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Salvation (part 2)

In the early Church, the requirement for salvation was the presence of God's Spirit dwelling within a person. Paul instructed, in Romans 8:9, "Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this one is not of Him." In Romans 8:14, he wrote, "For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God."

And again, in Romans 8:16, he instructs that "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are children of God." Also, in 2 Corinthians 13:5, Paul challenged the church at Corinth: "Examine yourselves, if you are in the faith; prove your own selves, or do you not know your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you, except you are reprobates?"

John, writing in 1 John 3:24 supported this same understanding: "And in this we know that He abides in us, from the Spirit whom He has given to us."

He repeats this same truth, although worded somewhat differently, in 1 John 4:13, "In this we know that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He has given to us of His Spirit."

From the preceding scriptures, we see that salvation happens only when God's Spirit enters and remains in a person's spirit, thereby causing spiritual birth. Nothing in the Bible teaches that salvation is accomplished by the repetition of the Sinner's Prayer or through the performance of any other kind of human formula.

In addition to teaching that God is the sole source of salvation, the Bible also teaches that every saved person is kept by the power of God. Peter writes, in 1 Peter 1:5, that believers are, "The ones who are being kept in the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Paul writes on the same subject, in Galatians 5:17, "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are opposing to one another; in order that you should not do what you want."

No, you cannot lose your salvation, here is why:

1. We are washed from our sins by the blood of Christ. Rev. 1:5

2. We are justified or acquitted from all guilt. Rom. 5:1; Tit 3-7

3. We receive the forgiveness of all sins. Col 1:14; 2:13

4. We are redeemed or purchased by God through the blood of

Christ. I Pet. 1:18; Heb. 9:12

5. We are born again spiritually into God's family. John 1:12; 3:3-5;

Gal 3:26; I John 5:1

6. Our sins are not imputed unto us. Romans 4:8 Romans 5:13 7. We are given eternal life and shall never perish. John 10:28; I

John 5:11-13

8. We are reconciled or restored to a right relationship with God. II

Cor. 5:18; Col 1:21

9. We are made the righteousness of God. II Cor. 5:21

10. We receive the Holy Spirit. I Cor. 6:19; I John 4:13

11. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit to the day of redemption. Eph.

1:13-14; I John 4:13; II Cor. 1:22

12. We are anointed by God with the Holy Spirit. II Cor. 1:22; I John

2:27

13. We are placed into the body of Christ. I Cor. 12:13,27

14. Our bodies become the members of Christ. I Cor. 6:15; Eph 5:30

15. We become one spirit with the Lord Jesus. I Cor. 6:17

16. God becomes the owner of our body and spirit. I Cor. 6:20

17. We are placed into Christ and found "in Him". John 14:20

18. We are risen with Christ to life. Col 2:12-13; 3:1

19. We are adopted as sons of God. Eph. 1:5; Rom 8:15

20. We enter into the grace of God. Rom 5:1-2

21. We are delivered from darkness and Satanic power. Col 1:13;

Eph. 5:8; Acts 26:18

22. We are placed into the kingdom of Christ. Col 1:13

23. We have been spiritually healed. I Pet. 2:24; Acts 28:27

24. We are chosen in Christ to be blameless before Him Eph. 1:4

25. We are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ. Rom 8:29

26. We are elect according to the foreknowledge of God. I Pet. 1:2

27. We are perfected or made complete forever. Heb. 10:14

28. We are preserved or kept safe in Christ Jesus. Jude 1; II Tim.

4:18 29. God forgets all our sins forever. Heb. 10:17

30. We are s

Who said the Holy Spirit is a person and what exactly do you mean by 'person'? The Bible doesn't say that. God the Father is also a spirit. John 4:24

One of the seven spirits is the spirit of counsel, I believe we are on this site for counsel to seek:

the spirit of wisdom

the spirit of understanding

the spirit of knowledge...

for the bible.

