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Hi english Sacha You are correct we ever since adam and eves downfall we are born of sinful flesh, that was not the context of this comment the context was that we all are born children of the devil or satan that is spiritual and not true. Has nothing to do with flesh and blood, just as there are those of us who confess Jesus christ as lord and saviour, there are people genuinely who confess satan or the devil as lord and become his children spiritually. Again these are known old testament as men of belial or worthless men or wicked men. Some may disagree and that's there privilege. Again in John 8:44 its pretty point blank ye are of your father the devil and the lust of your father ye will do. Remember there are two kingdoms the natural and spiritual, we truly do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Now to be clear that is not saying that all who worship satan fall into that category, that's a different situation.

I disagree with your ideology scripturally that everyone is born a child of the devil because to be born that way which is to say when born they were born both of flesh and blood and spiritually evil. Then a spiritual rebirth is logically impossible, now it is written we were dead in trespasses and sins and were by nature children of wrath but it does not say everyone is born a child of the devil. Also John 8:41-44 Jesus Christ knew spiritually who there spiritual Father was, which is why He said you will die in your sin, if there spiritual father is the devil that cannot be reversed. In the old testament they were known as men of Belial or worthless men, these men despised men of God and all that represented God andwere absolutely wicked. Nimrod was this kind of man.

Satan who deceives the WHOLE WORLD

EVERYONE starts out as a god of this world, were are being CREATED a NEW MAN, a god of the WORLD TO COME.

The god of this world (Satan). We start out as the children of Satan ( John 8:44):

We END as children of GOD

We begin as the image of the beast (Satan)( Revelation 13:14-15)

We END the image of God

2 Corinthians 11:14 An no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers (gods of THIS WORLD) also be transformed TO MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (gods of the WORLD TO COME)......

Romans 12:2 And be ye not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed be THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND ...

The King James and others interpreted Malachi 1:11 in the future trend. The correct interpretation is on the present trend. Who then is God referring to? Who is worshipping properly, accepted by God, in contrast with the Jews of that time?

Dear Sarah Campanella on 1 Samuel 18. Sorry i cant see that your question have something too do with 1 Samuel 18.

On the other hand i can reminder you that the God Him Self is Holy. If u look in Hebrew letter in new testament u get a new thoughts about what Jesus Christ realy have too do, and save ppl on this planet.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Acts 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

God bless u with heavenly wisdom in His Holy name, Jesus Christ amen.

What you're dealing with is demonic. Unbelievers don't know they've been taken hostage.

Believers know they've been snared. The Holy Spirit is the only one who can break the ties that bind us. We pray and ask for HELP to break the bonds and be freed. We do that by depending upon what Jesus did on the Cross to set us free. He paid in blood. Satan nor demons have AUTHORITY to cross that blood and take a Christian captive. Whom the Son sets free, is free Indeed.

Faith in Christ stands up and takes that authority back! Ephesians 6. The Helmet of Salvation. Start pleading the blood of Jesus when THE TEMPTER shows up. The more scripture you know__the more ammo you have to shoot back at the evil. Read about Jesus 40 day fast after his baptism. "IT IS WRITTEN_____ " you fill in that blank with a verse, like He did. It absolutely works. We're weak often because we fill our minds with television, novels and video games.

FILL UP ON JESUS.

Spirit of Bondage

Manifestations - Fears, Addictions (Drugs, Alcohol, Cigarettes, Food, Etcetera...), Fear of Death, Captivity to Satan, Servant of Corruption, Compulsive Sin, Bondage to Sin

Scriptures: ( Romans 6:16; 7:23; 8:15; 2 Peter 2:19; Hebrews 2:14-15; Luke 8:23; John 8:34; Acts 8:23; Proverbs 5:2; 2 Timothy 2:26)

Roots... "The Works of the Flesh," Galatians 5:19-21.

