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Genesis 1:26, "let them" & please note "dominion over fish of the Sea" so why would he put 1 man 1 woman into a garden HE made after HE told them to take dominion? If you read with Wisdom from GOD as given by asking GOD: James 1:5, You will find GOD is the same yesterday today & forever, Hebrews 13:8, Numbers 23:19, Titus 1:2, GOD does not lie nor tempt people to sin: James 1:13, 1Samuel 15:29, never said that was ok, it's contrary: Leviticus 20:17, Therefore understanding GOD's nature read again. Genesis 1:26-29, Genesis 2:7-8, Notice there is distinction between formed here. The Garden may be representative of the Church notice also the command given to the 'man Gen 1:27-28, yet this man was left alone, Gen 2:15-23, Explain Gen 4:14-25, without other people. Please also ask yourself honestly: would parents actually give a daughter to a murderer? It really takes more fake faith to believe the lies of perversion! Those lies have no scripture support!

2Thessalonians 2:10-12, Colossians 2:8, Even to the ' religious authority ' Jesus had to rebuke: John 8:44,

Keep reading The WORD, keep seeking truth GOD loves those that seek HIM Deuteronomy 4:29, 3John 1:3, John 17:17, Zechariah 8:16,

Hopefully these are helpful in your searching for truth

2 Chronicles 25:7-8, Matthew 13:37-52, Matthew 18:2-14, he warned some Matthew 21:41-44, Matthew 22:1-14, Matthew 23:13-39, Matthew 25:31-46, John 8:13-39,

& sealed in The last days Revelation 7:2-17, Hopefully these are all helpful

Jeremiah

All mankind going back through Noah to Adam knew a lot ore about God, His ways, heaven and other spiritual things because God communicate with these and other pre-post flood prophets lie Seth. Enoch, Jared, Noah, Shem, and Abraham.

However, most of what God said or revealed to them was not written down by Moses. These revelations were proclaimed to the people during those times. Yet, many people turns to idols instead of believing the oral transmission about God through thes godly patriarchs

Jesus said that Abraham saw the day when the Messiah would come and Rejoiced. John 8:56

And Ababam believed that God could raise Isaac from the dead if he slayed him. Hebrews 11:17-19

Abraham was a prophet and favored by God. I am sure that God shows up often and revealed things to him. Enoch walked with Gid and was witnessed going up to heaven without dying.

So, there is most likely a large amount of revelation God told Abraham and other patriarchs that God did not have Mose record in Genesis. These people's faith was not as primitive as most people seem to assume.

H J,

I'm sad to hear of you're very difficult situation all around. 1st let's start with GOD loves you. How wonderful it is when anyone seeks HIM & HIS truth. 1 John 4:19, John 3:15-16. Deuteronomy 4:29,

I have wondered about this subject & I ask: if a man/woman marries someone thst is divorced Matthew 19:9, then is that a marriage honorable to GOD ? Or is it sin, continued in?

Ezra 9,10, it appears only 2 people were against that decision. Ezra 10:15, some of them had children Ezra 10:44, Nehemiah 8:9, Nehemiah 13:23-31,

Is it sin, to continue in sin?

John 8:10

Is that what Jesus would say to you?

2 Timothy 2:15

Please also read 2 Kings 3, 2 Kings 12, 2 Kings 13, 2 Kings 14:1-3, pay very close attention to the differences because in these accounts it clarifies who the scripture refers to by details not necessarily the "name of the individual" there are very similar names buth differences in Jerusalem, Israel, Syria, differences in parents & even who they fought against. Significant details that should help you break down for truth. Please note also in 2 Kings the reigning of the son clearly seems to overlap as you described. Just like King David when he was still alive & sick, yet they both would retain "title". 2 Kings 13:1,9,

2 Kings 9:1-9, 2 Kings 9:11-12 King of Israel, Jehu. 2 Kings 9:14-16, Jehu "conspired against Joram. (Hazel king of Syria)

vrs 16. * Ahaziah king of Judah * 2 Kings 9:21, 2 Kings 9:22-24, 2 Kings 9:27,28 details buried in City of David. 2 Kings 9:29,

2 Kings 8:7-15 "Hazael king of Syria" same guy? 2 Kings 10:31-32, 2 Kings 34-36,

2 Kings 8:16-24,

2 Kings 8:25-29, 22 yrs old Ahaziah over Jerusalem 1 yr,

* 2 Kings 11:1-4 son of Ahaziah, keep reading 2 Kings 11:5-21, * (Son in biblical terms goes many generations) example: John 8:39

This may be the account that clarifies the distinction you're looking for.

