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  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    John (Part 7):

    John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

    Very important verse! Literally, that second part of the verse is that God has poured out His Spirit in its fullness upon Christ. He is all God! The principle is that He's the only one that has and speaks the words of God. In Colossians 2:9, Paul tells us that in Jesus is all of the Godhead in bodily form. Everything there is of God and bodily form! God did not pour out His Spirit by measure but rather in His fullness.

    John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    Two words in Verse 36:

    He that believes on the Son, right now, has everlasting life. And he that believeth not, and that word is a different word. The "believeth not" is what is translated without persuasion. The one who believes has everlasting life right now.

    But the one who has refused the persuasion of the Son (future tense), shall not see life, but (present tense), the wrath of God is abiding on him. If you refuse the persuasion of God's Spirit about Jesus Christ, you will continue to die in your sins.

    John 4:4 - And he must needs go through Samaria.

    "Must needs" is a Greek word (EDEI) that means He was bound. It was a plan. It was necessary that He goes through Samaria. He had an appointment with this woman.

    John 4:46 - So, Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum.

    So, Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman (BASOLIKOS), from the word king, and it means to be in some kind of royal court or office.
  • RED APPLE TREATY 4 ME ONLY on Jeremiah 20:11 - 1 year ago
    Jeremiah 20:11-16, 38:20 KJV

    When you feel everything around you seems to be falling apart?

    My interpetation:

    1 Peter 1:3 KJV

    'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, '

    "The story of Jeremiah during the fall of Judah is a profound example of faithfulness and divine protection amidst overwhelming adversity." Jeremiah 20:11-16 KJV

    Ways we can have God's hand over us and faithfulness is to have a clean heart and thoughts ( Jeremiah 29:11 KJV) keep God's morals when living life. Believe God's word for bread of life and living water.( John 6:35 KJV)

    Morals- right from wrong , good from bad.

    God has blessed me believing in God's word for bread of life and living water.

    John 6:35 KJV

    Ways you can stand firm and not conflict for example in Jeremiah 37 KJV. Are Allowing us Christians our hands to see God, work and accomplish for us and succeed. - Mark 10:43-44 KJV. Genesis 39:3,6,23 KJV

    Ways you can overcome conflict is by having faith , praying, reading God's word.-holy bible.

    Recognizing God's hands at work. Jeremiah 38:20 KJV

    In Reference to Jeremiah 38:20 KJV My interpetation: "it shall be well unto thee and thy soul shall live." Because you come from God-"1 John 4:4-7KJV. Your are God's son- 2 Corinthians 6:18 KJV.

    Seeing myself born of God made into his image Genesis 1:27 living as God identification of male/man in this world but not of it has blessed with God and of him and his church to partake of the consolation which provides support and aid.

    Support- To sustain, to act,represent well as to support, to support the part assigned.

    Those who believed in Jesus Christ origin ( Christians)who had faithEphesians 2:8-9 KJVand the church to both show the truth were the partakers of the consolation.

    - Refrence example in 2 Corinthians 1:3-7 KJV

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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Jaz,

    Thank you, you and I and others on this site tell our understanding in love for each other as brothers and sisters whether we agree or not. There is no fear, for the things I have seen and have faced I left fear behind me years ago. We have a Savior greater than anything in this world that we may encounter, 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. I can testify we can trust this verse; Jesus is greater than Satan, fallen angels, demons, or any evil we may face.

    Like James wrote, "For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." But after this life is over, regardless of the amount of time, to us it will only be a blink in time until we will be resurrected, and we know who we will be with.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Page 2.

    How could Jesus have shared God's Glory before the creation of the worlds, if He only came as a Man over two millennia ago? Was Jesus wrong or misguided in His prayer? Or, have we somehow misunderstood this verse, which seems quite plainly given?

    John 20:17 and 1 Corinthians 11:3 (& others): all showing Jesus' subordinate position to the Father, by virtue of His coming in the Flesh.

    1 John 2:22. One can easily interpret this verse as given: 'if a person denies the Messiahship of Christ, then he denies/rejects the relationship of the Father to the Son'. But when we couple the same John writing, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:3), we see another view of his understanding.

