Notice here in John 4:9 the Samaritan woman at the well calls him a Jew
"Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans".
Again, Listen to Jesus here in John 4:22 "Ye worship ye know not what: WE know what WE worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
By the way, You might want to read and study scripture for yourself. These questions and answer forums can sometimes be a help but sometimes can be confusing.
" And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth."(v.7)
What is the role of the raven and later a dove that Noah sent from the ark? The writer to the Hebrews says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son."(He.1:1-2)
" The dove has a double function and the significance of the raven goes beyond feeding Elijah in his distress but serves us to understand the mind of Christ.
"And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us./ And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."( Luke 9: 49-50) Jesus could work with people of all hues for he knew what was in their mind. Noah similarly accommodates,-metaphorically speaking, the entire creation under his charge. His name Noah signified rest. So the Spirit ties Noah as a rest-giver with Jesus who was the prince of peace.
The raven flew hither and thither till the waters drained off from the face of the earth but he chose not to return. He however serves us to understand that it makes all sorts of people whose service to God have their own shape and colour. When Jesus tells his disciples, "I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labour."( John 4:38)
The dove with 'an olive leaf pluckt off' is an emblem. Its primary sense: the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which would meld holy families 'in the now' for the holy city of God in eternity.
The dove represented His messengers ie., John the Baptist who was anointed in his mother's womb to serve as ' friend to the groom'. Thirdly the dove served as a harbinger of House of Prayer for all nations in eternity. (Ps.128:3) Olive signifies gladness and glory of the church. (Ps.104:15)
"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(v.3)
God is a Spirit and His covenant with Man sets two worlds of the body and of the Spirit. He shall not henceforth strive with man in the Man component, on the basis of the day of creation but in terms of the logos aspect of the Son who therefore represents the way for his salvation. Gospel of Christ is tagged by the command number 12. Every man shall bear his burden and shall be responsible to keep this covenant "Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice."(Ps.50:5). Predestination disperses all spiritual blessings in his Son to man who is committed. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.
'Yet his days shall be'
Jesus chose 12 disciples, which gives us the clue: He represents the Gospel of his Father. As the logos aspect he is Four while as a Son he is tagged by the command number Three. The will of God in the key verse sets his days as 120 days. (4x3x10) The number 10 refers to the Law of the Lord.
The man holds two worlds, which are about the heart a spiritual space. By his life hidden in heavenly place he has length, breadth and height, which is time. By setting his days to the Law, which is settled in heaven every man has a spiritual volume in terms of the Gospel. Each member of the body of Christ consequently is an angel as well as man. "The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal./ And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."(Re.21:16-17)
"As he is so are we in this world"(1 John 4:17) has only a single measure that of the spiritual body,'the 'body thou hast prepared me.' Holding on to Christ the head we are of the selfsame measure, that of both angel and of man.
"And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."
No one has located where Eden is actually but it is no matter. Fellowship of God with Man has an address for which the Spirit has only supplied the Garden as a reference point. The Son represents for us the Man component in the Fellowship so he is assigned Eden as the word of God says, 'The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool."(Is.66:1). Treat it as the kingdom of the dear Son and it explains where our blessings come from.
"And a river went out of Eden to water the garden." This river is associated with Jesus Christ which is how the Spirit has added details to the blessedness of the children of God. In the colloquy with the Samaritan woman he makes clear,"but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." It is provided by the grace of Jesus Christ. In the preceding verse he makes a distinction of the water issuing from his domain to the world of the Sprit, the garden and the water at the Jacob's well. " Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again." ( John 4:13-14) The world of the Samaritan woman may have as with the rural life revolved around the village well but receiving Jesus Christ as the Messiah changed her life forever. Her thirst that was never by sated by water she daily drank from is evident, "The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw."(v.15)
The Spirit instructs us that Adam's world was special because God had planted the garden in his Son for Adam and Eve. Everything pertaining to life and godliness was on the house to want some useless advise from the serpent.
The truth of the matter is the river beginning at this point shall continue to the last chapter unbroken. (Re.22:1) This pure water of the river of life also serves as the river of time about which the entire God document is fleshed out.
God's attributes (D through G); Divinity; Essence; Father; God
These characteristics all are involved with the Trinity to some respect; but we will not attempt to "parse out" specific attributes related to any member of the Godhead in this posting but get into general characteristics here unique to the Lord. Divine has a sort of untouchable royalty associated with the sentiment behind the meaning; which of course sort of fits in with the "essense" generally of His precence. Father and God also are pretty well interchangeable as to our designation of the almighty Lord.
Divinity: God is high and exalted but not remote. Isaiah 57:15 states: "For this is what the high and exalted one says, the one who rules forever, whose name is holy: 'I dwell in an exalted and holy place, but also with the discouraged and humiliated, in order to cheer up the humiliated and to encourage the discouraged.' Philippians 2:7 shows how Christ emptied Himself from divine form and became a servant. Divinity is used in a handful of other verses as well; but we understand the condescension Christ did for our behalf as part of the "Divine counsel" ( Psalm 82:1).
Essence: To sum God up would bring unique characteristics (the three "O"s-omnipresence; omnipotence and omniscience which will be discussed later in the O section). God is to be worshipped in "Spirit and truth" ( John 4:24). He also came bodily and we must believe He came in the flesh (1 John 4:2) to have saving faith; thus we don't adhere to a "gnostic" gospel. His Godhead is important and apparently evident from creation (King James version Romans 1:20) which also BTW mentions His Divine nature.
He who denies the Son doesn't know the Father ( 1 John 2:23). Therefore we must hold to the Christian faith where there is the Messiah in Christ promised in the O.T.; as well as God the Father and the Spirit which lives within His elect ( Ephesians 1:13-14).
Father and God: God was Christ's Father and our heavenly father.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR, AND HATE THINE ENEMY.
But I say unto you, LOVE your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
( THERE'S THE CONTEXT! )
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Christ is giving an distinction between the days of old under the law and the coming Kingdom.
However here's much said about perfect love in 1 John 4:6-21
John Speaks much on this.
Here's a few verses from 1 John.
4:8 "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
4:10 "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:21 is my favorite.
"And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also".
Did you notice it doesn't say "he who loveth God "SHOULD" love his brother also?
Loving your brother is a condition that the Holyspirit causes when one truly loves God.
Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.
Paul states 2Cor 5:14
The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?
Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"
We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that
Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6
1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12
1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves
John 13:14 "as I have love you"
Folks,
To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5
The Grace of God that appears to all mankind, begotten Paul & he declares in 1Cor 15:10 made what he now is.
What the Apostles received by the Revelation of Jesus Christ from His Grace appearance, they wrote down in the Epistle's that bares their name, & they believed & attain unto this knowledge by the diligent exercising thereof Hebrews 5:14Hebrews 12:11Philippians 3:16
Here's a small unfolding of His Grace / Light
They let Patience James 1:4,25James 5:111Pet 5:9,10
Make you Perfect Hebrews 13:21
Be ye Perfect Matt 5:48 indicating this perfection is the same as the Father, there's not a different standard of holiness for mankind describe here.
The angel declared to Mary, Matt 1:21 not in their sin!
Folks,
Everything that God does is perfect, do you really believe that He would sent His only begotten Son to suffer all that He did for our sakes, & it not be a perfect restoration for His beloved creations.
I tell you by the Scriptures, sound reasoning & the Holy Ghost it's goes beyond the state of Adam innocents before he fell
Rom 6:3-5 the newness of life spoken of here is the likeness of His resurrection life & that is attain by working of His Divine Power 2Pet 1:2-4
I'm talking Grace, here now in this life. Don't be deceived, it's accompanies all that Christ experience, 1Pet 2:21 this too is apart of being make in His image & likeness, walking as He walk, the Apostles final got it after Pentecost, being baptized unto His death. This is when 1John 1:1-5 truly came into spiritual experiential experience. John 7:17
John 4:23,24 True worship is doing His will
& that will is reveal by His Grace / Light appearance in your heart. 2Cor 4:6,7
In my last post I ended with a discussion of the legalism of the Pharisees; as well as those that have what I call "sloppy Agape" or attempt to gloss over sin and use grace and forgiveness of all past; present and future sins as their excuse. In both of these cases at least for those who remain in a church fellowship we see an idolization of the Pastor most often who no doubt is contributing to one or the other error mentioned here. A true believer would move on if there is heresy coming from one of their own (see Acts 20:30). Justifying self righteousness is aided; of course when someone is financially well to do and credits the church leadership that promises "sowing a seed" will add to prosperity for all (whether or not they are giving a large sum themselves). The opposite of this are those widows and old ladies who are fleeced to their last dollar mesmerized by a Pastor who promises health and happiness with obedience and warns against not doing this despite what common sense would otherwise show.
