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Other verses referencing the "love of God". Eph. 3:19 "And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God". John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him". John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love". 1 John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous".

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Living in the Spirit part 2

Our childlike faith should never be calloused by the weight of the world. That being said; there is no escaping the fact that we are in mortal bodies which are perishing daily such as 2 Corinthians 4:16 indicates. We have treasure in earthen vessels; though ( 2 Cor. 4:7). There is a healthy abandon which should accompany a mature faith; these aren't needing to be mutually exclusive states of mind and practice. We see those in the parable of the seeds and the sower who have immediate joy but no root in themselves ( Luke 8:13). We also have warnings to the Ephesian church in Revelation about leaving their first love ( Rev. 2:4).

The difference in these two verses is those who have an emotional reaction to the Gospel not rooted in faith; and in the second case those who had a true love in Christ and followed all the right doctrines but didn't continue to have love of Christ as their prime motivation. If we love Him we obey Him (1 John 5:2; John 14:21). Love of proper doctrine; law and other protocols should be the offshoot of that love but it must keep a root in a living; active faith else it slips into a religious set of moral dogmas that seeks to either squelch the flesh or brings an attitude of pride and self righteousness to the ecclesiastical leadership that leads to a dead religious set of rituals. Eventually; of course that leads to the tendancy of additional rituals in a Pharisaical manner if we are not careful.

Avoiding dead fellowship is no excuse for a permanant retreat from fellowship; however. Especially as we see the day of His return drawing near we are told NOT to forsake the assembly of one another ( Heb. 10:25). Our identities should be seen as adopted sons and daughters and being part of that heavenly assembly ( Heb. 12:1). There is a knowledge that the earth and heaven must be remade; all creation is groaning and will be until that Day comes ( Romans 8:22). Satan's accusations show us earth is not our home.

I don't see how anyone can say that for sure. The answer would be maybe. There seems to be some sort of confusion as to the concept of the "unforgiveable sin". That; according to the Gospels is spelled out fairly clearly-that of ascribing God's Spirit to Satan (or Beelzebub otherwise known as the king of the demons) which is basically the same despite some blowback I have had on the subject. That is why Christ says that any offense against Him is forgivable but not to the Holy Spirit. This shows how the Spirit is God's testimony to the world which is to remind us of "sin; righteousness and judgment to come" ( John 16:8).

There is another common misconception around the "sin leading to death." (1 John 5:16-17). There are certain sins which Paul mentions in the Corinthian church such as when the man was given over to Satan so that the flesh may be saved. ( 1 Cor. 5:5). Indeed; Paul makes it clear that if Communion isn't taken properly many have gotten sick and "fallen asleep" (died) as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11:30.

There is always the chance that in a last minute repentance (such as the thief on the cross) or perhaps right before death repentance can occur. This would certainly be the exception rather than the rule as sadly "few" will be saved ( Matthew 7:14 etc). There is a difference of someone who is in a lifestyle of sin compared to say someone that slips up once or twice (as seems to be the case with many Fentinol overdoses these days). We would also have to assess if the man in question ever confessed Christ previously; and if any fruit evident of true repentance was in his life ( Matt. 3:8-10). There is a whole host of other things Satan uses such as music and the occult; the desire to be popular; etc. which drugs can be used as a gateway. That is different; although tied in with the physiological dependencies someone is trapped in; or emotional state of suicidal behavior that triggers such a sad ending.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Agape.

Dear all brothers and sisters in the Lord. Go and bless everywhere! We must never forget that we have received gifts from God and His goodness, loving-kindness, and grace.

I got one word today, I have to share. I may have wright in here before and if it is so, That this has come out wrong. May you fine people forgive me, here!

John 5:16-23

We must honor Jesus, and we must never forget it. Stay truly safe in Gods word. Love you all in Christ.

