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Simple truth, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his knowledge.

john 4:24 god is spirit......

Jesse.

I believe the emphasis here in John is not just the love for the brethren is evidence of

Christ in you,

But also the hatred for the brethren is evidence Christ is not in you.

1 John 2:3-11. ( AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW )that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

""He that saith he is in the light, and HATETH his brother, is in darkness even until now.

He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

But he that HATETH his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.""

1 John 4:20-21. If a man say, I love God, and HATETH his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

( And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.)

THIS IS LOVE WE CAN'T COMMAND THE FLESH TO DO, THIS HIGH ORDER OF LOVE AND COMMANDMENT SEEMS TO BE MORE LIKE RECOGNITION AND VIRTUE OF THE SPIRIT.

1 John 4:20-21. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

IF we're not in the light we may hear

"I NEVER KNEW YOU"

Abide in the true vine.

GOD BLES

Hi Jennifer.

Jesus was Jewish.when he walked down here.

HERE'S JESUS TALKING TO THE SAMARITAN WOMAN AT THE WELL.

John 4:22. Ye worship ye know not what: "WE" know what "WE" worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

GOD BLESS.

Hi Phil,

Jesus is called "the son of man" to emphasize the fact that he was truly human. There were some in the first century who did not teach this truth.

1 John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come IN THE FLESH is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come IN THE FLESH is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

Jesus is "the son of man". The Hebrew word "Adam" means, in fact, "man". Thus, Jesus is "the son of man (Adam). He is a descendant of Adam. He had a human mother, Mary, that made that possible.

Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, MADE (BORN) OF A WOMAN, made under the law,"

Romans 1:3-4 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh (THE SON OF MAN); And declared to be THE SON OF GOD with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Matthew 16:13 "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I THE SON OF MAN am?"

Matthew 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD."

John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am THE SON OF GOD?"

So, Jesus Christ is thus referred to as both "the son of man" and "the son of God".

With kind regards.

Greetings to all,

My feelings of believers, in Christ, being divided by all types of "doctrine and beliefs" is very saddening. I come as a peacemaker. As I have seen and been involved with debates about many things such as(needing to speak in tongues to know you have the Holy Spirit, keeping the 7th day Sabbath, you only have to believe to be saved, etc).

I so understand that no one is exactly the same and we may have different perspectives on things. Us being able to have peaceful conversations with one another is a Blessing. Even though we all being different, with different gifts and abilities, Christ is the same.

I just want to focus now on what I feel is most important. Love. If we truly live our lives with a pure heart founding ourselves on loving one another. We are fulfilling the law and God's Will. There is nothing greater than love. As Jesus Christ stated there is no greater love than to lay down his life for his friends. We should lay down our lives for Jesus Christ and let Him be the author of our lives. Him showing His love for us as He gave His life, as a perfect sacrifice, to save us from our sins. Also how much our Father loves us by sending His own Son to be a free gift of Salvation. That we may all be one in Him. He is the only way to the Father. The Lord searches hearts and knows all who are His. Let the Holy Ghost lead you to follow after Christ in His ways. To do what pleases Him.

In truth I say that I love you all and all of you are in my prayers every day. I could go on and on though I want to just read the Holy Bible. I shall leave a just a couple Scriptures for you all that the Lord brought me to that fit this post.

Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 4:7-19.

In humbleness, God Bless you all!

1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

(According to this verse, the antichrist was already present in the 1st century when the Apostle John wrote the verse. Therefore, the antichrist is not someone who is going to appear on the world stage in the near future but that has been around since the time of the Apostle John - false teachers are the antichrist.)

1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."

1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

To Rob: sorry I didn't see your question was about God's flesh. Here's some interesting, thought provoking scriptures.

Exodus 33

17 And the LORD said unto MOSES, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, AND LIVE.

21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my BACK PARTS, but my face shall not be seen.

John 4:24

GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Genesis 15 (ABRAHAM COVENANT)

8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?

9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.

10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.

12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. (God)

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying:

Mishael

Great, thank you Richard.

