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Andrew, "The idea of an eternal soul is not Biblical. "- Not so. "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28&29 Every soul has an eternal destination.

"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: and have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."Acts24:14&15 Paul has an expectation/hope, as he understood the law and prophets, to teach also. An eternal state for all souls IS biblical.

As Christians we believe in the triune God; Father, Son and Holy Ghost, three distinct Persons in one divine Being, or Essence. (The Holy Trinity)

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Thanks it explains the Pentecostal and prosperity gospel/ church And also the catholic and cofe church.

As Christians we believe in the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, which is impossible to understand with our finite minds,

I believe one needs to read the first chapter of John (where he calls Jesus the Word) and also 1 John chapters 4 and 5 we may have a better understanding of the Trinity

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

1 John 5:5

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Okay, in Jeremiah 10:9, we have a description of those given to idolatry & the extent the heathen go to to beautify their idols (maybe finding more merit by giving the idols extra honour). Such was their efforts to glorify their idols, that even their clothing was the finest ('blue & purple' - which the common man could never afford), as they worked meticulously in their wicked craft & were very skilful at it ("cunning men").

I don't believe we can equate the colour of their clothing to anything sinister today. Some of course wish to show off their outward appearance & wealth, but the purity of one's heart & holy lives are of greater worth in the sight of God.

Thank you for ur reply

I was referring to Jeremiah 10v 9

It was just a coincidence that I came across people wearing /dressed in blue and purple and we evidently mocking and blaspheming scriptures and using the word of God to wish evil to come to pass

You appear to group ALL Churches by these descriptions. I realize that many do not wholly follow the Word of God, often bending & twisting Scriptures to suit their own ends or even in gross perversion of biblical Truths, but you would need to give specifics to your statements/questions, which seem too generalized.

I think you might be referring to 2 Chronicles 2:7: "Send me now therefore a man cunning to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass, and in iron, and in purple, and crimson, and blue, and that can skill to grave with the cunning men that are with me in Judah and in Jerusalem, whom David my father did provide." And there are other verses in similar vein about "purple", e.g. Exodus 35:35.

The word "cunning" is an archaic word for 'skilled'. You could also use words such as 'being adept in performance or having manual dexterity'. And these men were selected for their ability to work with fabric, producing high quality workmanship.

Why do churches practice

'the image of jealousy'?

doctrines of vanities?

And doctrine of devils?

Why do preachers want to be a minister of Satan and not a minister of Christ Jesus ?

If a person clothes himself in blue or purple is that person 'a cunning man'?

Or is that person mocking God?

So whether it's Art that is your hobby (& that is a great past-time requiring the creative part of your brain) & it takes up some of your spare time, or something else, such as reading, engaging in constructive games with family, friends, or on the Web, all these & many more that we can do to keep ourselves occupied & not let our minds begin to wander. Even helping a friend or neighbour out, can be very satisfying.

When the mind wanders, it sometimes settles on thoughts that are not right or pleasing to the Lord. As you train yourself to focus on other worthy things in life & keep yourself busy, you'll find that your attitude & perceptions of others will also change. When once you looked at women with lust, you will now consider them differently in a godly way, & not as objects bringing on wrong thoughts. And when the time comes for you to settle down in marriage, as you ask the Lord for the right person to be your wife, you will see her & appreciate her for who she is & her contribution to your life & not just for sexual satisfaction. And she will appreciate a husband who has kept himself pure in mind & body, trusting the Lord for everything. You have a great life in Christ ahead of you - continue to seek Him first in everything you face & all your needs will be met, as a loving Father giving care to His son.

I'm retired now & don't get about as much as I used to. However, this gives me opportunity to read more of God's Word (as you are also doing), ministering to others & getting on this KJB Site to be part of a great bunch of believers seeking to help others get to know the Lord & His Word better. Otherwise, odd jobs around the house, gardening & my love for flying (on a computer Simulator of course), also keeps me mentally & spiritually engaged. I too falter & fail the Lord at times - but the Lord's response is never one of anger & rejection, but of love, forgiveness & restoration. Stay close to Him at all times, my young friend - He's always there for you.

