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God sent forward his message in vessels of clay,

The message is revealed by the Spirit of God, ( The Holyspirit )

The clay vessels is the messengers

The message is Jesus Christ, John 1:1.

The Holyspirit reveals his message,

We don't depend on the vessel, we hear the Great Shepherd.

John 10:26-27 (KJV) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Now listen to the Lord speaking to the Pharisees:

John 8:43. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Do you hear his voice? If so what about Revelation 1:8?

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God sent forward his message in vessels of clay,

The message is revealed by the Spirit of God, ( The Holyspirit )

The clay vessels is the messengers

The message is Jesus Christ, John 1:1.

The Holyspirit reveals his message,

We don't depend on the vessel, we hear the Great Shepherd.

John 10:26-27 (KJV) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Now He's speaking to the Pharisees:

John 8:43. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Do you hear his voice? If so what about Revelation 1:8?

Amen.

Praise the Lord!

Revelation 13:8

King James Version

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Does this mean there was a lamb up in heaven with it's throat slit before God said, "let there be light." ?

Of course not.

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

As you said, of a truth, all Christians (born again of the word 1Peter 1:23/ John 3:3 and baptized in Jesus' name and filled with His Spirit John 3:5/ Acts 2:38)

had glory with the Father before the world was. Does this mean we were physically or spiritually there with the Father in heaven? Of course not.

The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron.

Noone has ever pre-existed oneself.

If only people would (as your name suggests) read their bible, and stop listening to deceived men (theologians/ lying "pastors") they would be free indeed - John 8:31-32.

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

It was over before it began.

Hallelujah!

As no one person is exactly the same as another. Just as well there is many different beliefs to interpreting the Scriptures. Which is said to have no private interpretation. ( 2 Peter 1:20-21.

As this has been discussed before I will put my portion. I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. He is the only begotten Son of God. Though He was more than just a "sinless" man. He was part man part God. Born of a virgin who was conceived by the Holy Ghost ( Matthew 1:20, Luke 1:30-35. Even at age twelve He astonished people who heard Him. He knew God was His Father then Luke 2:47-49. To me showing He did not just receive the Holy Ghost(Spirit of God) at His water baptism in the Jordan. If the sign of the Spirit descending from Heaven like a dove was for just a sign for John or for His supernatural powers only God knows. John 1:32-34.

If some think that believing Jesus Christ is more that just a man is taking something away from the Father. God wants us to honor His Son as He is the only way to the Father. Scriptures pointing to Him being more than "just" a man John 3:12-13, John 3:33-35, John 3:38, John 8:54-58, John 17:3-5, Colossians 1:12-20, Hebrews 1:1-4.

Also titles Jesus Christ, the Son of God, uses like Alpha and Omega(first and last) in the beginning of Revelation. The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, being King of kings and Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14. Also the Word of God and King of kings and Lord of lords given to the man riding the white horse out of Heaven. I believe is Jesus Christ.

Besides all of the miracles He performed. Him being transfigured on the mountain Matthew 17:2.

There is one True Holy Living Almighty God. Saying the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost are one. Also as how many verses I have that state the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God, and the Holy Ghost are in us after being saved. To me showing Jesus Christ is the Word of God and one with God and the Holy Ghost.

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.

Have you considered Jer:17:13 the reason Jesus wrote on the earth? O Lord, the hope of Israel, All who forsake You shall be ashamed. " Those who depart from Me shall be written in the earth. Because they have forsaken the Lord, "The fountain of living waters".

As a follower of Jesus,we must have very thick skin.That's because of the rocks that are hurled at us daily.Even by those that read the Bible.Words matter and we will have to give an account of every one of them.

Jesus taught in Mark 9:39-41 about the attitude of a servant.When Jesus bent down to write in the sand twice, what did He write? ( John 8:6:8:8)Jesus recorded my sins and the day He came looking for me and I accepted Him as savior & they where to be never remembered and I became a new man.Was set free saved by the grace of God.The Holy Spirit teaches me all about Gods word.Read the next verse in 2 Tim 3:17 before assuming that a person is an internet prophet.That's the division I wrote about in my post.I posted what was laid on my heart.I spoke the truth.We need to realize that we may be the only Bible that the world will ever read.If we live it. It will show.If we love it.It will show.If we treat all as Jesus commands, with love.It will shine.A house divided can not stand.My first post ever:I wrote of my experience with a church as an evangelist.The Macedonian Call Acts 16:9.And the gospel was presented as comfortable and private. No coming forward as to embarrass anyone of their decision for Christ. That was not a preparation for what Christ followers must and will endure.Jesus sure did not have a very comfortable life being the King of Glory as a man here in this world of pain.He hurt and wept.He taught and prayed.He read the word of God to the people in the temple.Are we not to do as Jesus did? Jesus associated,loved and cared for those who were cast out and least desirable.That's why wrote about denominations.The Gospel is very simple, and man makes it difficult.Please don't twist another mans heart for God by the words that divide.My heart,it breaks daily for a lost and dying world.That's my focus.My Love and Prayers towards all.Our work here is not done.Don't let up or give in.