This first paragraph assumes corrupt leadership. Another sign of our faith is respecting elders and pastors who ARE feeding the flock and tending the sheep properly. (see 1 Timothy 5:17). Disrespect of such authority often mainfests in impatience if a sermon runs 5 minutes late; frustration when genuine financial needs are brought up; lack of participation and interest in prayer and doing service projects in the church and for the comunity; etc. Beyond this; the admonitions of 1 John about loving the brethren are ignored (see 1 John 4:20). Such parishioners will sometimes leave; and we shouldn't strive to force them to stay.
There are others attempting to spread false doctrines which were of course never part of the true flock (see 1 John 2:19). They may leave but if not need to be dealt with lest they be a cancer that affects the whole flock (see warning in Galatians 5:9).
God is a Spirit. Worship of God is in the matter of creature giving glory to the Highest. The memorial of in heaven shows the subject matter and object of reverence. The four beasts for example never broke off from their devotion while they explained to St John of the significance of the bound book with seven seals. (Re.4: 8-9)."
While the Lamb opened one seal one beast says, 'Come and see.'(Re.6: 1). Thus with every beast and in the midst of these four beasts a voice is heard when the third seal is broken, "And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine (Re.6: 6)". Worship of God is in spirit and in truth. ( John 4: 23-24). The voice in the middle spoke language of the Spirit on non-verbal mode.
The medium of instruction is faith the same article our Savior Lord employed to do His perfect will, which to our intent and purpose is obedience. Thus spiritual understanding is what we require in order to be perfected as a man of God, 'thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
" Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered./ And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."(Ro.8:26-27) Literally interpreting the quotes in the Bible is like watching a 3-d film without polaroid glasses. Faith makes one hear the word of God both Father and the Son in focus.
"In Christianity, Universalism is a theological position that posits that all individuals, regardless of their faith or actions in life, will ultimately be reconciled with God and attain salvation. This belief has historically been considered heretical by many mainstream Christian denominations, especially those that adhere to doctrines of eternal damnation for the unrepentant.
Universalism: Known historically as apokatastasis, the belief that all persons will be saved. Hence universalism involves the affirmation of universal salvation and the denial of eternal punishment. Universalists believe that ultimately all humans are somehow in union with Christ and that in the fullness of time they will gain release from the penalty of sin and be restored to God. Twentieth-century universalism often REJECTS the deity of Jesus and explores the "universal" bases of all religions. See also Apokatastasis.
1 John 4:6 (KJV) 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of ERROR.
Once saved always saved is kind of like the word "Rapture"; the verses about being sealed with the Spirit until the Day of Redemption ( Eph. 4:30) basically indicate that once HIS work is completed we cannot "undo" it. We have passed from "death to life" ( John 5:24) if we truly believe; and 1 John 3:14 shows the same author indicating EVIDENCE through loving one another (specifically the brethren) that we are saved; as well as showing that if WE DON'T we are liars and the truth is not in us (1 John 4:20).
My first point is that there is always evidence of the Hope that is within us if it truly exists ( 1 Peter 3:15). The second point goes with it that we preach the truth; any other Gospel is "anathema" ( Gal. 1:8-9). Interestingly; 1 Corinthians 16:22 2 verses before the end of the book state that if any man does NOT love the Lord Jesus Christ let him be "anathema". These two verses domenstate we need truth and love; one doesn't work independently of the other.
I will make a general statement for my third point. The more knowledge we have; the more responsibility we have. Hence; there is greater punishment for those who walk away from the truth and go back to the world than those who never knew it in the first place ( 1 Peter 2:20-21). We only need to look at Lucifer himself to see how pride brought his judgment without mercy; since he was a Cheribum that led worship of music in heaven itself for an unknown time; created perfect in all his ways before that time ( Ezekiel 28:15).
The fourth point is related to the third; that much head knowledge apart from the inner man being renewed daily ( 2 Cor. 4:16) is at best a fruitless venture; at worst again leads to greater damnation without accompanying faith. Such a man often obsesses on one doctrine and ignores the integrity of all scripture; or worse can justify a sin by not being a Berean and "rightly dividing the Word" ( 2 Tim. 2:15) despite what all their church friends may say.
God sent his only begotten Son and the Spirit sets an action from the nation of Israel in order to emphasize what he was there for. In the divine Will of God, which is multi-layered, Jesus, the Lamb slain before the worlds began is same as the Lamb of God. Similarly of the corn of heaven the Israelites were fed with manna. In the fulness of time He sent his Son. Jesus declared, "I am the living bread which came down from heaven."( John 6:48-51)
Manna is qualified as 'angel's food'. Angel in this context refers to word of God and referring to the will of God they are the saints called according to the pleasure of His will. When Satan tempted Jesus he challenged him., "He said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread./ But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."(Matt.4: 3-4) Satan without understanding the basic quality of bread of heaven for which his body had to be broken first, was merely shooting air. ("My meat is to do the will of God"- John 4:34) Angel's food refers generally speaking to the will of God which preserved the cloud of witnesses of whom we in particular are shown in the night vision of Daniel. The writer to the Hebrews speaks of them, "seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,"(He.12:1-2). They in short refer to the world of the Spirit and our heart about which we are working out our salvation with patience.
These 10 are one.Wouldn't they be the name of the father of the Jews? John 8:44-45.
I am asking because according to the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-, Acts 4:11-12 say:
11-JESUS is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other:for there is none other NAME under HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved.(Yes, there is none other NAME under HEAVEN except JESUS,that is the NAME that the own GOD chose for He Himself.JESUS said:I and my Father are One- John 10:30.And in the fourth Day after Adam,or around 2000 years ago,JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto(it was still the fourth Day),and I work- John 5:17). In my understand,GOD was never called by nicknames as above listed.The name of GOD is only one:JESUS.
I don't quite understand why people lend credence to Kabbalistic and esoteric, and spiritists, sources(?)Think about it.
"Yehovah", "Yehovih", et al. as above listed,are considered sacred names in Kabbalah,so what? I find this absurd. But what does the Word of GOD say? 1Tim.4:1-2:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Beloved, believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of GOD:because many false prophets are gone out into the world- 1John 4:1.
1Jn 5:19-20:
19 We know that we are of GOD,and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come,and hath given us an understanding,that we may know Him that is true,and we are in Him that is true,even in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true God, and eternal life.
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us,and give us His protection, now,and for ever.
Now the time is of harvest, not to sow. Be ready. The harvest is the END of the world; and the reapers are the messengers(of the Lord)-Mat.13:39.
And Paul Apostle warned-1Cor.15:24-25: -> 24 The END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE and ALL AUTHORITY and POWER. 25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies UNDER His feet.
Remember: Our Lord JESUS left very clear: In the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn- Matthew 13: 39 & 30.
Furthermore, He also said- John 4:36-37: -> 36 He that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both He that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth(JESUS sowed), and another reapeth(the messengers).
Don't forget: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted-Eccl.3:1-2.
I agree with what you are saying, I know I have, and you have said here before, we grow daily, and our understandings have changed over the years. The Holy Spirit opens our eyes to truth as we can bear it or willing to use it. What I am saying is when we study, we are in search of truth whether it agrees with what we have been taught or not.
