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My actions? When looking at John 6:53-58, I understand that Jesus is speaking to those who want to belong to Him. And so He uses the imagery of "eating His Flesh & drinking His Blood" signifying that to belong to Him, we must partake of His Life. When we do, we receive new life (v 53), eternal life (v 54), we dwell in Him & He in us (v 56 & Jn 14:23) & our life is by (through) Him (v 57).

RCs believe that we must actually eat Christ's flesh & blood = transubstantiation, (which they say, that the emblems mysteriously turn into) so as to partake in Jesus' Life. But in fact, Jesus spoke metaphorically, showing how that this intense & personal relationship with Him can be adequately viewed as partaking of His Person & enjoyment of His Being. And when we meet around the Lord's Table, we remember His death for us by taking of the emblems (symbols) of His broken Body & shed Blood (v 51) & this in turn speaks to us not only of His Sacrifice but also of our deep relationship we now enjoy 'in Christ'.

If you have been instructed saying "Go now and eat the flesh of the son of man and drink also his blood that you may have life in you" beloved what actions must you do?

Joseph,

1 Corinthians 10:3, John 6:27, John 6:51, 1 Peter 2:2, Hebrews 5:12-14 are just a few of many places. In John 4:32, after Jesus' disciples brought Him physical food, Jesus said "I have meat to eat that ye know not of."

I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, but Christians have somewhat many times, where you are physically hungry, and you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference. That physical hunger or physical thirst somehow just disappears!

The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting in John Chapter 4 is that the woman left her waterpot behind. Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.

Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression FELL, that he might go to his own place. (Jesus didn't fail but Judas fell)

John 15:6 If a man (abide not in me), he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (Jesus said this John 15)

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; (The angels were in heaven but were cast out.)

John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

this is a verse I included in my post today 6/1/2020 "The law of conservation of mass and energy stipulates, neither matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, but converted into another form. This is a proven law of science, and seen in the exploded atom. That tiny atom did not cease, it can be detected in another form for years. As in Latin, Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit , of nothing nothing comes. Hebrews 11:3 states, "through faith we understand that the worlds were formed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" .I get the impression that the universe was translated into this dimension from a place we do not see, maybe similar to how light exists beyond the spectrum we see with the human eye. Because all things were always someplace before they manifested here, it is possible to explain the feeling of deja'vu, and it could mean we were alive before we were born, and would explain how we do not die when our body dies. Hebrews 11:3 adds a different view to how we commonly conceive the creation story told in Genesis; taking into account words Jesus said in John 6:63 " the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." words describing can easily be mistaken. I recall 1st Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." Being hard headed or argumentative is not the best form of open mindedness. In religion alone, there are thousands of differing views. This shows how troublesome reality can seem. Our conscious awareness is described as having a beginning, a finite mind. As we grow and learn we understand the meaning of infinite, while being able to get a view of it is different from understanding the meaning of the word. This is why I love to go out on a clear night and look at the stars, and the space all around the stars. It is like a teacher to our understanding"

It is my prayer that all people will yield to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. God know the thoughts and intents of our hearts. Nothing is hid from Him and so many have their minds blinded by incorrect perceptions about who God is! God is Love. If we search for Him with all our heart and not for a doctrine to satisfy our own will, we will find HIM, the lover of our soul!

It's good that u read every now and then but you should read it often and not just one book. Daily Bible reading is a Christians way of growth. Here are some scripture references for you to look up that talk about the pow of God's word and what it can do for you when you read them often; Joshua 1:8, Matthew 4:4, Psalm 119:97, 2 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 3:14-17, Psalm 1:2-3, Acts 17:11, John 6:63, Hebrews 4:12, and Ephesians 6:17-20. May God work in your life and show you the importance of reading His word. God bless.

SC - You claim Jesus was a female? what?

Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the SON son of David, the son of Abraham.

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a SON son, and thou shalt call HIS his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the SON Son of God;

Luke 7:9 When Jesus heard these things, HE he marvelled at him,

John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the SON son of Joseph

1 Thessalonians 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at HIS his coming?

James I can not find the pre trib rapture either though many others say they do.

When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?

John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.

John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."

Is the LAST DAY the thousand year reign of Christ?

I believe so....then it is eternity and time is counted no more

So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?

Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?

In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.

Mishael Are the gifts and calling of God irrevocable?

Mark 6:7 And he (Jesus) called (unto him) the (including Judas) twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;

skip to Mark 6:13 And (the 12 apostles w/ Judas) they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them. (Judas was with the 12 doing these miracles and is his calling irrevocable?

John Chapter 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

John 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot [the son] of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Perdition means to fall

John 17:12 While I (Jesus)was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Judas was the son of perdition.

Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. (what place is Judas going to?)

Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Matthew 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Does this sound like Judas is still saved?