1. Realize and admit you're a sinner, that you're not perfect. ( Romans 3: 10,23)

2. You believe the gospel. The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ with your whole heart. ( 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4)

3. You confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and your savior. ( Romans 10: 9,10)

God doesn't lie, God doesn't break his promises. He desperately wants you to be with him in eternity. There's nothing you can do on your own to save yourself, Jesus did all the work for you already on the cross. It's his free gift to you. Have faith!



"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." - 1 John 5: 13

Well I don't occasionally leave our house much accept to work 18 hours a week, that's about it. And one of my interests is art I really enjoy drawing.

Hi, there's a 10 month old child who may be suffering from a genetic disorder, there's a 6 month old baby in ICU and there's another child named Caith who has an abnormal sac of fluid or brain tissue that extends through a detect in her skull. Plus there's God knows how many others suffering from various diseases/ illnesses like Covid, blood cancer and others. There's one person who has anxiety issues, there are those in ICU, there are those who have seizures and another earthquake happened recently this year. Please pray for healing and salvation/ repentance including the salvation/ repentance of those around those suffering (mentioned here and those not mentioned here).

Thank you so much.

Your honesty & strong desire for victory in this weak area of your life, is noticeable & you do receive our prayers & support. As a young man of 16, I perceive that your unnatural view of women, has been introduced & fostered by engaging in media depictions of women or even through viewing pornography. I know many people, young & old, engage in this as it is given so liberally on the Web & elsewhere, to satisfy our sinful cravings.

You say that the "void" in your life is huge & that is so dangerous. I can't change your family's use of their spare time, but I can offer some suggestions. And I agree, that Bible reading & prayer cannot take up all your time, even for the ability to concentrate. But remember, prayer to God for help, is not confined at a particular time of the day, but wherever you might be: on the street, in a cafe, out with friends. Whenever sin comes knocking at the door of your heart, your first call is to the Lord Who loves you & wants to see you living in victory.

An addiction, any addiction, requires determination & discipline to rid the habit. The craving might be there for a while, but the pursuit of it has to stop quickly. Firstly, stay away from those areas that are tempting you to lust. Remember that the Bible often speaks of fleeing lust when it comes ( 2 Timothy 2:22, James 4:7, 1 Corinthians 10:13,14, 1 Timothy 6:9-12, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20). If it's books, the Web, the beach, the movies, etc. that is causing you to falter, then stay away from them. The next important thing is how you view women. Always make it a constant practise to see them in a proper, natural way as equal members of society, worthy of real love & respect. You're in that 'highly charged' age group, but that doesn't mean that women should be considered in any other way than you would expect them to consider you or treat you. Be involved in Church youth socializing with them, be careful who your friends are & where you go with them. What are your interests?

You can get different interpretations of this verse, as also seen in verse 8 of 1 John chapter 5. I've heard it as being associated with Jesus' baptism in 'water' & the culmination of earthly Work by the shedding of His 'Blood' at the Cross. And this may well be correct as I can see its inference.

However, I rather see these verses, & being consistent with John's Gospel chapter 3:5: "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.", as applying to Jesus' physical Birth. Why I also think in this way, is because much of John's epistle is devoted to highlighting the Gnostic teaching entering the Church & for believers to stand on apostolic teaching, to not be swayed by these others, & be confident in their faith. One aspect of this Gnostic (Docetic) teaching was that "the incarnation (i.e. Jesus coming in the flesh, from God) was incredible (unbelievable), as deity cannot unite itself with anything material (such as a body of flesh)."

So the Gnostics rejected the idea that God could make Himself appear in material human form (as many even reject this now) but said that Jesus was only a special Perfect Man & without the Divine in Him. So what 1 John 5:6 is saying, is that Jesus did come from God in human form (water & blood depicting the birth process & the human aspects) & God's Spirit witnesses to this fact. As there are three that bear witness in Heaven (verse 7), so to on Earth, three bear witness & agree together: the Spirit & Christ's full humanity (water & blood).

In 1 John 2:22,23, John had to relate a similar warning to the Christians: that the one who denies the Divinity of Jesus (i.e. that He came from God & in the flesh, & has both the Divine & Human natures) has the anti-Christ spirit within him & has to be avoided. I hope this helps you - others may contribute their understanding on these verses also, as you can also get other opinions from different Bible commentators.

