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More on this important topic concerning our works ans righteousness.

Romans 10:10. Says 'For with the heart man believeth UNTO "righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Ephesians 2:10 (KJV) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO 'good works", which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The righteousness is not of the law as mentioned and the works is not the working of the law. 2 Corinthians 3:3-4. Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

This is performed by Christ being in you and he will abide in you until the end.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

1 John 5:10-12. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

AND THIS IS THE RECORD, THAT GOD HATH GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

We either have Jesus or ww don't!

If we have Jesus we have life and that life is sealed and eternal.

I love the way the scripture plainly put it. "GOD HATH GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON.

God bless.

Deanstuyvesant,

Amen to that! I have said this before and this is what I believe about prayer:

To me, prayer is the means by which I express my submission to Gods will in whatever it is I am praying for.

What that means is when I petition the Lord in prayer and ask for His will to be done, I have the promise according to 1 John 5:14-16 that He will answer my prayer.

It doesn't matter what it is, He will answer if I ask according to His will. Now, I know that doesn't mean I'm always going to get what I expect, and my situation might even get worse, but it will be according to His will, and I must accept it and thank Him either way!

Often times people pray for things, whether it be for better health, better finances, new job, or whatever they are praying for, but in their prayer, the do not pray for His will to be done, and then wonder why their prayer was not answered.

But if we pray anything according to His will, that prayer will be heard and answered. And we have to submit and accept whatever His will is.

alex1939...Lemme give ya my slant on languages...There was no other nation like Israel that Knew Greek and Latin and Hebrew...But Israel stoned almost all the Prophets and rejected the Christ...Jesus asked 1 day which of the Prophets has not your fathers stoned...They were Sola Scriptura they knew the bible by heart...in almost any language but they didn't realize that they were of their father the devil...B/C of the written word, without the spirit the written word was a killer in any language that old covenant...Thats y Jesus was saying search the scriptures in them you think that you have eternal life but it is them that testify of me... John 5:39...No eternal life in the written words per se...The written word was like the manna Jesus said your fathers ate of the manna but they are all dead...His New Covenant was living words that has to be born in us...Thus the Children of Promise from his seed ...Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...2 nd Cor. 3:6...Who has made us able ministers of that New Covenant not the written words but of the living words not of the letter the written word but of the living words the new Covenant...A living being the H.G. that Child of promise the H.G. that teaches us in the Spirit not in a certain language...But words of the new covenant...Living words ok gbu

Hello Peggy. You could look up the following Scriptures on Jesus Christ's Deity (i.e. God's fullness found in Jesus ( Colossians 2:9) & in His Holy Spirit). Jesus' Deity is proved by:

a. His Names: Hebrews 1:8, John 20:28 (God); Matthew 16:16, Matthew 26:61-65 (the Son of God); Matthew 22:41-46 (Lord); Revelation 19:13 (Word of God); Revelation 19:16 (King of kings and Lord of lords).

b. His Characteristics: Matthew 28:18 (Omnipotence: all powerful); Luke 6:8, John 2:24,25, John 13:11 (Omniscience: all knowing); Matthew 18:20 (Omnipresence: present in any place); John 1:4 (Life); John 14:6 (Truth); Hebrews 13:8 (Immutability: unchanging); 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1-14 (God manifest in the flesh in Jesus).

c. His Works: John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 (creates); Colossians 1:17 (sustains); Luke 7:48,49 (forgives sin); John 11:41-44 (raises the dead); John 5:27 (judges); John 15:26 (sends the Holy Spirit).

d. His receiving Worship: Hebrews 1:6 (from angels); Revelation 5:11-13 (from other heavenly beings); Matthew 14:33 (from men); Philippians 2:10 (from all).

e. His equality within the Triune God: John 14:23, John 10:30-33 (with the Father); Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14 (with the Father and the Spirit).

I hope you can see from these few Scriptures that Jesus was not just a special Man or Prophet sent by God, but truly was "God manifested in the flesh". No other man before Jesus' coming, during, or after His leaving this Earth, could ever fully reflect God's Glory, Wisdom & Power. Only God could - and He did this by sending us His Word, made Him a Man, so that He could give His Life as full payment for our sins - but only to those who believe this & place their trust in Him. To some, the 'Trinity' teaching is abominable. But man's salvation depends on the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ - that God could accept no other Sacrifice to redeem & secure people to Himself - only by giving fully of Himself, which is true love for all.

Beverley Blevins,

This scripture may be exactly what you were looking for: 1John 5:13,14, in context 1John 5, continued from 1John 4,

I thank the LORD, showing me today.