But when we study in prayer without what we have been taught in our mind and if what we are shown by the Spirit is what we have been taught, great. What if it is not? Are we willing to accept the truth? What will it cost? Are we willing to be persecuted by church members, friends', family members if we accept the truth and speak it? We are to worship God, in spirit and in truth, John 4:23-24.
If we are not willing to embrace the truth, regardless of what it will cost us, it will never be shown to us. I know we do not agree on one doctrine, but are we willing to honestly study any doctrine for the truth? All I say is in love and caring. I hope you take this in love and are not offended.
I think you've come to a good place to get some advice regarding your issue at hand. FrankieJ touched on some for you, and there are a lot of folks here that are very loving/caring and have great Biblical insight in regards to the subject of marriage and adultery.
If I'm understanding, you stated that you feel uncomfortable living in sin and would like to address it in some manner. You also stated that Jesus didn't mention anything to the Samaritan woman. John 4:18 He may have, and it wasn't noted/recorded, it could have been just between the two of them. Also, after her encounter with Jesus she may have had a spiritual life changing moment that would be the motivation for her to make the necessary changes in her life too extricate herself from the sinful situation she was living in. We just don't know all those details.
Here's my thoughts on your situation. You have some options:
1- Get married if you want to live together and remain in a sexual relationship.
2- Live together as friends that love and care for each other without sex of any kind in the picture. Without sex there is no adultery, so no sin. This relationship would be like 2 siblings living together, a son and his Mother, I could go on, or any number of people living together loving and caring for each other and sharing their resources without any sex in the relationship.
3-Get out of the relationship and remove the sin from your life.
This life we have on this earth is very short, our next life is for eternity, I can understand your need to get it right with God on this issue. God can and will forgive you of all your prior sins, and each new day is a fresh start, so I applaud you for listening to that small still voice inside you urging you to stop sinning.
Pray to God for His help on this, His Holy Spirit is urging you to change, call on His strength, and His guidance to steer you free from not only this sin, but all sin.
The soul can make one Love or Live right before men, while before God the Living God who made the heavens we are sinning thinking we are right with Him.
Remember even the thief who steals and murder says he is a good person who is able to love and live well, moreover during burial no one stands and says this dead person was a sinner but you will hear he is a good person.
-For all are in the soulish and not in the spirit
Bear this in mind as it is written in John 4:23-24
23.But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And if one has repented of his sins at the cross in Jesus Christ the Son of the living God, Instead of doing everything to please himself. he lives to glorify God whether he eat or drink all he does is in the glory of God.
as it is written in 1 Corinthians 10:31
31.Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Therefore Worship God in Spirit and Let God lead you He knows how, He will teach you if you ask by prayer God is faithful.
Remember
it is written in romans 8:14
14.For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
- Let us hear the conclusion of this matter
Yes we see people love in the soulish in fact people marry for long years but the marriages are either very shaky and majority end up in divorce
we see father loving their kids and mothers loving their kids and the kids likewise love their parents and at the end there is not true compassion and the love is a love of gain.
Isaiah 9:6 his name shall be called does not make him what the name is many Hebrew names have God in them. Jesus says He came in His Father's name.
John 1:1-4 What is the beginning that John is referencing here? Is this the beginning/creation or is this John's prologue of his gospel, the beginning of Jesus's ministry, as in Luke 1:2 or 1 John 1:1? The word of God was in Jesus for everything Jesus said was not His words but the Father's words who sent Him, John 4:16John 12:49John 14:24.
Jesus was the Tabernacle of God; God was manifested in Jesus, and this is the light that shined. The light that shined was eternal life 1 John 1:2. This life was given to the Son from the Father John 5:26 and we can have this gift through Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 6:23. Jesus proclaimed the Father, the Father was the Word which was proclaimed to the world, and the Word was God. In Revelation 19:13, Jesus's name is the Word of God.
John 10:30John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: As God and Jesus are one through Jesus we also can be one in unity and purpose.
John 14:9 The Father was in Jesus by God's Spirit everything Jesus did and said was from the Father. This is what Jesus is telling them in verse 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
I understand we differ, and this doctrine is deeply rooted, I do not want to offend anyone. I have studied the creation of it, and it was as much or more political than Scriptural, especially considering the number of lives that were taken because of it.
Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.
2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10Luke 4:18.
I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.
If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21Matt. 12:50John 20:172 Cor. 11:31Ephesians 1:31 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.
My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:161 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.
Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
The reason that I used an historical source is that the church continued after the death of all the apostles and the writing of the NT Scriptures. The first council was the one in Jerusalem, probably about 50 A.D. in Acts 15 where the topic of what of the Mosaic Law the Gentile believers were to follow. Paul and Barnabas attended this council, meeting with Peter, James, and perhaps a few others. The topic of the Trinity or divinity of Jesus was not discussed at this one. You can find out what the early bishops (the first ones appointed by the apostles and subsequent ones by the preceding bishops) spoke about these two topics but you will not find the writings of these bishops in the Bible.
I adhere to the teaching of the Word. It is my source for God's revelation to man. However, History is source to discover how the early saints believed and how the church functioned over the centuries. learning such history is not contrary to learning the Word nor is it forbidden by the Word.
I looked up the teachings of Polycarp, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, for example, to find out what they taught on these topics. They lived in the late first century into the second century. For me, what they taught is important because they were so close in time to the teachings of the apostles and it gives us information about what was passed down to them before the NT was compiled and there were just the letters/writings of the apostles copied and passed to the churches.
If we look at what is taught in the churches today and compare that to what was taught in the Scriptures and practiced in the early church years we can see that what we do today is very different from then. This does not mean that all of what we do today is wrong. It just contrasts what was practiced early on.
The early church leaders did need to refute false doctrines as the Scriptures instructed. See Titus 1:10-16; 2 Peter 2; all of Jude; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim. 6:3. ... cont.
I have been reading and studying the Scriptures you have posted, I will touch on a few, by the way, great work. Again, I know my understanding may be different and I do not want to offend, I do thank you for this discussion.
John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." This life came from the Father,
My understanding of this, it is part of John's prolog to his gospel as John writes, "In the beginning" is the beginning of Jesus's ministry, not before creation. Mark used it in Mark 1:1 also in Luke 1:2 and John uses it again in 1 John 1:1 "From the beginning" he is again talking about the beginning of Jesus's ministry, "the Word of life" which was the eternal life from the Father, John 5:26. This life is that light that shined and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we behold his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Jesus the true only begotten Son of God, who came out from the Father John 16:27. He was sent by the Father, Galatians 4:4 from the glory of the Father, the same matter, and divinity as the Father, and the Word was made flesh, born of a virgin and walked among us. We see in Revelation 19:13 His name is called The Word of God. Full of unfailing love and obedience to the Father, God was manifested in Him on earth 1 John 1:2 1 John 4:2 1 John 4:9. Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit without measure.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Will study more of your posts and reply, if you want to continue the conversation, I understand your time is tight.
First, I ask your forgiveness, and say the KJV is one of the most trustworthy English translations, but they are not perfect. When we study pray, and the Holy Spirit will give us understanding, we can trust the Holy Spirit will lead and teach us because the Spirit is truth, 1 John 5:6 do not doubt that. Believe the Scripture by being led by the Holy Spirit, not the traditions of man.
(Milk, then meat) it is a lifelong walk, and some answers will not be known but the one answer that matters is Jesus is the way.
John's gospel, his letters, and Revelation have one thing in common, to show and give evidence that Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, the only begotten Son of God who the Father sent, and in Him is life, our salvation, eternal life. Acts 4:11-12 The Father sent the Son John 4:34John 5:30John 6:29 Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of the Father John 6:38.
Jesus came out from God John 16:27 Jesus is the beginning of creation Rev. 3:14 Before Mary could touch Him, He said I ascend unto my Father, and to my God John 20:17 John's writings are full of who Jesus was, is, and will be.
What I posted was not a lie, it is a fact, maybe I should not have posted it on an open forum like this. I wanted to inspire the study, searching for the truth, and not causing doubt. It touches on a subject that many consider non-discussable, the Trinity doctrine.
