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Hi Deniyzce. God is wholly a Spirit Being ( John 4:24), hence He, or any of those in spirit form are color-less. Likewise, we too might have color because of skin pigmentation, but our spirits know no color.

Hi Giannis.

Well that explains it.

Your reply is based off the assumption that I've seen that commercial. Sorry but I've haven't seen it.

You mentioned "Philia" means "friendship", "storge" means "affection", "eros" means "in love", "agape" means "love" in grk.

End quote.

That is also the way I define them..

However I wasn't defining them in my post, I was applying them and Identifying the source behind them in the English translated from the Greek.

You said Philia, storge, eros is not used for Love In modern grk only agape is used for "love". End quote.

Ok, well that's in the Greek, but in English all these words is translated Love, as you also acknowledged in John 21:15-19. "I will come back to that."

You went on to define agape and stated its used for man and also for God. I agree with that!

We see it used that way here in John 3:19.

( Men Love/agape darkness rather than light ) Men was totally given over to darkness unconditionally. That describes Love/Agape as a condition.

The shift is once saved and given the Holyspirit that love is unconditionally given over to light and the ability to "Love your brothern as I have loved you" as Jesus commanded.

" It's as you stated WE NEED GOD'S SPIRIT (to have the fruit of love and increase in it) and grace to grow in love. How far one rises in that scale is due to one's decision to go for it, using God's grace which is available to all believers."

The Love "FOR THE BROTHERN" I believe that is Gods spirit that CAUSES that! 1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That HE WHO LOVETH GOD LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.

I'm not defining Agape as define love. I'm identifying the source and the define power giving us the ability to perform Gods Love to one another.

We can't do it on our own. Men Love darkness.

GBU.

Brother Spencer,

I will go with B): "the effectual working of the Holyspirit that lines one heart to be in agreement with God's law?"

We cannot do anything pleasing to God in our own human effort. When we stand before the Lord one day, we will have nothing to boast of. It will not be "Look at what I did for you Lord."

The Bible says in Romans 14:23, that which is not of faith is sin. There's a very powerful meaning to that. Understanding that faith means persuasion, this tells me that anything I do which is not under the persuasion of God's Spirit, that is sin. It doesn't matter what it is I'm doing.

I don't believe God will reward me for anything I did in the human. That's all going to burn. What's important is what my response was each and every time His Spirit persuaded me to move or do something.

As for John 4:23-24:

The word worship in the Bible, in the New Testament, also found here, literally means to bow down and kiss the ring of somebody.



In other words, if you are coming into the presence of the king, you bow down, you get on your knee, and you kiss his ring. And then he will lift the scepter and you'll be able to talk. But you cannot until you express your submission and reverence.



That's how it is with God. You see, true worship is submission. It is obedience. True worshipers worship, and remember what it means, to bow down, to submit. True worshipers worship God in spirit and in truth. Submitting to His truth and reverencing His truth is the highest form of worship we can express.

God looks on the heart, and man looks on the outward appearance. Mans works are unacceptable to Him. God is Spirit.

Everybody that gives genuine worship to God worships Him in Spirit. We are to surrender to His Spirit and to surrender to His truth. That is the highest form of worship.

We can only do that by being in submission to His Spirit. I think we're in agreement on this one?

May the Lord continue to bless you through His word!

John 4:23-24.

Worshipping in truth and in spirit. Does that mean by the letter/ordinances which refers to man's efforts or is it the effectual working of the Holyspirit that lines one heart to be in agreement with God's law? Not written on tablets of stone but written in our heart.

If that's so, is it just revealing the hidden wisdom of God in the scripture? Or does the Holyspirit also cause us to love God's statutes and causes us to function in the way scripture identifies us as desciples. "One who FOLLOWS Christ teachings"

(I'm singling out mature Christian here.)

If we are supposed to be moved by the Spirit "by the instrument of faith" unto good works but yet we don't display good works, then our faith is vain/dead, then is it fair to say that if we provide works THAT IS NOT BY THE INFLUENCE of the spirit that causes obedience to God's word then our work is vain.