Still Sowing The Seeds Until His Great Harvest

John E.Dillard,Sr.

Dawn

Cain and Able were the sons of Adam, Genesis 4:1-2 Cain killed his brother, Genesis 4:8. Cain was banished from the face of the earth (Eden) and the presence of the LORD Genesis7 9:16. Abel was to be the righteous line to the Messiah Jesus Christ.

Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

God gave us the genealogy of Cain but it has no consequence on the line to Jesus. The genealogy in the Bible from Adam does not include Cain and Able, it also does not list the firstborn as some say, it covers the righteous line to Jesus. There are many teachings out there that we must be careful. We must test the spirits for there are many contrary to the word of God. Like the verse, you listed John 8:44 Here is another.

1John.3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

These verses by themselves may hint at what you said of Satan and Eve but, this does not mean they are from the physical seed of Satan (devil). Cain was not of the seed of the devil, it is saying if you choose evil, not righteousness you are of the devil. We are either sons and daughters of God or Satan (devil). You can paint a very deceptive picture with one or two verses.

1John.3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Test the spirits, if we cannot find scripture to back up what we hear or read RUN!!!

2 Corinthians 11:14-1514 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

God bless you, Ron

Reply to Ron:

It's all over the Bible, in different places: search the words: 'upside down'. However it has NOTHING to do with "Old Earth Theory" about creation. That's a cult.

People get confused with carbon dating. (my opinion)

The Bible which is a record of ONE person: Jesus; the Word of God. Genesis to Revelation leads up to the end of this age. 2 Peter: earth will burn up.

What scientists have long sought to explain=

Time, Force, Action, Matter, can all be explained in Genesis 1:1. How did it happen and WHO did it? The Godhead: the Father, the Word of God, the Spirit.

The First thing God created, was TIME. "In Beginning". John 1:2-5, Hebrews 1:1-16. Time began to tick for Creation and Man.

God Wills it

The Son ( Hebrews 1:5), The Word, speaks it

The Spirit performs it

Mishael: this is enough to get you on track with what happened in Genesis the first day. Get a study Bible that has Center Column references to further explanation (has tiny abc's imbedded in the scriptures). You don't need secular books to read this and understand better.

We need to understand that Satan and the 1/3 of his followers were thrown down to earth. There was war in heaven. That's what happened to Cain. His hateful heart opened a door. "They are, who found the daughters of Adam and Eve, desirable."

Until Jesus returns to earth, demonic activity will increase.

"Garnish your house" (you) with the Bible, Prayer and don't open doors to ungodly influences. The "falling away" is speeding up. Know what the "apostasy" is.

Keep your "oil of the joy of the Holy Spirit", topped off. (Ten virgins parable)

Cain is not in Geneology because of the curse.

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he (Satan) speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

M.

Hi Dawn,

Let's put John 8:44 in its context.

John 8:42-47. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Verses 42 and 43 Jesus is saying if God were their father they would love him and understand his speech.

Verse 44 through 47 he gives the contrast between the father of truth and the father of lies,

The devil is the father of lies and much more. He is the spiritual father to all who reject Christ.

And as a side note: Anyone tries to add to the finish work of the cross whether elements from the works of the law or works of their own falls in the category of Satans children as well because they will have fallen from grace.

If Cain is Adam's son, then why is Cain's genealogy different than Adam's, and in John 8:44 Christ, speaking to the scribes and Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil.... he was a murderer from the beginning...."? Eve was "beguiled" - (Gr. exapatao) wholly seduce by the serpent, or Satan.

Cain, in God's Word, is the first murderer.

Then why is Cain's genealogy different than Adam's, and in John 8:44 Christ, speaking to the scribes and Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil.... he was a murderer from the beginning...."?