What I was hoping to compare is the word for fear in 1 John 4:18 (perfect love cast out fear) vs. Luke 12:5 (fear him... who can cast you to hell).

So, I found Bible Hub has a Greek interlinear comparison and found the following:

1 John 4:18 (perfect love cast out fear): fear = Phobos/phobon (fear, terror, alarm; object or cause of fear; reverence, respect.

Luke 12:5 (fear him... who can cast you to hell): fear = phobthte (to frighten, be alarmed by. By analogy, to be in awe of; Revere.)

It appears to be the same root word, but just like in English its common to have different meanings for the same word, like the word 'conceive'. So, I believe at bare minimum fearing God means to be in upmost awe of and reverence. The context of being afraid of the one who can send you to hell seems to indicate a dose of real fear as well, maybe similar to a child being afraid when they risk doing something wrong and fear punishment by their parents, but I think this is different than fear/terror that perhaps is used in 1 John 4:18, that perfect love will get rid of that.

Interested if anyone else has another perspective on this.

In reply to " The 1st commandment is to LOVE God not fear him"

The Bible says many times to fear God. The Bible doesn't say to "not" fear God as you put it. 1 John 4:18 seems to suggest love and fear and opposites. Maybe these are mutually exclusive when it comes to how we treat others, but maybe God in an exception. The Bible clearly says to love God and clearly says to fear God. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe that it's both. Some say the fear means a high level of respect rather than a petrified fear. If anyone wants to compare the original Hebrew or Greek to see if its the same word or not, that might be helpful.

Proverbs 9:10, Ephesians 5:21, Jeremiah 32:39, Luke 12:5, Leviticus 25:17.

Wait, Pray, Meditate on Father God. Be a Spiritual detective and seek the lessons to be learned as we walk through and out the valley of the shadow of death (23rd Psalms). God is LOVE (1 John 4:8, 16). And like a Good Parent, Father God must Give tough LOVE at times. We will, and are by Faith, Flying like Eagles right here and right now through the Spirit of God In Us. We wait on the LORD to Fly Higher to get Stronger. This time in history looks scary (Matthew chapter 24). But We WIN like Jesus Christ WON!!! Christ Conquered death for us ( Revelation 1:18). Amen. God and Christ LOVES us.

It is a spiritual relationship.

1 Corinthians 2:14

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

John 4:24

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

God Bless

James, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

god is spirit

john 4:24

the word was god

john 1:1

my words are spirit and life

john 6:63

christ was the first born of the word and the spirit

revelation 3:14 ... the beginning of creation.

yes the word is a person; christ existed long before he was made flesh.

Hello Jesse,

Please forgive me as I don't want to get in between the discussion of you & Adam. Though I feel to write my perception on this matter. As I believe it is important to us all.

To begin I don't feel what you stated about the two Greek words for "good", meaning one is of God and the other of men, is completely accurate. First I would say everything good is of God weather the person knows God literally or not. As Love is of God and those who abide in love are of Him to 1 John 4:7. Now weather that person has been drawn to the light, Jesus Christ, yet is up to God. Also stated in Romans 2:12-15 about how those who do what is right or "good", even though they have not heard the law, shows Gods law written on their hearts. They being obedient to God and not even knowing it.

Back to the word "good" in the Greek. The two words you gave are the two words used the most for "good" in the NT. G18 and G2570. Though they are not the only words used for simply put "good". We have "cherestotes-G5544", "eudokia-G2107', and "eupoiia-G2140" for a couple others. Showing in Hebrews 13:16 that just because it's not the word "agoth.." doesn't mean God isn't pleased with it.

Also how in a couple instances like 1 Timothy 6:18, and 1 Timothy 5:10. the words "agoth.." and "kalos" are both used in the same verse.

Now of coarse what you stated in that if someone seems to be trying to "earn" there way into Heaven, by good works, hopefully they will find out there is only one way and that is Jesus Christ. We have all fallen short in our lives. Thanks be to the Grace of our Father in Heaven He sent us His Son. To now focus on Him and let Him lead the way for us. We need Jesus Christ our Lord just as we need our Father in Heaven.