Would the spirit move us to not only obey Christ but also "Paul's epistles?

Every man's work shall be tested by fire. We can be caught up so much in proving our worth amongst men we may never realize we are building a two-story hay house.

If there is no spiritual growth, we can become ineffective but yet satisfied because we're proud of the work we put in. And if we're content with that we become Lukewarm or perhaps never was actually converted!

This is why we examine ourselves "Examine the motive in everything you do and the spiritual fruit in our lives NOT the two story hay house.

Many will try to present their works to the Lord " Matthew 7:22-23." The Lord will say he NEVER knew you" and you have no works to confirm because your evidence went up in smoke!

Deny ourselves and do all things in the spirit to glorify God

God bless.

Hi.

I concur, to have the ability to love him with all your heart, soul and strength is to abide in him and him in you.

I would like to share what a brother shared to us previously.

Part 1 of 2.

Perfect love is love that has come to its completion. In other words, God's Spirit in us gives us perfect love. 1 John Chapter 4, Verses 7-21 talks about the completion of the love of God.

1 John 4:7 says let us love one another. We are to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. But how do we do that unless God's Spirit in us gives us the capacity to do so? It's interesting that what we call the two greatest commandments are not even written in command form in the Greek text.

When it says "let us," in the King James, that's not a command. That is Subjunctive Mood. We will be loving one another. Why? Because God's Spirit in us gives us the capacity to love. It's a statement of fact, not a command. We cannot produce agape love, only God can. It's His Spirit that causes us to love. That's what it means to have perfect love, for God is love.

We see the character of God's love in 1 John 4:9-10. God sent His Son to be a propitiation for our sins. He met all the requirements that God has for us for the punishment and penalty for our sins. That's love!

Verse 11 tells me that God loved me so much that He sent His Son to die for me. I am indebted to my brothers and sisters in Christ to function and walk in the love of God. In Verse 16, he's making the statement because God is love. Therefore if He dwells in me, then I have perfect love in my spirit.

Verse 18 says there is no fear in love; but perfect love, that is, love brought to completion, casts out fear: because fear has torment. He that fears is not made perfect, or complete in love.

He's talking about the motive for obeying God. Some people obey God because they are afraid. Those who have the Spirit of God, and have matured and understand about the love of God, they do things because they love Him.

See Part 2.

GB.

Hi Inami.

Sorry for such a long delay in responding I went right off to bed after my last reply.

A disciple of Christ is one who has truly believed on and trusted Christ and have been born of God's spirit. This is not professing to be born again and trying to live a righteous life or by serving or by going to church or by ministering. It's confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart that initiates God's spirit to take residence in you. You are baptized by the Holyspirit, meaning you are Identified with Christ. Christ righteous is imputed over on to you. You are then given a new heart with the ability to love and wants to obey him and serve him at your best. John 14:23-26.

You will also love the brethren. John 13:34-35. 1 John 4:21.

You can't redeem yourself! You are redeemed when you truly believe on the work Jesus did on the cross where he paid our ransom as mentioned.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Christianity isn't anything you "DO"

A Christian is what you "BECOME" by the working of the Holyspirit. And you become that by truly trusting in Christ not the works of our own hands. Christ becomes the Lord over your life and the head of the body of Christians you have been baptized into.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Philippians 2:13.

God bless.

Glenda, what is the context of your question in 1st John 4:18? The subject that is being taught (starts in verse 4:7) is that God is love in vs 4:18 it simply means that there is no fear in love for our Father and there is no such thing as fear nor room for doubt in and through God AND NEVER MAKE A DECISION BASED ON FEAR. Anyone that is using fear to cause a reaction is of satan, not God. God is in charge but He expects us to use our common sense and spiritual discernment to navigate through these chaotic times.

God is love and if you have accepted Jesus in your heart God the Father, God the son and God the holy spirit will come and dwell in your heart.

and keep you in perfect peace This means that you will be with love in your heart which cannot torment you because God is love. you will be made perfect as a new creation because his spirit dwells in us. And This happens when you repent and believe in him.