Cain, in God's Word, is the first murderer, in His Word.

Hi Marilyn

John 8:32 says ..And ye shall know the truth , and the truth shall make you free.......

Whats happening today i see people reading and buying books of other peoples experiences

and believing more what people write about rather then just read the bible and share the experience in company

of the saints in fellowship ...and in order people share what God has done for them ..In Jesus name

Christians are not reading the Bible their reading what Pastors are writing and then compare what he or she has said with the Bible....believing more what the Pastor has written ......

I have had christians say but the Pastor said this and the believe the Pators book over the bible and others people experience ....

David, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The angel of the Lord of the old testament is the same as Jehovah of the old testament and is the same that came in the flesh that we know as Jesus Christ and is now back in the glorified body he has had since he was begotten of the Father. The angel of the Lord is a man in a glorified body, Jehovah is a man in a glorified body. Jehovah set aside his glorified body and took upon himself a body like sinful flesh and was manifest as the man Jesus Christ who died for us to reconcile his brothers and sisters to the Father. Then at his resurrection took back the glorified body he laid down for us. Let's look at some of the scriptures that shed light on this. All angels have glorified bodies like their archangel the angel of the Lord.

Exodus 3:2 The angel of the Lord appeared to him (Moses) in a flame of fire......

Exodus 3:14 And God (Jehovah) said unto Moses (as the angel of the Lord out of the burning bush)I AM that I AM.....

John 8:58 .... before Abraham was, I AM.

Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared unto him (Abraham).....

Genesis 18:2 And he (Abraham) lift up his eyes and looked, and lo, THREE MEN stood by him...

Genesis 18:22 And the (two) men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord (Jehovah, the third man).

Genesis 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man.....

Hosea 12:4 Yet he (Jacob) had power over the angel......

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entered angels unawares.

Psalm 103:20 Bless ye the Lord, ye HIS ANGELS....

Meditate upon the implications this last verse implies.

There are many more scriptures that parallel the angel, Jehovah and Jesus Christ, but not enough space in 2000 words to write them all.

Ask for the Spirits wisdom and understanding and YE SHALL RECEIVE.

When you say we are told not to change the bible, I'm happy that we agree on something, when you talk of the many different bible versions, I'm also aware that there is, but chose to only read the KJV, I'm sure they're meant to be more relevant to today's english but as in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 Satan can transform himself into an angel of light and deceive many, just by changing a few words. Fornication is most certainly a terrible sin throughout society today and also in biblical times, and is mentioned 35 times in the KJV but when you look at Romans 1:20-32 and Galations 5:14-26 it is only one of many sins of the flesh. "Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents," to name just a few. John 8:3-11 Jesus forgive a woman caught in adultery, John 4:6-43 the Samaritan woman at the well living in fornication was one of the first women evangelist. Luke 18:10-14 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican." he was not justified, Luke 23:43 the first person Jesus took to paradise was a thief on the cross. Sin in whatever form is evil in God's eyes, but I'm sure your well aware of that. Just as God judged the people in Sodom and Gomorrah and in Noah's day, I try (sometimes I fail) to let God judge the transgressors of today, and focus on the narrow road to the cross for my Salvation. Because as in Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife." we don't want to turn into that pillar of salt.

Some of my favorite scripture to help me keep things in perspective is the Beatitudes and sermon on the mount, and also Luke 10:27-37 the story of the good Samaritan.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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No problem Paul,

On this "God and Jesus are not the same" all I can do is give you my perception on this. As other people may have different views. Maybe others more learned than I would like to share but I will proclaim what I feel about our Lord Jesus Christ. I do not believe Jesus Christ is God the Father as it seems pretty obvious to me as they are two, Father and Son. Although things like Jesus stating "I and the Father are One" and "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" some people may use those to proclaim that "Jesus is God". As I have said before I really have no problem with people saying Jesus is God as they are One. As God is Spirit the Father being in the Son and the Son in the Father is truth. They being One. All things that the Father has have been given to the Son.

Jesus Christ being the Elect or Chosen One of God. He is the Word of God and the Perfect Lamb of God. The Mediator between God Almighty and man. Sent to us by our Perfect Father in Heaven to bear our sins on His shoulders.( 1 John 2:1-2. By the Glorious Grace and love that God has for us. I believe Isaiah 42 is a good chapter, in the Old Testament, that speaks about Jesus Christ.

