Discuss John 6 Page 26

D.Gray note that JESUS CHRIST had twelve disciples but one was a devil.theres always one but they were all called by GOD to do a work.every body has a calling on there life but the thing is well you ANSWER your calling when it comes even if you have to give up money house land s and jobs by answering GOD S call on your life.will you do it or not this may take place after you answer the call of JESUS CHRIST ON YOUR LIFE.IF SO YOU ARE BLESSED BIG TIME KEEP GOING BECOUSE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS YOURS.note that you must be born fo water and spirit to inter the KINGDOM OF CHRIST some time you have to give it up to get it back. NOTE THAT WHEN YOUR CALLING COMES BY THE HOLY SPIRIT SAY YES LORD.BECOUSE YOUR NUMBER WILL COME UP LOVE YOU ALL PEACE.

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We are told what the SPIRIT is I don t see the problem it is plain from Jesus the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life So words live and the spirit in his WORDS are truth John 4 24 John 8 43 Why do you not understand my speech even because ye cannot hear my word

Protestants do not have this kind of teaching they are thinking worldly flesh There is nothing unclean about the Lord s flesh and blood because He is God For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed Remember He is pure undefiled He is God in the flesh When our Lord says Verily Verily he is saying Truly Truly Believing in Him is believing in His word Every spoken word This is Faith belief in this Holy Communion is the true test of a christian believer God will ask you what you thought of His son and did you take Him at His word will your answer be All but John chapter 6 it was too much I thought he meant spiritually Thou in me and I in thee Union with the Spirit alive in you Physcially literally spiritually figuratively on this our Lord is very specific and stresses over and over again that UNless you eat gnaw in the Hebrew the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood remember WHO HE IS GOD then you have NO LIFE in you Remember He s alive The True Bread of Life Manna from Heaven Spotless Lamb Undefiled Uncorrupted untouched by the flesh world He is our Holy God come down from Heaven to give us eternal Life in Heaven Don t break His heart again by thinking anything about God as impure This is your faith test HE TRULY TRULY IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS

Jesus said that the flesh profiteth nothing because some of His disciples were thinking of this world fleshly thoughts re His body and blood But Jesus as God the Son who would soon ascend up to God the Father and be glorified was trying to still convince some of the disgusted disbelieving disciiples who He was He went on to say that it is the Spirit that quickeneth makes alive He is speaking of the Holy Spirit He further clarifies that the words that He speaks ARE SPIRIT and THEY ARE LIFE Those words again are This is MY Body and This is MY BLOOD Believing in the faith that is in Jesus Christ and who He says He is God the Son those spoken words over the bread and wine by faith truly become what Jesus the Son of God said that they are This is Faith believing in the spoken words of Christ Every word

The meaning of Thou hast the words of eternal life is when The Savior appears to you and tells you that you now have eternal life see 2nd Peter 1 10

Initially they could not underscore the words of christ in its real fashion this is hard saying who can hear them they were not new born babies that desire the sincere milk of the world But they among those that follow christ from the feeding with the five loaves To me their God is their belly they thus stumble at the stumbling block and went back to the things they left behind Nevertheless he destroy them not because of his holy covenant which he made with his faithful abraham

This passage clearly shows the true heart of Men most people seek Christ only in time of need and for what they can get from him Verse26 Jesus answered them ye seek not because ye saw miracle but because ye eat the bread and was filled he went further to advice them not seek for earthly satisfaction but rather the kingdom of God There was so much doubt and fear in them because they see his teachings as that which is against their law but behold Christ read their mind What I can say is that one should follow Christ with all his heart let one not seek for him only in time of need but to live by his words he already knows our need and his always there for us

I believe that this verse says a lot: To me; the things that the world has to offer leaves you wanting more and more; therefore more thirsty and hungry(in spirit ,soul, and, body). When we come to Jesus and allow Him to fill that hunger and thirst with what He has: I will not hunger and thirst for that which does not meet what I thought would fill my hunger and thirst from what the world and/or the devil has to offer. The devil:death. Jesus Life ,Peace, Love, Security.

The Holy Eucharist is the food for our souls which gives it life. Our Lord Jesus explains it like crystal clear water, but sadly so many of us cannot grasp its true meaning. Glory and Praise to Almighty God.....forever. Amen.

Studying the word of God and taking the Holy Communion is a prove of eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus.As we do this often,we will hav the strength,nature and live the life He lived while He was on earth.

This is the great chain of salvation:

Only one who is drawn by the Father can come to the Son. He who is drawn by the Father is saved by the Son.(raised up on the last day.)It is clear from the verse that this raising on the last day is unconditional, therefore infallible.