The Bible teaches both GOD,S sovereignty in electing sinners to salvation ( John 6:44, Romans 8:29 and Ephesians 1:4.and we are commanded to evangelize and spread the gospel( Matthew 28:16-20)Why evangelize if we are predestined?Because we were commanded to do so.I believe the gospel is Preached mostly to the believer anyway .Because the unbeliever does not want hear what you are saying any way.It is totally the work of GOD. There is away I believe,to embrace predestination,and election without having our hands bound by it,when it comes to evangelism.For scripture teaches both sovereign election and necessity of evangelizing.Paul addressed this issue in ( Romans 10:13-15).R.C.Sproul commented on that passage;GOD not only foreordains the end of salvation for the elect,He also foreordains the means to that end.We are called to share the gospel and to respond in faith and obedience.So you see evangelism is still necessary in light of GOD,S sovereignty in salvation for two reasons:(1)GOD has commanded us to do it.(2)This is GOD,s chosen means of advancing His kingdom on earth.We have that privilege of being used by GOD to accomplish HIS will.What a blessing to by to bless others with the words of the BREAD OF LIFE. The apostle Paul was sent by the LORD to preach the gospel to JEW and Gentile.That by hearing they might believe,and so call on the name of the LORD and be saved.But there can be no true calling upon GOD without faith no faith without hearing no hearing without preaching and no preaching without a divine calling.Every man calls upon the god he believed in.And those that do not believe in GOD and Christ do not call on them.How shall they believe in him whom they have not heard;meaning that there is no faith in Christ without hearing of Him.There may be believing without seeing,but not believing without hearing.

Hi Bob this is Ken I agree with you on the first two Commandments these are the Commandments of Christ The Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross as you are well aware of by the scriptures Jesus himself said not to put new wine into old wineskins he was referring to the age of Grace the church age in which we are living right now and if repent means to turn from sin then God is a sinner because he repented so many times I can't even count for everyone who wants to know that the Commandments of Christ are 1st John 4:21 and this is the Commandment we have from him that we he who loveth God loves his brother. 1st John 5

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, OUR FAITH......

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?

Revelation 2:11 he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the church is he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. We learn in 1st John 5 that the Overcomer is the one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ or believes is finished work what is his finished work? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them this is the work of God that you believe on him who he sent! And when he was talking to the church. And when he told the church in Revelation to repent he wanted them to come back to his first work ,which was to believe on Christ and go forth with that teaching! what they were doing as we have in this day and age and which you have presented is another gospel in which you mingle works with our faith Works cannot come until we have faith.

Our the jesus christ is my answer to questions

Hi Jeff,

I might be intruding in your conversation, and please accept my apology. But you have stirred my curiosity on something. You mention Judas walking away from his salvation. Someone else in another post said that Judas was a Christian. I have never heard anyone refer to Judas as being a Christian, or saved for that matter. In John 6:70, Jesus said have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Jesus did not choose Judas Iscariot to become evil. He chose him to be part of His ministry because he was evil, because the scriptures must be fulfilled that He be betrayed, And He can't be betrayed by one of His own. There has to be a demon in the camp! Judas was evil the entire time, and only Jesus knew it.

But I'm still impressed by how after three years, Jesus can announce to the disciples at the Last Supper that one of you will betray me, and none of the disciples knew who it was.

You would think that after three years, if Judas Iscariot is a demon, you would think that the others would have noticed something strange about him during that three year period and say "I knew there was something weird about that guy!"

But they didn't know. He talked like them, acted like them, and looked like them. They couldn't notice any difference over three years. You would think maybe over a month that he could deceive them for a whole month, but three years?

That is scary! That's why believers in the body of Christ, even in our day, in the last days, we must trust and go by the Word of God not by appearances.

Thank you for this explanation I am a firm believer that there is no rapture but only a second coming. John 6: 39-44 puts a nail in the coffin of preachers preaching the rapture

Followers of Christ, will always hear thing that we agree with and we will hear things that we don't agree with. If you believe in the Lord don't doubt, ask god.Every that we claim we are in Christ we have to accept as the truth. The truth is every word that preceded out of the mouth of god.

Greetings Tamara consider this about the resurrection.

In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!

If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!

Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.

Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!

When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?

John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.

John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."

Is the LAST DAY the start of thousand year reign of Christ?

I believe so....then it is eternity and time is counted no more

So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?

Lord. To whom would we go, you have the words that gives enteral life. & Now I believe and know that you are the Holy one who has come from God.

Scriptures on prophesy/ prophesying

(There's rules, people) First start in Ezekiel chapter 3:10-11, 17-27. Then 13:1-15. Notice the WOE on verse 3.

Acts 2:17-18; John 6:63; 1 Corinthians 2;12, 14:31, 14:1, 13:9, 12:4. Revelation 11:3; 1 John 4:3, Romans 12:4-7

Poor Ezekiel; he was sent to the House of Israel. Prophetic ministry is just as then. It's serious when you speak in the Name of the Lord. Anything spoken that is of the flesh...will not be confirmed. Be prayerful.

"Thus saith the Lord" is serious business.

Greetings Rod, Jesus had picked 12 apostles and Judas hung himself. There were then only 11 apostles.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

I fail to find in scripture where the Lord told the apostles to choose a replacement for Judas as recorded here. They did this act on their own accord with out being told to do this.

Acts Chapter 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

I am sure both of these men were faithful in the eyes of the 11, but still the Lord did not command them to do this thing. Saul / Paul however was a different story.