Maybe some other verses of Jesus and the Father not being the "same" even though they are One:

Proverbs 30:4

Matthew 26:39

John 8:17-18

John 20:17

( 1 Timothy 2:5

The Book of John is my favorite out of the four books of the journey of Chirst. Reading chapter 15-17 is good to see correlation between the Father and Son.

I hope what I have replied helps you. This is Truth to me in how my eyes have been lead to perceive the Lord Jesus Christ. And no person has taught me these things.

God Bless you brother.

Brother Nicholas, welcome to the family of God, born through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ & the indwelling Holy Spirit. It's always a joy to hear of a searching soul being freed from the shackles of religion, even vain philosophies & the Masons, & finding new Life & Hope in Christ alone. If you've come by way of the Cross of Christ, admitted your sinful irreparable condition to God, trusted in the Blood of Christ to cleanse your heart & through His death being made acceptable to God, then God's Word & Spirit declare you to be saved, freed, & accepted forever. It not only comes as a sure Word from God ( John 8:36), but also the witness to your heart that you have God's Spirit indwelling & that your life has taken a new course & you will think & do things very differently. And I'm sure this witness is ever before your wife.

When we're born again, we're immediately baptized in & by the Holy Spirit. He sets His Seal upon you ( Ephesians 1:13,14) marking you out as God's very own & you now have all the resources of Heaven at your disposal (for teaching, directing, comfort, answered prayer, strength in troubles, power against the spiritual forces) - but only when we fully trust Him & not waiver in faith. But this increases in our Christian walk & proving Him faithful in every situation.

Water baptism is simply an outward testimony of an inward change. It is confirmation to your own heart & against the forces of evil that will make you doubt that great event in your life, & is a testimony to others of your departure from all that bound you, to the freedom now in Christ. So yes, water baptism is different from Spirit baptism, but it should follow what has been done within you, as soon as you are able to. Join a good Bible-believing Church & immediately share your testimony with the Pastor/Elder, so that your faith & stand for Christ is shown to all. Btw, Jewish baptism was primarily as 'washings' necessary in the faith & not of the same meaning as Christian baptism.

No the good samaritan is someone from he region of samaria in northern israel who did a good deed.. samaritan is his nationality i would be like saying the good american. its definitely not jesus since jesus called a samaritan woman a dog matthew 15:21-28

We need to be the good samaritan .

Is the good samaritan Jesus in Mathew 24 v 47

I don't understand why people want to condemn others who believe in God a certain way. We all worship the same God. There is only one true God and only one way to God. Through His Son Jesus Christ. Who was a free gift from our Father to pay for our sins. Having faith and giving yourself to Jesus Christ is the most important thing.

There is only one God our Father. Should we not honor the Son as we honor the Father? Like we're told. Does not Jesus Christ have all the power and authority of the Father? Given to Him by the Father. I myself don't believe Jesus Christ is God the Father but that the Father is in Him and He in the Father. I also believe in the deity of Christ that He was with the Father before He came to earth. Like He says. Can I explain all this? No. That's what I believe and it all came to me through the Holy Bible.

A couple verses showing God the Father is not Jesus Christ:

Matthew 26:39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

John 8:17-18, 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of Myself, and the Father that sent Me beareth witness of Me.

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us

( 2 Peter 1:17-18, 17 For He received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with Him in the holy mount.

Why can't some believe in two, plus the Holy Ghost, which is three in this new covenant? One God.

Just some scripture stating that Jesus and the Father are two. John 8:

16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of TWO men is true.

18 I am one that bear WITNESS of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth WITNESS of me.

Rebecca this is one of the most misunderstood scriptures in Gods Word, but think about an action against Gods Word an individual cannot be forgiven of, the answer is just as you can be born again of the True God , an individual can be born again of the devil that cannot be reversed an example Jesus Christ when speaking to in John 8:42-44 hes speaking to religious leaders and carefully look at what he says, your father the devil, that an incredible statement God showed him where they were coming from. Which is why he said you will die in your sin. Keep something in mind were talking about an action unforgivable.

I also believe Jesus Christ and God the Father to be two. Although one in each other. I do not see it ridiculous to say that. As Jesus Christ was born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. He is part God and part man like no other. No one comes to the Father but by Him. As I'm sure you know.

You can never be one with your wife as Christ is one with God. That is totally different. As Christ stating the words he spake are not of Himself but of the Father that dwelleth in Him. John 14:10 A husband and wife is not like that.