I have seen the pictures that have returned from Mars. what a difference between our galaxy and the one we see around Mars! A difference in the positioning of the stars, and the night sky . How thankful I am, that God placed the earth where He did and that we are not struggling to survive on this destitute place! If I have come away with anything, it is how thankful we should be for what He has given us, and how we should respect the earth and the life in it! How the nature and the creation are exactly what the bible say " the evidence of things that appear" The eternal God head.

Hi Donna, I would have only one question, is the word of God being taught? we went through this exact situation a number of years ago in our church, some left on so called principle but most stayed, at the end of the day we survived.

I'm fully aware of what it says in 1 Corinthians, but, as in Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." this would be more of my view of what the word church really means as opposed to the physical building used for worship. I don't read any version of the bible other than KJV, but as per others that are much more learned than myself, the KJV is more accurate. Like in our church, I'm sure the fellowship in your church would be like family, Just a question, would bible study as a group work. Throughout the bible you find that there are a number of women who influenced their fellow man proclaiming Jesus ministry, I've listed just a few.

I do hope this may help

John 4:25-29 Because of the Samaritan woman at the well, many came to believe,

Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"

Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"

Acts 9:36-42 40 "But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up."

HI Michael. Lets pick up from verse 10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verse 11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, we speak what we do know, and testify that what we have seen; and you receive not our witness. Verse 12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Did you notice in verse 10 Jesus states: " Art thou a master in Israel and knowest not these things? " ( Jesus miracles, his conduct, and his mission was consistent with the old testament scripture.)

John the baptist elaborates on it as well in the same chapter verses 31-33.

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. Now it's Jesus who speak what he has seen and heard, Those who receive through the power of the Holyspirit testify of this truth. John 16:12-13. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 4:23. Here Jesus is answering the woman of Samaria giving a lesson on its not where you worship its on how to worship, ""Through the power of the holyspirit"" John 16:14-15. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Maybe someone can elaborate on it further.

The Greek word (trophe) applies to 'food or nourishment', so I don't see that it was only meat that the disciples went to purchase. It could have been a combination of meat & vegetables, or even that which was already prepared. And there is nothing in the New Testament to suggest that Jesus was a vegetarian or a non-vegetarian. I believe that He enjoyed all food, any food that He was able to eat, but in Truth, His "meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." ( John 4:34), implying the much lower priority He placed on food & having a full stomach.

Greeting, Barry, in the Precious name of Jesus.

The same Greek word, troph, is used 15 times in the KJV: 13 times the King James translators used the word "meat" and 2 times the word "food" in Act 14:17 and Jas 2:15.

Yes, Jesus ate meat, because He celebrated Passover on many occasions with His disciples, which involves killing and eating the Passover lamb.

Kjv mentions meat while other translations mention food. Which is correct? Did our Lord eat meat?

Dear Sacha on 1 John 4:19 "We LOVE Him because He First LOVED us." Christians who are worthy do go to Heaven after death. And the Meek (the Teachable) will inherit the Earth right here and right now, and in the Hereafter. We pray this has helped you in some way. Peace.

When you say we are told not to change the bible, I'm happy that we agree on something, when you talk of the many different bible versions, I'm also aware that there is, but chose to only read the KJV, I'm sure they're meant to be more relevant to today's english but as in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 Satan can transform himself into an angel of light and deceive many, just by changing a few words. Fornication is most certainly a terrible sin throughout society today and also in biblical times, and is mentioned 35 times in the KJV but when you look at Romans 1:20-32 and Galations 5:14-26 it is only one of many sins of the flesh. "Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents," to name just a few. John 8:3-11 Jesus forgive a woman caught in adultery, John 4:6-43 the Samaritan woman at the well living in fornication was one of the first women evangelist. Luke 18:10-14 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican." he was not justified, Luke 23:43 the first person Jesus took to paradise was a thief on the cross. Sin in whatever form is evil in God's eyes, but I'm sure your well aware of that. Just as God judged the people in Sodom and Gomorrah and in Noah's day, I try (sometimes I fail) to let God judge the transgressors of today, and focus on the narrow road to the cross for my Salvation. Because as in Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife." we don't want to turn into that pillar of salt.

