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No Stacey. Esau, as his brother Jacob, were the offspring of Isaac & Rebekah. Satan does not bear physical children - He bears spiritual children, of which we all were once when we obeyed him rather than the living Holy God. When Jesus accused the religious leaders of their wickedness, He said that they were the children of the Devil ( John 8:44): not that the Devil was their physical father, but was their spiritual father as he filled them with his words & works of evil.

So Esau was Isaac's son but because of the deception by his brother Jacob & therefore missing out on the blessing from Isaac, Esau left the home, married foreign women, became wealthy & became the father of the Edomites, as also likely, the Kenizzites & Amalekites. Eventually, the brothers did reconcile (Genesis chapter 33), but it remained that Esau's progeny were never included in Jacob's line. Because Esau did what he did, does not give us any warrant to ever think of him as a product of some demonic relationship.

It only takes one to commit adultery. You'll have to reframe the question to get a correct answer.

It takes a male and a female to comite adultery. why wasn't the man brought forth to be stoned?

Didn't you take on the name of Christ when you were saved? If the answer is yes, then why would you not also take on the attribute to be sinless, to sin no more? In John 5:14 and John 8:11 Jesus tells man and woman to go and sin no more. Also note that Jesus taught that we will be known by our fruit, which is either good or evil. Matthew 7:16-20 here Jesus tells us that the tree will either be good or evil not both. Which are you, good or evil? If you still sin, you are evil.

Satan was not in Heaven. He was not cast out of Heaven anywhere in the Bible. He was not an angel of God ever. This presents us with a God that cannot control His angels, nor can He actually save us from sin if you still commit sin after being saved. Let's consider something here. A person knows he's sinned, he feels convicted of it. He then repents and asks God to forgive his sins. By faith it is done. The sins he used to do is forgiven and forgotten. Now since God is more than fair to us all, let's reverse things. The man that was saved commits sin. He is no longer saved because he repented, changed his mind is part of repentance. His life of salvation is now forgotten. That is how this works. You are not saved and sin too. Yes I know there is the 2nd work to be done called sanctification that a person that is currently saved from sin can ask God to remove his carnal nature and clean his spiritual heart and to fill it with the Holy Ghost. Now that person is truly free from all committed and inherited sins. But he does not go about still committing sin or he is lost still.

Question: if you are saved and yet commit sin, when do you stop sinning? When you enter the Kingdom of God? If yes, then the Kingdom of God is here now for you to enter. Come to the Church Of God, a church building where the saved do not say they're saved and yet sin.

So again the question, do you claim salvation and still sin? You as the tree are either good or evil not both. Saved or sinner. Only two choices.

John 8:58 is clearly NOT referring to the I AM of Ex 3:14. The authors used the Septuagint Greek translation of Exodus where the I AM that Moses is told to say has sent him is not Ego Eimi (I am) but rather O on(The Eternal one). Jesus is not claiming nor has he ever claimed to be YHWH who was THE I AM sending Moses.

In Job Chapter 1 and 2, Satan challenged the LORD regarding Job:

And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. ( Job 2:4-6)

In John 8:44 Jesus said, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Perhaps if the LORD had not restrained Satan, he would have murdered Job. God had a better end in mind for Job after his trial, at the end of the book.

Divorce is adultery in the bible. I have been divorced and remarried and believe Jesus Christ has the power to forgive my sins. I believe Jesus Christ has the power to forgive any sin because he is judge. As long as we repent in sincerity and do not continue in the sins we have repented for. I believe divorced people can go to heaven but thats between you and the Lord. Pray to him repent and ask for guidance.

Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

John 8:2-11

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The sin of the Christian Church is it's refusal to say Jesus is it's God, the very one who made us and keeps us alive. Jesus said it like this in John 8:24: "You are from below; I am not. That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am who I say I am, you will die in your sins."

John says it like this in John in John 1:1, "... and he was God." And Thomas said to Jesus in John 20:28: "My Lord and my God."

Then Jesus said to Thomas, "You are blessed because you have seen me, but more blessed are those who haven't seen me but believe anyway."

As you can see then, Jesus is our God, the one who came and died for the sins of the world, even if the Christian Church wont say so. And this is a sad commentary on the human race. This means that, even today, we we are ignoring the clear warning David gives us in Psalm 14: "Only the fool says in his heard that (Jesus) is not God." And David is a man after Jesus' own heart."

See, David is preaching the Gospel ahead of time, long before it took place, that the Lord he knew as YHWH God in the Old Testament is the New Testament Jesus. This is why David says in verse 7: "Oh that salvation would come from Mount Zion and rescue Israel. For when the Lord rescues his people they will shout for joy." And salvation did come from Mount Zion, for this is the place where Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins.