"By their fruits you will know all men," Matthew 7:20. According to Matthew 6:10; 11:12; 12:29; 16:18; 18:18; 28:18 BIND: Spirit of Bondage

LOOSE: Liberty, Spirit of Adoption:

Spirit of God: Pure Spirit, Holiness, Commitment, Insatiable

Ever Increasing Hunger for the Holy Spirit.

You're going to feel silly, because demons are invisible. Eph.6

On YouTube, watch Charles Capps: Authority of the Believer. Take notes. When you get free, tell others how to be free.

Don't be anesthetized by television. Read more New Testament Bible.

** Luke 11:24-26 garnish means Bible and Faith

Brother David, in the fullness of times, GOD will be ALL IN ALL ( 1 Corinthians 15:28).

Jesus came to visibly show what it means for God to be ALL in ALL, Christ was the first.

Christ is the body ( Ephesians 4:4)(a vessel) that holds ALL GOD IS; therefore Christ did nothing of himself, because a BODY can DO NOTHING of itself, It's the LIFE in the BODY that does the work. ( John 5:19)( John 5:30)( John 8:28).

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the LIFE) which worketh in you (in the body, the vessel, even in Christ) TO WILL and TO DO his (the Father's) good pleasure.

We are going to be CONFORMED to the likeness of Christ. We are the pot (the body, the vessel) he is the potter.

He is bring his BODY (you and I) to TRUTH. WE do NOTHING OURSELVES ( John 15:5).

When you are BORN of TRUTH, ALL that you are doing is not you THE BODY doing it, but God THE LIFE in you doing the work.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (TRUTH) doth not COMMIT SIN: for his SEED (CHRIST IN YOU)( Colossians 1:27) remaineth in him (you ARE DEAD (in trespasses) he GAVE you HIS LIFE, you are now the body that HOLDS ALL GOD IS): and he (the one who died to TRUTH), cannot sin, because he is born of TRUTH.

And the TRUTH is:

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (THE LIFE) which worketh in you (HIS BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

God grace us with eyes to see, God bless you.

Thank you sister GiGi! I think that's why Paul says to comfort one another with these words from Thessalonians. Or as Jesus says of our Heavenly Father - I am not the God of dead but the God of the living in Mark 12:27 !

For we shall not taste death or even see death! John 8:51 !

Praise Jesus for His Death, His Burial, and His Resurrection - and thank you again GiGi for your love!

Wait, wait. The unequally yoked rules originated with the Jews. Genesis 4:26, Genesis 6:2-6, Deuteronomy 7:1-29, 1 Kings 11:1-4, Malachi 2:15, Psalm 122:6, Genesis 12:1-3,

John 8:31, Matthew 27:11, John 18:33, Revelation 7:5

who was the adulterous woman in John chapter 8

Thank you for re-living that wonderful portion of Scripture for us. Re: John 8:56, I would include John 8:56-58. In just three verses, Jesus speaks about life after death; that Abraham though now long dead in the flesh, was alive in spirit to be witness to Jesus' coming to Earth. As well, Jesus speaks about His pre-human existence: "Before Abraham was (even existed), I am". Is it any wonder that the Jews took up stones to destroy Him? Wonderful Truths that many, even today, will reject or twist to their belief.

And that "downswing of his arm" was probably the point when full trust & commital gave way to any speck of doubt or fear. And that was a micro-second in duration, reminding us that the Lord's timing can never be wrong.

The downfall in Genesis God created man in His Image in the beginning Gods Image is Spirit I.E. John 4:24 not flesh and blood he formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into him the breath of life and man became a living soul. The teaching the seeds of death were put in man is false, Gods spirit which is life giving and life energizing is what Adam and Eve lost their spiritual connection with God for disobedience. That's why they became full of fear and no longer had soundness of mind. That's what is stated in 2 Timothy 1:7 that God has not given us fear but power and love and sound mind. In Genesis after the fall God lovingly had to clothe them and prepare them for the world they had to face because of their disobedience. Eve when she bare Cain thought she bore a child from God but in contrast became the first murderer, he wasn't born that way he became that way. When you look up the descendants of cains line or men who as it says in Jude verse 11 the ones who went the way of cain these are men who got spiritually born of the wicked one not by physical seed it is spiritual, that is why in John 8:44 Jesus Christ said to these spiritually corrupt men ye are of your father the devil it is not a physical birth it is a spiritual birth. That's also why he said you will die in your sin they are unredeemable. In the old testament they were men of belial or worthless men or men of the earth. This is all part of our spiritual battle. Some will disagree with this and that's there privilege. Just keep something in mind everything the true God has done the enemy tries to duplicate.