The resurrection the last day? ( John 6:39-40,44) And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should (raise it up again at the last day). v.40 Tells us that everyone that sees Jesus and believes on Him, He will (raise him up at the last day) When is the last day? ( John 11:24-26) Martha saith unto him, I know that (he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day). (25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.: (26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? ((So the resurrection IS the last day)). The word (resurrection) is #386; it means a standing up again, a resurrection from death, raised to life again, rise from the dead. ( John 5:28-29) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall ((hear his voice)), (29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (All that are in the graves shall ((hear His voice)) and come forth, this happens at the resurrection the last day) ( 1 Cor 15:42-44) So also is the resurrection of the dead, It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: (43) Tells us it is raised in ((glory)) and also raised in ((power)) Jesus comes back in the clouds in ( Mt 24:29-31) with power and great glory to gather together His ELECT, that would be the last day. ( Col 3:4) When He appears we appear with Him in ((glory)) Then we look at ( 1Cor 15:51-55) We are all changed at the last trump, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. The word (last) is #2078; it means farthest, final, (of place or time) ends of, latter end. (That does not sound like its (before) the tribulation does it?) ( 1Thessalonians 4:15-17) The Lord descends with a shout, and the dead in Christ rise first, this is the last day, the resurrection.

Hey Jesse,

Thanks for your reply. You have a better knowledge of Greek than I do, what I see is today, the Greek word , smeron, meaning today, this day, this very day. I think the word today is correct it is how we read the sentence and how it fits with what the thief said and when will he be in paradise, and if paradise is part of Hades or the new earth when it is all fulfilled.

Heb. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: What do we understand the meaning to die/death? Platonism says it is a separation of the soul from the body and the souls go to Hades. If the soul is immortal what is appointed to die?

Luke 16:19-31. Was this a real story or is this a parable He told to people mainly the Pharisees? If we take it as reality, they were judged at death because Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom, and the rich man went to a fiery place of torture. Does scripture support that? Dan. 12:2 Matt. 25:31-34 John 5:28-29 Rev. 20:11-15.

The rich man was aware of where he was and talking and seems they have a body, asking for Lazarus to wet his finger and cool his tongue. Does scripture say we are awake in death? Job 14:10-12 Ecc. 9:5-6. The context of this chapter is the love of money, and stewardship, Jesus was addressing this to the Pharisees, "No servant can serve two masters".

Eph. 4 I know some understand this to mean that when Jesus ascended into heaven, he led a host of captives who ascended into heaven with him. But in Acts 2:29-34 David is still in his grave and has not ascended, would David be left? John 3:13. Does this show Jesus ascended alone?

I will leave it there, I guess it comes down to if we believe our soul is immortal which influences how we understand the scripture. Just some other thoughts, like you said there are probably more understandings. Thanks again.

God bless,

RLW

Joseph Mary Fasi, You're in my prayers this morning. With love, in Christ Jesus's name I ask for The Lord to heal whatever's going on in your body/spirit. For whether this ailment be of body or spirit, I do not know. But the Lord knows.

John 14:13-14

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Father, In the name of Jesus Christ I command this condition to halt. I ask You Lord to rebuke it. And I rebuke it in Your name Jesus. Free his/her body from this debilitating illness. Please deliver them from any illness of a spiritual nature as well. I am pleading the blood of Jesus Christ over them .IN JESUS NAME Amen

Just a simple heartfelt prayer for you. And a few scriptures for you to stand on. Please write them on index cards and hang them where you will see them often. May Gods blessings be upon you today and in the days to come. May His presence overshadow you. Amen.

1John 5:14

Matthew 21:22

Mark 11:23

I believe God.

What about Jesus! --> John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I have just learned that there are scriptures missing from my bible, (KJV). I did not know this was a thing. Where can I find Jeremiah 1:30 / 1:36, in regular print? Have these scriptures been completely excluded from all versions of the KJV? Suddenly, I feel weird about this, and I wanted to submit my question.