So this is my proclamation: Jesus is the One True God, all others are false.

See, God is a single being/a single person like us. He has to be if we are made in his image. The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us.

In other words he speaks to us like this: "I am Jesus," "The Father sent me," "Receive ye the Holy Spirit."

Stay Safe,

Rev. Autrey

I have read through a lot of the post made here and most everything

you all have stated is outright incorrect.

Very little of it is in the truth of God.

For example if you commit a sin you are a servant to sin.

There is no exceptions to it. NONE!

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Do you believe the children of God commit sin and are the servants of sin?

If you do then not only are you a child of the devil but you are a deceived child of the devil.

And if you willfully commit a sin there is sacrifice for it.

There is no exceptions to it. NONE!

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,

there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Do you believe the children of God commits sin willfully after that they have received the knowledge of the truth?

If you do then not only are you a child of the devil but you are a deceived child of the devil.

And if you sin you do not have the Holy Spirit.

You have the unholy spirit.

Hence why they call it the Holy Spirit for it is HOLY!

Sin is not HOLY!

Born Again Sinners

Disobedient Believers of God

The Christian world is full of them. What do you think is going to happen to them in the end?

If it were possible would any of you want to cease from committing any sin?

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

SO WHY ARE YOU STILL CONTINUING IN YOUR SINS?

The Lord Jesus Christ is absolutely the greatest emancipator:

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. ( John 8:32)

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. ( John 8:36)

The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. ( Psalm 18:2)

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.( Luke 4:18-19)

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ( Romans 8:2)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. ( Galatians 5:1)

Hello. If you truly care about him. Along with him saying he would listen to you about God. What I would say or start with is: "Why does he worship satan and where did he learn about him from"? As this could have come to him in many ways like music, family, trend, etc. Then just try to tell him the truth that satan does not care about him or anyone but himself. The devil knows he is already damned and just wants to destroy as many lives as he can. Here are a couple Bible verses I looked up showing that satan is the enemy and is already damned.

Matthew 4:1-10 , Jesus being tempted by him in the desert.

John 16:11 , the devil(prince of this world) has already been judged

Revelation 12:7-9 , satan being cast down to earth

Revelation 20:1-15 , satan cast into the lake of fire

Jude 1:6-9 , fallen angels and Michael Archangel contending with devil

John 8:44 , devil is the father of lies

Galatians 5:19-21 , lusts of the flesh(what the devil wants people to do)

Along with the others who responded to you. All else I can really say is be careful. Pray to our Father and Jesus Christ to lead you. Maybe try to read through the Bible with him. Show him that Jesus Christ is the only way. He may turn from satan or you may have to leave him. You will be in my prayers. God Bless.

Rob, I'm not sure which version of the Bible you use but have a read of John 10:32-38 again, just to clarify what blasphemy is & what Jesus was accused of being.

And when you get to verse 36, consider, "of whom (Jesus) the Father hath sanctified & SENT into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" So, if one needs to be a stickler on the definition of Son of God as being a Son from birth only & not 'out of God's Being', another can then correctly say that Jesus was SENT into the world; why should Jesus use the word 'sent' as if He came from somewhere to go somewhere? Wouldn't it be more correct then to say, 'The Father hath specially created me to be born at Bethlehem & gave me a special ministry & finally to given my life for the world'?

And while we're examining the Scriptures, what about John 8:56-58? Abraham rejoicing to see "his day"! Are you so mad to say that you've seen Abraham? the Jews retorted. "Even before Abraham existed, I AM". Again, notice Jesus' choice of words to describe Himself.

And Colossians 1:15-17? "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him". That whole passage cited, is speaking of Jesus, not God.

Do even these few portions of Scripture cause us to think that we have here, Someone Who is more than a separate creation born into the world to fulfil God's Plans. Someone who was involved in the creation of all things, visible & invisible, One existing before Abraham & One even sent by God from somewhere to somewhere (the World)? I know that you are well aware of these Scriptures, but I remain perplexed as to how some other interpretation can be given other than understood as read.

i like to thanks you guys for healing our souls with your daily versers

Jesus says I am the light of the world. The influences of mankind and the effects of it, however Good or evil they may be! Here is one who words will open the hearts and minds conquering what man fears the most! Sin , death, and hell itself. Unlike us who would take credit for what we might contribute to the world, we see a man who glorifies not himself ,but who glorifies His Father that has sent Him! Christ, once again divides the darkness from the light, with the words "I am the light of the world". When we except Christ and His word, only then will we begin to know what the Father has for those that love Him! Growing in the faith of his love will conquer anything imaginable ,anything you or I could think or contribute to ourselves or anyone.