    What are the possible interpretations of this? There may be some who altogether deny the historical Jesus (though they would be few in number, leaning towards ignorance). Then there would be some who believe that Jesus did not come as a human at all, but as a 'phantom', or a vision/dream. This might be believed by some now, but certainly not to those in His days where He preached, showed compassion, touched & was touched physically by so many. So given that John here believes that Jesus' Life on Earth was not as some would proclaim, but rather that John is pointing his readers to this Jesus, Whom they have seen & touched, is not a mere man, but the One from God. The spirit that is not of God doesn't deny the reality of the historical Man Jesus, for "the devils believe, and tremble", but that spirit that is 'against Christ' will always move men to discard the Pre-existent Christ, not affording Him His full Deity & Glory. Onto Page 3.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    1 John 4:4 "He that is in you"

    Fulness of Christ is like a seed in itself so 'thy word is truth' and indweiing Spirit helps you sprout and put out shoots leaves and fruits. Our abundance is not of ourselves but of his fulness. " I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."( John 15:5). This is the tree of righteousness planted by the waters. (Ps.1:3) The tree is an emblem of heaven earth and lower parts becoming crystallised so we are bound to time and place yet we are on the right side of the river and of the tree of life.(Re.22:1)

    We are also as Christ promised his apostles., "And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." (Matt.4:19) We are like fishers in the vision of Ezekiel, " And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. "(Ez.47:10)

    Instead what do we find prayer request a week ago in this forum but conspiracy theories insinuating 'this senile guy sniffing kids' and the prayer for Trump. For instance the shooter is not a lone wolf as evident in this, "I have been praying. And yes, it seems that there may be more to this than just the 20 year old shooter." It is what spirit of the times have made the simple spread lies under 'pious' statement. True believers ought to compare spiritual with spiritual and aid and abet the unrighteous. This strong delusion is from the spirit of the times.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    1 John 4:4 "He that is in you" (1 of 2)

    "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

    The preceding verse gives us a context and it is the spirit of the anti-christ which,"and even now already is it in the world." So et us be vigilant. James in his epistle asks, "Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."(Jas.4:4). So first we shall settle 'what is greater in you." St John speaks, You are of God, and in the pluperfect tense our victory is already complete in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. As promised he has also given us the indwelling Spirit. So what is our volume? "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven." (Col.1:20) His fulness is our fulness and it how the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters before He decreed the day for his Son. So we are in the kingdom of his dear Son. We are a drop of water even as nations are compared to drop of water in a bucket.

    "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." (Ro.8:10). We are to all intent and purpose in heavenly places and our lives are hid in him. Our fulness comes from God and from his word. God challenges Job with a question, "Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?"( Job 38:8) The sea with doors is like a web,- word wide web, it is to which the Parable of the Dragnet refers." Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:/Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away." It is for a believer to determine if he abodes with Christ or not.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Page 3. Momsage.

    If I might relate two examples (shared here a long while ago) with just word-for-word difficulties. A language translator missionary (I personally know her) doing her work amongst a tribal group in Papua New Guinea, came across Isaiah 53:6 as part of her work: "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all". She couldn't get a word for 'sheep' in her target language, simply because they knew nothing of sheep/never seen one. Her dilemma: should she be faithful to the Word and use sheep, maybe giving them some type of picture & their habits to help them, or should she substitute the word for another. If she described a sheep to those with her now, others in later years reading the Bible, may not have the same benefit of her present teaching/translation. So she changed the word to 'pig' ('all we like pigs have gone astray'). Pigs they knew, for they herded them & seen them in the wild, with their propensity to wander off if left unwatched.

    A personal example, when sharing from the Word in Pakistan with a Church group. Not having a good grip on Urdu (Pakistan's national language), I used a translator & as is always good practise, to go through the message with him so that he too can be prepared. I referred to 1 John 4:10, "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins". 'Propitiation' is a big word even for English-speakers, so asked my translator for the Urdu word for it & how he understood it. He gave the word as 'kaffara', which simply means 'atonement'. I asked, "was that all it meant to him (& by extension to all Christians in Pakistan)?" He replied, "Yes, that is how we all read that verse", because they have no word for 'propitiation' = to appease, or satisfy God's Anger. Obviously, I had to explain further to both him & the congregation, its meaning.

