verses to back up their claims. Unless you can cite your sources through God's perfect Word, I'll just dismiss your post as another philosophical matter of man.

I'm willing to change my stance, but you need to provide scripture; I obey God's words, not man.

1 John 4:1

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Acts 5:29

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

Have you ever read John chapter 4. This is the account where Jesus stops by a well and a Samaritan woman comes out to meet him. He asks her to give him a drink. Theres an exchange that takes place about the Samaritans having no dealings with the Jews then Jesus tells her of this living water. She asks if He's greater than their father Jacob. The story continues with Jesus asking her to go get her husband. She explains that she has no husband. Jesus says to her, "Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. John 4:17-18.

So Jesus recognizes this womans previous marriages. Which means that every one counts.

As far as Gods laws for christians it says in Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

1 Peter 2:13-15 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Now as far as I know, Mans laws that include marriage do not go against what marriage is in the new testament and even in Jesus' sight this woman has been married 5 times and now was living in fornication. Being with someone she's not married to. That being said, we can rightfully assume she obviously was not a virgin after the marriage to her first husband. So in your case you were legally married to two women, regardless of their former status. This holds weight in Gods sight.

David Spivey Seeking the lords Face [figure of speech attributing to God human characteristics] so as shared

before we go before him in prayer with our whole heart. God is spirit John 4:24 so you can't see taste touch smell

or physically hear God unless he wants to get your Attention Moses and burning bush not burning, Moses staff

turning into a snake then back to staff to show Moses God was backing Him up. These are examples of course.

This is a story that shows how the Holy Spirit gift, Word of Knowledge, operates.

She might have thought the way he was dressed that he was a Jew. Jews and Samaritan's did not fellowship together, or draw water for each other. She was surprised that Jesus even spoke to her.

She gave him a drink and through the Word of knowledge, Jesus told her all the events/truths of her life.

As a result she runs back to her neighborhood and tells what happened. The town goes back with her and Jesus preaches the good news to them. They all get saved__by believing in what he said.

Jesus was quizzed by the Disciples for even speaking to her and the others. Jesus was sent to "the House of Israel" first. Jesus explained that he was sent to the world. Jews and Gentiles did not mix cultures. Kind of like today with the disputes between whites vs non-whites.

Only the LIFE of Jesus living in His believers and followers__can bring HEALING TO THE NATIONS.

Matthew 28:19.

Just in the New Testament, are 37 scriptures on the word Nations. That's who we all are. Separation began at the Tower of Babel.

We shall know THE TRUTH and the Truth WILL set us free. Now that Jesus has made all people eligible to receive Salvation; and we receive it into our lives__we are to take the Healing of the Nations into ourselves First. After conversion we are to Take Healing To the Nations (all peoples regardless of religion, race or unbelief). The TREE OF LIFE, which is Jesus Christ: the fruit is for the Healing of the Nations.

After knowing what the will of God is, through Jesus Christ; we must embrace and REPRODUCE the God kind of Love.

Perfection, is AGAPE love. It's the Holy Spirits job to produce that within us. All of our predjudices must be left at the foot of the Cross.

We do this only by trust, and faith in Jesus to perfect our faith. Is the Power of His Love strong enough? How much of us are we willing to surrender? There will be some pain in dying to Self.

Hi Barbara. I can't be sure since the Bible doesn't specifically mention this aspect but the two possibilities that come to mind are: Jesus' appearance and/or His accent. Very often in eastern cultures, the type of clothing or footwear worn or manner of wearing it can give clues about the person's origins. As well, a person's accent can often identify which part of the country they're from.

Having lived & ministered in India & Pakistan, these identifiable aspects were often at the forefront. Because over there, it wasn't just the conversation that was important, but also knowing a person's background & family roots helped in what was being discussed. Maybe this woman at the well picked up some of these clues from Jesus.

How did the woman at the well know Jesus was a Jew?

Adam

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Witness of the bible and of the church from apostolic times onward.

The idea that Jesus is not God has been refuted repeatedly over the centuries and determined to be heresy again and again.

But I these days, this view flourishes because the church is so fractured that the authorities voice of orthodoxy has lost its effect as we are in a time where each person and sect chooses their own version of doctrines they accept as "truth" and minds have been blinded to the Truth of Scriptures, as you so clearly pointed out.

