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HOW DO WE CALCULATE Jesus time of his ministry ? and how could his brothers not have seen his life events , there is nothing written about Jesus from the time he was 12 years od , until he was baptized by John the Baptist . or have I missed something ?

That is an impossible question. :) You hit it on the head - EVERY Word that proceeds from the mouth of Christ is precious, valuable, Spirit and life!

As I considered your request, I couldn't help but to sadly consider that I, for one, far to often, speak lots of things that are unimportant or unwise. Thanks be to God, I sometimes speak some good things as well. From us weak humans, there is always a mixture of good speech and not-so-good speech.

But our Jesus constantly speaks rich words, true words, right words, wise words; His words were and are sincere milk for babes and meat for the strong! His words instruct, correct, encourage, admonish, exhort; His Word are spoken to a purpose and are always pertinent and to the point. His words set the captives free! His words invite the penitent and strike terror in the proud! Christ's words are tender enough to support a broken reed, and strong enough to pierce stubborn, rocky hearts! Books can be written on the glories of the words of Christ. They are all wonderful, just as He Who speaks them is Wonderful!

Let us love, cherish, and study and obey each and every one that The Lord has graciously given us. They are His love letter to us.

Never a man spake like this man (Jesus); according to You what is Jesus' gratest statement; though every Word of Him proceed from the mouth of GOD

Dear beloved "Marie Fair", there are no Angels coming from heaven to lead any of us into the jungle or the forest or to the mountains. This is nonsense. Do not follow them dear ones, but stop by here on the web. As long as we have the opportunity without and put our names on any contract. And learn the Word of God every day, fill yourself with Him who can fill everything in everyone. Ephesians 1:23

But the people of the righteous God in Jesus name will join in the fight against the evil one and his evil spirit army. In a way, we are already in it when we pray and do His will. Ephesians 6:13-18

John 7:17

Be blessed in His holy Name jesus, love u in Christ.

Not sure who had answered & given scripture, but hopefully I can help.

Matthew 8,

Matthew 8:4, 1st "Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man;" why._._ Mark 5:24, Mark 3:7-10, John 6:15, John 7:3-8, John 6:2,26, John 12:37,

2nd part of Matthew 8:4, gift to the priests Moses commanded, Leviticus 13,

3rd part of Matthew 8:4 for a testimony to them, prophecy fulfilling, Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, Job 14:7, Isaiah 11:1, Zechariah 3:8-9, Jeremiah 33:15, John 15:4,

Matthew 8:11-12 = Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 2:2, Matthew 27:11, Romans 1:6,

Matthew 8:17, Isaiah 53,

Matthew 8:22, Luke 20:38,

Matthew 8:24-27, Luke 8:22-25,

Matthew 8:28-34, Mark 5:1-20, Luke 8:27-39,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hi "Ruth" all answer is right, a personal experience here, i did not know where i stood. I wandered here and there, and unfortunately i also followed the spirit of the times in this world, the antichrist.

Because since we that time still where "children", we have every right not to know everything, every right to ask, explore, learn and so on. We still do Everyday. 2 Thessalonians 1:12 Acts 8:16

But when the Spirit in us awakens, we will no longer go around making mistakes. The Holy Spirit helps us if we let Him lead us where we do belongs. Namely with God in our Spirit where we can find strength, courage and forgiveness Spirit and the Spirit of love. And everything else good is there.

That Spirit makes us living Sources who speak right and do right because we believe in Jesus Christ Is the Son of God. Nor will the Holy Spirit ever stop and give us words in our mouths to preach about Jesus Christ. John 7:38

So when i walked around there in the dark before God found me. I did not have this Source because i was not filled with the Holy Spirit.

But here we come to something central and important. All God gives us is Grace over Grace. Because when i look back on my life without Him and my life with Him, i understand that i have been under Grace because He has been with me from the first day of my life.