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  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Rich,

    I will certainly lift you up in prayer today. Paul battled inward sin, as we all do. Read Romans 7, especially the way he ends the chapter! Jesus has rescued us from the grip of sin! Even when we have to battle against the law of sin in us daily, we can have a heart as yours and Paul, who desire to do God's will and bring Him glory daily, but we find we still fail to live up to all that God wants of us. We are be sanctified daily by the power of the Holy Spirit in us who prompted the Apostle John to affirm and write: "Greater is He that is in you than He that is in the world". 1 JOHN 4:4

    So we can have confidence in God and His declaration that we are His and have been transferred from the dominion of darkness into His kingdom of light which is the kingdom of Jesus, the Son of God and our Savior. Colossians 1:13. So don't be discouraged and look to Jesus always, for He is our righteousness and deliver from all that is evil.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother Jesse,

    Jesse, please don't take this wrong I care, and I am trying to understand. I have read your posts on Matthew and some of it is helpful, but I do not agree with your understanding of the meaning you give on some of the Greek words.

    In Matthew 16:16 you are saying when Peter told Jesus He is the Son of the living God Peter is confessing to Jesus, that He is the Messiah and He is God. You also say Son of the Living God is a title of God, sorry I don't agree with that. I understand you and probably most on this site believe in a triune God and that Jesus is God, I am sorry, but a title did not die for my sins.

    God cannot be the Messiah, if we deny Jesus is the Christ/Messiah we are a liar and an antichrist. The one who does that also denies the Father and the Son, 1 John 2:22.

    The heart and truth of the gospel is Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, a man born of a virgin whose Father is God conceived by the Holy Ghost with flesh and blood who God the Father sent, John 3:16. Who became the Messiah when He was anointed with the Holy Ghost after John the Baptise baptized Him. He died for our sins, and we are to confess Him and believe He is the Son of God, 1 John 4:15 1 John 5:10. In the Son of God Jesus is our faith and the only hope of salvation. Jesus is the one Moses spoke of Deuteronomy 18:15

    My understanding is 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 is about this doctrine; I know you and others on here will not agree.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS, SeanPaul'

    Yes,certainly,as you said,GOD HIMSELF manifested himself to the Hebrews through the OT;which was written by the twenty-four elders,starting with Moses,understand?By the way,JESUS said GOD is Spirit- John 4:24-,what is the name of the invisible Spirit of GOD?Well,GOD had said in the beginning- Genesis 1:26(the beginning is JESUS,who is the LITERAL IMAGE of GOD,He is GOD)-, yes, GOD had said:"Let us make man in OUR image,after OUR likeness", then, both are One, and as we can see, since ancient times, since Genesis, GOD revealed He would be made flesh.

    By the prophet Isaiah,who is one of the 24 elders,GOD again revealed He would be made flesh, and around 2000 years ago He LITERALLY fulfilled His promise- John 1:14-and what is the NAME that GOD chose for He Himself? The NAME that GOD chose for He Himself was/is JESUS - JOSHUA-. Luke 1:26-the angel GABRIEL was sent FROM GOD(the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing) unto a city of Galilee,named Nazareth,and said to Mary:behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his NAME JESUS. He shall be great, and called the Son of the Highest: the Lord GOD(the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing) shall give unto Him the throne of His father David.

    Remember: The Jews said to JESUS: John 8:41-we have one Father, even God. And JESUS said to the Devil, father of the Jews-Yahweh:It is written,Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the MOUTH OF GOD-Mat.4:4.

    Psalms 110:1combined with Hebrews 1:8(plus Matthew 25:11, James 2:1, Isaiah 49:14, Luke 20:42, 1 Corinthians 9:1) -

    GOD said to the Lord JESUS:Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.

    KJV Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 26:4 LORD=JEHOVAH; ->JEHOVAH is another esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist nickname of the father of the Jews.

    Luke 16:5 lord=a King or one of authority,yes, see John 18:37.
  • BJGibson - In Reply - 1 year ago
    "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." John 4:14 KJV
  • Jesse - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Spencer, great response! True worship is from the heart. True worship is submission to God.

    If I may add a little information here, the word worship in the New Testament, also found here in John 4:24 has absolutely nothing to do with external activities, including singing. The word literally means to bow down and kiss the ring of somebody.

    In other words, if you are coming into the presence of the king, you bow down, you get on your knee, and you kiss his ring. And then he will lift the scepter and you'll be able to talk. But you cannot talk until you express your submission and reverence.

    You see, true worship is submission. It is obedience. It doesn't mean we can't sing, but that in the Bible is called singing. True worshipers worship, and remember what it means, to bow down, to submit. True worshipers worship God in spirit and in truth. Submitting to His truth and reverencing His truth is the highest form of worship.