Those who deny that Jesus is God are deceived by "false teachers" the same as those who deny that He came in the flesh 1John 4:1-4 and have the spirit of the Antichrist.

1John 5:9-12 goes on to tell us that the witness of God is greater than the witness of men. Those who do not believe the witness of God

(In 1John 7-8) are calling God a liar.

I feel sad for those who have been deceived by refusing to believe that Jesus is God and that The Godhead consists of three Persons that are unified as One God. We can pray for them and give testimony to the truth as you have done .

Than you.

Hi Donna,

I don't believe we can just replace the word God for Jesus. I believe that uses of God in the Bible sometimes implies the trinity, but other times is used solely for God the father. I believe this is one of the common sources of confusion. Also, Jesus is Lord, and the use of the word Lord of the Old Testament sometimes seems to include God the father. I'm interested in anyone else's opinions on this. So, the three are one, the same, but also different. While this is hard for us simple humans to understand how much the same they are and how much different they are, it says it in the Bible and we must choose whether we want to trust and believe what it says.

About the word begotten in John 3:16:

I'd like to borrow from a Got Questions answer on this as I find them scripturally based most of the time. They say the original Greek word 'begotten' or (monogenes) has 2 meanings:

1. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." Hebrews 11:17 like Abraham's son.

2. The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." See John 3:16, John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9.

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Beware of anyone distorting the word to assume it means Jesus was 'created' later. This is not what it means. Scripture already debunks that in John 1:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6 (Jesus made all things), John 1:1 (Jesus was there in the beginning), John 5:18 (equal with His father), Jesus is the John 8:58, "I AM", Exodus 3:14, Revelation 1:8

God bless...

Bill,

In Job 23:12, it says "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of His lips, I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food."



What really is necessary, Spiritual food, or physical food? We eat three times a day or more, plus dessert. How often do we eat spiritually and feed the soul? Very interesting!

In John 4:32, after the disciples brought physical food to Jesus, they said to Him, "Master, eat." Jesus answers and says, " I have meat to eat that ye know not of.



I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, where you are physically hungry, you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference! You forget about the physical hunger and you are no longer hungry.



The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting here is that remember the woman left her water pot behind.



Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.

Carolyn Smith This is when I say let the Word of God do the Work, the witness is in our walk and talk

or lifestyle. Example years ago at an outing at my in laws place one of the children cut his arm near the pool

my brother in law who is an emt rushed over to put a bandage on it, my son went over and had it prayed for

by my wife the bleeding stopped and he jumped back into the pool. My brother in law ask what happened we told him

he was healed he said whatever and nothing was ever mentioned again. So that was a witness, like I said

people will notice a change and if not make a friend just love people where they are at and bring them up

to the Words level or Lead in love, sometimes that takes times. Above all ask God He's the ultimate guide

especially when holding forth His Word. P.S. No Fear walk in Gods Love because 1 John 4:17+18 we are fearless

spiritually in Christ! God Bless

When will those who claim to be Christians and the church will act as such. Instead of empty words of comfort, they won't precisely support him, taking groceries, seeing what needs he is really going through, and needing to be remedied. The true church meets one another's needs as a true spiritual family. You don't want to live like a church, so you push all responsibility to God. And so they excuse themselves from their responsibilities as a church, and in this way they were no more than hypocrites playing at believers.

1 Joo 3:17 - Mas aquele que tiver bens deste mundo, e vir a seu irmo padecer necessidade, e fechar o seu corao de compaixo dele, como pode permanecer nele o amor de Deus?

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

James 2:15 - Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.

James 2:16 - If one of you tells him, "Go in peace; stay warm and well fed," but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that?

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Thesecondmoment of potential disunity came from Judaizers (Jewish Christians) who demanded that Gentile Christians become Jews and follow Jewish laws and traditions. The Jerusalem Council (James, Peter, and Paul) met in Acts 15 to settle controversy. This occurred around the year AD 49. The leaders did not require the Gentiles to be circumcised or to follow the law, but they did ask that Gentile disciples to be aware of Jewish sensitivities. Later in our studies we will look at ecumenical councils (like the one that occurred in Nicaea in 325). It's interesting to note that ecumenical councils aren't all bad; they had biblical precedent. It's good to get together and discuss our concerns and our differences.