Because when we are lost or confused, we can not even say the Lord Jesus name. Only if we are in the Holy Spirit can we say that.

1 Corinthians 12:3

At this stage i am also comforted since He has been so gracious to me. I want to believe that He is just as gracious with everyone else. When we can not say Jesus Christ from our mouths if we are not in the Holy Spirit. So i hear people say Jesus Christ with their mouths, is not it a confession in a way? Therefore, i attribute these people to the Lord. And He saves them to Himself after His will, i'm moving on. Hallelujah the Lord is near. Acts 8-9 Chapter. God bless us in Jesus Christ.

Psalms 9:10, Psalms 18:2,30, Psalms 56:3, Psalms 71:5, Isaiah 12:2, our trust & hope should ultimately be in GOD

* Psalms 118:8, * Jeremiah 9:4, * Micah 7:5,6, Luke 12:52, Psalms 27:10, Ephesian 6:2,3, Proverbs 23:22, people even most dear can betray, abandon, abuse etc. There was much abuse, betrayal, within King David's family & those he served. 1Samuel 21, 2Samuel 15, Saul his King, his children, wife, etc. Starting with his calling, 1Samuel 16:5-11,

Psalms 20:7,

Psalms 62:2,5,8, 2Samuel 22:3,31,

Job 4:17-21,

Psalms 17:7, Psalms 25:2, Psalms 31:19,

Psalms 40:4, Psalms 44:6, Psalms 49:6,7,

Luke 14:26, trust GOD 1st & only yet honor them, this may be when there is contradiction to GOD's will & commandments. Even Jesus faced those struggles with earthly parents & family. Mark 3:20,21, Mark 3:31-35, John 7:3-5, Luke 2:42-52,

Hopefully these are helpful.

Hi Alex N; So our theology does not agree, OK, but at least we agree in the kingdom, I see it as having three names; of heaven, of God, of Christ. Three manifestations 1. inwardly 2. outwardly as governments 3. New Jerusalem Finally three dispensations, #1 from the time Christ died until he the midnight hour #2 From the midnight hour, until the end of the millennium. #3 From the end of the millennium, into eternity. Yet you see the one kingdom as only coming at his second coming, also you mention Israel, as though they had something to do with the kingdom of God, but this is not so, the kingdom was taken from them in parables and given to a nation that would bring forth the fruits thereof. I struggle with your thought that we as Christians must bring forth the Holy Ghost as the man child, as I have informed you he is not the man child, the overcomer as a Christian is the man child, just compare Rev. 12:5-6 to Rev. 2:26-27 There you discover the one who rules the nations with the rod of iron are Christians who overcame, as I said earlier they are called the sons of God, being male in gender and referred unto as the man child. Once again; you refer unto the baptism of the Holy Ghost, which is a conditional promise according to John 7:37-39 for anyone who thirsts, they must go to Christ and drink, three conditions are laid upon Christians seeking this baptism, first the thirst, second coming to Christ and third drinking, although not necessarily in that order. Yet you are right about the bible stating there is only one kingdom, but this has three names, three manifestations and three dispensations, concerning that one kingdom. Please remember, the millennial kingdom and the New Jerusalem kingdom are offered unto all Christians, but not all Christians will inherit them, as you must have faith with works, meeting the conditions specified by the Lord Jesus and the apostles, to be able to enter the second and third dispensation of the kingdom.

This is my name.

It's alright if you don't wish to respond to me, which ever the reasons may be. Please read: John 19:28, 1 Peter 1:20,

John 19:36, prophetic fulfilled by Isaiah the same Prophet that declares GOD's recompense, vengeance, punishment. Romans 11:2,

Luke 4:18,19, Isaiah 53, Luke 4:23-27, Galatians 3:8, Acts 8:32, Mark 15:28, Psalms 22, John 19,

John 19:37, John 20:9, 2 Timothy 3:16, Mark 12:10, John 13:18, John 7:42, John 17:12,

Luke 8:28

Jude 1,

Matthew 25:31-46,

Hi Adam

I'm not interested in what you belief but I am interested in what the true belief is according to the word of God. If you are interested I am willing to discuss with you according to the scriptures. I realize this can be a very touchy subject but I believe it is very important to have a true understanding about God.