1 Kings 22:51-53 details, 2 yrs over Israel Ahaziah,

Hopefully this is helpful

Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 37, Genesis 39, Genesis 40, Genesis 41, Genesis 47, Genesis 50:22,23, Exodus 1:1-7, Exodus 1:8-12. Note Exodus 1:11,20, Exodus 2:1, please note: John 8:39, biblical times lineage of Levi & Abraham very significant, therefore they would call themselves or other's by the name, many generations. Matthew 1:1, Matthew 22:42, Exodus 6:16-27, Exodus 12:40,41,

Hope this helps.

Donkor Makini,

Interesting question, this is my understanding, all the trees in the garden that they could eat from, even the Tree of Life, if they chose to eat, they were not forbidden to eat of it. God planted this tree of, knowledge of good and evil as well, and commanded Adam and Eve not to eat and if they did it meant surely die. This tree could have been any fruit, it was the breaking of God's commandment that made it forbidden.

What do we have in us that tells us good or evil? It is our conscience; it is the knowledge of good and evil the battleground of the Spirit and the flesh. When Adam and Eve ate of that tree and broke God's commandment the sin nature entered mankind and they received a conscience, or it was awakened to the knowledge to know the difference, they knew they were naked.

There are many opinions on Adam and Eve but was it by chance they would eat or not eat of this tree? Do we write it off to free will to think God did not know and was not in control? Isaiah 46:9-10. They were not the first to sin, John 8:44 and in scripture, there are two Adams, the first Adam a living soul and the last Adam a quickening spirit. There was the first man earthy, and there is the second man the Lord (Jesus) from heaven. and millions in between and millions since, all part of God's plan. 1 Corinthians 15:45-49

One purpose Jesus was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 Was the first Adams purpose part of this plan we overlook, and Satan was blind to, like Jesus' crucifixion?

Just my understanding.

God bless,

RLW

I can't disagree with what you've written Jim, particularly those individual quotes from Scripture. For truly Jesus' coming was in God's Mind at that earliest time in the first man & woman's lives. He was symbolically the spiritual Rock that supplied life-giving water to Israel, as He is also the Giver of that Living Water to all who believe. And He did become the Man Jesus at His Birth as He could also say that He would ascend to His Father & your (Mary's) Father.

The problem becomes evident when we rest only on those individual Scriptures & not look at all the Scriptures that speak of Him. I realize that you did, a few days ago, give your understanding of John 1:1-14, which I can't locate again. How then do you view John 8:58, John 17:5, or even Colossians 1:14-17, to name a few? What you write to us, we can readily agree to, but it's the Scriptures that are not taken into account, that makes understanding a difficult doctrine, one-sided. If these 'other' Scriptures were not given to us, then truly we must believe that Christ came into Being at His Conception in Mary. The examples of verses I've given above would be very difficult to read in any other way than given. Here are Truths that we can't avoid - they, together with His coming as a Man, must fit together so that we can properly understand Who this Jesus is (at least as much as is revealed to us).

Indeed Jim. Jesus was known as both the Son of God & the Son of Man - He definitely was a Man in every respect, bar the sin nature.

You wrote: "Jesus was exalted by God. If he was exalted it must mean he was lower in position." And again, yes, He was found in that lower position as a man, which Hebrews 2:9 speaks of: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." And in His Coming, "HE TOOK NOT ON HIM the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." (v16). Why should it be said of Him that He should take on man's flesh (seed of Abraham), when the possibility was there that He take on the nature "like unto the angels"? Apart from the obvious fact that He needed to become a Man for being the sacrifice for our sins, the other matter that is evident in that verse, is that He had the Power to assume any substance or material He wished. So Who then is this Man Jesus? Is He not the One Who also said, "Before Abraham was (or, existed), I am" ( John 8:58)? And He also said, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE before the world was." ( John 17:5).