This is from my heart; this doctrine has been placed equal to the gospel of Jesus. In many Churches, you are not saved and are not a Christian if you do not believe and confess this doctrine. Does the Church have the authority to say this?
Is there any Scripture that says our salvation is dependent on this doctrine that was 400 years after the Scriptures we have? Was it even discussed by Peter, John, Paul, or in any of the letters we have? I'll leave it there.
As you have already experience, they're many who will gladly give you their opinions, thus leaving you both torn & tormented with them,
Friends; you must go to God Himself to seek your answer, it's the only Way you'll have peace on this issue.
Your openness & honesty in revealing that you & your husband were living in sin before marriage is noted. This is what God is looking for, truthfulness Hebrews 10:22 as you both come before Him.
Here are some Scriptures.
Matt 10:19 "except for fornication"
John 4:10-18, here we have Jesus offering eternal life to a woman who had been married 5 times & presently living in sin
Scriptures does not reveal what all Jesus Christ spoke to the Samaritan's those two day He stay with them, but you can be sure it was on the lines of John 8:11Hebrews 10:26
God's grace teaches us the knowledge of His will & we are to exercises it until we become more than conquerors through Him that loves us & continually gives Himself to us through His Spirit of Grace. This is putting Him on & what we receive from Christ is our inheritance in Him.
The simplest & purest definition of a Christian, is Christlikeness, to be like Jesus.
Its true we all come into this world as sinners, but it not true that we must remain sinners.
Jesus name declare His works, Matt 1:21 "saves them from their sin, not in their sins". Titus 2:14, "cleanse us all iniquity" for how else can we be Col 1:22 "present you holy, unblameable & unreproveable in His sight.
Concerning the reading of the amplified bible this is another man made opinion, throw it out the window along with the rest of the dirty water.
1 John 4:7-8 . Because this represents truth, and if I desire to know and experience the Source of this Perfect Love, I should probably focus 100% on this Love. I should endeavor to weed out ALL that is not love in order to recognize clearly without interference, the purity of God's Love. In this, I should truly be thankful and glad that the weeds and vines which do not produce good fruit are tossed out and thrown into the fire. Good fruit is the effect of God's perfect Love and in turn extends God's Will and perfect Love; this is how we join in Creation. To recognize means to know again, implying that I knew before.
"God is Love" AND "God is NOT fear/hate" do not conflict, just as "Satan is not love" AND "Satan is fear" do not conflict. Both pairs of statements together contain the same meaning; both statements together are true.
"God is fear/hate" AND "God is not love" do not conflict, just as "Satan is love" AND "Satan is not fear" do not conflict. Both pairs of statements together contain the same meaning. In and of itself , they can and will appear to be true to a mind who is unaware of the first set of statements; or he is aware of them, but he wavers in belief the first set as truth.
The first group above is the opposite of the second. Obviously, ONLY one group can only be true, leaving the other as false.
A thought system accepting ALL the above together, having ANY possibility of coexisting, i.e. ALL being true; and maintain any hope of a unified mind, may want to pause to consider that a divided mind will never be at peace, because a divided mind is a confused mind. Peace and understanding ALWAYS go together and can never be found alone. I must first remove my FAITH in opposites.
The Mind of God is a pure fresh water spring which cannot produce anything but pure, fresh water. If It were to become contaminated with fear which we actually believe can actually oppose Love, it would produce impure, not so fresh water.
Concerning.....The Axe laid to the Root of the old Corrupt Tree
Meaning- the True knowledge of God conforms us to the Divine Nature, Rom 8:291John 4:17
Walking & living in the Spirit, Gal 5:22,23, Ephesians 5:9, They're truly born again of the Incorruptible Seed & sin not 1John 3:9 & those that are not led or have the Spirit are none of His. Rom 8:9
False knowledge does not destroy the works to the devil, but leaves the corrupt Tree standing, meaning the old Adamic nature, the man of sin, because his seed (Satan) remains in him, thus one continues in sin, though he or she is ever so conversant in the letter of the Scriptures.
What Giannis said is equally true. Every major trauma the Lord went through He was hounded; such as with the death report of John the Baptist. He had perhaps a brief moment with the Disciples but attempting to be alone with them was rapidly ended with the throngs that came to Him for healings; etc. There is the very real possibility that although Christ was struggling to meet His needs in human form but He had to struggle further relying on the Spirit.
What I am saying is thinking about Job for instance we see the same sort of scenario. For bigger purposes Satan is allowed to buffet us when already weak when the Lord has the Spirit strengthen us because of purposes beyond our grasp. It is like Moses as well who was overwhelmed by the masses he was trying to appease; although the one time he succumbed to anger in human weakness it cost him from physically entering in the Promised Land in this life.
Clearly then it is most vital for us to pray for and support others who are in the ministry. We see that from Peter escaping from prison. Lack of such prayers also could allow some to die or struggle more than they would otherwise. How God works through prayer is a mystery; He of course intercedes for us and makes the prayer acceptable to God through His priestly ministry in heaven.
I can't help but think of what happens if we have a power grid failure; for instance. Suddenly we will suffer from long term issues. Those of us who are wise and can afford things such as solar energy or have their own farm; etc of course will do better.
Persecution as well could certainly deprive us of sleep not to mention other things often taken for granted today. May we all be as Christ who said meat for Him that the Disciples didn't know about was doing the will of God. ( John 4:34). In such a situation I would rather be the head than the tail so to speak. We will need to parcel out resources for our family but trust God for wisdom for others in need.
We know certain things to be true of God for one reason: in His mercy He has condescended to reveal some of His qualities to us. God is spirit, by nature intangible ( John 4:24). God is One, but He exists as three Persons-God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 3:16-17). God is infinite ( 1 Timothy 1:17), incomparable ( 2 Samuel 7:22), and unchanging ( Malachi 3:6). God exists everywhere ( Psalm 139:7-12), knows everything ( Psalm 147:5; Isaiah 40:28), and has all power and authority ( Ephesians 1; Revelation 19:6).
Who is God? - His Work
We cannot understand God apart from His works, because what God does flows from who He is. Here is an abbreviated list of God's works, past, present, and future: God created the world ( Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 42:5); He actively sustains the world ( Colossians 1:17); He is executing His eternal plan ( Ephesians 1:11) which involves the redemption of man from the curse of sin and death ( Galatians 3:13-14); He draws people to Christ ( John 6:44); He disciplines His children ( Hebrews 12:6); and He will judge the world ( Revelation 20:11-15).
Who is God? - A Relationship with Him
In the Person of the Son, God became incarnate ( John 1:14). The Son of God became the Son of Man and is therefore the "bridge" between God and man ( John 14:6; 1 Timothy 2:5). It is only through the Son that we can have forgiveness of sins ( Ephesians 1:7), reconciliation with God ( John 15:15; Romans 5:10), and eternal salvation ( 2 Timothy 2:10). In Jesus Christ "all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" ( Colossians 2:9). So, to really know who God is, all we have to do is look at Jesus.
Jerry that is much of what we know about God and that probably don't scratch the surface on GOD!
Yes, Jesus is a Jew and much more.
He's in the lineage of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
This is shown throughout the bible.
Notice here in John 4:9 the Samaritan woman at the well calls him a Jew
"Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans".
Again, Listen to Jesus here in John 4:22 "Ye worship ye know not what: WE know what WE worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
By the way, You might want to read and study scripture for yourself. These questions and answer forums can sometimes be a help but sometimes can be confusing.
I hope this helps.
God bless.
" And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth."(v.7)
What is the role of the raven and later a dove that Noah sent from the ark? The writer to the Hebrews says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son."(He.1:1-2)
" The dove has a double function and the significance of the raven goes beyond feeding Elijah in his distress but serves us to understand the mind of Christ.
"And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us./ And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."( Luke 9: 49-50) Jesus could work with people of all hues for he knew what was in their mind. Noah similarly accommodates,-metaphorically speaking, the entire creation under his charge. His name Noah signified rest. So the Spirit ties Noah as a rest-giver with Jesus who was the prince of peace.