Thethirdmoment of potential upheaval in the church came from Gnostic false teachers who claimed that the flesh was evil; therefore, Jesus did not come in the flesh. (To be accurate, this was an early form of Gnosticism; full blown Gnosticism did not arrive until the second century). The Gnostics held to a dualistic philosophy that believed the spirit was good and matter was evil. Salvation was to be acquired through ascetic practices where a person denied the flesh, thus giving life to the spirit. Also, the word Gnostic (fromgnosisor knowledge) meant there was a secret knowledge that must be acquired to achieve salvation. The more secret knowledge a personhad, the higher that personwould climb up the Gnostic ladder.

Paul and John battled this false teaching ( 1 Timothy 6:20, 1 John 4:2, 3). During the second century whole churches fell into apostasy through Gnostic teaching.

So we see that life in the early church wasn't easy sledding. Instead, there were various controversies that had the potential to split the church in two (or three or four) sects and factions. Thus you see strong teaching from Paul against false teachers and divisive people.

Much like us there were many Issues to consider.

God bless.

The Lord expects us to be aware of things happening..Not be asleep spiritually.

Genesis 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 16:20

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.

Luke 21:25

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

John 4:48

Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Acts 1:7

And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

1 Thessalonians 5:1

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 Timothy 4:2-4 - Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Be watchful, looking up. Keep a ear out for 3rd Temple building in Israel; completion.

God is a Spir'-it; and they that worship him must worship him n spirit and in truth. John 4: 24

Lynn God is Spirit John 4:24 we can't physically communicate with God, therefore many times in the scripture all of Gods creation in some aspect is used to describe a characteristic of God I.E. Gods eyes run to and fro in the earth its a figure of speech, God is my fortress and my rock of salvation, my God will bare his arm, God is a fountain of living water.

Now when were born again we again have a spiritual communication with the Father holy spirit 24/7 confessing

Romans 10:9+10 and believing and changing our lifestyle to Gods Word.

Hi

Mathew 3:10-11.

I would like to add one or two more things that I believe is to be very important. Whether by water baptism or baptism by the Holyspirit, is it evident in your life that spiritual baptism has taken place.

You will run into 2 major groups engage on this topic. One group is those who believe you are saved by confessing Jesus and keeping the commandments. Some of this group believe you can lose your salvation. This group is bond to a work base religion.

The other group believes "for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Even the faith you are being saved through is not your faith! it is a gift of God!

You have nothing to offer God in terms of salvation! I hold this view.

True baptism when you "GENUINELY" accept Christ as your savior there is production in your life that begins. You can't produce it or keep it from producing as you feed on the word.

I will share a few by verses below and hopefully others can expand on them or add to.

Notice Paul' he didn't have much to say about water baptism, but he had a lot to say about baptism by the Holyspirit.

Romans 6:4.

Romans 6:6-8.

Romans 6:11.

It does well to study all of Romans 6 to expand a little on "the production' of spiritual baptism.

JOHNS BAPTISM.

you can see a picture of this transition for the Jews drawn out for you by Paul in Romans 7:1-2. Read all.

Now read Mathew 3:10-11.

Israel was a natural branch that didn't bear fruit. Jeremiah 2:21. "Nor could it"

Also read Mathew 21:42-44. and John 15:1-7.

Now let's get back to our 2 groups.

You have the 1st group I mentioned that put themselves in bondage as did Israel and despising the truth.

believing in baptism outwardly but unbaptized inwardly.

EXAMPLE: Romans 2:25-29.

The 2nd group

Philippians 3:3.

Galatians 3:13.

John 8:36.

The outcome.

1John 2:3.

1 John 4:21.

This Love cannot be produced by self.

God bless.

That was a blessing

Krystin I'll present the scripture and you decide man originally was a 3 part Genesis 2:7 formed dust of the

ground and breathed into nostrils breath of life soul which is breath life nothing to do with the spirit which is

eternal. Genesis 1:27 God created man in His image = John 4:24 God is Spirit quote from Jesus Christ, this is not

saying man was a God this is saying with spirit man had a connection with God who is Holy and spirit not of the senses.