God Bless you Jesse. Please don't let my message come to you the wrong way. It is from the heart.

Continuation,

We must stay humble before the Lord. Give our lives to Him and follow Jesus Christ as He is the only way to our Father.

I guess to end this post will be to "lukewarm" Christians. We are warned there is no middle road. It is one way or the other. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many go that way. Straight and narrow is the way to life and few that find it. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils. 1 Corinthians 10:21, Matthew 6:24. As this comes to Revelation 3:15-16. People who are walking the line are going to have to make a choice. I pray they make that choice today as no one knows when the Lord shall require our life. Or when our last day shall be.

Another question I would feel to ask a believer is "are you ready"? Do you love the Lord enough to give your life for Him? As in John 15:13-14, Jesus states there is no greater love than to lay down his life for His friend. Matthew 16:24-25. Love is not perfected yet if you are still afraid as in 1 John 4:18.

I will just leave some Scriptures for others. How we should focus on things above and not of this world. Live our life for the Lord to do the Will of our Father in Heaven. As all is conditional in that the closer you draw to Him the closer He will draw to you. God Bless you my brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Colossians 3:1-6, Colossians 3:13-17,

Matthew 16:27, 1 Peter 1:17,

Malachi 3:7, James 4:6-8,

Hi Thomas.

I would like to second our brother Chris, It would take a powerful force to restraint the work of Satan,

1 John 4:3-4. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU, THAN HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD.

We witness the same restrainer mentioned here in our lives, in our everyday walk in this world.

I think it's not just Satan will turn up his activity, those left behind will be more receptive.

Nolonger equipped with the armor as mentioned in Ephesians 6.

I am so sorry to hear about your situation, it is very sad. But keep on praying. You have the right approach to not fight yourself, but let God do the fighting for you.

Romans 8:31 "What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?"

1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

God bless.

Carlson, Your answer will depend on what you understand love to be. See 1 Cor 13 for a great definition of true brotherly love.

1 John 4:7-21 When you read this the answer to your question will be evident.

Love loves everything.

Hate hates everything.

Love wins.

John 3:16 | View whole chapter

For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 4:11

Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

The 2 words, The World, means Everybody.

Everybody is a candidate to enjoy Gods love and affection; His guidance; and much more.

If you are a born-again Christian Jesus is in your heart. Jesus is greater than the devil. The Bible says in 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. That means that Jesus will not permit you to be demon-possessed. There is demon influence, however. 1 Peter 5:8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

I advise you to talk to a minister. I will pray for you.

"Know ye not that...ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price" 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

"We love him, because he first loved us" 1 John 4:19

"That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life" Luke 1:74-75

"If ye love me , keep my commandments" John 14:15

"If a man love me, he will keep my words" John 14:23

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46

"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven" Matthew 1032-33

"This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in a like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" Acts 1:11

"And then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" Matthew 24:30

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory" Luke 21:27

"And before him shall be gathered all nations" Matthew 25:32

"His name shall be called...The mighty God" Isaiah 9:6

"My Lord and my God" John 20:2

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest" Luke 1:32

"that Holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16

"And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" John 1:34

"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" Matthew 3:17

"God sent his only begotten Son into the world" 1 John 4:9

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" Matthew 16:16

"The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" 1 John 4:14

"And thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" Matthew 1:21

"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20

"But when the fulness of the time was to come, God sent his Son" Galatians 4:4

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14

"Behold, thou shall conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS" Luke 1:31

"Then said Mary to the Angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" Luke 1:34

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

" Thou son of David, fear not to take Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost" Matthew 1:20

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14

"I am the bread of life....This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from Heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" John 6:48-51

Amen!

Deuteronomy 18:18

King James Version

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Jesus spoke his Father's word.

The Father spoke through him.

The Father is the one that doeth the works. Who is the Father? The Holy Spirit ( John 4:24, Leviticus 11:44)

Blessed be the name of the Lord!