Hopefully this is helpful

Hi Estelle, the trinity (or Godhead) is mentioned in verses like 1 John 5:7.

The Godhead is mentioned in verses like Romans 1:20.

The KJV doesn't have the word trinity, but "Godhead" and uses 'we' and 'us' plural in places even though God is one. Galatians 3:20

Some unfortunately use this as a weapon to attack who God is, so its worth noting that the word Bible isn't in the Bible either, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. The KJV doesn't have the word demons, but that doesn't mean there's no demons. It doesn't have "labor", "encouragement", "suicide", "anxiety", "honor", but they are still real and true subjects discussed within. So for any onlookers with questionable motives in their heart, this busts one of the most common strawman arguments dishonestly made against God.

God bless.

Hi Neveah. Just further to GiGi's accurate & helpful comment, I would like to clarify an oft mistaken understanding of the Person of God. As you asked, "How can God be three people at the same time?", I think many people, even some Christians, seem to think that the word 'Trinity' implies three gods. Why? Because it's difficult for the human finite mind to comprehend how one can be divided into three & still equal one, without becoming fractions. But it's not one dividing into three, but three together manifesting the one.

This is where the first error comes in: that some believe that God can be divided. The Scriptures remind us that God is One ( Deuteronomy 6:4; Deuteronomy 4:35,39) & there is no other god beside Him. Then the fact that we read in the Word, of God's Spirit and God's Son, we are then inclined to believe that the Spirit & Son are separate gods from the One God. The Bible tells us in 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." So, in the person of God we find the evidence of Father, the Word, & the Holy Ghost. This is God for Who He is - the absence of any one of these 'aspects' negates the reality of God or any evidence of Him (i.e. God cannot be God unless His Word & Spirit are in existence within Him).

Now God can do what mortal man cannot do: He can send out His Spirit to fulfil His Will & Plans for the universe & for us. He has also chosen to send out His Word, clothe the Word with human flesh for the salvation & redemption of sinners ( John 1:1-14). Impossible for us to do, but not impossible with God. Is God now deficient in Himself by doing all this? Not so. Both the Spirit & the Word were sent out by God from within God, & all they have done & continue to do are in perfect harmony with God's Mind, Power, & Purpose. Simply put, the Word (Jesus) & the Spirit can never do anything outside of God's Will because they are fully within or sent from God's Being.

There are many "numbers" being toss about with no Biblical reference: 7000 being the elected Jews? Acts 2 was used, but only 3000 were saved and baptized v41. Later in the same chapter many were saved, however no exact number v47 "and the LORD added to the church daily such as should be saved."

A reference was made to Revelation 7, but even there John writes of the 144,000; 12,000 from each tribe.

I found from 1 Kings 19: 18: GOD reminds Elijah "...yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Ball, and every mouth which hath not kissed him."

GOD to shine HIS face and bless all on this forum. HIS countenance to be great upon all the saints and give you peace.

Let us pray for salvation of our leadership and the lost and confused. May we put first the desire of the LORD.

Matthew 28: 18-20; 2 Peter 3:9; Titus 2: 13- 15; 1 John 5:3

October 25, 2022

Hi Gigi,

Hope everything is going well with you. In comments recently KJBO Admin put new messages about updates, they asked for additional suggestions. I would reply to that thread. They're usually quick to respond. There is also a Link they usually have in that comment to reply to if you'd rather reply that way.

Btw._. I thought I'd take the opportunity to explain why I rarely reply back on the threads. One comment you made a while back addressed your feelings when not being replied back to, during discussion. Usually the original Thread is a new person asking a question & I personally wouldn't want different conversations going on in a chat if I was seeking a GODly answer from scripture. Luke 6:31, especially if new in scripture. My other reasoning is: if I do not feel my additional reply will edify, I usually will not. 1Thessalonians 5:11, Romans 14:19, 1Corinthians 10:23, finally because our comments are up & posted for all the literal World to see, read & return to: 2Corinthians 3:2, I am trying to treat GOD's Word & my opportunity to serve Him faithfully with the utmost respect & honor, therefore I do try to hold my tongue & keep my personal opinions mostly out of my posts. John 5:44,

I definitely have not meant my lack of responses as disrespect, on the contrary it is usually out of respect I have kept quiet. As per also site comment guidelines.

Hopefully helpful

There is a phrase I heard while travelling: "Same, but Different"

This might explain the seemingly paradoxical relationship of the trinity or Godhead. Exactly how much the same are they and exactly how different are they? We don't know, we're only humans with limited capacity to comprehend this and no Earthly experience with this relationship. We only know what God's word says...