You mentioned about the word Bible and the word trinity and that neither of them is mentioned in the book we call the Bible. The word Bible is describing a book that we believe God is the author of where the word trinity is describing God. These are two totally different things. There are probably a number of things we could call the book that is called the Bible. But I think we would be in agreement as concerning of the book we call the Bible. The thing is that if the author didn't use the word trinity to describe himself we need to be very careful using words that he didn't use. I agree that just because something isn't in the bible doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. I believe there is a unity in the bible which involves not only God and Jesus Christ but all true believers.

One of the passages you used is 1 John 5:7 This passage is not used in later versions. Why? But for argument sake lets say it should be there. What is it actually saying? They are one. One in thought and one in action. Jesus did exactly as his father wanted him to do. That verse in itself is not enough to prove what you are saying. It proves unity between the father and the son. John 1:1 again proves that Jesus did everything his father wanted him to do. The verses in Genesis shows God and his angels at work in the creation and John 10:30 again shows the unity between The Lord Jesus Christ and God. I would go one but I'm running out of space. I'd like to show you a few passages to consider.

1 Tim 2:5, John 5:19,30 John 7:16, John 12:49

Thanks for your time

Genesis 2:2-3 , Ezekiel 46:1, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 6:1, Luke 13:10,

Isaiah 58:1-14, Exodus 20:8, Exodus 20:10-11,

Exodus 31:13,14,16, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 23:1-8, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2, Leviticus 25:4, Leviticus 25:17, Jeremiah 17:19-27, Lamentations 1:1-7, Isaiah 1:11-17, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 22:26,

Amos 8:4-8, Mark 2:27,

Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:1-27, Mark 3:1-11, Luke 6:6-11, Luke 13:11-17, Luke 14:3-6, Luke 14:12-24, Luke 23:3-56, John 5:1-16, John 7:22-24,

Colossians 2:8-17,

James 2:1-26

Luke 21:1-4, Mark 12:38-44,

Luke 21:1-3

God bless Carol Mark 12: 40-44 The point was sha gave what she had from the Heart in private as,

in contrast to putting on a self righteous show or look at what I'm giving. Totally different heart!

I wanted to find the verse, where Jesus was telling the disciples that the widow's

mite was all she had and the others gave from the overflow.

Could you please tell me where in the new testament the deciplws were asking jesus about tithes were being paid in the synagog especially what jesus said about the womans mite.

Hi Sister GiGi.

WOW! I hate I ran across this!

I NEVER followed any of this promoted by the media to divide. Not only Racial but right or wrong.

Here's the issue I have here.

We will never know the intent.

No one is perfect so I have to ask this question when I see a supposed spiritually wise and mature in the faith Christian engage so deeply in something so out of hand like this. Would you preach that from behind the pulpit in front of your mixed congregation and follow it with

John 7:24.

2 Timothy 2:4.

My second question to you would be would you go through all that trouble of investigating if that High, covid, black, drug atic would have killed the cop?

By what you have said you seem to be more influenced by the public pushing for a guilty plea for a cop killing a black man than than for righteous Judgement.

I honestly have never said or followed any of this on this case or any other like this. Because of the carnaliy exposed by it.

once before you said you was concerned who might be on this site and here certain things. Is that concern for everyone if you know what I mean.

God bless and

Good night.

I think you're spot on Brother Chris.

I believe worldly situations like this brings clarity to what's in the scripture. The Lord says it will be days like this.

It is sad the focus was never on a cop and perpetrator. It immediately became a raciial argument It was horrible to see the Church was even divided by this!