The question therefore remains: where was Jesus before He became a Man & before He "MADE HIMSELF of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." ( Philippians 2:8,9)? If He only began life as a Man of God/God's Appointed, how do we answer these other Scriptures that speak of another Life before His Birth? And His clear claims to a pre-existence in Heaven? Can we force another meaning to any of them?

Apologies Billy. I read your comment to Adam in a different way.

You're correct, Jesus' Name is not seen there in John 1:1-14, but who then is John the Apostle writing about? I can't think of anyone else that fits that description. John wrote about the Word of God: that which was with God & God Himself (v1). This Word was involved in creation (vv3,10) - notice John begins to use a pronoun (He, Him) describing this Word. In this Word was both Life & Light (v4). When John the Baptist arrived on the scene, he bore witness of that Light (v7). That Word Who was with God & was God, was made a man & lived the life of a man (v14). That Word came to His Own people but they rejected Him (v11), but those who received Him were made sons of God (v12). These are not separate accounts; this whole passage is consistent in its subject matter & implications.

This passage of Scripture is talking about God's Word. It's not about Apostle John or John the Baptist, or anyone else. The only Person Who could fit the bill is God's Word, Jesus Christ: He is the only One Who could be the giver of Life & Light & be the Creator of all things (also Colossians 1:15-17). He is the Only One Who could ask His Father ( John 17:5: "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH thee before the world was."). He is the only One Who could state ( John 6:38: "For I CAME DOWN from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."). And He is the only One Who could tell the Jews ( John 8:58: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM.").

I always wonder how folk consider these verses that I've shared here. I'm sure Jesus is not lying to us by saying those things. Do people read those verses as I do or in some other way that I'm missing? Or, should we determine that since the incarnation is 'impossible', therefore all these Scriptures are meaningless? Even if Christ's Deity is hard to understand, we can't simply reject it.

Hello Rick. You've raised too many issues here to properly deal with, so I might just throw in a few things.

You wrote: "If I'm gonna take a chance of worshipping another God...". There is no other God - God is One God, none beside Him & Who will not give His Glory to another ( Isaiah 42:8). If Jesus was a separate creation, a product of human sexual union, & you worshipped Him, then yes, you & I should fear worshipping another god. But this Jesus to whom you have given worship & made petition, did not enter the world by that means, but from within God's Being. John 8:42, Jesus said: "If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." The word used here for 'proceeded' & 'came from', is 'ek or ex'= to come out of, meaning that Jesus is stating that His coming was from within God, that it was God's Initiative to send Him & not His.

Yet your pressing search is for the mention of Jesus in the Torah. I'm not sure why, since the Jews themselves will search not only the Torah, but the Prophets, & the Writings for their Messiah. If we remember this aspect of Jewish history: Israel was a special people; they were still sinners before God; God provided a sacrifice system to appease Him & keep Israel always conscious of their sins; this sacrifice would continue until the coming Messiah, Who would become God's only acceptable Sacrifice to redeem them. But what happened? What was written about God's Provision was given to Israel in the Tanakh (TNK) (T=Torah; N=Neviim; K=Ketuvim) ( Luke 24:44), but they could not see it/they could not discern the messages (right from Genesis 3:15). No, we don't see Jesus' Name in the Torah or anywhere else in the OT; Jesus only became Jesus at His Birth ( Luke 1:31,32); but we see God in the whole Bible & His Plan to bring HIS Salvation to all. We could ask, 'why did God bring forth a human (a Son) to be sacrificed? Wouldn't a perfect spotless lamb made by Him suffice?'

Hi Adam

You said that John 1:1 says that Jesus is God. Jesus name is not mentioned in that verse at all. In fact nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus is God. (Jesus will be exalted by God.) Many times does it say that he is the Son of God. The expression "God the Son" is not found in the scriptures. The "word was God" is correct but it does not say Jesus is God. The word was made flesh is talking about the Lord Jesus Christ manifesting his Father perfectly. He is a manifestation of his Father. If he were God why is he not called God the Son? The passages I showed you showed his reliance on his father.