    Jesus quoted from Isaiah in one place and said, "Well did Isaiah say of you that you honor me with your lips but your heart is far from me." He says I get tired of you going and performing your religious vows and all your singing and whatever when your heart is not even lined up with what you're doing.



    God looks on the heart, and man looks on the outward appearance. It is unacceptable to Him. God is Spirit. Everybody that gives genuine worship to God worships Him in Spirit. We are to surrender to His Spirit and surrender to His truth. That is the highest form of worship!

    Blessings!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Momsage.

    In John 4:20 the Samaritan woman at the well said "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

    She is referring to centrality of the temple in worship where the ceremonies were performed.

    Jesus is saying the day has come where worshiping the Lord in spirit and truth is that worship of God is not to be confined to a single geographical location or necessarily regulated by the of Old Testament law.

    Worship became a matter of the heart, not external actions, and directed by truth rather than ceremony.

    Our worship of God is directed by our love for Him, Not by Command and rituals.

    Ti worship in spirit this way was prophesied in Ezekiel 36:27.

    "And I will put my spirit within you, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    This is the work of the Holyspirit.

    God bless.
  • Momsage - 2 years ago
    John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

    How do we worship God in spirit and truth? God Bless :)
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Sunday Christiana ijeoma,

    In today's society, many do not even believe witchcraft is real, but it is very real and dangerous. Scripture tells us not to deal with it or be around anyone who does. I do not know what you are battling but have faith that Jesus Christ can break any bondage to witchcraft. Trust in the faith of Jesus and immerse yourself in Scripture. James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

    You can trust and hold fast without any doubt because Jesus said this, John 14:13-14 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Bennymkje - 2 years ago
    Signs-Water

    "Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:/ But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." ( John 4:13-14) Two kinds of water.

    Thirsting again is the quality of water that went up as a mist, "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."(Ge.2:7) What God gave Samson to drink was the same. This sign is within frame of reference to the day decreed for the Son. Thus blessings stipulated in the covenant or condemnation arises. This is made clear by unto this day and in that day. The latter refers to the condemnation.

    "But the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life," is what every believer or true worshiper could claim."n the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink."( John 7:37-38; Is.55:1) The two kinds of water have thus different source as Adam and the last Adam have. "The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."(1 Co.15:47)

    It is thus we distinguish between Sabbath as one day which need like water from the Jacob's Well. But thirst never gos away. The water unto everlasting life that we drink in the Son signified we have entered into the rest with the Son.

    Does this insight come from human intellect or from the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ?" (2 Co.4:6) The heretical sects who make much Israel and Sabbath are holding truth in unrighteousness. More worse is that the refuse to come to light because their works are evil." And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. ( John 3:19-20) What is their take on the unity of the Spirit. Drivel.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Matthew 12:43-45 states:

    43When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' On its return, it finds the house vacant, swept clean, and put in order. 45Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and dwell there; and the final plight of that man is worse than the first. So will it be with this wicked generation."

    This passage would seem to infer that a person could have an evil spirit removed somehow; but without the Holy Spirit taking up residence post salvation. ( John 14:23). We are reminded of the sons of Sceva who had demons come out of someone they were trying to exorcize and rend them. ( Acts 19:14-16). We also could conceivably be reminded of those Jesus cast demons from; since some may not have been truly saved after that. We see evidence of that with the case of 1 leper that came back to praise Him while the others went away. ( Luke 17:17-18). We see warnings also of Christ saying sin no more lest something worse happen to you ( John 5:14). In that case it would probably be death as he had been paralyzed for decades apparently due to some sin.

    We can think of the condition in the Synagogue where Jesus cast out a demon early on ( John 4:33 and following verses); and consider how the religious and self righteous piety of the Pharisees caused them to have this condemnation in particular.

    A more sobering thought is many "ministries" today who are seemingly obsessed with casting out demons (in some cases it is proven the same person is involved over and over as a likely paid participant for crowd appeal). I personally have a big problem with one particular teacher who often baptizes people (and says is necessary for salvation) and demons come out.

    We can hardly call someone in that condition in a sound mind ready to make such a commitment to the Body of Christ as Baptism signifies.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Dangerous times

    The other day I heard about a falling out from a church I used to attend with a good friend of mine. It seems the Pastor only wanted to talk rather than hear what he had to say; and that there is a sort of mindset of exclusivity there in regard to it being the only genuine church denomination as my friend put it. The conversation is skewed by the fact that my friend tends to be very opinionated and rather vocal with an aggressive sort of personality.