As you said We have a righteous judge in heaven who judges the intent and deep thoughts of man.

Intent thoughts is not visible. So we judge by eye witness. Whether this guy was high on drugs or not apparently he was coherent enough to know what he was saying when he said he can't breathe.

I've never followed on this case or any of the others because it was to racially partial.

I'm disappointed to see this come up here!

I'm sorry but I had to respond.

It reminds me of verse John 7:24.

Bro Dan You cannot walk by the spirit and throw the commandments aside because the walk by the spirit

includes the greatest commandment. Walk in Love The rest your speaking of is stated in Hebrews 4 whole chapter, our rest

is in the completed work of Jesus Christ and following that work in our walk. The example used is the children

of Israel in the wilderness who copped out everyday i.e. quit believing or were dishonest in their hearts. Daily

is the choice believe the Word or the World. Paul said to imitate Him as he imitates Christ, It Is Written!

Hi Sister GiGi,

You make some very valid points and I basically agree with the flexible aspects that you presented. God will look at our hearts, and will weigh our sincerity directed at His 4th commandment.

I think the main thing that we need to remember is the Sabbath Day is for mankind to rest. Many people today don't know how to rest. There are a multitude of blessings that God's gives us for following this particular commandment.

I know that you agree that it is good, and my main focus was to emphasize that the Sabbath is not bad - but good!

God Bless

Hi Bro Rick,

Thanks for all of your feedback, and you make some good valid points.

I understand and agree that we should walk in Christ 24/7. But, I also believe we should take God's commandments to heart. If we actually have the Spirit we really should be. It is helpful, to also keep God's commandments front and center in our minds and in our hearts, so that as we walk with the Spirit we can confirm that we are really following what we think we are, and have not fooled ourselves, or slipped away.

All of God's commandments are good, and so talking about them and stressing them, focusing on them is helpful. To just throw them aside and say "Hey I'm walking in the Spirit, and everything I'm doing is just great, and God approves of me" can become problematic.

Lastly, I truly believe that God commandments/Law keeps us grounded and focused on the prize!

God Bless

Dear rick and Bro Dan.

I agree that Jesus honored the Sabbath commandment in a perfect way, not like the religious leaders did. These leaders were more concerned about outwards actions to be strictly done by rote observance but not from the heart. It is like giving God "lip service" when we pray.

I also agree, that the Sabbath is good. But how do we know exactly what day is the true Sabbath established that day in Genesis in the year (what)? We really do not know this because we do not know the exact date of the first Sabbath. It could have been our Wednesday in our calendar or any other day. But , traditionally, it has been Saturday according to the calendar that was put into effect many centuries ago after Jesus lived on earth. How do we know that our calendar is correct? We do not. But in our time, Saturday is the 7th day. For many, this can be a Sabbath Day for them. Since the Scripture does not say we have to attend worship services on the Sabbath, (or any day), services on Sunday or Wednesday or any other day do not violate the Sabbath commandment. Those who wish to keep Saturday as a Sabbath and attend services on Sunday are being obedient to Scripture. Those who view Sunday as a Sabbath day and attend services are being obedient to the Scripture, and those who treat every day as a Sabbath are being obedient to Scripture. Each person is to prayerfully follow the lead of the Holy Spirit on this. It is one of those areas where, I believe, there can be differences.

As others have stated, living for God 24/7 as much as we are able to do is our attempts to keep the Sabbath holy, as has been pointed out by some. But we will never keep the Sabbath perfectly in this life as Jesus did. He always did the will of the Father. That is why we rest in the finished work of Jesus.

Bro Dan By the way if I didn't quite communicate correctly that's the first mistake I made today, and

if you believe that they put screen doors in submarines. LOL

Hi Bro Dan He condemned the way the religious leaders at the time used the sabbath to there advantage

making the commandments of God of no effect by there traditions which was false doctrine that overtime they

made their traditions. Mathew 15:1-9. These same guys broke there law and had a trial at night behind

closed doors against Jesus Christ and the same evil hypocrites made sure our passover was down from the

cross so they could be CLEAN to celebrate the passover. So blind they didn't know they sacrificed the

passover of eternity our Lord and Saviour.