1 john 4:13

13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

Also, it's important to remember that Jesus is the light

John 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Pray and ask for more understanding God is faithful to shows us amen

Hi Jag. This is a very sad indictment against a Church that was vibrant for the Lord & had a great love for the saints ( Ephesians 1:15,16). Now about thirty years later, Jesus speaks to the Apostle John from Heaven, that the Church at Ephesus which was once well commended by Paul & recognized by the Lord ( Revelation 2:2,3), had given way to a lifeless orthodoxy in belief, in service & in love for each other.

When a Church degenerates to such a state, Jesus feels the pain as when a spouse becomes unfaithful & looks aside to other suitors. But the Lord is gracious to allow them to reconsider their backsliding, repent & return to their first love. Even though there may have been individual believers that were true & faithful to the Lord (Who was their first love: 1 John 4:19), when those who ought to have been keen to arrest any departure from their relationship to Jesus have been negligent, then the Church as a whole will be judged & the faithful would do well to depart from their midst, finding food for their souls elsewhere.

Thanks, do you think Isaiah 43:11 is referring to God the Father then, and not the Jesus the Son, or the Godhead?

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

Since Jesus is the one and only savior as 1 John 4:14 and Acts 4:12 says, do you think its possible the uppercase LORD and savior is Jesus?

Ezekiel 44, Ezekiel 44:2-3, possibly the prophecy for Luke 19:28-48, Luke 21, notice Luke 21:37, Matthew 21, Mark 11, Notice Mark 11:16, Mark 12 Jesus still in the Temple Mark 13, notice Mark 13:1,3, as noted Jesus went & left, the same direction. John 10:23,

Ezekiel 44:16,17, Revelation 7 note Revelation 7:14,15,

Ezekiel 47:1-10, healing living water, John 7:38, John 4:11,13,14, Matthew 9:35, Fishers, Ezekiel 47:9,10, Jeremiah 16:16, Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17,

If you look at Ezekiel 1:1,2,3, they were already going into captivity as Prophesied by Isaiah 39:1-7, 2Kings 24:15, Jeremiah 52:31, before Daniel, Ezra & Nehemiah before the return & rebuilding, Ezekiel 48 - end; might have been the divine blueprint for the temple that was rebuilt before Jesus was born

Matthew 1:17

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 25:31-46, John 3:16, James 2, 1John 4:15-21,

Hopefully these are helpful

I'd like to add to discussion on Matthew 5:22

Matthew 25:31-46, is how we are to treat the "least of these" to belittle anyone is a direct offense to GOD. 1Corinthians 1:20-27, Proverbs 17:5, Romans 14:13, James 4:11, 1Corinthians 4:5, John 13:34, Romans 12:10,

This is "brother or sister" literal & family of believers aka "brethren " because those words from "family" hurt deepest

We're to edify Romans 13:8, 1John 4:7, Romans 14:19, 1Thessalonians 5:8-23,

Hopefully these are helpful

1John 4:18, Revelation 21:6-8, 1John 4:1-3,

Do you believe John 3:16 ? Do you believe GOD can heal? Do you believe GOD can change everything? Do you believe man who spoke those words over you, or GOD ALMIGHTY that created you!? Be Healed be delivered

Trust GOD

James 1:5, Romans 10:17, James 4:7, Luke 11:9-13,

Nick 34, You're saying only when you pray or read the Bible; the scripture says pray without ceasing 1Thessalonians 5:17. Lay the word on your heart & in your soul, bind on your hand, in front of your eyes, to talk about them often, with your children when sitting, walking along, when laying down, the WORD of GOD, Deuteronomy 11:18-20, Psalms 119:11,

Is it a spiritual attack to keep you from reading, praying & learning of a Loving Creator our Loving Father in Heaven? Or is it the HOLY Spirit bringing conviction of sin? If it's not peace that is present, your relationship needs work, possibly. Even Isaiah a Prophet of GOD, had to repent to be close to GOD's presence: Isaiah 1:6, These should be helpful

Fortunately God gave us this test to determine if spirits (including voices) are from God or not:

1 John 4:1-3

Also God says do not fear the enemy/satan. He holds no power over us:

Matthew 10:28

He can only tempt, but we can resist and he will flee. We always have a way out if we look for it.