You mentioned that I didn't comment on all your passages. I will try to do that. Gen 1:26 Nowhere is Jesus mentioned there. You are saying that's what it means. Gen 11:6-7 Again Jesus is not mentioned in this passage. John 10:30 Jesus and his Father are one. Not a problem. Jesus doesn't say that he is God, instead at John 10:34-36 when he is accused of making himself God verse 33 he tells them to read Psalm 82 where the rulers are called Gods by God. If he was actually God then why didn't he say so? John 8:19 God is his Father. I believe that. It does not say that Jesus is God. Phil 2:5-8

Again Jesus not called God. In fact he is called a man in verse 8. Verse 9 God highly exalts him. 2 Corinthians 5:19 God was in Christ. Of course he was. The Holy Spirit was given to Jesus without measure. Jesus not called God. Consider 1

Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

We are told here that even our Lord Jesus Christ will be subject unto God.

Deut 6:4 and Isaiah 44:6 They prove my point. God is one there is no other God.

I'm out of space.

Thanks for your time.

Hi Rick,

I'd keep reading. Seek the truth and open yourself to learn who God really is and what He will reveal to you. Pray for wisdom and understanding. I wouldn't stop after one section and make conclusions before you take the entire context of the Bible into account. There are logical explanations for your questions.

For your food question if you continued reading you would have naturally found Acts 10. There is much more info in the New Testament about what law applies today, because there is moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law. The latter two were specific to Israelites. You would also read a verse like this: Matthew 5:17-20

Regarding your other questions you would eventually read verses like these:

1 John 5:7-8

John 1:1

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

John 1:18

Some OT prophesy of Jesus to come:

Isaiah 7:14

Psalms 72:9-10

Micah 5:2

Numbers 24:17

Genesis 22:18

God bless...

Hi Gigi,

Yes, I think 2 Timothy 4:3 may explain some of this. It seems to be a recent organized attack campaign on Jesus and His followers to distort and deceive and there's an odd allegiance and motivation by those pushing it get others to believe the same. It's truth vs lie and we know who is behind it. John 8:44.

Hi Donna,

The Bible flat out says Jesus is God in John 1:1.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"Word was God"

It flat out says the Word is Jesus in John 1:14 and onward. It also calls Jesus God in other scripture too, so one has to deny much of the Bible in order to deny Jesus's divinity. Why are people so motivated to deny Jesus, one might ask? Matthew 10:32-33

The Word was God literally means the Word was God. It doesn't say the Word wasn't God. It doesn't say the Word was a different God. It doesn't say the Word was God the father. It doesn't say was kind of a God, but not really. People seem to really enjoy twisting this and trying hard to make it mean something else, but it doesn't mean something else. The Word was God still means the "Word was God." It cannot be denied what it so clearly says.

I heard someone who seemed motivated to not want Jesus to be his Lord or God go on to say that the Word didn't mean Jesus and wanted it to mean the Bible. But that person forgot that the Bible already says the Word is Jesus in John 1:14. It again calls Jesus the Word in Revelation 19:13.

So, all the other speculation doesn't really matter. People's devised human arguments in order to rationalize or distort to fit what one wants to believe is all irrelevant. The fact is John 1:1 says Jesus is God and the real question is does someone believe in the Bible as God's word or not? I choose to believe it. I hope others do too. Satan loves deceiving and tricking people into rationalizing away and cherry picking certain things over others.



1 Corinthians 8:6 (Jesus made all things), John 1:1 (Jesus was there in the beginning), John 5:18, (equal with His father), Jesus is the John 8:58, "I AM", Exodus 3:14, Revelation 1:8. John 20:28.

There are spiritual forces at work trying to deceive and twist and misinterpret. Beware of false teachers. The Bible already says what it means. Do we choose to believe and trust?

Hi Jim,

You initiated a reply to me. I'm not sure how interested you are in my belief, but I am happy to dialogue with you as long as it is respectful and grounded in the truth of God's word, not man's opinion. You shared scripture which is great, I believe all the scripture you shared, but I don't believe your interpretation of it. I believe you have misinterpreted it and I can be very specific to the exact reasons why for each point if you are genuinely open to it. For the scripture you shared there is more scripture that says Jesus is God. He's not God the Father, but God the Son. I believe this, because the scripture says this, not because of feelings, bias, or agenda, but because it literally says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Do you believe John 1:1?