The raven flew hither and thither till the waters drained off from the face of the earth but he chose not to return. He however serves us to understand that it makes all sorts of people whose service to God have their own shape and colour. When Jesus tells his disciples, "I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labour."( John 4:38)
The dove with 'an olive leaf pluckt off' is an emblem. Its primary sense: the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which would meld holy families 'in the now' for the holy city of God in eternity.
The dove represented His messengers ie., John the Baptist who was anointed in his mother's womb to serve as ' friend to the groom'. Thirdly the dove served as a harbinger of House of Prayer for all nations in eternity. (Ps.128:3) Olive signifies gladness and glory of the church. (Ps.104:15)
"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(v.3)
God is a Spirit and His covenant with Man sets two worlds of the body and of the Spirit. He shall not henceforth strive with man in the Man component, on the basis of the day of creation but in terms of the logos aspect of the Son who therefore represents the way for his salvation. Gospel of Christ is tagged by the command number 12. Every man shall bear his burden and shall be responsible to keep this covenant "Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice."(Ps.50:5). Predestination disperses all spiritual blessings in his Son to man who is committed. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.
'Yet his days shall be'
Jesus chose 12 disciples, which gives us the clue: He represents the Gospel of his Father. As the logos aspect he is Four while as a Son he is tagged by the command number Three. The will of God in the key verse sets his days as 120 days. (4x3x10) The number 10 refers to the Law of the Lord.
The man holds two worlds, which are about the heart a spiritual space. By his life hidden in heavenly place he has length, breadth and height, which is time. By setting his days to the Law, which is settled in heaven every man has a spiritual volume in terms of the Gospel. Each member of the body of Christ consequently is an angel as well as man. "The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal./ And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."(Re.21:16-17)
"As he is so are we in this world"(1 John 4:17) has only a single measure that of the spiritual body,'the 'body thou hast prepared me.' Holding on to Christ the head we are of the selfsame measure, that of both angel and of man.
"And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."
No one has located where Eden is actually but it is no matter. Fellowship of God with Man has an address for which the Spirit has only supplied the Garden as a reference point. The Son represents for us the Man component in the Fellowship so he is assigned Eden as the word of God says, 'The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool."(Is.66:1). Treat it as the kingdom of the dear Son and it explains where our blessings come from.
"And a river went out of Eden to water the garden." This river is associated with Jesus Christ which is how the Spirit has added details to the blessedness of the children of God. In the colloquy with the Samaritan woman he makes clear,"but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." It is provided by the grace of Jesus Christ. In the preceding verse he makes a distinction of the water issuing from his domain to the world of the Sprit, the garden and the water at the Jacob's well. " Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again." ( John 4:13-14) The world of the Samaritan woman may have as with the rural life revolved around the village well but receiving Jesus Christ as the Messiah changed her life forever. Her thirst that was never by sated by water she daily drank from is evident, "The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw."(v.15)
The Spirit instructs us that Adam's world was special because God had planted the garden in his Son for Adam and Eve. Everything pertaining to life and godliness was on the house to want some useless advise from the serpent.
The truth of the matter is the river beginning at this point shall continue to the last chapter unbroken. (Re.22:1) This pure water of the river of life also serves as the river of time about which the entire God document is fleshed out.
These characteristics all are involved with the Trinity to some respect; but we will not attempt to "parse out" specific attributes related to any member of the Godhead in this posting but get into general characteristics here unique to the Lord. Divine has a sort of untouchable royalty associated with the sentiment behind the meaning; which of course sort of fits in with the "essense" generally of His precence. Father and God also are pretty well interchangeable as to our designation of the almighty Lord.
Divinity: God is high and exalted but not remote. Isaiah 57:15 states: "For this is what the high and exalted one says, the one who rules forever, whose name is holy: 'I dwell in an exalted and holy place, but also with the discouraged and humiliated, in order to cheer up the humiliated and to encourage the discouraged.' Philippians 2:7 shows how Christ emptied Himself from divine form and became a servant. Divinity is used in a handful of other verses as well; but we understand the condescension Christ did for our behalf as part of the "Divine counsel" ( Psalm 82:1).
Essence: To sum God up would bring unique characteristics (the three "O"s-omnipresence; omnipotence and omniscience which will be discussed later in the O section). God is to be worshipped in "Spirit and truth" ( John 4:24). He also came bodily and we must believe He came in the flesh (1 John 4:2) to have saving faith; thus we don't adhere to a "gnostic" gospel. His Godhead is important and apparently evident from creation (King James version Romans 1:20) which also BTW mentions His Divine nature.
He who denies the Son doesn't know the Father ( 1 John 2:23). Therefore we must hold to the Christian faith where there is the Messiah in Christ promised in the O.T.; as well as God the Father and the Spirit which lives within His elect ( Ephesians 1:13-14).
Father and God: God was Christ's Father and our heavenly father.
Let's put Matthew 5:48 in its context.
Matthew 5:43-48.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR, AND HATE THINE ENEMY.
But I say unto you, LOVE your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
( THERE'S THE CONTEXT! )
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Christ is giving an distinction between the days of old under the law and the coming Kingdom.
However here's much said about perfect love in 1 John 4:6-21
John Speaks much on this.
Here's a few verses from 1 John.
4:8 "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
4:10 "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:21 is my favorite.
"And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also".
Did you notice it doesn't say "he who loveth God "SHOULD" love his brother also?
Loving your brother is a condition that the Holyspirit causes when one truly loves God.
Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
God bless
After reading two threads, which stated that "we could never love like God loves" I felt compel by Holy Spirit to correct this belief, that's unscriptural.
Paul states 2Cor 5:14
The love of God that flowed through him, he states in Gal 2:20 it was Christ that dwelling within him, living, moving & having His being within Paul, having His mind, heart & spirit. & where Christ dwells He brings His Father with Him John14:23 & God is love, he became an living expression of the Godhead, there's no way that in this abide abode that God love was not known, felt, displays in his life. Have you ever tried keeping your human love in? What about God ?
Jesus states in John15:10 "abide in His love"
We must believe that we can Ephesians 3:19 as we continue to grow in Grace in the knowledge of His will that
Hebrews 10:10 for faith Gal 5:6
1 John 1:14 perfect love experienced, is what John the beloved "tasted, seen & handled" 1John 4:12
1 Thessalonians 4:9 God taught them how to love as He loves
John 13:14 "as I have love you"
Folks,
To my understanding, Jesus prayer in John 17:21-23 reveals a union between the Spirit & Soul of our Creator & his creatures that unites us in such an wonderous way, that it took Divinity to imagine it, & the Son accomplish all His Father's heart desire. Matt 17:5
Jeremiah 32:38-41 Love never fails.
The Grace of God that appears to all mankind, begotten Paul & he declares in 1Cor 15:10 made what he now is.
What the Apostles received by the Revelation of Jesus Christ from His Grace appearance, they wrote down in the Epistle's that bares their name, & they believed & attain unto this knowledge by the diligent exercising thereof Hebrews 5:14 Hebrews 12:11 Philippians 3:16
Here's a small unfolding of His Grace / Light
They let Patience James 1:4,25 James 5:11 1Pet 5:9,10
Make you Perfect Hebrews 13:21
Be ye Perfect Matt 5:48 indicating this perfection is the same as the Father, there's not a different standard of holiness for mankind describe here.
The angel declared to Mary, Matt 1:21 not in their sin!
Folks,
Everything that God does is perfect, do you really believe that He would sent His only begotten Son to suffer all that He did for our sakes, & it not be a perfect restoration for His beloved creations.