Thank you for speaking the truth. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

You didn't cite one Bible verse supporting your feelings, I wonder why.

Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"...WORD WAS GOD."

Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.

This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.

But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

"I AM, THAT I AM," If i had my Exhaustive Concordance I could try & tell you the Hebrew, Greek, etc. It may be significant that HE, GOD ALMIGHTY says Exodus 3:15,

Exodus 4:5, Genesis 26:24, John 8:39, Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8, Mark 12:26, Matthew 22:32, Luke 20:37, Acts 7:32,

Galatians 3:6,

This message is to anyone reading this discussion. Beware of false teaching that goes against the Bible.

John 8:44

Satan is a liar and murderer. He is NOT good. The result of his actions and deeds are all bad. Beware of any lies you hear saying that good is bad and bad is good. Satan whispers lies in people's ear and they believe him and repeat it. Sometimes even Christians believe lies so they will be deceived into disobeying God, following the world instead of Jesus. Unfortunately there have been unbiblical ideas and falsehoods posted publicly that aren't from God, including on discussions like this.

God gave mankind freewill to choose good or evil. Many choose evil. God didn't do that, man did. God loved you enough to allow you to choose, even if you choose evil. He didn't make you a puppet or a robot- if He did, you would complain about that too. He allows sin to occur and that adversely affects innocent people. This life is very short. It's sad that some lives end sooner than expected, but all will be judged and face consequences for their actions in the end and have their opportunity for reward or punishment. 2 Corinthians 5:10.

It's right to stand up for Jesus, for God's Word, and truth in the face of attacks. We live in an era of lies and we all know who the father of lies is. Resist the devil and he will flee. Love the truth and pray for wisdom and understanding of scriptures. 2 Thessalonians 2:10

Brother Jesse, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Are not the BORN AGAIN to never see death?

Matthew 16:28 ....There be some standing here, which shall no taste of death, .....

John 5:24 ....but is passed from death unto life.

John 8:51 ....he shall never see death.

In the twinkling of an eye DEATH is swallowed up in VICTORY

Colossians 1:13 ....And hath TRANSLATED US into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Isaiah 14:12-15 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Ezekiel 28:14 - Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:15 - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Ezekiel 28:16 - By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Luke 10:18 - And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

John 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of DEATH, that is, the devil;

LEGALLY, because Jesus (2nd Adam) WON back the Authority FROM SATAN that First Adam lost in the Garden of Eden.

Jesus, by the Holy Spirit, was conceived becoming the SON OF MAN. All God, all HUMAN.

Satan and Demons are NOT HUMAN. They borrow bodies: dogs, frogs and witches who lend their bodies.

CAREFULLY READ EPHESIANS 6

Brother Ronald,

Can you show me specific scripture where Jesus said any of these things?

Some men have said these types of things about women in and out of bible scripture - but not Jesus, HE treated all women with the same respect as men throughout his time on the earth and in HIS scripture.

John 8:7

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

More important than worrying about hair length, or who can teach, etc., I believe we should be more concerned with following what Jesus says, like in this scripture:

Matthew 22:39

"And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

God Bless.

( John 8:36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

People are free from false prophets, deceivers, addictive habits etc. Because of the bible! ( Matthew 5-7)

And sin ( John 3:16,17)

This scripture is helpful, thanks for sharing.