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

1 Kings 8:60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Isaiah 9:6

John 10:38

"...the Father is in me, and I in him."

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

1 John 5:20

"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

Acts 17:29

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or sto

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Timothy 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;"

Deborah:

Since you are saved and a born again Christian, what are you saved from?

Is Christ not the passover lamb of God?

Does not death pass over those covered by the blood?

John 5:24 ....he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath EVERLASTING LIFE, and shall not come into condemnation, but is (present tense) passed from death into Life.

John 8:51 ......if a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Lukewarm Christians don't keep his sayings, his words.

Have you come to truth of what being born again is?

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the life in you) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my JUDGEMENTS, and do them.

John 16:8 And when he is come (Christ in you, the new creation) he will will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of JUDGEMENT.

John 16:11 Of JUDGEMENT because the prince of this world (lies and deception in you) is JUDGED.

Matthew 12:28 But if I (Christ in you) by the Spirit of God, cast out devils (lies and deception) the the kingdom of God has come unto you.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO (his statutes and his judgements) his good pleasure.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN OR GOD (truth and life) doth not commit sin (It's Christ in you working both TO WILL and TO DO his statutes and his Judgements)

Most Christians want walk in this truth and that makes them lukewarm.

God bless you.

Hi Deborah,

This is not a salvation issue and shouldn't cause divisions within the body, but yes, I believe you are interpreting the Bible correctly. In my opinion theree is much stronger Biblical support for this compared to the idea of Christians going direct to heaven as they die. Someone can simply make a list and there are probably more than double the amount of verses supporting that someone will wait in sleep for Jesus to return than to go to heaven immediately. It also makes more logical sense as it would seem weird for Christians to go to heaven and skip judgment when it says everyone will be judged, and everyone in this case means everyone- and it also says it will happen on the same day: the day of judgment, which wouldn't exactly happen if people periodically went to heaven randomly. It would not make as much logical sense if Christians went to heaven only to return back to earth in the grave to rise, then meet Jesus, then go back to heaven a 2nd time. Whereas, the alternative seems to both fit scripture and be more logical too.

John 5:28-29

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

Daniel 12:2

1 Corinthians 15:6

1 Corinthians 15:51

etc

The support for the other perspective is the thief on the cross through an assumption that this is a template for all of mankind to follow and no exceptions and that paradise is the same is heaven. The second is that when Paul said he'd rather be away from his body and with the Lord that one assumes his preference means reality for all, and assumes that him wanting to be with the Lord means there's no waiting period. Of course when someone sleeps in death it likely won't seem like waiting, just like when we sleep on earth we usually aren't conscious a full 8 hours waiting to wake up. God bless.

Hey Richard.

I read your posts, but I do not reply as much anymore but if I may. The statement Jesus was fully God and fully man, I have heard others say as well. From the time Jesus was born until He was resurrected and ascended back to heaven can this be truly said?

We read in John 17:1-5, shortly before Jesus was arrested, He prayed to the Father to be restored. Jesus left it all behind for us, the only begotten Son of God. The Bible does not clarify what that glory is, but whatever it was, it was lacking in Him while He was human. Jesus came as a human being and had to deal with life as we do, Heb. 4:15, and was obedient to the Father, Phil. 2:6-9.

Jesus was sent to fulfill the law and the prophets only man could do that. Jesus is the Messiah/Christ that God promised and sent, the Anointed One, the only begotten Son of God, and when He was baptized, He was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure to do the will of the Father that sent Him, Matt. 10:40 Luke 4:18 John 3:34-35 John 5:30-31 John 17:21.

Jesus is now back in heaven with the glory He had at the right hand of the Father and will reign until all enemies are put under His feet, 1 Cor 15:25 and we know the last one is death, Rev 20:14.

There is no other name above His, Phil. 2:9 and no other name where there is salvation, Acts 4:12.

God bless,

RLW

Hello Jacqui, I just noticed a possible misunderstanding. I'm reading Giannis's quote:

"God is one but there are 3 distinct persons which are called The Father, The Son(who became the man Jesus Christ) and The Holly Spirit."

And now I'm reading your quote:

"I believe something slightly different to Gianni's . I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is a separate being from God . This is not a common belief amongst Christians but I can assure you it's not exactly unheard of either . "

He didn't use the word separate and didn't say anything was separate from God, either, but distinct within God. Deuteronomy 6:4 says God is one. There's only one God. And within the one God 1 John 5:7 says there are 3 parts. The 3 are still one. This is what most Christians believe because this is what the Bible says.