Your comment began with a question not about the trinity as the Bible says in 1 John 5:7. But your question wasn't about what the Bible says in 1 John 5:7, but the word 'trinity'. Since we don't know each other I don't know your motive for saying that, but I can say that some others use it as a common straw man argument to deceive others in order to discredit Jesus. The word the "Bible" isn't in the Bible either, so is it not a Bible? The word used in 1 John 5:7 is the three are 'one', so if you can use that if you don't like the word trinity.

John 1:1

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Isaiah 44:6 - Lord is King of Israel, Besides me there is no God.

"Sons of God" isn't THE Son of God.

Do you believe these verses?

Hi Donna,

I don't believe we can just replace the word God for Jesus. I believe that uses of God in the Bible sometimes implies the trinity, but other times is used solely for God the father. I believe this is one of the common sources of confusion. Also, Jesus is Lord, and the use of the word Lord of the Old Testament sometimes seems to include God the father. I'm interested in anyone else's opinions on this. So, the three are one, the same, but also different. While this is hard for us simple humans to understand how much the same they are and how much different they are, it says it in the Bible and we must choose whether we want to trust and believe what it says.

About the word begotten in John 3:16:

I'd like to borrow from a Got Questions answer on this as I find them scripturally based most of the time. They say the original Greek word 'begotten' or (monogenes) has 2 meanings:

1. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." Hebrews 11:17 like Abraham's son.

2. The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." See John 3:16, John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9.

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Beware of anyone distorting the word to assume it means Jesus was 'created' later. This is not what it means. Scripture already debunks that in John 1:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6 (Jesus made all things), John 1:1 (Jesus was there in the beginning), John 5:18 (equal with His father), Jesus is the John 8:58, "I AM", Exodus 3:14, Revelation 1:8

God bless...

No one can come to the Father unless He draws Him first ( John 6:44). His sheep hear His voice ( John 10:27). I recommend that you read this book in particular to understand election. The god of this world has blinded the minds of men who don't believe ( 2 Cor. 4:4). Parables were hidden from the Pharisees; and only the Holy Spirit could reveal that Jesus was the Son of God ( Matthew 16:17). Once again the Father was the one who did the revealing.

The only unforgiveable sin was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 12:31-32). This related to people seeing Christ's miracles and attributing them to Beezlebub (or Satan). Most people would when they saw His miracles think that he was a prophet; or good man as Peter indicated the general response was earlier when Christ asked who men thought He was. This is much like looking at the Sermon on the Mount and all those who Christ declared blessed and thinking somehow a person could be virtuous by doing a bunch of good works alone. Many are called; few are chosen ( Matthew 22:14). Satan of course will do many signs and wonders in Revelation 13 through the false prophet to draw men to worship the Antichrist. There are many evil spirits that are deceiving men today. When Christ did miracles; he would ask people at times to go back to the leaders to confirm the healing was genuine and be officially declared "clean".

Jesus asked the Pharisees which was harder; forgiving sins or healing ( Matthew 9:5). Jesus indeed did healings without preaching salvation many times; but he would say go and sin no more lest something worse happens to you to a man paralyzed most of his life ( John 5:14). This can be seen also with the woman about to be stoned ( John 8:11). In this; we can see that the Presence of the Holy Spirit Christ draws all men (that He has called and chosen) to Himself.

This is also true in Acts; the Apostles didn't beg to get more converts; people said what must I do to be saved ( Acts 16:30).

Hi Brother Dan.

I hear often how simple scripture is to understand bur yet the Bible is the most debated collection of books ever.

Flesh is what Satan works with to confuse, that's why Jesus says John 8:43-47. also

John 10:27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

They don't become his sheep by following him. They follow him "because they hear his voice " And he lay them down in green pasture. You'll see the results in fruit barring. Something the Law and those who desire to be under it cannot do.

Jesus/truth is a stumblingblock unto them.

Touching scripture Jesus says

John 5:38-39.