Acts 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Saul who became Paul was chosen of the Lord himself.

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

I have had people deny Paul as an apostle and in doing so they must deny the book of acts and the book of 2 Peter which confirms Paul as a brother in Christ. This is usually those who claim to be into "Hebrew roots"

I find it interesting Paul was a learned scholar and was sent to the unlearned uncircumcised "Gentiles"

and Peter an unlearned fisherman was sent to the learned Jews, who knew scriptures.

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; These things humble me greatly.

All glory to the Lord.

The first sin was disobedience. Genesis chapter 2 God told man what he can do and what he can not do and the consequences. Genesis 3 man disobeys God.

Watch Clint Walkers near death experience.

God's word is spirit and life Read John 6:63

(Part 3)

Not only is God is the sole source of salvation, but every saved person is kept by the power of God. Peter writes, in 1 Peter 1:5, that believers are, "The ones who are being kept in the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Paul writes on the same subject, in Galatians 5:17, "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are opposing to one another; in order that you should not do what you want." These scriptures show that believers cannot be taken away from Christ by the flesh, because the Spirit of God is dwelling within to prevent that from happening.

Jesus Himself said, in John 6:37, "All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and the one coming to me I will never cast out." He goes on to say in John 6:39, "And this is the will of the Father who has sent me, in order that of all which he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up in the last day."

Angela, people's salvation is the most important to me. Please let me share with you where I stand on salvation. I will have to break this up in order to explain my position. I am one of those that strongly believe that salvation cannot be lost. Emphasis on the ability to save has been shifted in recent years from God to man. As a result, the permanency of salvation has been called into question quite frequently. Many believe you can lose it, and many believe you can't.

For me, I have to ask myself who am I trusting? Am I trusting in myself to keep myself saved, or am I trusting God's promise to keep me saved? My salvation is based solely on God's Spirit coming into my spirit, causing me to become a new creation, a new person. My experience of regeneration by the Holy Spirit is an act of God, not of myself. I would have never came to Christ if God the Father did not first draw me to Him. The salvation process begins with God the Father ( John 6:44).

Gwen,

Jesus said in John 6:40, "And this is the will of Him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Everybody that the Father draws to Christ will come. And everybody that comes to the Son and receives Him, Jesus will not lose a single one.

2 Peter 3:9 says that the Lord is not willing that any should perish.

For those who receive Christ, what He expects from us is faithfulness. We are to humble ourselves before Him, submit to His will in our lives, and be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Jesus gave us the command deny ourselves, take up our cross daily, and follow Him. ( James 4:7-10, Romans 12:2, Matthew 16:24). Submitting ourselves to God's transformation process, and allowing Him to renew our minds through a continuous study of His word, is the acceptable, and perfect will of God for us. ( Romans 12:2).

Success is a simple matter that is repeated over and over again

What was the Miracle Of Astounding Proportions? - Matthew 14:15-21; Mark 6:35-44: Like 9:12-17; John 6:5-14. Jesus words in ( Matthew 14:16) carried a higher spiritual cogitation; He is the 'Bread of Life', therefore, the Body of Christ is to be fed regarding the Word of God. God has an order and method by which His heavenly Blessings are divinely distributed. Reading from verse 19 of Matthew 14: (He took, He blessed, He did break, and He gave to the Disciples - that is His order with Believers as well). One of the divine Principles of Breaking Limits is ALWAYS to give 'Thanks' (cf. John 6:11). It is from God whence all blessings come. We must ever seek His Face for leading an.

Sorry, Alex, but that is rank heresy. Jesus' words did not make them gods, that's similar to Mormonism or the Faith heresy's "little gods" theory and there is not one ounce of scriptural support for this. Not one. Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, the Son, the incarnation who through his life of perfect obedience obtained the merit we couldn't, and through his death and suffering took the punishment we deserve. Jesus obtained our SALVATION, not DEIFICATION. Eph 2:8-9, John 3:16-18, Romans 3. Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

But that's the thing, Biblical Salvation is contrary to your interpretation: John3:15-16 John3:18 John3:36 John5:24 John 6:40 John6:47 Acts16:31 and Acts10:43 are all verses that plainly explain how to be saved. There's no question, the Bible is clear that any who simply believe on Jesus has everlasting life. In fact, they clearly say we "receive the remission of sins" we "Shall not perish" we are "not condemned" and we "HAVE eternal life" all by believing on Jesus. Nowhere in any of these verses is Baptism mentioned as a requirement. Even in 1Corinth.15:3-4 the clearest definition of the Gospel doesn't even talk about Baptism. You have Gods word that you will be saved if you just believe.

No Baptism is not a requirement to be saved. We are told again and again in the Bible that the man who trusts in Christ has everlasting life immediately.
John 3:36 says:
"He that believeth on the Son HATH everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Same in John 5:24 and John 6:47. We are saved by grace well before we even touch the water.
And since grace means a free undeserved gift, any act or commitment intended to merit salvation is necessarily excluded ( Rom. 11:6). Understand all men are saved the same way, by believing on Jesus. That's why the thief on the cross could go to Heaven despite not being baptized.