All 3 components of one God are already spirits. God the Father is a spirit, God the Son (Jesus) is a spirit, and the Holy Spirit is a spirit.

By your comment, within one God do you only believe in only 2 parts within one God instead of 3 parts within one God like 1 John 5:7 says? God bless.

Hi David.

1 Peter 4:6 is a verse that you have to put it in context with the previous verses.

Dead mentioned here in this verse isn't physical death it is spiritually dead. ( Dead in trespasses and sins).

Notice the context.

1 Peter 4:3-6. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

John 5:24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.

Here's more parallel references.

John 11:25-26. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Ephesians 2:1-3, 5. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

I hope this helps.

God bless.

If you have seen Jesus you have seen the father.

1 John 5:15

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 1:1

1"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The "Us" is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The Word is Jesus. See John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Also the Lord Jesus said "I and the Father are one." John 10:30

Holy Spirit is God 1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

True God: (1 John 5:20) - This is a direct assertion that Jesus, being the true God, is not only divine, but is the Divine. Because the Bible says there is only one God, this is describing His nature as part of the triune God.

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." The Son is called "God."

I Am: ( John 8:58, with Exodus 3:14) - When Jesus ascribed to Himself this title, the Jews tried to stone Him for blasphemy.

2 Pet. 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"

"our God and our Saviour"

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Severe penalty for denying Jesus.

Matthew 10:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:10.

The same account recorded in : Matthew 3:17,

Mark 1:11, context Mark 1, Luke 3:22, 2Peter 1:16-18, 1st hand account, witnessed

Also, Luke 9:34 context Luke 9:27-36, Mark 9:7, context Mark 9, Matthew 17:5, context Matthew 17, Luke 3,

Romans 8, 1John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1John 5:10,13,20,

Hopefully these are helpful

Here are some scriptures in that regard:

Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5, 1Samuel 15:35, Job 10:21,22, Job 34:22, Job 38:17, Revelation 2:7, Luke 23:33-43, Luke 16:19-31, Psalms 6:5, Psalms 48:14, Psalms 49:14, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Isaiah 38:18, Romans 7, 2Corinthians 7:10,

Psalms 56:13, Psalms 89:48, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 14:27, Ecclesiastes 9:4,

Psalms 116:15, Proverbs 14:32, Isaiah 9:2, Isaiah 25:8, Hosea 13:14, Luke 18:33, John 8:51, John 5:24, Acts 2:24-27, Romans 5:10-21, Romans 6:2-23, Romans 8, 2Timothy 1:10, 1John 3:14,

Jeremiah 21:8, Ezekiel 18:31,32, 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 1:18,

Hebrews 2:9-18, Revelation 20, Revelation 21,

My walk in the LORD GOD should always be "salted" in the joy I have because of CHRIST JESUS in me. As I adhere unto the things of GOD, I can be assured that the LORD will hear and answer my prayers and supplication. 1 John 5: 14, 15

At this junction, our country is facing grave and dangerous outcomes with our current leaders and the direction we are heading with their current economic, social, and religious ideologies. I must go before the LORD as depicted in

2 Chronicles 7:14, 15.

The disciples asked the LORD JESUS why they couldn't heal the demon possessed boy, and the HE replied "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting." Matthew 17: 21 If I desire healing for our land and country, I must become "salt" and turn from the leaven and honey; and praise the LORD in HIS great commission. If I am of CHRIST, then I must set my "...affections on things above and not on this earth..."

I must be willing to present my body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto my GOD. "...And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Romans 12: 1, 2

I write this post to remind myself of what I need to do and where my devotion unto my LORD stands at this point in my walk with HIM.

I praise the LORD for all the saints on this forum and their love for the LORD JESUS CHRIST. The sharing, declaring, and proclaiming the precious things the LORD has done for you is certainly encouraging for me to read and glorify HIM.

Numbers 6

24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

The LORD to lift all who love HIM and await HIS soon and imminent coming. Titus 2: 11-15

September 26, 2022

John 5:2, Bethesda

Hey Someone, who cares,

Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.

Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40 Mark 9:37 Luke 10:16 John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.

We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16 Mark 1:10 Luke 3:22 John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16 John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:16 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.

A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.

These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.

God bless,

RLW

Hello, not sure of your motives or beliefs through your comment, but here are some verses for you.

John 4:24 - God is a spirit

John 1 - Jesus was the Word and the Word is God. He was there in the beginning and made everything (verse 3)

1 John 5:7

What I take out of this is God the Father is a spirit, God the Son is a spirit, the Holy Ghost is a spirit.