And Jesse, just to add a portion of Scripture that I often refer to (& to which bro. Adam has recently & correctly highlighted in another comment), is 1 John 4:1-3:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

To affirm & confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, is NOT simply a belief that there was an historical Jesus on Earth Who went about doing good & speaking the Words of God - even the devils know that fact (an abundance of references exist showing Jesus dealing with them). But to confess that this Jesus had a pre-existence (to which we now know that He was vitally & inseparably connected to the Godhead from Eternity to Eternity, known as the Word of God ( John 1:1 & Revelation 19:13)), has "in due time" (God's appointed time) appeared to mankind from God to be given flesh & be called the Son of God & to lay down His Life for sinners.

Any departure from this great Truth was the overwhelming burden on the Apostle John's heart as he had the constant battle before him to warn & protect the children of God from the intrusions of Gnosticism into the Church. And particularly an offshoot of it (Docetism) which taught "that the incarnation was incredible (unbelievable, false), because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, such as a body". How sad that Christians even today are gripped with that false belief & proclaiming that God, by sending out His Word, could not have assumed a body of flesh (the incarnation). John tells us that the spirit of antichrist was alive & well then as we even see it today.

Respectfully, that is your opinion, and not what the scripture declares. You have chosen to interpret the Bible a certain way and that is your opinion. Most Christians don't read the Bible in the way you describe and disagree with you. But what really matters is what God says the truth is. There's been some fake news circulating around lately where some are claiming Jesus isn't God, but a few Bible scriptures debunk that lie very quickly.

Here's what the scripture declares: John 10:30. John 1:1. 1 John 5:7-8.

The heresy of claiming Jesus didn't become man and wasn't who he said he was even occurred back in Jesus' times and is even in the Bible! 1 John 4:2; 2 John 7. It literally calls these people spreading the lies the antichrist.

So, the Bible clearly says that Jesus is God and was fully man. Since it says that, the phrase Jesus was fully God and fully man sounds true. Just because the phrase in that word order doesn't appear in the Bible doesn't mean it's not 100% true. The Bible also doesn't use the word restroom anywhere, but that doesn't mean people never had to use a bathroom or toilet.

Since it clearly says in the Bible it's true, it seems like an unusual argument to make against it being true. It doesn't seem like such an argument would come without scripture evidence or without serious prayer asking God if this is true or not, before spreading such information around. The Bible calling someone an antichrist is not a joke- that is a serious offense to mislead others and try to stir up doubt in the body of Christ. So, what is your evidence of this and have you first prayed to God and asked for confirmation if this idea contrary to scripture is "true"?

God bless...

Respectfully,

Jesus was never "fully God & fully man" (that term is not found in scripture)

The man Christ Jesus is called the Christ, because he was annointed with the holy Spirit of his Father. This is the definition of the word; Christ - the annointed one.

When was he annointed? :

Luke 3:22

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

This is when the fulness of the Godhead (God the Father who is the Holy Spirit - John 4:24/ Leviticus 11:44) began to dwell in the body of His Son ( Colossians 2:9).

Not at His birth.

Yes, Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit (God the Father)-( Matthew 1:18) in the womb of a virgin.

But the Holy Spirit (God) did not begin to dwell in His Son until His baptism by John in the Jordan.. and only then did Jesus begin His 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.

This is not my opinion, this is what the scripture declares.

Greetings in Jesus' name, Chris.

Please forgive me not replying sooner, but I didn't see you had addressed your message to me due to the abbreviation.

A.

So concerning Isaiah 28:11-12. If this is not prophesying of the Holy Ghost as you claim; then why does Paul quote it in 1st Corinthians when speaking about the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:21-22

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Jesus himself said that those who believe will speak in other tongues: Mark 16:17

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

B.

As per your claim that the apostles believed in a "trinity" of gods, that is heresy. Every Jew (including Jesus) was taught from an early age on that there is only one God in reciting the Shema ( Deut. 6:4) Jesus quoted it in Mark 12:29:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:

Paul (also raised as a devout Jew under Gamaliel) also understood this:

1 Timothy 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 God + 1 man (in whom God dwelt - 2 Cor 5:19) does not = 3 "gods".