Satan's power in the MIND of man is limited to the lies and deceptions that he can get us to believe. If we are on guard for the enemy's attacks and if we refuse to let any of the enemy's lies and deceptions remain in our MIND, then Satan has no power over us. If we, both Christian and non-Christian, permit Satan to build false strongholds in our MIND, he gains considerable power over us, and the sad part of deception is that it is very hard for the person who is deceived to believe that they are deceived, so START early casting out the enemy's fiery darts of thoughts before they grow into deceptions and the deceptions grow into a stronghold.

Tearing down strongholds

For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ ( 2 Corinthians 10:4-5). This verse says a great deal. We have weapons, we are in warfare, our war is not against our loved ones, but against the devil. We are told that it is our war and "we" are to initiate the attack, not God. And our weapons are not of this world, but are God's "divine power" and AUTHORITY, to use God's power to destroy the devil's strongholds and arguments in a person, so that the light of the truth may come in.

Take up the sword of the Word and in His divine power, tear down those strongholds. Jesus said to His disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free ( John 8:32).

Bind up the enemy against your mind. In Jesus Name cast the evil spirit into outer darkness. If it's friends bug you, say I do not receive your lies! In Jesus Name! I always remind them they are going to hell.

The Word of God in your mouth, is a weapon; a sword.

You're going to hear a miracle. Silence.

Mishael

As we can see in Genesis 1, the earth and darkness(sky) and waters were existed even though there's no mention that God had created them. Thus, the creation of the heavens and the earth in verse 1 let us know that God re-created the heavens and the earth when they already had existed.

If the light of the first day was the sun, what's the sun of the fourth day(the greater light, Gen 1:16)? And the evening and the morning were the first day, how could there be the morning before the sun was created of the fourth day? Thus it doesn't make sense if we interpret the light literally. The Light that God searched on earth was the pastor who had the word of truth and whom God was pleased with(ref. Jeremiah 3:15). Jesus said, 'I have come as a light into the world ( John 12:46),' "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.( John 8:12)." And God said about Jesus who is the light, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!"

God chooses a pastor to light up the darkness. Darkness means ignorant spirit(ref. 1 Thessalonians 5:48). There was only darkness before the light was existed on the first day. However, the light, the pastor who had the word of truth appeared, and the truth and untruth were divided. Just as natural light divides darkness and light, night and day.

When there are full of dark spirits due to ignorance, choosing a possessor of truth as light is the first thing that God does when He starts re-creation. God chose pastors whom He was pleased with( Jeremiah 3:15), such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, and He was with them and created new world.

It doesn't matter with any specific fruit species on the sixth day What we can know is that God gave the people He created, every herb that yields seed and tree whose fruit yields seed as food. Thus people became the lord of the creation and heir of God's work.

May it be the joyous journey for you!

Hi David W Black,

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I agree that Cain inherited his sinful nature from Adam. Before Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good & evil they knew no sin because they were made in the image of God. It was only after they ate from the tree that they new good & evil.

Jesus is our role model on how we [should] live. [If] it was [impossible] for us to [sin no more] then Jesus wouldn't of commanded us to [do] it.

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: [sin no more], lest a worse thing come unto thee.

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and [sin no more].

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we [keep] his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

John 15:10 [If] ye [keep] my commandments, ye [shall] abide in my love; even as I have [kept] my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, [if] we [keep] his commandments.

Leviticus 22:31 Therefore shall ye [keep] my commandments, and [do] them: I am the LORD.

John 14:15 [If] ye love me, [keep] my commandments.

Leviticus 26:3 [If] ye walk in my statutes, [and keep] my commandments, and [do] them;

Numbers 15:40 That ye may remember, and [do] [all] my commandments, and [be holy] unto your God.

Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, [and keep all] my commandments [always], that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!



Proverbs 7:2 [Keep] my commandments, and [live]; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto [thousands] of them that [love me], [and keep] my commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:10 And shewing mercy unto [thousands] of them that [love me] [and keep] my commandments.

Deuteronomy 11:27 A blessing, [if] ye [obey] the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day.