    I introduce this to say that a church can be increasingly legalistic; or on the contrary embrace the tidal wave of political correctness and hence be a Laodicean type church. in EITHER case I would dare say that a RELIGIOUS spirit can overtake people. There can exist the pride of performance; or the pride of the world and embracing all the damnable heresies in order to emphasize the "love" of God.

    I have compared the end of the church "age" or "dispensation" with that of ancient Israel. We are reminded that God was to be worshipped in John 4:24 where the woman at the well was told that God was spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and truth.

    The remnant always remains of true "Israel" (see Isaiah 10:20). There is also a confessing church and a small portion of them who are POSSESSING the Holy Spirit and thus truly children of God. It is not in a building; ordinances; catechisms and other structured parts of worship that in themselves have any meaning and indeed once we behold Him much of our current practices will be rendered as archaic and in the past. The end all of all things is heavenly treasure; and we are aliens and strangers on this earth. If we take our experience that we see with our five senses to heart without considering the unseen we are not going to progress. Yes; God uses local assemblies and our fellow believers to (hopefully) be discipled and grow together while enjoying legitimate blessings together of families and friends. But we look to the hope to come.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Naisa Koroi. In a short answer, I don't believe that worshiping God on a Sunday is breaking the 4th Commandment.

    Briefly, my reasons are as follows: this Commandment, alongwith the others, were given to God's people, Israel, for their behavior before God & their fellow-men ( Exodus 20:1-17). The Sabbath was purely a day set apart from all others - a day of complete rest, thus it was a holy (i.e. sanctified, separated) day from the other six days ( Exodus 31:15).

    The Sabbath Command never included the necessity to worship God, though it certainly could be used that way in the family home, & then later for functions within the Tabernacle of the Congregation, other sabbath observances, & latterly, in the Synagogue.

    The Sabbath Day required that no work be done, even cooking or picking up sticks, moving furniture, lighting a fire, etc. ( Exodus 35:2,3). So the Jewish Sabbath has no correlation to when Christ's Church chooses to worship the Lord today. Some might choose to hold the Sabbath as a day of rest from all work, but for worship, believers in Christ can worship on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), or any day of the week for that matter; even as Jesus told the Samaritan woman, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him" ( John 4:23).

    It's no longer the day of worship or the place of worship that matters (whether on Mt. Gerizim in Samaria, or even in the temple at Jerusalem, as Jesus told the woman), but that our worship, whether done in private or with a Church congregation, is done in the realm of the Holy Spirit & in Truth. So Naisa, may your heart be comforted that the day of corporate worship doesn't matter to the Lord, but that we worship Him with pure hearts, and in sincerity & Truth. Be blessed.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Greetings Ecalarese

    Be careful with AI , it links only in one edge of the Sword, I mean in the letter of the Holy Scripture, this one edge of the Sword of GOD only kills the souls- Genesis 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:22-23. Satan only uses the letter of the Holy Scriptures- John 8:44. The life in the Holy Scripture is the Spirit of GOD- John 4:24 combined with John 6:63, it is in the other edge of the Sword, and AI will never be linked to the Spirit of GOD, but to the spirit of Devil.

    Satan uses the letter, the writings, of the Bible, to deceive listeners or readers of the Scriptures. Take care.

    What I tell you I tell to all

    Hbrews 4:12-13

    12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to render an account.

    GOD bless
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Oseas,

    My understanding is Jesus was baptized and anointed in the fall of the year__, he was 40 days and nights in the wilderness. Jesus then chose His 12 disciples. shortly after the wedding where Jesus turned the water to wine, He went to Passover John 2:23, this would be 6 months after He was anointed by the Holy Ghost.

    There are 3 more Passovers and Jesus was crucified on the last one, John 5:1, 1.5 years John 6:4 2.5 years, and John 13:1 the Passover He was crucified 3.5 years from when He was anointed as the Messiah.

    My understanding of Matthew 24 was also for the disciples for the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem not just for us today, if we compare Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 have when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet. But in Luke 21:20, He writes when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    The abomination of desolation is something done by someone as King Antiochus IV Epiphanes did in 168 BC. It happened before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. My understanding is parts of Jesus's Olivet discourse were for them and parts are for us.