Dear God, Father in Heaven, thank You for being the omniscient, powerful, unique God who knows all things. We thank You that You sent Jesus to us, so that we can be saved through Him. John 6:28-29 John 3:15 John 5:24

We believe in Jesus Christ that He was born of the Virgin Mary, died and was buried, rose again on the 3rd day, as He said He would do. We thank God that when He calls us, we listen and the growth that is, comes from the Lord. According to His will. We pray in Jesus Christ's holy name for He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. When we come to Him in Spirit and Truth, He will hear our prayers, so He will transform us into and become like Him. Amen Hallelujah, may we walk to His glory, may we always have Jesus Christ with us every day. Always stand up for Him who did everything for us, so that we are cleansed in Jesus' holy blood on Calvary. For no other sacrifice could take away man's sin, Amen Therefore we have nothing to boast about, only rejoice in God. He will guide you, dear friend, all the way. That we have been given life is His, as is everything else in our lives. Amen Ask Him for changes and you will get it. Ask Han for advice and you will get it. Know that He goes with you, because He cares for us all, He has shown us that.

One advice: Stay strong in the word everyday. Amen love u in Christ. Matthew 28 chapter

Jimbob:

John 5:28

Is Jesus not speaking about His resurrection in this prophecy?

Do you not think you fit into Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that part in the first resurrection?

God Bless You!

Six things determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city.

Part 5

To seal up vision and prophecy

Seal up, affix a seal, a seal in biblical times as today, is used to guarantee security or indicate ownership. Vision, God's communication with man, prophecy (w-n-), the same word for prophet, a divine vision, a vision spoken of a divine vision or dream, Isaiah 29:7 God spoke in times past through the prophets, but these last days spoke to us by his Son, Heb. 1:1-2.

The Mosaic Law and covenant pointed to Jesus. He sealed them up, that is, he fulfilled them. The greatest prediction, which runs like a golden thread through the whole contents of the Old Testament, is that regarding the coming and work of the Messiah, Jesus; and the greatest use of prophecy was to perpetuate faith in his coming and to prepare the world for that event.

Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18 John 5:36-40 Matthew 5:17 Matthew 11:11-15

The Bible shows Jesus fulfilled the prophets, and the Mosaic law the first covenant fulfilled, sealed and His ministry was confirming the New.

See Part 6

Page 3.

I was sad to read your last statement: "Yes I hope and pray in the name of Jahshua that I survive the last hour of temptation in my life to be saved." Your faith in Christ Jesus is a living & active faith (or, should be) - the Spirit in you will continue to abide in you, dealing with all sin, & securing you till the day of completed redemption. Even John assures his readers in 1 John 5:13: "that ye may KNOW that ye HAVE eternal life". This is a present knowledge & not a fearful hope of the future. The Spirit will guarantee that you will endure to the end. I earnestly hope you can reconcile these things in your heart & life.

Ok. No Jesus not jahshua. Or Jah or whatever hebrew or Greek equivalent to Jesus and, God you choose to refer to. In the English language God is God. Jesus is the messiah, and so on and so forth. God knows who you are talking to just be respectful when referring to Him. Don't get caught up on obscure verses trying to make a doctrine of the name of God.

Secondly Jesus never made any new commandment . When Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments" he was quoting Exodus 20:6



"And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments

This is referring to the ten commandments. All of them

Secondly the first four commandments are how you love God.

Just like the last six deal with how you love your NIEGHBOR.

He did not refer to every commandment he just referred to the ten commandments.

He was never saying just love your NIEGHBOR and not God.

Jesus is the one who wrote the ten commandments. It is a transcript of his character. Which is love. If you do not keep all ten of the commandments you do not love because they are a description of how you love.

1 John 5:3



"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

The sabbath is Saturday. It was made holy by Jesus when he created everything. And it is still holy. No where in the entire Bible did he change or do away with the sabbath. Period!!!