And the writer to the Hebrews-

Hebrews 10:7. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Jesus came to minister reconciliation by means of "GRACE by faith" to a lost and condemned world. This grace is emphasized all through scripture and climax at the cross.

Romans 4:11.And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.

Hebrews 10:5-9. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

This is revealed in the heart of those who believe.

Any message deviates from this reveals the blindness mentioned.

God bless.

Hi

Mathew 3:10-11.

I would like to add one or two more things that I believe is to be very important. Whether by water baptism or baptism by the Holyspirit, is it evident in your life that spiritual baptism has taken place.

You will run into 2 major groups engage on this topic. One group is those who believe you are saved by confessing Jesus and keeping the commandments. Some of this group believe you can lose your salvation. This group is bond to a work base religion.

The other group believes "for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Even the faith you are being saved through is not your faith! it is a gift of God!

You have nothing to offer God in terms of salvation! I hold this view.

True baptism when you "GENUINELY" accept Christ as your savior there is production in your life that begins. You can't produce it or keep it from producing as you feed on the word.

I will share a few by verses below and hopefully others can expand on them or add to.

Notice Paul' he didn't have much to say about water baptism, but he had a lot to say about baptism by the Holyspirit.

Romans 6:4.

Romans 6:6-8.

Romans 6:11.

It does well to study all of Romans 6 to expand a little on "the production' of spiritual baptism.

JOHNS BAPTISM.

you can see a picture of this transition for the Jews drawn out for you by Paul in Romans 7:1-2. Read all.

Now read Mathew 3:10-11.

Israel was a natural branch that didn't bear fruit. Jeremiah 2:21. "Nor could it"

Also read Mathew 21:42-44. and John 15:1-7.

Now let's get back to our 2 groups.

You have the 1st group I mentioned that put themselves in bondage as did Israel and despising the truth.

believing in baptism outwardly but unbaptized inwardly.

EXAMPLE: Romans 2:25-29.

The 2nd group

Philippians 3:3.

Galatians 3:13.

John 8:36.

The outcome.

1John 2:3.

1 John 4:21.

This Love cannot be produced by self.

God bless.

Mike The truth is from God and His word Jesus Christ said John 8: 32 Ye shalt know the truth and

the truth shall make you free! A truth can change with conditions or circumstances, The truth of Gods word

are ETERNAL. Remember in Genesis One word made the difference Thou shalt surely Die, Thou shall Not

surely die!

Cowboy:

If you are in the First RESURRECTION you will NEVER see death, death has been destroyed.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE anymore........being the children of resurrection.

John 6:50 .... that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me SHALL NEVER DIE ....

Matthew 16:28 There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death .....

John 8:51 .....if a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION....and shall reign with Christ a thousand years.

Hi James. I know, that word 'hate' can be very pointed & ugly, especially when seen in the Scriptures. We need to realize that 'hate' as seen here & other places, can have several meanings. The word in Greek is 'miseo', & of course, it does mean 'to hate' but also can have other meanings according to application, i.e. 'to detest, to love less, to esteem less'. So, it's not always an ugly uncontrolled emotion that is shown. You can think of Luke 14:26, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Did the Lord mean to say that we are to feel such hatred for our family just so that we can truly follow Him? Or did He mean that we need to esteem Him more, putting Him first in everything even to giving our family second place?

And then we have another conundrum as seen in Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I share this verse simply to demonstrate the usage & understanding of languages. In Isaiah, we read of two strange phenomena: God creating darkness & creating evil. Can a God Who is altogether Light & altogether Holy & Good create such things? Some might say, yes, because He is God. Rather we should consider that in light of Who God is, maybe the creation of darkness, is actually God removing His Light. Maybe the creation of evil, is God removing His Peace. Darkness is always the default just as is Evil the present default in the World. We enjoy both physical & spiritual Light because of God's intervention through Christ ( Colossians 1:16,17; John 8:12) - we also enjoy great quietness & enjoyment of life because God by His Spirit is holding back the full onslaught of evil ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7).

Therefore Romans 9:13 & Malachi 1:2,3 that speak of 'hating Esau', can only mean that Esau was hated (rejected) in God's Plan, just as Jacob was loved (accepted).

Amen Brother Alex!