Some of my favorite scripture to help me keep things in perspective is the Beatitudes and sermon on the mount, and also Luke 10:27-37 the story of the good Samaritan.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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The scripture identify this body we live in as a tent, this body goes back to ground in which it came, our spirit goes to be with the Lord is the way I understand it. And yes you should Know that you have eternal life, If not that would contuary to faith. That's why we have entered into his rest. 1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. Ephesians 1:13-14. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of PROMISE,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 2 Corinthians 1:21-22. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. 2 Corinthians 5:4-6. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Therefore we are always CONFIDENT. knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: If I had to trust in me I couldn't be confident, but God already paid down on his procession and sealed my destiny and he gave me the spirit of promise, and will redeem his purchase. Thats why we can't loose our salvation, it's not in our hands to fumble, it's in God's. To say you can't know is contuary to our faith. God is faithful. And when we are saved it will manifest im our mortal bodies, Romans 8:11. A live branch bare good fruit, We may not be perfect but there is a transformation taking place, and "POSITIONALLY" sanctified. THX

Hi Danae, we read here the final words of the risen Jesus speaking to John, concluding with this great invitation. This invitation is to all people, those from Jesus' day ( John 4:9-15): "living water' = "water of life" to all people since that time. And this invitation has always been open to all, all of us who are sinners, that we are to come to Him, to the foot of the Cross, whereby we may find that shed blood to cleanse us from all sin & that "living water" that brings refreshment to our parched & spiritually thirsty hearts. His teaching to the Samaritan woman was that of 'well water' (physical water) that at best can only satisfy us physically & in the short term. But His Water (the spiritual water) is not from a 'well dug into the ground', but from the 'well' deep within the believer continually 'bubbling over & over', bringing deep satisfaction, quenching our thirst & giving assurance of our faith & of everlasting life.

But "why does God give us a choice since He is Sovereign?" Man has always had the power to choose, usually unwisely (I think of the first bad choice made by Adam & Eve). But when it comes to receiving salvation, even though God already knows our response to the Gospel & His Spirit's call (tug) on our hearts, the invitation is always there, because a response is required. If the Gospel is to be preached for a sinner to be saved, that sinner must first sense the Spirit's conviction of that sin & that either produces true repentance or a disregard to it. If that person is appointed to eternal life (according to God's foreknowledge of that person), that conviction in him, must produce something, or else he is merely a machine (robot). We are humans that involuntarily respond to all kinds of situations; & to sin's conviction, we cry out to God for forgiveness & when God sees that torn, wretched soul seeking its hope only in Christ, salvation is granted & permanent. Yes, God is sovereign but He requires our response to His invitation ( Rev 22:17).

If you will read second Timothy I think it may give you some answers, don't know exactly what you are asking Women can be prophets and teachers, we as one in the body of Christ can tell about Jesus, teach about Jesus

Hi John.. Galatians 3:28 (KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

what does the Bible says about Women in the Church?

Bahss,

The principle to remember is that " A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." Galatians 5:9 How much error/leaven must you know, to know truth? None. While God exposes the leaven as opposition to himself, he always exhorts us to reject it at the slightest appearance.

"After all, they are inspired by God to some extent too right?" Your assumption is not "after all", but inspite of all known revelation. That is, clearly God has spoken to the world through his revelation of himself in the middle east. To want something other/more is to slight the importance he "has" revealed.

American Treasury agents are given genuine currency to study carefully, and thereby, they have the ability to better detect counterfit currency.

Bahss, what other 'books' are you thinking of referring to, to learn more of God? Have you read any of those books, such as the Quran, Bhagavad Gita, Tripitaka, Adi Granth, etc.? Or are you thinking of the Deuterocanonical Books (or the Apocrypha)?