Exodus 20:11



"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

It's also found in genesis at the beginning before there was a jew.

It would be absurd to assume you may break the first four commandments but have to keep the last six. It's a package deal.

James 2:10



"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

So it is the keeping of the entire ten commandments that is love for God and your nieghbor.

Hello Curious T.,

No, I don't believe we're supposed to wear crosses. Leviticus 26:1, nowhere does it say wear a cross, as jewelry. However it does say not to make idols.

Recently I thought, if a person had a friend that was killed by gunshot & had a miraculous recovery. How would he feel, if when he returned to his friends & family, they had an image of the gun or bullet around their neck, to honor him. I would think it would be upsetting to say the least. Wouldn't he say, "your missing the main point." isn't it the life lived?Jesus himself being the example of a loving life, helping others in need? & the hope & promise of resurrection. John 5:21-29, 1Corinthians 15:42-58, John 11:25, Ecclesiastes 5:15, 1Timothy 6:7,

Bare your cross: Luke 14, looking at context, whole chapter Jesus in doing the better thing by healing, suffered rejection, hate, wrongful judgement.

A cross is painful, it's obvious, on view for everyone to see, not something we can hide in our pocket. It causes ridicule & even division. Luke 14:11, Luke 14:12-14, Luke 14:17-20,24, Luke 14:26,27, also Matthew 10, note Matthew 10:36, Matthew 10:17,18, Matthew 10:21, Matthew 10:22, please read in context Matthew 10, Matthew 10:32-42, & Luke 9:22-26, also Matthew 16:21-28, Mark 8:29-38, Mark 10:14-52,

Philippians 2:1-15, Colossians 1:10-29 ,

Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Joshua288, you are giving two different Scriptures here & they're different.

2 Corinthians 3:6: "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." If you have read further in this chapter, Paul writes about, "ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious...". This is what he is referring to: the letter of the Law was never designed to give Israel life (freedom of guilt, of penalty, of death & separation from God). The Law was given by God for many reasons, but ultimately we read what Paul wrote in Galatians 3:10-24, mainly that the Law never justified anyone, it couldn't because none could keep it perfectly. But the Law was given to show men their sinfulness & to draw him back to God, Who would one day save men (not by the keeping of the Law), but by having faith in Jesus His Son. So the letter of the Law will kill us sending us to hell, if we're dependent on it to save us. But the Spirit, the Holy Spirit gives the believer life now & into eternity, by virtue of Jesus' Death & Resurrection, & our believing this great act of Love. The letter of the Law could never do this. The Law was temporary, until Jesus came.

Then you quoted John 5:39, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." In this chapter, Jesus is speaking to the Jewish leaders who were wanting to kill Him ( John 5:18). Then Jesus speaks to them concerning what He was doing there & then about His Coming as the Son of God (vv18-24). He tells these leaders that 'they don't have God's Word in them because they refuse to believe in Jesus' (v38). And then He tells them, "Search the Scriptures", or 'you are diligently searching through the Scriptures, believing that eternal life is found in it' (this is from the original Greek). 'But these very Scriptures you read, bear witness of Me.' They failed to see Jesus' Coming in them.

You are right Jimbob but Jesus tells us search the scriptures in them you think you have eternal life but it is them that testify of me which is the Living word the H.G a living being that has to be born in us via his seeds that y he has to know us....Remember the letter, the written word is a killer.... 2 Cor. 3:6....God has made us able ministers of the new covenant not of the letter but of the Spirit....The letter is a killer....But the Spirit giveth life....But be carefull there are folks in this room that will tells you its the letter that gives life and the spirit is a killer....Stay away from the Spiritual revelation of the bible they say....gbu Jimbob....Remember Moses face shone with Glory when gave them the law (written words) ...But that Glory had to be done away with....As Jesus said my words are spirit and life....No eternal life in written words.... John 5:39...Search the scriptures in them you think you have eternal life....If we cd have had eternal life in the written word than Jesus shed his blood in vain...