1 Corinthians 10:13

So, you do not need to worry or have any fear about these. If you rebuke the evil spirits in the name of Jesus they will go away.

Matthew 4:10

Mark 9:28-29 Prayer

I am praying for you now. God bless you in the name of Jesus. I would do absolutely everything to dedicate your life to following Jesus, including fasting, reading the word, prayer, praise. Get rid of any filth you can and replace it with God's purity. Don't hang on to any of it. End times are near. Also, watch out for false prophets. They may lurk anywhere, even in this forum. Rely on God's truth, not on man's itching ears who love to spread lies from satan.

Hey Kathy,

As Jacqui said there is a lot out there. The mark we see in Rev. 13 is a mark, or the name of the beast, or the number 666 in their right hand, or in their foreheads. This will not be a mystery at the time, people will not accidentally take it they will take it willingly.

My understanding: the hour of temptation, not taken out, but strengthened to go through, Rev. 3:10 and 2 Thess. 2:7-12 corresponds with the false prophet, by miracles, great wonders, and power was given him in the sight of the beast causing people to take the mark and worship the beast or be killed. A similar thing was done by Decian during the persecution in 250 AD. Instead of a mark, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, that people had to sacrifice to the Roman gods or else.

The number 666, many apply to people, Popes, and other things. This number goes way back in history, it is tied to false god worship, Paganism worship of the hosts of heaven, astrology, the 36 groups of stars, and when added 1+2+3 up to 36 = 666.

The word antichrist, many teachings and millions of dollars have been made on this word. It is in the Bible in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 and according to John, there are billions of antichrists in the world not just one. It is also associated with the man of sin, the son of perdition in 2 Thes. 2:3. What is interesting is perdition has the same meaning as the name of the king the angel of the bottomless pit, destruction, Rev. 9.

In Revelation, there is the dragon (Satan), a beast, a false prophet, and the mystery Babylon the great. Satan is cast down and out of heaven permanently Rev. 12, he gives his seat power and authority to the beast, Rev. 13 we see this beast ascends out of the bottomless pit, Rev. 11:7 Rev. 17:8. The beast is given 42 months (3.5 years), not 7.

A study of this will carry you all over the Bible. Rev. jumps, what I mean, is parts of the same event will be in another chapter.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Gigi.

Hebrews 10:19. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (We can now come into his presence)

1 Corinthians 6:19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (Because he abides in us.)

1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is "HE" that is in you, than he that is in the world. (It is a "HE" that is in you that is stronger than he that is in the world.)

John 17:21-23. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I IN THEM, AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, (AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM). "The Holyspirit is God's spirit in us!

Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. (It is the father, the son, and the Holyspirit abiding in us according to these scriptures.) AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.

Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

With so many scriptures like this given a would be confusing if there were no trinity.

The way you have explained it often is well represented by scripture.

God bless you.

You believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

Romans 10:9

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

God said it! I believe it, and that settles it for me.

1 John 4:18

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

Jesus of Nazareth loves you. He gave himself for you! If you are certain you love Jesus back, the issue is trust.

Trust in THE LORD! Be thankful to him in all things. The more you thank God, the more you will trust God!

Hi.

John 4:24 GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

"ONE LORD," one faith, ONE BAPTISM,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

Romans 8:11. ( BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM ) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, HE THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT that dwelleth in you.

1 Corinthians 15:45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT.

Acts 13:30. But God raised him from the dead:

Study these verses and you will see the trinity in who raised up Christ from the dead.

John 10:17. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

God bless.

Lev. Ch. 6

..cont.

we should believe and trust that our sins are forgiven

we are to make restitution to those we have sinned against

we are to seek God's help in changing our ways in this area of our life.

It is in obeying God that we love Him (1 John 4:21, 5: 2-3) and love our brother, as well.

In doing so we look out for the best interests of others and not just our own.

In doing so we glorify God and show Him to be worthy of our devotion and the giving of ourselves as a living sacrifice to Him.