When man Adam and eve died in Eden what they lost was their spiritual connection with God the creator and became

body and soul life. When jesus Christ fulfilled His ministry it became available for man to become born again of Gods

gift which is holy spirit so man again had a spiritual connection with God. As it says in 1 Corinthians 2:14 the natural

man cannot know experiencial knowledge the things of God because there is no spiritual connection. When we are born again we receive the spirit of holiness Gods Gift or Holy Spirit wehich is eternal life spiritually.

Krystin I have seen to schools of thought on this. Scripturally this is what's written then you decide. John 4:24

Jesus Christ said God is Spirit you can't see taste touch smell or hear spirit in the senses. In Genesis 1:27 God created

man in His image it doesn't man became God it just means that man had a point of contact with God. Now in Genesis

chapter 2 verse 7 it says that God formed man of the dust of the Ground the body and then breathed into his nostrils

the breath of life air inhale and exhale and man became a living soul. In Genesis after the downfall man died spiritually

because he lost his spiritual connection with God, he could still breath air and had a body but he had no spiritual

connection to God. In true science everything goes back to its original point so when a christian falls asleep I.E. dies

the holy spirit goes back to God who gave it born again, you take your last breath and you body goes back eventually

bones take a long time to dust. From dust thou art and unto dust thou shalt return. Now some believe the spirit and soul are one in the same I don't see that biblically because spirit life is eternal and breath life will end in this world.

There have been several moments that were very difficult for me. Just recently I realized the years I studied scripture being confined mostly to bed after injuries: GOD ALMIGHTY is using it today, in being able to point others to scripture, without that difficult moment._..? .. would I have studied even half as much?. John 14:26, 2 Corinthians 4:17-18,

The losses I've suffered, has given me strength years before these recent trials. GOD had me prepared to face many difficulties. Through GOD's grace, taught me deeper trust in him & deeper realization of these scriptures. Hebrews 12:27-29, 2 Corinthians 1:3-7,

1 John 4:18,

Thank you for your blessing.

Hopefully these encourage you

Put your eyes to GOD ALMIGHTY! Philippians 2:10-13. James 4:13-15, 1 John 4:18, Matthew 24:4-51, Philippians 4:4-9,

Hopefully these are helpful

Dear sister "GiGi". In peace u said it.

i only share the words i have received on the day, so whether they get a heart to repent or set them free or be released from one or more burdens. Is that God's meaning to it. To day iv got: And share it willingly, because we do not live on bread alone but on every Word of God.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. Amen

ps. English is not my mother's language, and night hat / hood is when one does not see clearly then. :D Now this is shared and done. Today has its own troubles or fortunes. Be blessed

in His Holy Name Jesus Christ. And wich u and yours a Merry Christmas, Love u in Christ

Hello Cathleen Lovell,

I'd like to first address that if you lost a pet you loved. I'm sorry for your sadness. GOD has compassion Psalms 145:8-9, Matthew 10:29,

The scriptures do not say "all dogs go to heaven" however there are hints of some creatures.

Isaiah 65:25, Mark 16:15,

It says all beast shall give account of mans blood Genesis 9:5,6,

GOD cares so much for us that HE gave us HIS Son for our Salvation John 3:15-16, knowledge of this helps us trust HIM with everything for HE made it all, All of creation John 1:1, 1 John 4:18,

Hopefully these are helpful

Anthony,

Nothing changed, Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel because the covenant was only with the house of Israel, it had to be fulfilled before the new covenant could be made. We read Jesus told the woman at the well, salvation is of the Jews, John 4:22. The old covenant had to be satisfied, fulfilled by flesh living a perfect life, the price was paid the contract was completed. Jesus said He was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24.

He also told the apostles not to go but unto the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 10:6. Even after Jesus ascended, they only went to the Jews until Peter had his dream and Paul was called, this was to fulfill the prophecies. The word given to the Gentiles was still a mystery but as God told Abraham all nations were in the plan, Genesis 26:4. But, yes when Jesus first came was only for the lost sheep of Israel, the covenant had to be confirmed to the Jews first. Daniel 9:27 Romans 1:15-17. It was also to make the Jews jealous and save some as it was written, Romans 11:8-14.

God bless,

RLW

Jackie Just a reminder 1 John 4:16-18 also Philippians 4:8 great to memorize, give em heaven.

Hopefully these help.

Psalms 37,

Psalm 139,

1 John 4:18