Of the former group of books I mentioned, even though God is mentioned, also man's shortcomings, a means of salvation, & a future existence, I wonder what you would gain from them given that in each one of the doctrines mentioned, the view of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism & Sikhism is not only different from the Judeo-Christian teaching & understanding, but also in opposition to it. If you could first study those religions, how they were formed, their teachers/teaching, & the end of their faith, you might just at that point discover how far removed they are from biblical teaching.

In respect to the Apocrypha, again they were generally written in those silent years of the Bible & into the period after Christ. And these were not included in the Canon of Scripture because of their doubtful authorship, origins, declared 'truths' or even verses that are in opposition to accepted Writ. What we have in the Bible (NT) are from authors that are known & have been in direct contact with the Lord Jesus & given that bases, any other Scripture, whether from the Apocrypha or from other religions, must be approached cautiously or even totally rejected, lest our own understanding of God's Word is polluted with error. Not everyone has that ability to identify errors - he must know the Bible very well first. I do see value in the Apocrypha but one would never see me refer to them to support or exegete what is given to us in the Bible.

And yes, God did choose Israel to be the recipients of His Word & Law, to the exclusion of all other tribes & peoples in the world. What we have now is indeed God's Word & that Word was brought into the World in Jesus, Who then taught His disciples, who would teach others also, including us today.

The bible I.E. the scriptures are the only writings which testify of the Messiah and how man should believe in God and what man should believe spiritually, that you can take to the bank.

HOW ARE YOU FOLLOWING JESUS

Read about "the Spiritual Man" by Watchman Nee: its weighty, but thoroughly explains the inner workings of the flesh, our souls and the spirit (which is made alive) upon being born again and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

The Godhead is made up of 3 distinct persons. We are born of flesh and soul. When we receive Jesus as Savior and Lord, our spirits are made alive to God.

The Holy Spirit tells us about Jesus. In chapters 16-17

That's why it's paramount to build up our inner most selves on reading the Bible. Why not begin reading in the New Testament?

I did a study just in the Gospels about the dynamics between Jesus, the Father, the Holy Spirit; the Apostles; and you can see how the Body of Christ is to operate as a unit; one Body.

The Old Testament can be accessed to see the prophesies that have been fulfilled, or the few that are being fulfilled now.

We are to be involved in EQUIPPING the Saints of God for the Lord to have available; disciples to work in this End Time Harvest.

We are to be His Body that sees, hears, teaches and preaches what we have learned; TO THOSE THAT ARE PERISHING !

Has anybody memorized the link out on the Red Section that has the Link: How TO Become A Christian??

Where is The Spirit of John the Baptist? Calling people to repent and be born again?

Do you know enough to lead them in a prayer for salvation? Point them to a Church that possesses the pure milk of the Word? 1 Peter2:2

1 Corinthians Chapter 3

1 And I, brethren, could NOT speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2 I have fed you with MILK and not with MEAT: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it; NEITHER NOW are ye able.

3 For ye are yet CARNAL: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

John 4:34

JESUS saith unto them, My MEAT is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work

The Bible contains a HUGE amount of truth ,Jesus is aaall over the old testament ,if i ever think that i have completely understood and fully appreciated the Bible in aaall its truth and perfect beauty i might have a look at some other religious books too but my guess is it will take me my whole life of regular reading to realy appreciate it and i will still have not fully understood everything ,the Bible is a very very deep well of wisdom and love and truth ,its more than enugh for me to be getting on with for the rest of my life .

Thats only for the new testament. Im making a claim for books outsude of the testaments. I.e. we can have the new and old testament as the bible. But why not have another area of texts where we can interpret the word lf God through other cultures? After all, they are inspired by God to some extent too right? Its not like God chose the middle east to be the source of all wisdom. Surely then it is up to us to seek the word of God in areas other than the bible without throwing the bible away obviously

Hello, the Bible is a collection of books that were considered canon, or inspired by God. To be deemed as such it had to meet rigid criteria. You can easily search in a few seconds what criteria was used for canon.