Ani,

James 1:5,

Exodus 20, Exodus 31:12-17, note Exodus 31:16,17, Exodus 35:1-2, Leviticus 16:29-34, Leviticus 23, Leviticus 24:8,9,

Leviticus 25, Deuteronomy 5, Matthew 12, Matthew 28:1-9, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:52,53,54,56, John 19:31, Mark 1:21,

2Chronicles 36:20-21, Isaiah 58, Jeremiah 17, Amos 8, Matthew 25:31-46, Mark 3:4, John 5:10,16 hypocrisy & cruelty, John 7:22,23, Malachi 3:5,

Nehemiah 10:31, Nehemiah 13:14-27, Isaiah 56,

Colossians 2:16,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study & Bible Study.

Further insight on the intimate relationship betweeen God and His children.

In the life of Christ; we see the perfect example for our own lives; that is Christ doing nothing except the Father's will. ( John 5:19). We are likewise instructed to learn to do the "good and perfect will of God" as described at the end of Romans 12:2.

I would strongly urge everyone here to study and memorize Romans 12:1-2 as it is a "package deal" in regard to what I am saying here and of course; more importantly the will of God for our lives after we are saved and being sanctified. We are "aliens" in this world and pilgrims if we are His own ( 1 Peter 2:11-12). This requires due diligence to not only fight indwelling sin; but to realize that the whole world system and those "powers and principalities" running it ( Eph. 6:12) are enemies which we fight against as the Spirit contends against the flesh. Without understanding the source of our temptations which as belivers is Satan then we are unable to recognize things that are affecting our "vain imaginations" ( Romans 1:21) as with the rest of the unregenerate to find solace and comfort in this world and what is seen by our eyes and promoted as things that will make us content. The enemy can only affect us if we allow access through our mind and senses to give him a stronghold; so that is why we need to have an Ephesians 6 mindset. Ephesians 6:16 on the fiery darts of the enemy and our shield of armor in the spiritual realm is particularly vital.

Sadly we have the natural tendency to look on things that are pleasing to our eyes (such as attractive women) and thus we need to ask God to show us how following His good and perfect will means we are to love those we are naturally repulsed toward and to find our greatest joys in service toward His Body which He purchased with His own blood ( Acts 20:28). That verse makes it clear that it is His church rather than our own. That comes from a proper fear of the Lord and a mature walk.

Hi John Ray.

I'm sorry we missed your question!

I will try to refresh it with perhaps the verses you are referring to.

Please confirm if this is the scriptures you are referring to.

John 5:22-29.

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Looking forward to hearing from you. God bless.

Hello, Bible study,

My understanding they are part of each other. Obedience is dependent on our faith that we live by with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The first Adam broke the relationship and God's dwelling place in man when he was disobedient in eating from that tree. Faith can be measured through our obedience which is the visible expression of our faith.

The Bible says that Jesus learned obedience from what He suffered and was made perfect, Heb. 8:5. Jesus gave us perfect examples of being obedient He did nothing of His own it was the Father's will not His, Luke 4:18 John 5:30 John 14:10. When Jesus was in the garden just before He was taken, He asked the Father if there was a different way but not His will but the Father's, Luke 22:42 but Jesus was obedient unto death.

We cannot be saved by works; we cannot earn our salvation. Is being obedient considered works? My understanding is no. Obedience is not an option it is a command, we either obey or disobey like the first Adam. If we are obedient, we are dutiful and compliant to His commands.

Our faith, Heb.1:1 by the grace of God that we fully trust Him regardless of what we may face, not with our logic but with His, and the promises God has given us, our hope is not in this world but the eternal one that our hope is in, that with patience we wait and watch for to come.

May others word it better to help your study.

God bless,

RLW

J Vernon Mcgee.