Hi anonymous person. Prayer and outside of prayer I would suggest control the eyes, and the ears, sometimes music can take control of your mood swings, monitor what makes you weak, spend a lot of time in the word, and do whatever you can to minister what the Holyspirit have taught you through the scripture, change may not come overnight , but know that you made your partition before the Lord. I hope that helps.

I am also only 16 and my family kind of does nothing all the time. How can I stay busy and keep bad thoughts out of my head when I do nothing all the time, it's a huge void for satan to fill, and I read the Bible but I can't read it all day everyday. I take time out to read the Bible daily, but What do I do to take up some of my free time afterwards.

Thank you so much you have no idea how much that helps me. I really like being able to ask Bible questions to get closer to the lord.

That's a very important & pertinent issue you've raised & I appreciate your honesty in admitting it, an area so common to the male species, but often kept buried. With all the bombardment from the media that typifies women as sexual objects rather than seeing them as God intended & to love & respect them as we would our own mothers & sisters, it is little wonder that both Christians & non-Christians suffer badly here.

I understand what you're saying, though unsure of your marital status or age group, as in my younger days as a single unbeliever in the Armed Forces, there was always the pressure to conform & to view females in an unnatural way; & our treatment of them usually reflected our mindset. Many of them too, gave in to us & one even openly stated that women were on Earth to give pleasure to men! So for the Christian, Jesus' Work at the Cross not only forgives us our past sins but endues us with Power from on high to live above that type of carnal living. Yet the internal struggle goes on.

You write about "self discipline and training your mind" which I presume includes spending much time in God's Word & prayer & specifically about your areas of weakness. Indeed, the Spirit of the Lord is there to guide & strengthen you, but also to inspire you to use whatever means to deal with it. Remember, whenever we seek to remove something from within, there is an empty space to fill. If it remains empty, then that temptation to sin is ever ready to fill the void. And this goes for any sin which is not of a sexual nature. You know the things that trigger lust for you & so how can you avoid them or deal with them? As said, soak yourself in the Word & serving the Lord in whatever way you can. Look at women as those of your own family. Whenever the wrong thoughts enter, cover it with the Word, look to the Lord to give you a way of escape ( 1 Corinthians 10:13), fill your mind with goodness ( Philippians 4:8). "An idle mind is the Devil's Workshop" - keep your mind employed.

Hello, the way I understand the Godhead and the 3 in 1, comes from a different angle. Remember we are crafter like Him let's look at Gods Body:(I understand He's Omni-all)

Here we see it says the fullness of what makes up God the Creator dwelled in the Lord Jesus Christ- Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Isa9:6 is very telling, look at all the names of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor (Holy Ghost), The mighty God, The everlasting Father (Also the Father), The Prince of Peace.

Counselor -

The everlasting Father

The mighty God

We see from scripture, unless I missed a spot but there is only 1 image of God, The Lord Jesus Christ

Col 1:15, 2cor 4:4

We humans are made in his Image AND Likeness.

What does this mean? Image-Body/Spirit Likeness-Character, Emotions, The soul.

It even says we have the 3 and they are 1 yet we are not 3 people.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Isa 9:6 says speaks of the Lords Spirit when it mentions He will be called Wonderful, Counselor

What about the soul? The Father? Jesus mentions His (The Father)"shape" being unknown

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Col 1:15 calls Him "Invisible" Yet He is one with the Word made flesh, The Son

We are made in His Image and likeness, body soul and spirit

His Glory/Image/Majesty is displayed in the Lord Jesus Christ of whom is the

"Body" of God- Col 2:9,2 Cor 4:4, Col 1:15

Even the Lord Jesus Himself tells you unless He Himself is Being praised, Not the Father, nor the Spirit but HIM they are false look at what Joh 16:13,14 says about the Spirit of Truth.

Hi Barbara, didn't know if you got a clear clear answer from your question, here is some verses that might help. 2nd Corinthians 5:6-8. and Philippians 1:20-23. The spirit which is you, goes to be with the Lord and the body which Paul calls a earthly house/ tabernacle. meaning a tent, " temporary dwelling place" goes to the grave. Also read 1st Thessalonians 4:13-17. hope that helps.