I tell you by the Scriptures, sound reasoning & the Holy Ghost it's goes beyond the state of Adam innocents before he fell
Rom 6:3-5 the newness of life spoken of here is the likeness of His resurrection life & that is attain by working of His Divine Power 2Pet 1:2-4
I'm talking Grace, here now in this life. Don't be deceived, it's accompanies all that Christ experience, 1Pet 2:21 this too is apart of being make in His image & likeness, walking as He walk, the Apostles final got it after Pentecost, being baptized unto His death. This is when 1John 1:1-5 truly came into spiritual experiential experience. John 7:17
John 4:23,24 True worship is doing His will
& that will is reveal by His Grace / Light appearance in your heart. 2Cor 4:6,7
In my last post I ended with a discussion of the legalism of the Pharisees; as well as those that have what I call "sloppy Agape" or attempt to gloss over sin and use grace and forgiveness of all past; present and future sins as their excuse. In both of these cases at least for those who remain in a church fellowship we see an idolization of the Pastor most often who no doubt is contributing to one or the other error mentioned here. A true believer would move on if there is heresy coming from one of their own (see Acts 20:30). Justifying self righteousness is aided; of course when someone is financially well to do and credits the church leadership that promises "sowing a seed" will add to prosperity for all (whether or not they are giving a large sum themselves). The opposite of this are those widows and old ladies who are fleeced to their last dollar mesmerized by a Pastor who promises health and happiness with obedience and warns against not doing this despite what common sense would otherwise show.
This first paragraph assumes corrupt leadership. Another sign of our faith is respecting elders and pastors who ARE feeding the flock and tending the sheep properly. (see 1 Timothy 5:17). Disrespect of such authority often mainfests in impatience if a sermon runs 5 minutes late; frustration when genuine financial needs are brought up; lack of participation and interest in prayer and doing service projects in the church and for the comunity; etc. Beyond this; the admonitions of 1 John about loving the brethren are ignored (see 1 John 4:20). Such parishioners will sometimes leave; and we shouldn't strive to force them to stay.
There are others attempting to spread false doctrines which were of course never part of the true flock (see 1 John 2:19). They may leave but if not need to be dealt with lest they be a cancer that affects the whole flock (see warning in Galatians 5:9).
LET US MEDITATE ON MATTHEW 10:16!!!
God is a Spirit. Worship of God is in the matter of creature giving glory to the Highest. The memorial of in heaven shows the subject matter and object of reverence. The four beasts for example never broke off from their devotion while they explained to St John of the significance of the bound book with seven seals. (Re.4: 8-9)."
While the Lamb opened one seal one beast says, 'Come and see.'(Re.6: 1). Thus with every beast and in the midst of these four beasts a voice is heard when the third seal is broken, "And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine (Re.6: 6)". Worship of God is in spirit and in truth. ( John 4: 23-24). The voice in the middle spoke language of the Spirit on non-verbal mode.
The medium of instruction is faith the same article our Savior Lord employed to do His perfect will, which to our intent and purpose is obedience. Thus spiritual understanding is what we require in order to be perfected as a man of God, 'thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
" Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered./ And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."(Ro.8:26-27) Literally interpreting the quotes in the Bible is like watching a 3-d film without polaroid glasses. Faith makes one hear the word of God both Father and the Son in focus.
Is God a universalist?
Isaiah 48:16 ...and HIS Spirit has SENT ME ......
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify, that the Father SENT his son to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD....
ONLY the carnal mind of man refuses to BELIEVE that Christ will not do what his Father SENT him TO DO.
Can one be the saviour of the world UNLESS he saves the world.
Hebrews 2:8 ... we see NOT YET all things put under him .....
Ephesians 2:8 .... that in the AGES TO COME ......
Is one foolish enough to believe this age is all there is, why is it so hard to believe Christ will save most in the AGES TO COME.
Your SAVED from DEATH.
God Bless YOU!
1 John 4:16 KJV
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Universalism: Known historically as apokatastasis, the belief that all persons will be saved. Hence universalism involves the affirmation of universal salvation and the denial of eternal punishment. Universalists believe that ultimately all humans are somehow in union with Christ and that in the fullness of time they will gain release from the penalty of sin and be restored to God. Twentieth-century universalism often REJECTS the deity of Jesus and explores the "universal" bases of all religions. See also Apokatastasis.
1 John 4:6 (KJV) 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of ERROR.
Once saved always saved is kind of like the word "Rapture"; the verses about being sealed with the Spirit until the Day of Redemption ( Eph. 4:30) basically indicate that once HIS work is completed we cannot "undo" it. We have passed from "death to life" ( John 5:24) if we truly believe; and 1 John 3:14 shows the same author indicating EVIDENCE through loving one another (specifically the brethren) that we are saved; as well as showing that if WE DON'T we are liars and the truth is not in us (1 John 4:20).
My first point is that there is always evidence of the Hope that is within us if it truly exists ( 1 Peter 3:15). The second point goes with it that we preach the truth; any other Gospel is "anathema" ( Gal. 1:8-9). Interestingly; 1 Corinthians 16:22 2 verses before the end of the book state that if any man does NOT love the Lord Jesus Christ let him be "anathema". These two verses domenstate we need truth and love; one doesn't work independently of the other.
I will make a general statement for my third point. The more knowledge we have; the more responsibility we have. Hence; there is greater punishment for those who walk away from the truth and go back to the world than those who never knew it in the first place ( 1 Peter 2:20-21). We only need to look at Lucifer himself to see how pride brought his judgment without mercy; since he was a Cheribum that led worship of music in heaven itself for an unknown time; created perfect in all his ways before that time ( Ezekiel 28:15).
The fourth point is related to the third; that much head knowledge apart from the inner man being renewed daily ( 2 Cor. 4:16) is at best a fruitless venture; at worst again leads to greater damnation without accompanying faith. Such a man often obsesses on one doctrine and ignores the integrity of all scripture; or worse can justify a sin by not being a Berean and "rightly dividing the Word" ( 2 Tim. 2:15) despite what all their church friends may say.
Bread from heaven (2 of 2)
God sent his only begotten Son and the Spirit sets an action from the nation of Israel in order to emphasize what he was there for. In the divine Will of God, which is multi-layered, Jesus, the Lamb slain before the worlds began is same as the Lamb of God. Similarly of the corn of heaven the Israelites were fed with manna. In the fulness of time He sent his Son. Jesus declared, "I am the living bread which came down from heaven."( John 6:48-51)
Manna is qualified as 'angel's food'. Angel in this context refers to word of God and referring to the will of God they are the saints called according to the pleasure of His will. When Satan tempted Jesus he challenged him., "He said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread./ But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."(Matt.4: 3-4) Satan without understanding the basic quality of bread of heaven for which his body had to be broken first, was merely shooting air. ("My meat is to do the will of God"- John 4:34) Angel's food refers generally speaking to the will of God which preserved the cloud of witnesses of whom we in particular are shown in the night vision of Daniel. The writer to the Hebrews speaks of them, "seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,"(He.12:1-2). They in short refer to the world of the Spirit and our heart about which we are working out our salvation with patience.
1-YHWH
2-Yahweh,
3-Yehovah,
4-Elohim,
5-Adonai,
6-HaShem,
7-Yahusha
8-YEHshia
9-Jehovah
10-YEHvah
These 10 are one.Wouldn't they be the name of the father of the Jews? John 8:44-45.
I am asking because according to the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-, Acts 4:11-12 say:
11-JESUS is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other:for there is none other NAME under HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved.(Yes, there is none other NAME under HEAVEN except JESUS,that is the NAME that the own GOD chose for He Himself.JESUS said:I and my Father are One- John 10:30.And in the fourth Day after Adam,or around 2000 years ago,JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto(it was still the fourth Day),and I work- John 5:17). In my understand,GOD was never called by nicknames as above listed.The name of GOD is only one:JESUS.
I don't quite understand why people lend credence to Kabbalistic and esoteric, and spiritists, sources(?)Think about it.
"Yehovah", "Yehovih", et al. as above listed,are considered sacred names in Kabbalah,so what? I find this absurd. But what does the Word of GOD say? 1Tim.4:1-2:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Beloved, believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of GOD:because many false prophets are gone out into the world- 1John 4:1.
1Jn 5:19-20:
19 We know that we are of GOD,and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come,and hath given us an understanding,that we may know Him that is true,and we are in Him that is true,even in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true God, and eternal life.
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us,and give us His protection, now,and for ever.