They constantly went against love joy peace meekness mercy instead do it our way or else

that's the epitome of man made religion. It's better known as Self Righteousness. They hated Jesus Christ

because he hit them right where they lived!

Hi Bro Dan I will rephrase he condemned the what the religious leaders were using Gods commandment to

to accomplish self righteousness don't do any work on the sabbath which means don't heal anybody

That's what I'm talking about, in our day and time some people say the sabbath is saturday some say sunday

the idea is our rest is in the believing of what was accomplished by Jesus Christ spiritually which fulfills the

law. The law was our schoolmaster until Christ Galatians 3:21-29 if someone declares that if I by occupation

or choose to go to a fellowship in a house and not a building with a steeple and cross does that make me

a sinner? My bible says the church are the people eklesia which is a gathering of people who come together

for one common purpose ours is to worship and love God. We who walk by the spirit fulfill the law.

Bro Rick,

You are incorrect. Jesus didn't condemn the Sabbath. He condemned the Pharisees for the overly strict interpretation of the Laws, including the Sabbath. Let's get it right! Jesus and the apostles always kept the Sabbath Day as did the church in the 1st century.

Jesus or JC as you call him, observed the Sabbath, and he showed us by example that we could help others on the Sabbath. So, Jesus always leads by example.

Jesus said: Luke 6:5

"And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Why would Jesus want to be Lord of something that is bad?

You seem to insinuate that the Sabbath is a bad thing. It is a gift that God gave to man. He created us, and he knows that we need rest from working. God also tells us specifically 'To Remember to keep holy the Sabbath".

It's called being obedient to God, something mankind does not like to do.

God Bless

Interesting conversation here concerning keeping the Sabbath. I think it is important to have a time to rest from work. In our society today, we do have time to do this more than any other time in history. When people had to work all of the time, morning to night, to provide for their families, they did not have much "free" time. We have oodles of it, hence we have so many "leisure" activities (sports, hobbies, clubs, etc.) to engage in today. I do not read in the Genesis account exactly what we are to do on a Sabbath day except to rest from work.

Hebrews speak of a rest that is in God. Perhaps that is what God is speaking about when He commanded the keeping of the Sabbath as "holy" (set apart for God). I think that living as one set apart by God through conversion is keeping the rest of God.

Hi Corine I believe the idea from the time of Adam and Eve was to worship or love God twenty four seven

the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath also everyday for believers is the Lords Day. The

original sabbath was saturday which is als other day Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

Hi Corine That's what happens when the traditions of men turns into false doctrine that's taught as true.

I know some one with the initials J.C. who dealt with it all the time and condemned it.

You're right Corine, Sabbath was never on a Sunday. And you know what, the Sabbath is still not Sunday, even today. The seventh day has always been what we now refer to as Saturday. The Sabbath was instituted by God that His people, Israel, might set aside a day of rest, even as He rested (or, ceased from all His creative Work) on the seventh day & God sanctified it. So, if you or anyone want to keep Saturday as your rest day, no one should stop you.

Believers who worship on a Sunday (what we term as the Lord's Day - the Day of His Resurrection) ought not to regard Sunday as a Sabbath; it's a day set aside to come together & worship the Lord. They might also choose to rest, not work, or minister to others on that day, but we can't change the Sabbath to a Sunday. A Jew or any person who wants to observe Saturday as Sabbath & feels that disobeying that command puts him/her/others in a precarious position before God, also needs to observe the other commandments, statutes, precepts & laws to the letter. As James reminded us & wrote, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend (or, fail to do) in one point, he is guilty of all." ( James 2:10). And brother Earl has also explained this very well.