I'm not sure what you believe? Do you believe Jesus Christ was with God before the world was? As in:

John the baptist stating the Messiah existed before him John 1:15

The Word becoming flesh and dwelling among us as the only begotten of the Father John 1:14

Jesus stating "before Abraham was I am" John 8:58

Jesus stating the glory He had with the Father before the world was John 17:5

Norman, I just want to add another point to Adam's very good perception of "people wanting to believe what they want to believe". As we read of Jesus' Life & Ministry, we see that the Jewish religious leaders were never far away. Their sole objective was to discredit Jesus & to also keep the people from following this 'false teacher with strange doctrines & claims'. Not only did they have to protect their understanding of the Law, & of course their added rules & regulations thereby overburdening the people & compelling them to adhere to what they said, but they had to protect their own position & credibility. The matter of God's Word, of Truth or of the witness of Jesus' Life & Work before their eyes had little or no bearing as the other (more important) matters of 'their rules, their hold on people & their position in the eyes of the people' outweighed anything else.

So when we read of Jesus' full blown accusatory remarks against these "blind leaders of the blind" ( Matthew 15:14), He did well to describe them as "whited sepulchres", as "vipers", "hypocrites", "blind guides/fools", etc. This was not said by Jesus as snide remarks as to those who opposed Him, but as if speaking to workers from Satan, "children of the Devil" ( John 8:44), who did nothing for the Kingdom of God, but only served Satan, dragging many innocent people with them to hell. If in any group of people, whether in Islam, RC, the cults, etc., where the adherents are bound to their leaders or else face wrath & retribution, ought to be a clear demonstration of the fallacy of such a system & its great departure from the Truth.

So many began to follow Jesus by what they heard & saw of Him ( John 10:40-42), thereby opposing the Pharisaical teachings & no doubt facing their wrath, but also they followed the dictates of their consciences, of what they witnessed & the opening of their eyes by God's Spirit. Christ came to set men free in many more ways than we fully realize.

Not being proficient with the DSS, I have been able to find that in the DSS (in Scroll 4Q76, Minor Prophets), the word "sun" is NOT in capitals. I'm guessing that the translators capitalized the word as it referred primarily to God (as in Psalm 84:11; Isaiah 60:19,20). And by extension, 'Sun' could be applied to Jesus, ( Luke 1:76-79; John 8:12).

Maybe others with more information on this will contribute.

John 14:9; John 1:1,14; Isaiah 10:30; John 8:58; Colossians 2:9; 1 John 5:7.

Let's discuss sin. The main reason God sent his only begotten (special) Son Jesus into this world, was to save us from sin. St. John 3: 16-17, For God so loved the world, that He sent his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. What are we saved from? We can be saved from sin. Jesus is the light of the world. Verse 18: Every one that doeth evil hateth the light..." Verse 36. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

God is perfect, holy, loving, longsuffereing and excellent. Sin cannot and will not be in his presence. Jesus is perfect and he tells us in St. Matthew 5:48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect. When Jesus tells us to be perfect, he furnishes the Holy Ghost power for us to be perfect. Believe in Jesus, practice His doctrine of righteousness each and every day. We must exercise faith in God. Without faith it is impossible to please God. The Bible also tells us, "without faith we sin". We must sincerely love and trust God with all our mind, body, soul and strength.

Jesus told the adulterous woman, "Go in peace and sin no more." We are saved when we remove sin from our lives. St. Luke 14:33: ...There is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. Repentance is the key. We must stop sinning and live righteously. Every eye shall see Jesus, but none but the pure in heart shall see God. St. Luke 19:10: For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. We are lost without Christ in our lives.

St. John 8:24: ...Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. What is sin? It is trangressing the law of God. The ten commandments tells us what we cannot do. Ephesians 4:24...Put on the new man,

Most people even today are not free and they certainly were not in those days. In fact they are constantly in some kind of bondage about money, sex, various fears, death in particular and relationships with others. A sad and classic case was Howard Hughes who was very rich and an attractive man and yet our adversary got a hold of him and proceeded to turn him into a social cripple; further phobias were successively added by our enemy which wrecked his health and finally killed him. All this could have been avoided if he had known our Lord Jesus Christ because the bondages which I mention above all become irrelevant once we really know Him.

In the KJV, Son with a capital S pertains to the Word, in which Jesus is the Word made flesh. The Son of man. The Word of God.