Amen
Now the time is of harvest, not to sow. Be ready. The harvest is the END of the world; and the reapers are the messengers(of the Lord)-Mat.13:39.
And Paul Apostle warned-1Cor.15:24-25: -> 24 The END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE and ALL AUTHORITY and POWER. 25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies UNDER His feet.
Remember: Our Lord JESUS left very clear: In the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn- Matthew 13: 39 & 30.
Furthermore, He also said- John 4:36-37: -> 36 He that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both He that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth(JESUS sowed), and another reapeth(the messengers).
Don't forget: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted-Eccl.3:1-2.
The Word is GOD, self-executing.
Get ready
I agree with what you are saying, I know I have, and you have said here before, we grow daily, and our understandings have changed over the years. The Holy Spirit opens our eyes to truth as we can bear it or willing to use it. What I am saying is when we study, we are in search of truth whether it agrees with what we have been taught or not.
But when we study in prayer without what we have been taught in our mind and if what we are shown by the Spirit is what we have been taught, great. What if it is not? Are we willing to accept the truth? What will it cost? Are we willing to be persecuted by church members, friends', family members if we accept the truth and speak it? We are to worship God, in spirit and in truth, John 4:23-24.
If we are not willing to embrace the truth, regardless of what it will cost us, it will never be shown to us. I know we do not agree on one doctrine, but are we willing to honestly study any doctrine for the truth? All I say is in love and caring. I hope you take this in love and are not offended.
God bless,
RLW
I think you've come to a good place to get some advice regarding your issue at hand. FrankieJ touched on some for you, and there are a lot of folks here that are very loving/caring and have great Biblical insight in regards to the subject of marriage and adultery.
If I'm understanding, you stated that you feel uncomfortable living in sin and would like to address it in some manner. You also stated that Jesus didn't mention anything to the Samaritan woman. John 4:18 He may have, and it wasn't noted/recorded, it could have been just between the two of them. Also, after her encounter with Jesus she may have had a spiritual life changing moment that would be the motivation for her to make the necessary changes in her life too extricate herself from the sinful situation she was living in. We just don't know all those details.
Here's my thoughts on your situation. You have some options:
1- Get married if you want to live together and remain in a sexual relationship.
2- Live together as friends that love and care for each other without sex of any kind in the picture. Without sex there is no adultery, so no sin. This relationship would be like 2 siblings living together, a son and his Mother, I could go on, or any number of people living together loving and caring for each other and sharing their resources without any sex in the relationship.
3-Get out of the relationship and remove the sin from your life.
This life we have on this earth is very short, our next life is for eternity, I can understand your need to get it right with God on this issue. God can and will forgive you of all your prior sins, and each new day is a fresh start, so I applaud you for listening to that small still voice inside you urging you to stop sinning.
Pray to God for His help on this, His Holy Spirit is urging you to change, call on His strength, and His guidance to steer you free from not only this sin, but all sin.
GBU
it is written in Proverbs 20:28
28.Mercy and truth preserve the king:
And his throne is upholden by mercy.
-What I am pointing out to you is this
The soul can make one Love or Live right before men, while before God the Living God who made the heavens we are sinning thinking we are right with Him.
Remember even the thief who steals and murder says he is a good person who is able to love and live well, moreover during burial no one stands and says this dead person was a sinner but you will hear he is a good person.
-For all are in the soulish and not in the spirit
Bear this in mind as it is written in John 4:23-24
23.But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And if one has repented of his sins at the cross in Jesus Christ the Son of the living God, Instead of doing everything to please himself. he lives to glorify God whether he eat or drink all he does is in the glory of God.
as it is written in 1 Corinthians 10:31
31.Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Therefore Worship God in Spirit and Let God lead you He knows how, He will teach you if you ask by prayer God is faithful.
Remember
it is written in romans 8:14
14.For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
- Let us hear the conclusion of this matter
Yes we see people love in the soulish in fact people marry for long years but the marriages are either very shaky and majority end up in divorce
we see father loving their kids and mothers loving their kids and the kids likewise love their parents and at the end there is not true compassion and the love is a love of gain.
read part 3
Isaiah 9:6 his name shall be called does not make him what the name is many Hebrew names have God in them. Jesus says He came in His Father's name.
John 1:1-4 What is the beginning that John is referencing here? Is this the beginning/creation or is this John's prologue of his gospel, the beginning of Jesus's ministry, as in Luke 1:2 or 1 John 1:1? The word of God was in Jesus for everything Jesus said was not His words but the Father's words who sent Him, John 4:16 John 12:49 John 14:24.
Jesus was the Tabernacle of God; God was manifested in Jesus, and this is the light that shined. The light that shined was eternal life 1 John 1:2. This life was given to the Son from the Father John 5:26 and we can have this gift through Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 6:23. Jesus proclaimed the Father, the Father was the Word which was proclaimed to the world, and the Word was God. In Revelation 19:13, Jesus's name is the Word of God.
John 10:30 John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: As God and Jesus are one through Jesus we also can be one in unity and purpose.
John 14:9 The Father was in Jesus by God's Spirit everything Jesus did and said was from the Father. This is what Jesus is telling them in verse 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
I understand we differ, and this doctrine is deeply rooted, I do not want to offend anyone. I have studied the creation of it, and it was as much or more political than Scriptural, especially considering the number of lives that were taken because of it.
God bless,
RLW
Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.
2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34 John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28 John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10 Luke 4:18.
I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.
If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18 Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21 Matt. 12:50 John 20:17 2 Cor. 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 1 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.
My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:16 1 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.
Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
God bless,
RLW
The reason that I used an historical source is that the church continued after the death of all the apostles and the writing of the NT Scriptures. The first council was the one in Jerusalem, probably about 50 A.D. in Acts 15 where the topic of what of the Mosaic Law the Gentile believers were to follow. Paul and Barnabas attended this council, meeting with Peter, James, and perhaps a few others. The topic of the Trinity or divinity of Jesus was not discussed at this one. You can find out what the early bishops (the first ones appointed by the apostles and subsequent ones by the preceding bishops) spoke about these two topics but you will not find the writings of these bishops in the Bible.
I adhere to the teaching of the Word. It is my source for God's revelation to man. However, History is source to discover how the early saints believed and how the church functioned over the centuries. learning such history is not contrary to learning the Word nor is it forbidden by the Word.
I looked up the teachings of Polycarp, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, for example, to find out what they taught on these topics. They lived in the late first century into the second century. For me, what they taught is important because they were so close in time to the teachings of the apostles and it gives us information about what was passed down to them before the NT was compiled and there were just the letters/writings of the apostles copied and passed to the churches.
If we look at what is taught in the churches today and compare that to what was taught in the Scriptures and practiced in the early church years we can see that what we do today is very different from then. This does not mean that all of what we do today is wrong. It just contrasts what was practiced early on.
The early church leaders did need to refute false doctrines as the Scriptures instructed. See Titus 1:10-16; 2 Peter 2; all of Jude; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim. 6:3. ... cont.
I have been reading and studying the Scriptures you have posted, I will touch on a few, by the way, great work. Again, I know my understanding may be different and I do not want to offend, I do thank you for this discussion.
John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." This life came from the Father,
My understanding of this, it is part of John's prolog to his gospel as John writes, "In the beginning" is the beginning of Jesus's ministry, not before creation. Mark used it in Mark 1:1 also in Luke 1:2 and John uses it again in 1 John 1:1 "From the beginning" he is again talking about the beginning of Jesus's ministry, "the Word of life" which was the eternal life from the Father, John 5:26. This life is that light that shined and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we behold his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Jesus the true only begotten Son of God, who came out from the Father John 16:27. He was sent by the Father, Galatians 4:4 from the glory of the Father, the same matter, and divinity as the Father, and the Word was made flesh, born of a virgin and walked among us. We see in Revelation 19:13 His name is called The Word of God. Full of unfailing love and obedience to the Father, God was manifested in Him on earth 1 John 1:2 1 John 4:2 1 John 4:9. Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit without measure.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Will study more of your posts and reply, if you want to continue the conversation, I understand your time is tight.