Satan's power

Satan's power in the Mind Of Man is limited to the lies and deceptions that he can get us to believe. If we are on guard for the enemy's attacks and if we refuse to let any of the enemy's lies and deceptions remain in our mind, then Satan has no power over us. If we, both Christian and non-Christian, permit Satan to build false strongholds in OUR MIND, he gains considerable power over us, and the sad part of deception is that it is very hard for the person who is deceived to believe that they are deceived, so start early casting out the enemy's fiery darts of thoughts before they grow into deceptions and the deceptions grow into a stronghold. Ephesians 6

Tearing down strongholds:

For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ ( 2 Corinthians 10:4-5). This verse says a great deal. We have weapons, we are in warfare, our war is not against our loved ones, but against the devil. We are told that it is our war and "we" are to initiate the attack, not God. And our weapons are not of this world, but are God's "divine power" and authority to use God's power to destroy the devil's strongholds and arguments in a person, so that the light of the truth may come in.

Take up the sword of the Word and in His divine power, tear down those strongholds. Jesus said to His disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free ( John 8:32).

From me: it's ok to get hopping mad at Satan and launch some heavy scriptures at Him. Resist the Devil and he must flee!!

Cast out the demons into outer darkness and the ask God if you can have angelic support? Make sure your home is "idol free". Ask the Holy Spirit to do a walk through with you. I'll be in the Questions Room. Mishael

This is literally mansions the Lord Jesus is talking about. Jesus is talking here. He even said "if it were not so, I would have told you." God is always true with His word and God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfil? - Number 23:19

When the Lord says I am free then I am free. For He says, "So if the Son sets you free you will be free indeed." - John 8:36

That's why Paul says, "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace." - Ephesians 1:7

Why can't we believe a God who chose to die for the sins of many so we can attain the life everlasting? It could have been us who should be on that cross but no. Because of His richness in grace and mercy "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us". - Romans 5:8

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord - Romans 6:23

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him - 2 Corinthians 5:21

God chose to love us even we are unlovable. We are wretched people and we need a saviour cause there is no good in us; No one is righteous, no! not one. - Romans 3:10

What shall it profit me if I gained the whole world and lose my own soul? - Mark 8:36

It is better for me to be in His courts than a thousand anywhere else! I would rather be a gatekeeper in the house of my God than live the good life in the homes of the wicked - Psalms 84:10

For it is appointed for men, us, to die once but after this is judgment.

Death is real. Hell is real.

That's why God sent Jesus once and for all to die for many once. He is not going to do it again.

That is why we need a Saviour. We can only be saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

Are you ready to receive Him?

Romans 3:4

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Proverbs 17:4

A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.

1 John 5:10

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth NOT... God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the TRUTH, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Proverbs 30:6

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

John 14:6

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through ME.

1 John 4:6

We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the SPIRIT OF ERROR.

Mishael: Don't try to reason with a witch. This is what they do: cause chaos.

It is very true. Man was created to live for ever with God. And that, is the Immortality that Jesus The Christ promises all those who imitate Him;

"I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live for ever;

and the bread that I shall give is my flesh, for the life of the world.'" John 6:51-51

"In all truth I tell you, whoever keeps my word will never see death." John 8:51-51

"Let anyone who can hear, listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches: for those who prove

victorious will come to no harm from the second death." Rev 2:11-11

Great verses Bendito. The Lord gave me John 8:58 this morning & then I found your comment confirming the preciousness of that Scripture. Even the Lord's use of "I am" should give us a clear instance of Jesus' declaration of divinity.

Speaking of Jesus:

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. ( Micah 5:2)

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. ( John 8:58)

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ( John 14:9)

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ( 2 Corinthians 5:19)

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. ( Colossians 1:14-17)

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ( Colossians 2:8-9)

If you continue in my word..

Sadly the greatest sermon given by our Messiah Yeshua Jesus of Nazareth goes ignored as commands

Each command honors the one command given to Adam in the Garden of Eden (clarified Gen 3;22)

Yet like Yeshuas commands, Adams sin goes ignored&unrepented

(This is not by accident)

If you love me you will obey me "then" my father will love you because he loves me and will make his home in you!

Let those who hear, hear the word of God..

Don't be deceived whom you obey is your Lord&God!

Why call me Lord and not do as I command?

John

Christ spent the night in the mount of Olives. He has indeed no where to lay his head, the animals have more comfort than he has. The church , not unlike today wants nothing more than to take away Christs diety. They will do anything to discredit the life of Christ and his universal judgment of sin. He has this authority given to him by His Father .These who would use the sin of others , who by the way , was no coincidence, of being found in adultery. If in fact these

judgmenters knew these couples sin could have more than once before judged them already , but would not for who what reasons? As said Christ ,"He who is without sin among you"? Christ has well pronounced them as liars. And they are as their fathers. Just the way they laid it out there for Christ, Christ gave it right back at them! WITH AUTHORITY!