    What is in Daniel 9:27 Jesus caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease when He died and the vail of the Temple rent from top to bottom. As Jesus told the woman at the well the hour has come ye shall not worship the Father in the mountain or Jerusalem, John 4:21

    The wording in Daniel 9:27 is for the overspreading of abominations points to the abominations the leaders of Jerusalem will have done, Matthew 23:32-38 Jesus told them "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate" The he, is Jesus who will make it desolate and, in their generation, it was made desolate by the people/Roman army, of the prince/Titus same as God used Babylon in 586 BC.

    I hope this makes sense so that you can study for your understanding even if you disagree, if you have questions let me know.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Ecalarese.

    Evangelizing.

    Some seems to prefer to minister to only other believers and have very little to say to unbelievers.

    They are quick to judge and tell them where they are going but don't offer them the only way of escape. The Gospel.

    In John 17:20 we see Jesus praying for our ministering to them.

    "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    I once copied an article on Evangelism. Here's how it reads.

    Part 1.

    To evangelize means to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with someone else. Personal evangelism should be the lifestyle of every true Christian. We've been given a great gift, and our Master left us with clear instructions: "Go into all the world and make disciples of every nation" Matthew 28:19. Before we can "make disciples," we must evangelize. There are other reasons, besides Jesus' command, that should also motivate us to share the greatest news in the world with people who haven't heard it:

    Evangelism is an act of love. Love must be the defining characteristic of every follower of Jesus Christ John 13:35; 1 Corinthians 13:1-7. It is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, so anyone who walks in the Spirit will demonstrate love in dealing with people Galatians 5:16, 22-23. We possess the best news in the world, and love propels us to share it with those who haven't heard. Love wants everyone to have a chance to respond to God's offer of salvation. Withholding news that could save someone's life is the utmost cruelty; therefore, those who truly love God will love the people whom Jesus came to save John 3:16-18; 1 John 4:20.

    Evangelism builds our own faith. Nothing helps us learn a subject like teaching it to someone else. When we make a practice of sharing our faith with those in our lives, we strengthen our own beliefs. Regular evangelism forces us to wrestle through the hard questions, find answers for ourselves, and prepare to respond to the questions of others.

    See part 2.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey S Spencer,

    Thanks, brother, I did not intend to combine salvation issue and eschatology. I was just referring to it being an innate human nature to follow a crowd and taking the path of least resistance. I did not mean to base any truth on the majority or minority. I agree we can apply Matthew 7:13 with salvation but we can also apply it to what is being taught as in verse 15 is a warning of false prophets. This includes false teaching that is attractive and the larger the crowd the easier it is to deceive people.

    I agree we should put Scripture above all that is taught out there for in them is the only truth, but many people do not, they just go with what they hear from a preacher, TV, YouTube, etc. Some never open a Bible and study and pray, asking God for the truth and the larger the follower's impact what they believe is the truth.

    We can be deceived if we do not try the spirits, 1 John 4:1 that only comes from prayer and study being guided by the Holy Spirit. Hope this makes sense, we have discussed this before and this is not to debate we both know each other's understanding and I am not asking you but honestly, I have not found or have been shown one verse that out-and-out says we go or are taken to heaven that some teach.

    I must disagree, I am not Amillennialism, I do not spiritualize Scripture, I believe in a literal 1000-year reign of Jesus with His chosen and faithful at His second coming, Revelation 5:10 Revelation 20:4-6. Also, I do not believe the Church has replaced Israel. We are probably closer in our understanding of the end times than you think.

    Hope you had a good vacation I guess you are on the road again.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    Our Lord JESUS said: Mat.13:30-> In the time of harvest I will say to the reapers,Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the world?and if the world shall be Judged by you,are ye unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?Know ye not that we shall Judge angels?(angels of the Churches) 1Corinthians 6:2-3.

    By the way, JESUS said more: John 4:36-37:->36 He that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37 And herein is that saying true,One soweth(JESUS sowed),and another reapeth.

    And Daniel prophesied:Dan.7:22&27: ->22Judgment was (will be)given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom( Revelation 11:15-18. Take a look.). 27 And the Kingdom and dominion,and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

    Daniel 2:44-47

    44And in the days of these kings shall the GOD of heaven set up a Kingdom( Revelation 11:15-18), which shall never be destroyed: and the Kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

    45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver,and the gold;the great GOD hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter:and the dream is certain,and the interpretation thereof sure.