God bless,
RLW
First, I ask your forgiveness, and say the KJV is one of the most trustworthy English translations, but they are not perfect. When we study pray, and the Holy Spirit will give us understanding, we can trust the Holy Spirit will lead and teach us because the Spirit is truth, 1 John 5:6 do not doubt that. Believe the Scripture by being led by the Holy Spirit, not the traditions of man.
(Milk, then meat) it is a lifelong walk, and some answers will not be known but the one answer that matters is Jesus is the way.
John's gospel, his letters, and Revelation have one thing in common, to show and give evidence that Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, the only begotten Son of God who the Father sent, and in Him is life, our salvation, eternal life. Acts 4:11-12 The Father sent the Son John 4:34 John 5:30 John 6:29 Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of the Father John 6:38.
Jesus came out from God John 16:27 Jesus is the beginning of creation Rev. 3:14 Before Mary could touch Him, He said I ascend unto my Father, and to my God John 20:17 John's writings are full of who Jesus was, is, and will be.
What I posted was not a lie, it is a fact, maybe I should not have posted it on an open forum like this. I wanted to inspire the study, searching for the truth, and not causing doubt. It touches on a subject that many consider non-discussable, the Trinity doctrine.
This is from my heart; this doctrine has been placed equal to the gospel of Jesus. In many Churches, you are not saved and are not a Christian if you do not believe and confess this doctrine. Does the Church have the authority to say this?
Is there any Scripture that says our salvation is dependent on this doctrine that was 400 years after the Scriptures we have? Was it even discussed by Peter, John, Paul, or in any of the letters we have? I'll leave it there.
I am sorry if I have offended you.
Love you all and God bless,
RLW
As you have already experience, they're many who will gladly give you their opinions, thus leaving you both torn & tormented with them,
Friends; you must go to God Himself to seek your answer, it's the only Way you'll have peace on this issue.
Your openness & honesty in revealing that you & your husband were living in sin before marriage is noted. This is what God is looking for, truthfulness Hebrews 10:22 as you both come before Him.
Here are some Scriptures.
Matt 10:19 "except for fornication"
John 4:10-18, here we have Jesus offering eternal life to a woman who had been married 5 times & presently living in sin
Scriptures does not reveal what all Jesus Christ spoke to the Samaritan's those two day He stay with them, but you can be sure it was on the lines of John 8:11 Hebrews 10:26
God's grace teaches us the knowledge of His will & we are to exercises it until we become more than conquerors through Him that loves us & continually gives Himself to us through His Spirit of Grace. This is putting Him on & what we receive from Christ is our inheritance in Him.
The simplest & purest definition of a Christian, is Christlikeness, to be like Jesus.
Its true we all come into this world as sinners, but it not true that we must remain sinners.
Jesus name declare His works, Matt 1:21 "saves them from their sin, not in their sins". Titus 2:14, "cleanse us all iniquity" for how else can we be Col 1:22 "present you holy, unblameable & unreproveable in His sight.
Concerning the reading of the amplified bible this is another man made opinion, throw it out the window along with the rest of the dirty water.
in love & truth
pg 1
1 John 4:7-8 . Because this represents truth, and if I desire to know and experience the Source of this Perfect Love, I should probably focus 100% on this Love. I should endeavor to weed out ALL that is not love in order to recognize clearly without interference, the purity of God's Love. In this, I should truly be thankful and glad that the weeds and vines which do not produce good fruit are tossed out and thrown into the fire. Good fruit is the effect of God's perfect Love and in turn extends God's Will and perfect Love; this is how we join in Creation. To recognize means to know again, implying that I knew before.
"God is Love" AND "God is NOT fear/hate" do not conflict, just as "Satan is not love" AND "Satan is fear" do not conflict. Both pairs of statements together contain the same meaning; both statements together are true.
"God is fear/hate" AND "God is not love" do not conflict, just as "Satan is love" AND "Satan is not fear" do not conflict. Both pairs of statements together contain the same meaning. In and of itself , they can and will appear to be true to a mind who is unaware of the first set of statements; or he is aware of them, but he wavers in belief the first set as truth.
The first group above is the opposite of the second. Obviously, ONLY one group can only be true, leaving the other as false.
A thought system accepting ALL the above together, having ANY possibility of coexisting, i.e. ALL being true; and maintain any hope of a unified mind, may want to pause to consider that a divided mind will never be at peace, because a divided mind is a confused mind. Peace and understanding ALWAYS go together and can never be found alone. I must first remove my FAITH in opposites.
The Mind of God is a pure fresh water spring which cannot produce anything but pure, fresh water. If It were to become contaminated with fear which we actually believe can actually oppose Love, it would produce impure, not so fresh water.
see pg. 2
Meaning- the True knowledge of God conforms us to the Divine Nature, Rom 8:29 1John 4:17
Walking & living in the Spirit, Gal 5:22,23, Ephesians 5:9, They're truly born again of the Incorruptible Seed & sin not 1John 3:9 & those that are not led or have the Spirit are none of His. Rom 8:9
False knowledge does not destroy the works to the devil, but leaves the corrupt Tree standing, meaning the old Adamic nature, the man of sin, because his seed (Satan) remains in him, thus one continues in sin, though he or she is ever so conversant in the letter of the Scriptures.
In love & truth
What I am saying is thinking about Job for instance we see the same sort of scenario. For bigger purposes Satan is allowed to buffet us when already weak when the Lord has the Spirit strengthen us because of purposes beyond our grasp. It is like Moses as well who was overwhelmed by the masses he was trying to appease; although the one time he succumbed to anger in human weakness it cost him from physically entering in the Promised Land in this life.
Clearly then it is most vital for us to pray for and support others who are in the ministry. We see that from Peter escaping from prison. Lack of such prayers also could allow some to die or struggle more than they would otherwise. How God works through prayer is a mystery; He of course intercedes for us and makes the prayer acceptable to God through His priestly ministry in heaven.
I can't help but think of what happens if we have a power grid failure; for instance. Suddenly we will suffer from long term issues. Those of us who are wise and can afford things such as solar energy or have their own farm; etc of course will do better.
Persecution as well could certainly deprive us of sleep not to mention other things often taken for granted today. May we all be as Christ who said meat for Him that the Disciples didn't know about was doing the will of God. ( John 4:34). In such a situation I would rather be the head than the tail so to speak. We will need to parcel out resources for our family but trust God for wisdom for others in need.
Part 5.
Who is God? - His Nature
We know certain things to be true of God for one reason: in His mercy He has condescended to reveal some of His qualities to us. God is spirit, by nature intangible ( John 4:24). God is One, but He exists as three Persons-God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 3:16-17). God is infinite ( 1 Timothy 1:17), incomparable ( 2 Samuel 7:22), and unchanging ( Malachi 3:6). God exists everywhere ( Psalm 139:7-12), knows everything ( Psalm 147:5; Isaiah 40:28), and has all power and authority ( Ephesians 1; Revelation 19:6).
Who is God? - His Work
We cannot understand God apart from His works, because what God does flows from who He is. Here is an abbreviated list of God's works, past, present, and future: God created the world ( Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 42:5); He actively sustains the world ( Colossians 1:17); He is executing His eternal plan ( Ephesians 1:11) which involves the redemption of man from the curse of sin and death ( Galatians 3:13-14); He draws people to Christ ( John 6:44); He disciplines His children ( Hebrews 12:6); and He will judge the world ( Revelation 20:11-15).
Who is God? - A Relationship with Him
In the Person of the Son, God became incarnate ( John 1:14). The Son of God became the Son of Man and is therefore the "bridge" between God and man ( John 14:6; 1 Timothy 2:5). It is only through the Son that we can have forgiveness of sins ( Ephesians 1:7), reconciliation with God ( John 15:15; Romans 5:10), and eternal salvation ( 2 Timothy 2:10). In Jesus Christ "all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" ( Colossians 2:9). So, to really know who God is, all we have to do is look at Jesus.
Jerry that is much of what we know about God and that probably don't scratch the surface on GOD!
I HOPE THIS HELPS.
GOD BLESS.