Research the pagan trinity of babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz) and how Constantine united pagans and "christians" @ the same time he was slaughtering Christians because they were just growing stronger the more he had them killed.

Numbers 23:19

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God did not become a man. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24).

This first scripture clearly warns that Satan will have power to deceive human beings with false signs, even tales of alien creatures, spaceships, mermaids, monsters, vampires, you name it. Cable and streaming tv are full of it.

Guard your mind, heart and eyes. Christians should not view slop on Saturday and sing in Church on Sunday. Don't let your kids watch it.

There is an alternative to watching Netflix. It's called PUREFLIX. I highly recommend it. It's not corny or lame. It's entertaining and doesn't pollute your soul. There's movies for the guys too! You can view the Free Trial for 10 days.

In Deuteronomy 28: God says, Choose Life, so that you and your children may live.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 - [Even him], whose coming is after the working of SATAN with all power and signs and LYING wonders,

Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very ELECT (us).

2 Timothy 3:1-5 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. (Read More...)

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Revelation 16:14 - For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Mark 13:22 - For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. (YOU)

John 4:48 - Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Good question? Whose signs and wonders are we watching?

Mishael

OnlytruthintheworldKJV, I do not understand the latter part of your post maybe that's me. My post was on the 7-year rapture theory using the last week of the 70th-week prophecy to create 7 years. My meaning was no part of that prophecy should be combined with Revelation. There is a lot that was fulfilled during those 70 weeks. More than can be covered in a small post. As far as the temple I have not found any scriptures that say there will be another before Jesus sets his kingdom upon the earth but there could be. If you read ( Revelation 21:22) The holy city, New Jerusalem there is no temple.

Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel and Jesus commanded his disciple to only go to the lost sheep and not to go unto the Gentiles.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

They did not until Peters dream and Jesus appeared to Paul, around the same time Stephen was killed. That ended the 70th-week. If you read ( Matthew 23:31-38) it shows who made it desolate and the temple was destroyed 30+ years later in their generation, by the people of the prince, Rome. When Jesus was talking to the woman at the well he talks about this happening. ( John 4:21-24).

God bless, Ron

THERE ARE TWO JUDGMENTS

May the Spirit grace us with His truth an understanding.

If there are not two judgments, then how are the saints going to judge the world; because all have to be judged.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come (during a persons physical lifetime) that JUDGMEMT must begin at the house of God ( Hebrews 3:6): an if it first begin at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God.

1 Corinthians 11:31-32 For if we would judge ourselves (by the word of God), we should not be judged.

(vs 32) But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord (as children), that we should not be condemned with the world.

1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect (love your enemy), that we may have boldness in the day of judgment (in our lifetime), because as he is (he loves his enemies), so are we in this world.

Jude 1:15 To execute judgement on all, and to convince all (some are convinced in their lifetime some are not)....

2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and TRIBULATIONS that you endure:

(vs 5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, which you also suffer:

1 Timothy 5:24 Some men's sins are open before hand, going before to judgment; and some men they (judgments) follow after.

There are many more scriptures that confirm two judgments if you look for them; most don't look but are happy to follow the traditions of man.

Dr. Wade, first I'm sure you will hear several answers on the daughters, from me would be speculation.

When Jesus came, He came for only the lost sheep of Israel to fulfill the first covenant and confirm the new covenant. Matthew 15:24.Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant so they obeyed the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh day and man does not have the authority to change it. If we worship on a Sunday we still can not call it the Sabbath. Some call it the Lords Day for resurrection day. We are to worship in Spirit John 4:24, any day of the week or all. The Sabbath is also in the law.

Rom. 14:4-6 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth, not and giveth God.

The division started with Constantine's Sunday law and the penalties came down at Laodicea. The two reasons I am aware of, the Roman and Greek pagan religion festivals and worship were on Sunday and they used these days to introduce Christian holidays. The other, many Christians were meeting on the Sabbath along with the Jews and they did not want them to.

Gal.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

If said the commandments of God is the Law, including the 10, if we try to be justified by them we are "a debtor to do the whole law". We are to be obedient in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. May God bless, Ron