This verse is the absolute refutation of Arminianism, but note how the Arminians handle this verse:
--Westley simply ignores the second part of the verse, "and I will raise him up on the last day."
--The same with the "People's Bible." The Peoples Bible goes further and adds words to the Bible: "If our will consents."

Adding to the text what isn't there is a grave sin. Beware!

Arminians should find it unsettling that Jesus is a Calvinist...

(Verse 48) "And (you Lord) rescues me from my enemies. You hold me safe from violent opponents."

The enemy of man is sin. It has always been our enemy. This means that David is talking about God as Jesus, who saves us from sin by his death on the cross. Let's say it this way. David was a prophet looking into the future and seeing Jesus as our Savior. He saw Jesus as Paul saw him in Titus 2:13, "Our great God and Savior." And he pictured what Jesus would say in John 6:39, "But the Scriptures point to me."

Jesus further said to two of his followers in Luke 24:25-26, "You are such foolish people! You find it so hard to believe all that the prophets wrote in the Scriptures. Wasn't it clearly predicted by the prophets that the Christ would have to suffer all these things before entering his time of glory?" Verse 27 reads: "Then Jesus quoted passages from the writings in Moses and all the prophets, explaining what all the Scriptures said about himself."

Yes, the Psalms are about Jesus!

God blesses those who understand!

Many times we tend to seek for Jesus only for fringe benefits not for what He is or what He has come for. This is why Jesus rebuked them for their wrong motive. But seek ye first the kingdom of God,and his righteousness,and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33. Many only remember God when they are need, once the need is solved no more God or prayer. Seek God for your soul to be saved first, then other things come next.

Chapter 6 is full of miracles. Walking on water, multiplication of loaves and His flesh for us to eat. Hard to believe because many walked with him no more. John 6:66 Its interesting that he also wrote Rev 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (666)

Jesus was clearly preparing Himself and His
followers for the conclusion of His mission on earth.. Prophecy foretold exactly his purpose.
He came to earth fully man yet fully God showed us how we should live and love.

He was the perfection that we could never be.
So He who was perfect willingly died for we who are imperfect.

Less we forget the agony and cruelty of His suffering for us.

Jesus said: take eat for this is my body which is broken for you and likewise He took the cup and said drink you all of this for this is my blood of the new covenant which is poured out for you and as often as you do this do so in rememberance of me.

Thank you Jesus

We are to observe the Lord's supper in that we continually ingest Christ into our lives and being. We are to allow Him to take over our lives by surrendering all to Him and allowing Him to work through us. We are the vessels but He is the one controlling and using the vessel for His purpose so that we show forth Him to others. Others see Him and not us even to the point that a stranger can walk up to us and say, "You are a Christian aren't you"? We should show forth that much difference that our very appearance shines Christ to others w/o a word spoken. We must decrease and He must increase. We have to empty ourselves of us and allow the Holy Spirit to fill us for the glory of God.

John 15:5 FOR WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING.
He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.

John 15:4 No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither CAN YOU BEAR FRUITS UNLESS YOU REMAIN IN ME.

GOD CREATED US FOR HIS PLEASURE AND HIS JOY AND HIS PURPOSE. GOD IS HIGHLY HAPPILY GLORIFIED IF HUMAN BEING WILL FUNCTION FOR THE PURPOPOSE FOR WHICH HE HAD CREATED US. When the revelation about Jeremiah 10;23 was given me, I woke up from sleep and started to examine my self. The prophesy is all about Christ Jesus
John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
Revelation 4;11
King James Bible
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Those who do the will of my Father are who do the works of God. God doesnt expect us to be obedient but to believe in the one whom He sent ( John 6:28-29)

This clearly says: Why be ashamed of things that are now dead? Reason: You are a new man!! Not the old one. Upon being "Born again" old things have passed away and ended with the flesh. Dead INDEED to sin AND? That's right now. ( Romans 6:11 confirms this.) Romans 6:5 even incredibly says we are like Christ at resurrection!! Amazing. Anyone who thinks we or he/she could fail better ponder LOTS more before denying Jesus's gift to all the Father sent him. Serious business. He won't lose any of them you know. ( John 6:39) The Pharisees did this. Trying to hold even Jesus accountable to the Law which justifies NO ONE. Note we are under GRACE not law after being saved. Do not be a foolish Galatian ( Galatians 3:1-2). Praise the Lord. GOOD news. Best ever. Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am in God and God is in me. My beggars bowl is empty, my cup is dry.

John's words move us, allow our hearts to grow closer to God, as they were given to him through the power of the Holy Spirit.

@Ock

These were all meant by Our Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 26:27-28 and Mark 14:22-24 based on the meaning of the BREAD and BLOOD in John 6:35:
"TAKE" this "COMING TO ME AND YOU SHALL NEVER HUNGER"... "DRINK" this "BELIEVING ON ME AND YOU SHALL NEVER THIRST"... now, the breaking of bread and the drinking in a cup in Luke 22:19-20 are for "REMEMBRANCE" of those He said.