Let's start with the love of GOD

1 Corinthian 13, please read the whole chapter

John 3:16

Psalm 103:8

Psalm 145:8

Matthew 12:15

Those are just a few scriptures about GOD's love. If you study & read the Holy Bible you will find GOD's love all through it.

Here are a few scriptures about sin

John 8:34 & Jesus says about himself John 8:36

Hopefully those are helpful.

Hello, not sure if I'm understanding your view correctly, but it sounds like maybe you don't believe Jesus is God. I do understand people's different viewpoints around this, because God the Father is just referred to as God in many cases. For example, Son of God in the wording suggests that He's not God, but the Son. However, that isn't the whole picture- as there's so much Bible verses showing His divinity and it would be hard for anyone to deny that Jesus himself was called God and scripture says He was God in John 1:1.

1. Isaiah 7:14 - People called Jesus Immanuel which means "God with us"

2. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

3. John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

4. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"Word WAS God."

5. Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

"form of God"

"equal with God"

6. John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus made everything.

7. John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

8. John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

9. 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

10. Genesis 1:26 - "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

"Let us make" - plural.

What I gather from this is they are different but the same. We will probably never 100% comprehend this until after this life. The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son, but it says they made everything together, are in each other, have similar form, they both have great power to do miracles, and both are referred to as God in the Bible.

Donna Smith,

There are several opinions on this, we know Satan was the first to rebel, the first to sin, a murderer, and is the father of lies ( John 8:44). We see in Isaiah 14 God said, take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, many take vs. 12 O Lucifer son of the morning as being Satan describing his casting out.

The word Lucifer, the morning star is another word for the planet Venus, Latin roots lux (light) and ferre (to carry) it is its brightest right before sunrise. It is also called a day star because it can be seen in the daytime.

We see in ( Ezekiel 28:12-19) Is a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, where the description of Satan is taken. In ( Job 1) and ( Job 2) " the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord" (angels) Satan showed up. So at this time Satan still had access to heaven. In ( Luke 10:18) Jesus said "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Whether past or future? Whether it was his ranking or permanent?

Now in ( Revelation 12:7-17) and Revelation 13:1-2), the war in heaven where the red dragon and his angels are cast out into the earth. In verse 8 there is no more place for them in heaven. In verse 12 they are rejoicing in heaven and the warning, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" because Satan knows he only has a short time.

My understanding, Revelation 12 starts the great tribulation when Satan is permanently cast down with no more access to heaven and gives his power seat and great authority to the beast. Revelation 12, if you look at the Greek it is Satan standing on the sand of the sea when the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit. ( Revelation 9:11) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8).

May this help your study, you can use, bible simple search KJV, just type in to edge, google, yahoo or whatever search you use, also this site. Type in devil, Satan, and it will pull all scripture that contains these words you can study.

God bless,

RLW

BSP on John 8

Verse 44

In my erly days ill go to baptise in wather. And the worst thing the society set a date 3 months, that was a long time. I wanted to baptised the same day, who was not possible becouse of this and that! Sorry am not a fan of the bureaucracy of the church.

I get a call from a sister she read it out load too me. John 7.17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Before that in age 12 years i said Yes Lord here i am! I get sick of pneumonia after that confession. But i hear in my dream a thunder and a storm i have never hear in my awaken time.

So when the days come closer too the date for baptism, ill get heavy pneumonia again. Stayed in bed for days. The night before i wake up and had bad fever. My thoughts where something like this. I cant go no and i get other ppl sick too and it was no end of the apologies for not go and baptised. I was crying out my sorrow. I laid down again and locked out from my bed, and there right beside me i saw a dark crippled demon. It looked like it just was a head to posseses me. And the ugly eyes was full of nausea and vomiting.

I sitt up in bed again and was realy scared, and i was almost dumb and sick. I open my Bible and what happened! Ill open it exactly in John 7. 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Then i understand that this was a fight a heavenly fight! And i didn't evan know about it yet! After that i get too sleep and i heard in my dream a thunder and a storm i have never hear in my awaken time.