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

John 9:41 And Jesus said unto them, If you were blind ye should have no sin: but now ye say, we can see; therefore you sin remaineth.

John 8:21 Then Jesus said again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go ye can't come.

Everyone is LOOKING for the place, but it's not a place, but a new creation, the new man exactly like his CREATOR.

God's has has been gracious to us.

Hi Earl I understand its Gods desire for all men to be saved , but God also knows there are men that won't be

Cain Nimrod Ahab jezebel[woman] Judas Ananias and any men of belial in old testament and the men Jesus Christ

was addressing in John 8:44 where he said you will die in your sin. These are people who absolutely knew of god

but defied His authority i.e. his Word. These individuals will never be saved period.

Jesus instructs us to repent and sin no more. Most bible scripture like this is very clear, and easy to understand.

John 5:14

"Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

John 8:11

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Many people think they can't stop sinning. Jesus thinks that we can, and he tells us - to stop sinning. Jesus has more faith in us, than we have in him. Jesus can help us to stop sinning, but we need to really have FAITH and believe that we can! Remember the mustard seed.

Let's pray on this.

God Bless

I believe Judas will go to hell, because he betrayed Jesus to help murder him for profit. This is like blasphemy and turning his back on Jesus. Peter denied Jesus, which might also be a form of blasphemy, however, I believe Jesus forgave him through a special circumstance- asking if he loved Him three times.

People are deceived if they believe everyone goes to heaven regardless of how much sick and vile evil they commit against God, like Hitler mass murdering people. Jesus already said most people will go to hell. Just read the gospels and his many parables. They are all similar themes- warning after warning.

Jesus died for everyone, but forgiveness is contingent upon someone humbling themselves, repenting, confessing, believing, declaring Jesus is Lord and accepting the gift. Acts 2:38 - this requires an action. It doesn't say 'Do nothing and ye shall receive the gift' or 'Keep sinning as much as you want...' Here's another action requirement: repentance: Luke 5:32. Here's another confessing: 1 John 1:9.

Romans 10:9 - notice the "If..." People don't say "if" unless it's conditional. Salvation is conditional.

This says to believe: 1 John 5:13. It doesn't say 'not believing is totally fine.' Romans 12:2 - this says to be transformed and to not conform to the world. That's a big bummer for those hoping for a free get out of hell free card to enjoy a lifetime of sin and guilty pleasures. Look at this: John 8:11 and even this: James 2:26. Another: James 4:6. Reading the Bible for what it is paints a very different picture than the little summaries people like to spread around. People who ignore all the Bible's teachings and do whatever they want should be afraid for their soul: Luke 12:5. God bless.

Larry Hudson, Perhaps you are very aware of the scripture & The HOLY Spirit has revealed to you an amazing & important message. Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, Romans 11:7-36, Romans 1:16, Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24, John 8:1-58,

John 16:1-4, John 17:1-26, John 18:12-15,

Forgive our zeal for GOD's love for us. As adopted in, grafted in children. John 3:16,

Matthew 1:21 kJV: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou

shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from

their sins.

Matthew 4:17 KJV: From that time Jesus began to preach,

and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

John 8:58 KJV: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say

unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV: Wherefore God also hath highly

exalted him, and given him a name which is above every

name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,

of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under

the earth; And that every tongue should confess that

Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Your friend: What if the scriptures mean this:

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

What if: Those that sleep in Jesus are the Old Testament Saints that died never receiving the promised victory over death, but had to wait on Christ resurrection.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many of the bodies of the saints which slept (in Jesus) arose (with Christ),

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many.

What if: the holy city was New Jerusalem and not Old Jerusalem.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

What if: those that are alive and remain, are the ones that had their part in the first resurrection and never saw death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that had part in the first resurrection......

John 8:51 .....he shall never see death.

The saints from the Old Testament and those that never see death, all took part in the first resurrection. These want prevent those left in their graves from seeing a future resurrection.

This (first) resurrection want prevent those still in their graves from seeing a future (second) resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall shall rise first.

What if: the is just reaffirming the above verses, the saints and the ones who died with Christ having their part in the first resurrection; making sure we know there are two resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain (alive because we never saw death) shall be caught up together with them (saints of old) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, so shall we ever be with the Lord.