In doing so, we establish a just social order that brings blessing to others instead of evil.

It is in doing so that we show ourselves to be children of God.

And in doing so we rightly exercise our calling as kings and priests unto God, being wise as serpents and innocent as doves, demonstrating that we are a holy people set apart for God's work and will to be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Hi Dr. Lyle Lee....Let me bring your attention to the Woman at the well a Samaritan a Gentile.. John 4:1 Jesus tells her of the gift of God which is the H.G. That CHILD OF Promise..There is only 1 Promise.. Luke 24:49 kjv Behold i send the Promise of my father upon you which was baptism of the H.G. the Promise and that was the only Gospel he Preached..Being bornnagain of an incorruptible seed etc.. Acts 2:39...The Promise is unto you and your children....which was the gift of the H.G....A living being had to be born in them which was the H.G. Their new heart and new spirit was the H.G. That New Creature neither circumcision nor uncircumcision ( not Jew or Gentile )...but a new Creature...Which was the H.G..When he breathe on them they received the H.G... John 20:22...The gift of God and there is only 1 gift which is the H.G....Dr. Lee don't ya see that 2 gospels wd make him a double minded man which is an abomination to God...And a hypocrite...2 Gospels wd make him a hypocrite...Double minded man... James 4:8 a double minded man is unstable in all his ways...We know our Lord was not double minded preaching 2 gospels...Gbu Lyle, but ya need to rethink this...I always agree with you..But not on this one...

.....When he said my words are spirit and life that implies living words...The 1 and only Gospel is a living being the H.G....That Child of Promise..The only Gift of God ..Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in...That Child is the H.G. as that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit...Our new innerman has to be born in us Which is the Child of Promise... Romans 14:17 for the Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G....This implies that the H.G. IS THE Kingdom...And there is only 1 kingdom and 1 bridegroom

Hi Midian.

That's interesting. Esau is a type of fleshly man and so is Jacob sometimes when used in scripture.

But Esau cared not for the birth rights. Jacob wanted it but he had to learn to trust God. When he did he was later named Israel.

( The birthright wasn't given by merit.)

This seems to paint a picture of the wickedness of the ungenerated heart of man. Man has no faith or desire for God apart from the spirit of God. A 1000 years of man being ruled by the Lord with a rod of Iron and when satan is loosed not only do they rebel, they go to war against the Lord. That's not the Church who follow the Lord because they hear his voice!

John 10:27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

God's spirit in a believer won't lead him to rebel against God.

Here's 2 verses to consider;

1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

( We've been sealed)

2 Thessalonians 2:7.

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (This is how Satan's deception is made possible )

By the time you get to Revelation 4 We've been Redeemed.

God bless.

Hi Adam.

I believe Hebrews 13:12-16 speaks of spiritual living



"Wherefore Jesus also, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, SUFFERED WITHOUT THE GATE.

Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, BEARING HIS REPROACH.

"We've been cleansed by the blood and separated to follow him."

FOR HERE HAVE WE NO CONTINUING CITY, "BUT WE SEEK ONE TO COME". (The new Jerusalem.) Galatians 4:26-28.

("But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.)

"Sarah presents a picture of this."

( We've been born by promise.)

Issac presents a picture of this!

Galatians 4:28.

BY HIM THEREFORE LET US OFFER THE SACRIFICE OF PRAISE TO GOD continually, that is, the fruit of our lips GIVING THANKS TO HIS NAME.

BUT TO DO GOOD AND TO COMMUNICATE FORGET NOT: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

We are to praise him for freeing us from the bondage of dead works and counted us worthy to be heirs of the promise given to Abraham by faith. We are to walk in that faith righteously.

Ephesians 5:14-17.

Romans 12:1.

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."

We've been brought outside the camp cleansed and given the Holyspirit to be able to serve.

John 4:20-21.

It's not location or command. ( No longer in bondage) Brought outside the camp, been made free AND NOW ABLE to worship in truth and in spirit.

THROUGH THE POWER OF THE HOLYSPIRIT IS HOW WE SERVE HIM.