Jesus and His Holy Ones was fighting for my life! f o r m e

I have so much to thank Him for, He get all the price from me. And i will love him forever, and all the co wokers as well. He just give me unconditional love all days after. Thats why i love u all in Christ. Becouse He loved me first.

1 John 4:19 "We love him, because he first loved us."

Verse 44-the Bible openly exposes who Satan the Devil is. The Devil is a murderer and a liar and we see those today who imitate his wicked ways.

Hello Julia

Don't believe your pastor when he says this, Quite simple if it's written in the bible it's God's word, and we should believe scripture before man. Jesus tells us that we are to believe as a child, and as in 2 Peter and 2 Timothy, the bible is written by holy men through the inspiration of God,

I hope this helps

Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" "That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

2 Peter 1:20-21 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

This is going to sound harsh and I'm not judging your Pastor. I've attended a lot of churches.

Pastors, Teachers and others have opinions about the relevance of some passages.

This is why God wants us to study in the Bible, what we are being Taught From The Pulpit. Note their scripture references and read them later at home.

Come back in here and learn how to use THE SEARCH BOX. Put your verse in it. When it appears, touch the verse and it turns yellow.

Scroll downward and there is the COMMENTARY BOX. Open and read what Matthew Henry write about it.

You'll know the truth and Truth sets us free.

It doesn't mean anything more than one person having an opinion. You will know the truth.

We have many lively and heated discussions in here. We read, consider, comment back or agree peacefully to disagree. Doesn't have anything to do with the validity of Scripture. Gods Bible (Word) is always 100% TRUTH. I've changed my opinions many times by things Jesse or Chris have shown me.

It's all good interaction. It's really good you are searching things out. It's a mark of maturity. It is evidence of The Holy Spirit that inside of you, teaching the Word of God to you. He teaches us, tells us what Jesus is like, tells us when we are in the ditch, how to get out; when we sin and when we do good.

I love being a Christian!

God bless your precious soul and direct your steps all of your life. Listen to the still small voice.

I get up in the Morning and . Say GOOD MORNING HOLY SPIRIT!! what are we doing today I get my coffee and we sit and wait for the birds to cut loose singing praises to God. Life is Good.

Dear Julia,

Don't believe everything you hear, especially if it attempts to discredit the Bible, God, or Jesus. This is a spiritual battle and even well-meaning Christians aren't immune to being deceived. If you dig or talk to enough people, you can find criticism for everything, but the real question is: is it true? The burden of proof falls onto the one making the claim.

You said it's unsettling, but it's not unsettling to me, because I know 100% that what you heard is false. The Bible we have is already from the original texts. The KJV is a translation of the original texts and a very accurate one. Satan has attempted to discredit and cause doubt in believers since the beginning of time.

God bless...

Our pastor said this piece of scripture is not part of the original texts and believes it is not written by John

Can you shed some light on this ? This makes for a pretty unsettling mindset for one such as myself who has grown up in church all my life - 48 years- and I've never heard this

Jesus said in John 14:15, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." So, if someone says anything that seems contrary to scripture I won't believe it, but believe God's Word. When I hear those saying things like obeying God is bad or following any law is bad, I think some nuances of the meaning are missed from Romans 6:15-18 which says not to yield to sin that you were servants to sin, but now are to be servants/slaves to righteousness. Being "free" from sin isn't a free pass to sin. John 8:11. I feel a moral duty to post scripture about this, because Christians hear this in church then go out and get drunk, do drugs, have sex outside of marriage, party, and enjoy following the world. They do that, because they are under the assumption that it's ok, because people (including pastors) keep telling them it's ok since they're "not under the law"- that they're free and can do whatever they want with no consequence. The problem is the Bible doesn't say that. Jesus says you should be concerned and fear the one who can send you to hell. According to Jesus, Christians and anyone else following the world of sin instead of Jesus should be afraid. Luke 12:5. Those who don't obey Jesus don't love Him. Those who don't love Him may not have to spend eternity with Him. God bless.