Part 8

What is Christ doing today? Oh, I know, the saints like to say that He ascended to heaven and is sitting at God's right hand, but if you interpret that to mean that He is doing nothing, you miss it. He said, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" ( John 5:17). He is busy today. But what is He doing? He is the King, but He has been rejected. And since He has been rejected He has taken off His crown, He has put it to the side. He has taken off His royal robe and has put on the clothes of a farmer. He is sowing seed in the world today. Sowing seed is His business.

Now let's define that in spiritual terms. Let's translate it from agriculture to theology. What is He sowing? What is this seed that our Lord is sowing in the world? We do not have to guess. In Matthew 13:19 we read, "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom." What, then, is the seed? It is the Word. The Bible that I hold in my hand is the seed. And there is life in it. It is just as potent as any seed planted in the ground. The Word of God is seed.

What is the field where the seed is being sown? Matthew 13:38 gives the answer: "The field is the world." So now we have the sower identified, we have the seed identified, and we have the field identified. This is the picture of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Sower, taking the Word of God and sowing it in the world. That is His business today.

Again I want to remind you that the field is not the church, it is Christendom. The field is the world today.

See Part 9.

I would agree with your understanding of the Scriptures Eagan, on this matter. Though there are Scriptures that show that the one in Christ is eternally secure ( John 10:27-29; 1 John 5:13; Ephesians 1:13,14; 1 Peter 1:5; and many more), there are also many others verses that seem to show that salvation can be lost & one must work hard in their faith to ensure that they will make it to the end & be accepted.

So, when one considers ALL of the verses pertaining to this subject, somehow it has to be reconciled what Jesus or the other writers are actually saying. Just like whether the Rapture is pre, mid, post, or anything else, we can get into a similar problem. For this one, my underlying Truth is that the Great Tribulation is God's Judgement against the unbelieving Christ-rejecting world, therefore those in Christ will be saved from it.

For Eternal Security, the underlying Truth is the truly repentant soul has come in faith (& nothing else), been regenerated by the Holy Spirit, indwelt by Him, put on a new path towards Heaven, with the Mighty God and His Son being his all-consuming focus & passion & not the world. Can such a person ever be lost again - deciding, 'No, I prefer to follow the world & reject Christ?' We can never know how real another's salvation has been - nor should we ever place ourselves in that position of making such a judgement. Or, whether one's faith is being tested & some errors & backsliding are taking place - to which the Holy Spirit will move, alert, warn or chastise to bring him back. But the fact of the matter is, that 'the Lord knows who are His', He 'knows His sheep & His sheep hear His Voice', and His sheep will obey the Shepherd even if there has to be some stern words & goading.

Thus Galatians 5:22-25 are so important, especially "they THAT ARE Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." These are the marks of the one truly saved, living for Christ.

What a great testimony Ssmith82 and thank you for sharing what the Lord has done for you and can do when one comes to the end of oneself & cries unto the Lord for deliverance & healing. It is good that you are staying in God's Word & prayer as well as confessing Jesus to others. Satan can never stand against that but be ever prepared for his buffetting, for "we are not ignorant of his devices". Ephesians 6:11,12; 1 John 5:4,5.

That is a very interesting question; and I would have to agree with you.

The first issue here you brought up as to the role the Spirit is playing. It is part of the Godhead; Jesus said will He not give you more of the Spirit if you ask Him ( Luke 11:13) referring to asking the FATHER for the "good gifts". We can certainly praise God or Jesus for what comes from Him; thus involving through worship; singing and or prayer.

Another problem is whether the spirit being invoked is the Holy Spirit or some other thing that appeals to the flesh. If the Spirit is working then of course it reminds us of "sin; righteousness and judgment to come" ( John 16:8-11). We are thus to be humbled; and through that "sacrifice of praise" ( Heb. 13:15-16) then He is truly exalted.