    46Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face...Of a truth it is, that your GOD is a GOD of gods( Psalms 82:1-2&6-8 and John 10:34-36 combined with Isaiah 41:22-23),and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets,seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

    The Word is GOD,self-executing, understand?
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jaz.

    Part 3.

    How should Christian treat one another?

    We are to be at peace with one another, forgive one another, have mercy on one another.

    Just a few references.

    1 Thessalonians 4:9

    Ephesians 4:32

    Galatians 5:26

    Galatians 6:2

    Matthew 7:12

    1 John 4:7

    However, we don't lie or deceive one another for the sake of peace. The truth hurts sometimes but it promotes spiritual growth providing that the Christ spirit is in the person.

    BELEIVERS SHUNNING OTHER BELEIVERS.

    To shun is to deliberately avoid something or someone. In the Bible, the word shun is applied to evil. Job 1:8, Job 28:28, Proverbs 3:7-8 Proverbs 14:16. So, shunning evil is good.

    There is scripture that promotes excommunication. Matthew 18:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 3:14. but do we do it for harm or Good? What's the intent?

    In any case, it would seem that extreme forms of shunning, such as considering someone "dead," utterly ignoring him, or refusing to acknowledge his existence, go beyond what Scripture commands.

    After all, Jesus said that, when someone is put out of the church, he should be treated as "a pagan or a tax collector" Matthew 18:17. In other words, treat an intractable offender as an unsaved person.

    How are we to treat the unsaved? With love and grace.

    The "pagans and tax collectors" need to be evangelized. We are to love even our enemies ( Matthew 5:44).

    The goal of excommunication and any form of shunning is restoration ( Galatians 6:1).

    The purpose of any type of discipline is to prompt repentance and, ultimately, to reunite our fallen brother or sister with the church body. Being officially ostracized from the church, the sinner might be brought to repentance.

    When the man in the Corinthian church later realized that he had sinned against God, he repented and came back to the church for forgiveness and reinstatement. Fellowship with the Corinthian believers was restored ( 2 Corinthians 2:6-11).

    Isn't it hateful to ignore or shun other believers?

    See part 4.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jaz.

    Part 2.

    We are not joined with those outside the body of Christ so, what are we as children of light supposed to do in a lost dark world?

    We are to bare light and that light is supposed to shine on Christ.

    We are his ambassadors in a foreign land.

    We are to display the work of Christ in our lives and the evidence of a new birth bearing fruit. By this all people will know we are his disciples, and the fruit (especially Love for the Brothern) will also Distinguish between a false teaching religion/teachers and spirit filled believers where the spirit gathers and energizes. This is the operation of God by the baptism of the Holy spirit.

    SCRIPTURE REFERENCES; John 13:34-35, Matthew 7:16-20. 1 1John 4:20-21, If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

    We are to Love the unbeliever, witness to them, and treat them with kindness and help them in a Godly way.

    So, in what ways we are not to be unequally yoked with them? Many things can be mentioned but I won't get into that here.

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18.

    "The command implies that a great difference exists between a believer and an unbeliever. Generally speaking, the motivations, goals, and methods of a Christian are incompatible with those of an unbeliever.

    Faith changes the character of a person. A Christian's highest ambition in life is to glorify the Lord Jesus and please Him in all things; an unbeliever is, at best, indifferent to such goals. "

    Again, don't get me wrong here, we are called to minister to them in particular.

    That is the Lords Commission. Luke 4:18.

    It is our Great Commission to spread the Gospel; Matthew 28:16-20.

    We do that with truth! We don't do it with lies and deception.

    How should Christian treat one another?

    See part 3.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I suppose today's scripture from Joshua 24:18 is as good a place as any to tackle that subject. As for the entire Bible as we have it today; there is no verse in scripture mentioning all the written texts as a whole; probably because they weren't complete yet.

    1 Corinthians 13:10 mentions things passing away when the partial is complete; or something to that affect. Revelation also has verses warning about not adding or subtracting which could mean adding to that book or all scripture. Since the written texts originally came from oratory (with the exception of the 10 Commandments originally penned by God Himself); God planned it out so that the scribes would count every LETTER of a scroll; and get rid of a copy to start again if it was even slightly off. 2 Timothy 3:16 explains that all scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching; reproof; etc.