My brothers, Bob and Mild Bill

This truly is something that seems to greatly divide the body of Christ. Some people like to say "Jesus is God" and some like to say "Jesus is only the Son of God and not equal to the Father". I guess me posting this is to bring peace between us and not argue over things which, through picking different verses, can be deemed different ways. Jesus Christ is the only beloved Son of God. Born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. I'm sure we all agree on that. Jesus Christ is a man as to no other man to have ever walked this earth. Filled with the Holy Spirit of His Father. Doing miracles no one had ever experienced before in all of time. Truly God was in Him.

I am not taking one side or the other in this. I have no problem with people saying "Jesus Christ is God". Or people saying "He is the Son of God". He is, was, and always shall be. Jesus Christ is the only way unto the Father and is One with the Father. Everything has been given to Him by His Father. He is our King and Lord. God our Father want's us to honor the Son even as we honor the Father. John 5:19-23

May the Lord bring peace among us who are with Jesus Christ. We do not need division. The enemy wants us divided. I pray we may come together in peaceful conversation about things not of this world as they are from above. As none of us knows everything. Through the Holy Spirit I pray bring us together my Father. Teach us in your great knowledge and glory in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Thank you so much for helping me understand my question

Apostle Paul said they sleep in Jesus until resurrection day .

Which according to Jesus is the last day , the dead in Christ arise and we which remain are caught up to meet Jesus , so that it's the day of redemption we all look for . It only happens once for all believers. At that time on the last Day at his coming , that every eye will eventually see . It's not a secret coming .

Believers bodies wait in the grave until God says it's time. Their bodies rise to meet Jesus in the Clouds; where we'll receive our new incorruptible resurrection bodies along with our soul and spirit.

Next: the now living born again, Holy Spirit baptized Christians meet Jesus in the Clouds. Our bodies are complete except they are incorruptible resurrection bodies too. No more pain; just joy.

Keep praying for those that sit on the fence of unbelief or indecision.

I get comic book Bible tracts from Chick dot com and put one on benches or on the ground by business doorways. Who doesn't like to get a comic?

Have a blessed New Year! Maybe listen to some FM radio Bible programs. Stay hot, not lukewarm. Revelation 3:16

those who are anxiously looking up for His appearing

are the people in the grave asleep or are they with god after death

Acts 16:31; 1 Peter 1:8-9; Romans 10:10; Ephesians 1:12-13; Titus 3:5-6; Once a person gets saved, they will want to do what is right to honor God in any circumstance! James 2:14-26; 1 John 5:11-13

To know that your experience of re-birth by God's Spirit is real, is found in the testimony from God's Word & by the witness of His Spirit to your heart.

There are many Scriptures that tell us, what God has done in a truly repentant, confessing sinner, is a declaration by God. And if God has said it (through His Word), then He cannot lie & He is faithful to perform it in your life. Look at: John 3:16; 1 John 1:9; 2 Peter 3:9; Acts 2:38; Luke 15:10; 1 John 5:4; 1 John 2:29 are just a few.

Not only from God's Word that He wants all to repent & turn to Him, but also His Spirit witnesses to our hearts:

Romans 8:16; Galatians 5:17,22; 1 Corinthians 12:7 ff; 1 Corinthians 2:14 are some for you to consider.

So these verses declare God's ministry to us to assure our hearts that we belong to Him, i.e. we have been born again by His Spirit. But for each of us, the Spirit's ministry can be specific & special. One may see God doing mighty things through him that blesses many. Others, can have a quiet confidence in the promises of God & willing & able to share with others what God has done in him. But in all cases, the indwelling Spirit is there to assure you, comfort you, direct you, teach you & give you a hope for the future, which an unbeliever simply cannot have & enjoy.

Sometimes, the initial reception of the Spirit can be quite dramatic, whether in outward manifestations or an inward contrition & resulting joy in salvation. If you've had that experience, be assured of His Presence in you. If you've been baptized in water, here is another great testimony of an inward response to God's Work in you. But if you're feeling empty & no different from when you were unsaved, then you need to examine yourself whether you have come to God in the way that God has prescribed or to check whether you are harbouring any sin that stops His Spirit from fully working in you. I can't know all about you from where I am - you will have to search your heart & life & be honest with God.