I would like to share that I believe that this is one of the most misused scriptures in the Bible. We as believers in Jesus Christ are under the New Covenant of Grace and not the Old Covenant according to the Law of Moses.

Malachi was an Old Testament prophet and the Lord used him to speak to the Israelites, not to the Gentiles. The Israelites were not honoring the Covenant of God. The storehouse was the place I believe in the Temple of God, where the people were supposed to bring the tithes and offerings (their produce or food) to support the Levites, who were given the office of the Levitical Priesthood.

I suggest that you study the book of Leviticus, where God commanded the tithe. The tithe was instituted by God to teach the children of Israel to put God first.

It is a principle that we follow as New Testament believers to honor the Lord by our love and devotion to Him, not out of fear of being cursed. Proverbs 3:9

The New Testament tells us that Jesus became a curse for us: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one who hangeth on a tree." Galatians 3:13

I encourage you to develop a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher and the One who has been sent to lead us and guide us into all truth.

Is it possible that you have purchased an unreliable automobile, and not that you are under a curse because of how your car runs? I pray that you will receive deliverance from hearing the truth. Jesus said "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32

This means a spiritual or metaphorical father, not a birth or literal father. What's interesting is in the same verse in John 8:44 if you notice at the end satan is also called the 'father of lies'. So, does that mean he literally gives birth to them and a lie baby comes out? Nope, it's a metaphor. Just like when Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood he didn't mean to literally engage in cannibalism.

Hi Lynn,

I noticed you didn't cite any Bible verses to back up your belief, so where does this belief come from? Did a church pastor tell you this or how did you come to such a conclusion that "If a person kills/murders another deliberately, that is a crime, not a sin... "

Is God ok with ALL sin then? Fornication or adultery is not illegal, so if someone wants to commit that tonight, are you saying that God is ok with that and it isn't a sin? If so, where in the Bible does it support this idea?

As you may know, Satan is the father of lies. He deceives people, including Christians to get people to justify sin and turn from Jesus. So, one of us is incorrect, because truth is not relative. There's only 1 truth. So, if Satan deceived one of us, which is more likely, that satan would deceive a Christian into being more obedient to God than he needs to (how awful), or that satan deceives a Christian into believing that sin is ok, and good, and there's nothing wrong with following the world and committing evil, because it's already forgiven. Which of those 2 things is most likely satan's choice to deceive a Christian?

I have prayed about this and 100% disagree with what you said, have a mountain of scripture to back it up, and have prayed and asked God to know the truth and I believe with all my heart that murder is a sin, fornication is sin, adultery is a sin, cursing is sin. The 2 greatest commandments from Jesus you claimed that 'replaced' the moral law did replace it, but added to it and made it even MORE restrictive and HARDER to follow. Example Matthew 5:28.Let me ask this- are you 100% following Jesus's 2 commands? How do you know if you're truly loving God with all your heart, soul and mind? Wouldn't obeying God's law and avoiding sin be a part of loving Him? 1 John 1:8, John 8:34. How about loving your neighbor as yourself. Have you done this 100% perfectly all your life? If you are without sin then are you better than Jesus? 1 John 4:20, Romans 3:23.

Friend that is where you're wrong. Jesus saves from sins in the past only. If you're sinning presently, you did not get saved by God the Creator nor by His Son Jesus. And you won't need saved from future sins if you were saved and stopped the sin business. There is where false religion has failed. If you say you are a Christian, then listen to what Jesus told a man and then a woman in John.

John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." Jesus says here "Sin no more"

John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." And again here, "Sin no more". There's no room for big or little sin in sin no more.

So if Jesus told both man and woman to sin no more, how much sin can you and I do after salvation? NONE.

Jesus is bigger and more powerful than the sinning Christian experience, the get saved every night at your bedside experience, or the once saved always saved experience.

Here is what Jeremiah records that God said on false ministry:

Jeremiah 23:21, 22

"I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings."

Any preacher that teaches you cannot be saved from is a liar and God did not send him or her. If the preacher teaches of a god that is too weak to save you from sin, they are teaching about a false god.

So again I'll ask what I did earlier that has yet to be answered; If you could stop sinning, would you? If you say no, then you told on yourself that you'd rather sin. If you say yes, then why haven't you stopped the sin business? If you are going to spend an eternity with God in His Heaven, you stop the sin now. If you excuse sin, it tells us you aren't right in your heart.

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat

She has her eyes on death but sees the tree good for food.

Genesis 2:17

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Genesis 2:18

"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

God wants good for man.

John 8:23



"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

James 1:17

King James Version

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Ephesians 1:18

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Proverbs 4:20-27.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 | View Chapter | Context

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."