    I have discussed in older posts a summation of the Apocrypha as to truths of historic or moral truths that are borrowed from true scripture; which always states "thus saith the Lord" except for places like Ruth and Esther; or Song of Solomon. God's truths are absolute; as we see from the claims of Christ's divinity; and the laws in the 10 Commandments. The repetitive themes such as scriptures being repeated again in the New Testament to enhance their true meanings bring a cohesiveness to the Bible. We also have such admonitions as 1 John 4:2 stating what any "spirit" testifies about Christ having come in the flesh.

    That would correlate with verses like Matthew 16:17 where it is clear that Christ's DIVINITY (as the "I am") can only be understood or revealed through the Spirit. I noticed that myself pre conversion it didn't enter my mind that Christ was God or part of the "Godhead". As our spirit testifies with "his Spirit"( Romans 8:16) that we are His children and His Word is truth the Lord will build our discernment of truth as we grow and mature in Him to know what is true (see also John 10:27).
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Murderers: Further insight on Revelation 21:8

    1 John 4:20 is a stern admonition to those who would claim to love God that hates His brother. Other verses in 1 John show as with the Gospel of John the necessary commands for a believer to love one another. We need to look as well at verses in James which discuss the taming of the tongue. ( James 3:5-6) Gossip and slander are things that can destroy a person; hence the admonition about the fires of hell. You can bet that there will be plenty of cursing in hell for the state of misery against God and probably against others as well. Hating a brother without cause ( Matt. 5:22) is in degrees; but unforgiveness results in holding on to our own sins and is not beneficial for us even in this life. Holding onto grudges; for example is another example of a lifestyle of sin; there are people who may have already passed away who we still have bitterness about in our souls resulting in caustic behavior toward others including unforgiveness. Man cannot have unconditional love for their enemies apart from His grace. This of course doesn't validate the "political correctness" today coddling criminal behavior. Acts 2:23 is only one of several passages in the book clearly stating that the Jews killed Christ; and or complicit in His murder. Jesus didn't mince words either with this subject ( Matthew 5:21-22).

    We cannot ignore the act of murder which includes abortions in this study either. Again; we dare not cede to the culture of today which doesn't want to follow Biblical precedent for a death penalty for such an act to vindicate an innocent party and to have some cohesiveness in society. We can complain all we want about dictatorships in the world; but many of them see much lower crime rates because no government can survive in anarchy. We also are foolish in trying to support ideologies that are antithetical toward the value of life because of some misguided notion that everyone wants a "democracy".
  • RosenogleFamilyFun - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello, I would like to offer comfort through the Word in the Book Of John 10:10. I Do Believe it Is up to us individually to help Jesus Christ speak into our existence For He Is 1 John 4:2, even our flesh, He Is the Spirit which Gives us Aspiration every day, and as we Speak, It should Be Likened To the Words printed in red Spoken by Our Lord. The words we use daily, should be used in careful consideration to Be Positive, albeit our bodies feel otherwise. It may take time to notice effectual change in health, I Do Believe It Will Be Done, God's Will, not mine. Which I am not saying I do not pray for your health, I Am saying I as a person cannot accomplish health, God's Will that we Be Healthy, In His Name. Following The Golden Rule I have learned recently Is in our favor as well, it is about Speaking, so Be it positive speech we can receive of Our Lord positivity in our life. Drink as much water as able, for our bodies are of soil, all our seeds planted (Good thoughts, deeds, dialogs) Will grow Healthily same as watering gardens. I pray this helps you grow healthy In Spirit, Mind and Body.
  • GiGi - 2 years ago
    "S" God is SAVIOR

    God alone is the Savior of men.

    Is. 19:20 says that God will send a savior and defender. ad God identifies the Savior as the Holy One of Israel ( a name of God) in Is. 43:3. In 43:11 God says that apart from Him there is NO Savior. Also Hos. 13:4

    God calls Himself Savior in Is. 45:21; 49:26; 60:16. Jesus is called the Savior of the world John 4:42; Acts 5:31; 13:23, 1 Tim. 4:10,

    the Father sent the Son to as Savior ( 1 Jn. 4:14)

    and Jude 1:25 says that Jesus our only God and Savior and He should be glorified and honored the SAME as the Father who is God ( Jn. 5:23) thus claiming equality with the Father. (also see Jn. 5:18; Jn. 10: 30-38; 8:58)

    So, in light of these truths of Scripture, It is fact that God alone is our Savior, and the Father sent His Divine Son into the world to save sinners.

    Hallelujah! Because every human that has ever lived needs to be saved from their sins, and Jesus, God the Son, is this Savior, and no mere man can save anyone.


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