God bless.

The beast, the dragon and the antichrist tare Satan, it's his unholy trinity, Satan is the great imitator imitating God throughout the centuries in the the most egregious way, it's mockery. 2 Corinthians 11:14 , Revelation 20:10 , 1 Peter 5:8 , 1 John 4:1 , Revelation 13:4 ,

Babylon the great is deception, confusion, the confusion which people spread: Revelation 17:1 Come hither; I will shew to thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many peoples.

The same account recorded in : Matthew 3:17,

Mark 1:11, context Mark 1, Luke 3:22, 2Peter 1:16-18, 1st hand account, witnessed

Also, Luke 9:34 context Luke 9:27-36, Mark 9:7, context Mark 9, Matthew 17:5, context Matthew 17, Luke 3,

Romans 8, 1John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1John 5:10,13,20,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hello believers, in looking at John 4:23 and Hebrews 13:15 why do you suppose God wants us to praise and worship Him? Not everyone is blessed with a pleasing singing voice, so I wouldn't think this is simply for Him to hear pleasing sounds :)

I'm sure God is 100% secure and doesn't need our love or validation whatsoever so I'm wondering what the purpose of these commands are? ( Exodus 34:14 doesn't seem to offer much support for this, however. )

Thanks Giannis.

That's the way I have it as well.

On the Matthew 24:31-46 I think I was responding to Gigi.

Her quote;

By GiGi

The most consistent view in the church over the centuries was that the rapture happens on the Last Day, as Jesus said in Luke 21:27; Matthew 24:29-31. Even Daniel was told that he would arise on the Last Day in Daniel 12:13. This is why I believe that Jesus comes back only once again and will gather believers to Himself on the Last Day.

End quote.

My point was that Matthew 24 was not about the rapture.

Those taken away are gathered for judgment.

She's rapturing the wrong group!

Some say that the tribulation is a time of testing for God's people. Who and what is being tested? God's grip?

We must consider these verses. John 10:28-29.

I John 4:4.

Matthew 28:20.

John 14:18-20.

Ephesians 3:30.

Jude 1:24-25.

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

So it's obvious God is not testing a spirit filled vessel.

TRIBULATION.

This is mentioned in Daniel 12 where a specific time period is mentioned and Jesus confirms it in Matthew 24:15-21. This tribulation is to come upon the whole world. This is not the persecution ( By the world ) promised to the Church in Matthew 5:10 and other places.

There's a huge difference between persecution by the world and tribulation ( UPON ) the world.

Millennium.

Where does Christ thousand years reign here on earth fit in their theology?

My reason for asking is they are split in this view.

If you say the rapture comes after the tribulation and you use Matthew 24 to authenticate that, When is the thousand years reign of Christ here on earth?

Why would you rapture people out of the Millennium?

Some hold the view the Millennium has already begun and the Church will usher in the Millennium by preaching the Gospel.

They say there is no rapture.

Continue this weekend.

God bless.

Genesis 3:14,15, just like then, the trick & deception was within twisting the WORDs. Genesis 3:1-4,

Woman's seed = Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23, Luke 1:26-37,

Son of wickedness = 1Samuel 25:17, John 8, Luke 22:3, John 13:2,

Matthew 4, Matthew 9:32-33, Matthew 23:25-39,

Don't be in fear. 1John 4:18, Luke 12:5, Psalms 34:9, Exodus 20:20, James 4:7,

The enmity Jesus faced: John 19:6,

* Matthew 12,

I believe it's possibly scriptures mixed together that are actually separate. However the main point you're getting from it seems to be in Paul's letters to the Church in Corinthian: 1Corinthians 7, note 1Corinthians 7:10-17,

Mark 10:1-31, Luke 16:13-31, John 4:1-43, Ephesians 5:33, Romans 7:2, John 8:1-11

Hopefully these are helpful

Hey Someone, who cares,

Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.

Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40 Mark 9:37 Luke 10:16 John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.

We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16 Mark 1:10 Luke 3:22 John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16 John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:16 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.

A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.

These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.

God bless,

RLW