God the Son took on the flesh and was a man temporary. A vocal minority falsely assumes Jesus was a man first, but John 1:3 debunks that.

I believe human beings are also spirits. We are not our bodies, but just temporarily inhabit them. 1 Corinthians 15:44

Hello Adam.

Adding to the other posts.

At the end of His prayer Jesus asked God NOT to do according to Jesus' Will but according to His own Will. Matthew 26:39 "...nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

So it is not a matter of faith but a matter of asking something that is according to God's Will. And His Will was that Jesus was going to be sacrificed for the salvation of people. So in that sence God answered Jesus' prayer.

1 John 5:14

"And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, he heareth us:"

GBU

Praise the LORD for all on this forum. It is great to read of all the comments and different view points and the general discussions. This particular chapter brings to mind of our own peculiar circumstances now in 2022. No matter what we are going through, the LORD knows who each and every one of us are in HIM.

When we come out of it, as the children of Israel did come out of Egypt, we will be numerous and "spiritually" wealthy in then LORD JESUS CHRIST. I am encouraged to watch my LORD work on our behalf, as we carry out HIS commission. Matthew 28: 18-20; John 15:7,8; 1 John 5:14

May our leaders find mercy, grace and faith in GOD'S salvation and lean on HIS wisdom and direction. Proverbs 3: 3-13

Let us stand together in CHRIST our LORD and pray diligently for the peace of Jerusalem as well our own nation. Ps 122:6; 1 Timothy 2:1-4

GOD to shine HIS face on all who worship and praise HIS Holy Name.

September 13, 2022

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

"mighty God" = Jesus as a baby is called God.

Titus 2:13-14 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

"God and our Savior Jesus Christ"

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"God was manifest in the flesh" = this is Jesus, who was manifest in the flesh. John 1:14

Revelation 19:13-16

"his name is called The Word of God" = Jesus.

"and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." = Jesus

"And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." = Jesus

John 1:1 clearly says the "Word was God."

"Lord" also means deity or God.

"But Jesus prayed to God so how can He be God?"

Because the Bible says He is. Jesus has always been Jn 1:2 and relegated Himself to become a temporary man in the flesh prayed to God the Father. Just because He prayed as a temporary man does not automatically mean He wasn't God, the Son. 1 John 5:7

Philippians 2:9-11

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Hi Gregory. If I have your question correct, 'now that I am a believer trusting in Jesus only to save me from sin's penalty, when did the promise of eternal life with the Father in Heaven commence?'

If correct, it is my belief that the promise of eternal life began immediately upon your new birth by God's Spirit. When we look at the Scriptures referring to eternal life, we see that it is synonymous to believing/placing one's trust in the Lord. John 3:36: "He that believeth on the Son HATH everlasting life." John 5:24: "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life." John 6:47: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me HATH everlasting life."

1 John 5:11-13: "And this is the record, that God HATH GIVEN to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that HATH the Son HATH life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

All these verses indicate that eternal life is our present possession, i.e. 'you have it NOW'. As soon as our hearts were renewed & the Holy Spirit came to indwell us, our sin was dealt with, we became God's children, and our earthly walk was no longer uncertain, overcome with sin & living without hope in God's Love. And that is why the Apostle Paul stated in Philippians 3:20, "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ". Paul understood that our conversation (Gk. politeuma: citizenship) had already begun in the heavenlies; that our earthly life now, is just an earthly sojourn - "our affections are set on things above, not on Earth" and "for here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come."

When once this earthly life was probably our only joy & hope, now IN CHRIST, we are but pilgrims here, gazing upward, confident & secure towards eternity.

Scripture on when we die: John 3:16, John 5:24, Romans 5, Romans 6, 2Corinthians 1:9,10, 2Timothy 1:10, 1Peter 3:18, Revelation 1:17,18

Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 18:4-32, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:27-28, James 5:20, 1John 3:14,

John 11:25,26, Romans 8:13, Romans 8, Romans 14:8, 1Corinthians 15:22, 1Corinthians 15,

Revelation 14:12,13, Revelation 2:10,11, Revelation 20:6,13,14, Revelation 21, Revelation 22,

Hebrews 11:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hi Marsha. There are many verses that speak of, or allude, to the Triunity of God, i.e. God manifesting Himself to us in three Persons. But if you're looking for a single verse, then 1 John 5:7 fits the bill: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Of course, the Word given here is Jesus, Who is the Word of God made flesh for the suffering of death ( John 1:1-14; Revelation 19:11-13).