SINCE: ALL THOSE who "HEARD" (the teaching of the GOSPEL) and were "BAPTIZED" (in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost) in "ALL NATIONS" are now "SCATTERED" all over the world, THEREFORE: the only way to determine IF THE SPIRIT of the PASTOR or TEACHER or MINISTER is OF GOD, He MUST be among those who "OBSERVE all things WHATSOEVER" that Jesus Commanded. IF HE PREACH AND BAPTIZE the SAME way as, THEN: HE IS AMONG THE "SENT" to "PREACH" the "GOSPEL of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN".......OTHERWISE: ANOTHER SPIRIT HAS SENT HIM TO PREACH ANOTHER KINGDOM as it is written in 1- John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world".

@Rosalina

I assume you are referring to the Last Supper ? Lets read what those present had to say about what Jesus said at the Last Supper.....

Matthew 26:27-28 He said, "All of you drink of this; FOR THIS IS MY BLOOD OF THE NEW COVENANT, WHICH IS BEING SHED FOR MANY UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS."
Mark 14:22-24, "Take; THIS IS MY BODY", and "THIS IS MY BLOOD OF THE NEW COVENANT, WHICH IS BEING SHED FOR MANY."
Luke 22:19-20, "THIS IS MY BODY, WHICH IS BEING GIVEN FOR YOU; DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME", and "THIS CUP IS THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD, WHICH SHALL BE SHED FOR YOU."
I agree with you Rosalina that the bread and wine are symbolic for you in that, your church and minister have no Apostalic Authority (alredy discussed )and cannot perform Consecration. So yes, for you it would only be a symbol.

@Ock

The summary of all I discussed here is that, JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD "VIVIDLY" EXPLAINED ALL THE "SPIRITUAL" meaning of the "material": breaking of bread and drinking in a cup and also of the flesh and blood.

@Ock

"Breaking of bread and drinking" by Apostles and Disciples is ANOTHER topic from the one which I discussed from John 6 regarding the "spiritual bread and drink", which is, "to come to him and to believe on him" that was represented by the "material flesh and blood" of our Lord Jesus Christ.. The PURPOSE of the "breaking" of the unleavened bread as HE said was for "IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME" and the PURPOSE of "to drink" in a "CUP" also as HE said was for in remembrance of the "NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD" ( Luke 22:19-2). SINCE: the BREAD is "TO COME TO ME AND YOU SHALL NEVER HUNGER" and the BLOOD is "TO BELIEVE ON ME AND YOU SHALL NEVER THIRST" ( John 6:35) THEREFORE: What HE meant to say was, [Do the breaking of bread in remembrance of that "YOU WHO CAME TO ME, SHALL NEVER HUNGER"] and likewise [Do the drinking in a cup in remembrance of the new testament that "YOU WHO BELIEVED ON ME, SHALL NEVER THIRST"]

@Rosalina

St. Paul explained clearly what "breaking bread" meant. 1 Cor 10:16 "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the Blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the Body of Christ?" St. Paul continued, 1 Cor 11:27 "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the Body and Blood of the Lord." St. Paul in these words confirmed Catholic teaching that the "bread … of the Lord" is truly Christ's Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, and that the "cup of the Lord" is the same substance: "Whoever … eats the bread or drinks the cup … will be guilty of profaning the Body and Blood of the Lord."

@OCK

Those who "walked away" THOUGHT of the "LITERAL" FLESH AND BLOOD of Jesus which they cannot accept to eat and drink. BUT the "disciples and apostles" did not walk away because they fully understood that Jesus was talking about HIS "SPIRITUAL FLESH AND BLOOD" and that was to "COME to HIM" and to "BELIEVE on HIM".

cont
6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
the Jews were well aware of the laws against the consumption of blood. They understood Jesus was speaking literally, if not why would they walk away??? and why would Jesus let them walk away if they misunderstood Him ???

Rosalina read on

6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the "BREAD" that I will give "IS MY FLESH", which I will give for the life of the world.
6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Jesus was not speaking about His flesh. Consider this, is the flesh of Jesus of no profit? What about His Incarnation ?How could he speak about his own flesh profiting nothing when he just said over and over ( John 6:51 etc)that His flesh is the life of the world just before telling them it profits nothing ? If Jesus was talking about his own flesh when He said the flesh profits nothing, then he would be contradicting Himself ! Jesus declares approx. 10x in John6 the need to eat his flesh and drink his blood and never once indicates his meaning is not literal. By emphasizing to them that what He said about His flesh & blood is "spirit & life" Jesus was dispelling the notion that all they should be concerned with is having flesh to eat for physical life