This is tricky as the Holy Spirit is to be exalted and revered as part of the Godhead. As you pointed out though in Christ's life and scriptures this sort of activity (praying TO the Spirit or any other form of worship) didn't occur. The Spirit was His helper and is said to be ours. The SOURCE is always from heavenly places and proceeds from the Father. This is also the case with Christ who is to be worshipped Himself but also in the Godhead He did nothing of His own but did the "works of the Father"; John 5:19 actually makes it clear that He can do NOTHING of His own. Nonetheless God has raised Him up giving Him all authority (which He already had but it was made official). ( Matt. 28:18-20).

I will have to give this question further consideration; and may have further thoughts later on. I have a feeling there are some other pertinent points that need to be made and this could be a real discussion starter.

Agape; RIch P

Hello WhiteWalkDawg. There have been several interpretations of this verse, so you might get other views. For me though, I believe that 1 John 5:6 speaks of Jesus' inauguration to His Earthly Mission and then finally His completion of it. Therefore, the Water signifies His baptism by John, to which the Holy Spirit was witness, by His descent upon Jesus ( John 1:32,33). And the Blood signifies His shed Blood at the Cross, where Jesus said "it is finished...and gave up the Ghost" (or, released His Spirit), John 19:30.

So, not only in the Gospel of John, but also in this his first epistle, we read of the Holy Spirit's witness & involvement; which witness could not be disputed, unlike some in John's day who were trying to dispute the truth of Jesus' Person & Work. In 1 John 5:6, the Spirit of Truth bore witness to Jesus' start & completion of His Work. In 1 John 5:7, we read of the Triune God bearing record in Heaven, and then in verse 8 (on Earth), three bear witness to Jesus' Mission.

We do well to "receive the witness of men" & we are likely to be convinced. But "the witness of God is greater" (1 John 5:9), which must give us no room for any doubt & a certainty that all that Jesus has accomplished for us is fully accepted by those to whom the Spirit of God has been given.

In I John 5:6 what is the water, and what is the blood?

True love part 2

I would put a pitch in here for those searching to consider (after of course checking the validity) of online arranged marriages for Christians. That is a way to assure that we get to know the families ahead of time; and people are matched up with the wisdom of the temperments that the parents deem worthy for their daughters. It also avoids some of the silly dating and other situations that can lead to temptation; as well as getting down to business. It also is a good way to maintain Christian fellowship long term with families.

At least I can say with some confidence that it is better than many other "online" sites where people can photo shop their faces; or "reinvent" themselves to create whatever fantasy another may have to suit their purposes; or to find some way after a time to rip them off financially; etc. We also don't get a good idea of how valid someone's faith is in that way. Not to say that it can't work but I would take up my arranged marriage suggestion first before randomly looking for love on dating sites...

Of course what is well known by counsellors is that no one can "make you happy" if you are miserable within. only the Lord Jesus is transformative in the inner man; He is our confidence; our portion and our cup. ( Psalm 16:15; 1 John 5:14; Hebrews 10:35-36). Joy is a spiritual fruit and of course our faith in the Lord must take priority over everything and everyone. Psalm 37:3-4 asks us to TRUST in the Lord (take delight in Him) and He will give us the desires of our heart.

To find a partner we must trust that they will come alongside us in a time fitting with His plans. It should involve a help mate that will build us up as we fulfill the ministry or vocation He has called us in. I would venture to say normally we don't have to search at all but if we do it should be more like Genesis 24:1-10 when Abraham sent his servant out to find someone of his people for Isaac.

I pray that your son will be born again in Jesus name. By His grace.

And that the LORD will reveal His Will for him, and plant His desires

in his heart. And for His peace that passeth all understanding to

reside in your hearts.



Mat 6:33 kjv, 1 John 5:14 kjv.

Son of GOD, please read : John 3:16, Luke 1 & 2, John 17,

John 5:30, John 10:17, John 14:23, John 16:27,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18,19, 1John 2:26,27, Colossians 2:8,

Hopefully helpful