Why is it believed that only the Bible is the word of God? After all, it is compiled by the Church - not by God directly. So, as followers of Christ, should we not look to include external texts to help ourselves to understand God? Jesus told his own wisdom on his own authority - to be like Christ would mean to do the same, no? We should not reject the wisdom and truth in the bible but i believe we should always be trying to expand upon it. Just as science helps us to undrrstand God's creation, non-biblical texts or so-called 'pagan' religions can also help us understand God right?

Verse 34-By giving the answer at John 4:34 Jesus showed that he really felt nourished and strengthened by doing God's work

Ephesians 4:30 30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Most of us grieves the Holy Spirit = when we disobey our Lord, the Holy Spirit is burden with sorrow, so it cannot blend or unite with our human spirit. When we: lie, even white lies but don't repent, gossip, spread false doctrine, judge others, unkind or ungodly thoughts, finding faults with others, blaming others for our mistakes, anger and being deceitful, manipulating others to get your ways, self-justification, adultery, fornication, stubbornness, prideful, refuse to speak to family members, homosexuality, others.



1 John 2:15 - 16 15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Here are four specific examples of situations in which the disciples didn't "get it," Holy Spirit not in them.

In John 4:31-34, the disciples encouraged Jesus to eat, and He replied, "I have food to eat of which you do not know." Jesus' closest followers thought their Master was referring to physical food, so He explained to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work."

Matthew and Mark report that Jesus taught His hearers that certain things coming out of an individual defile him or her, not specific, forbidden foods that enter into a person or failing to perform a ritual such as hand washing. The disciples asked for an explanation. Jesus gently rebuked them and explained real problems arose from "evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness." Every one of "these evil things," He said, "come from within and defile a man" ( Mark 7:21-23).

This can happen to us today, if and when we grieve the Holy Spirit.

Leslie this is my understanding Christ will appear for His Church the Body of Christ and gather it together thessalonians then the book of revelation where at the end all will be raised from the dead and face Gods Judgement, now remember I said thats what I understand but trust me there are a lot of different ideas on this. But remember we who believed and have been made righteous in Gods eyes are spiritually perfect, no judgement day, I.E. terminator Smiles.

If you use the SEARCH BOX on this website, you will see for yourself what the Bible says about a/any subject. No matter denomination, persuasion: you rely on what the scriptures say.

LORD OF THE HARVEST

"For unsaved loved ones, it takes rock solid faith in Jesus (unmovable), to pray for the Lord of the Harvest to send laborers into the paths of your resistant relatives.

He arranges divine appointments for people to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ with the convicting power of the Holy Spirit.

They, with the Father, CREATED all we see and know. Is there anything too hard for the Lord? In REVELATION there is a scene of Jesus with a sickle, reaping the Harvest.

Get in on this! Pray for these stubborn relatives, loved ones, belligerent teenagers; even the old, the drugged up; the angry at life, everybody! Even perfect strangers.

Christ-like Love should drive you to your knees, often if not every day. Budget one hour to do serious business in your prayer life. Pray for LABORERS TO BE SENT.

This is called, love and obedience to the known will of God. Jesus is the Lord of the Harvest. Sitting at the right hand of God, making intercession for all saints. Ask and receive. Keep your faith fixed on Jesus only.

PRAY TO THE LORD OF THE HARVEST.

" Matthew 9:37

Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;

Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

Matthew 13:30

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into MY BARN.

Matthew 13:39

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

Joel 3:13

Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

Mark 4:29

Matthew 10:32

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 12:8

Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1 John 4:15

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

John 12:42

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

Romans 14:11

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philippians 2:11

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 3:5

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Romans 15:9

And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

John 9:22

These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.