Discuss John 8 Page 2

  • Momsage - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Acts 2: 1-4

    "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." (This blessing was meant for the church, then and always.)

    Acts 19: 1-7

    "And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain DISCIPLES. He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve." These men weren't part of the upper room gathering or they would already been filled with the Holy Ghost.

    John 8:11b

    "And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and SIN NO MORE and:

    John 5:14, "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: SIN NO MORE, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

    So what do the scriptures tell us that sin is?

    1 John 3:4

    "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
  • Bennymkje - 10 months ago
    Luke 12: 14 "Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?" (1 of 2)

    Here we have question and it is asked by Jesus who is the fulfillment of the Law. The quarrel over inheritance on the basis of the Law of Moses did not interest him. Moses himself could have supplied his bitter experience. He had tried to intervene in the quarrel of his fellowmen and what was the result? "And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known."(Ex.2:14). His own hands were not clean, enough. Jesus knew no sin and did no sin so he could have cast the first stone on man who transgressed according to the law. " He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."( John 8:7)

    Jesus was among as the Word made flesh to prove that the Law was doable and not dabble in the justice system that only dealt with one world. As the Law that he represented covered both worlds, the present and the worlds to come. So he stood outside their petty squabbles over wealth which was 'other man's riches' meaning it was devil's business.

    One may ask Does God condone capital punishment?

    All Authority come from God. "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God./ Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." Those who are in power are themselves subject to God.

    Law of sin is not from God. Man chose knowledge of good and evil over the commandment of God so he is servant to sin from the greatest to the lowest. So whatever name one calls, President or Caesar are servants to sin and their laws are accordingly sinful. Rather than ask if capital punishment is good or bad, ask yourself under what law you come: under the Law of the Spirit or under law of sin? (Ro.8:1)"
  • Bennymkje - 10 months ago
    Psalm 23:4 "Christian Living" (1 of 2)

    "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me."

    Testimony of Jesus shows how we should view "the emptying process" (kenosis). "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."( John 8:29). God sent his only begotten Son to the world. God cannot deny himself. Holiness of God is the Law so when the Word become flesh he showed he was faithful and true witness as his Father did."I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me."(v.18). This ought to explain whu the Holy Spirit has used 'only begotten' Son instead of 'created'. As Son his position as a witness can stand alone for 'I and my Father are one' is true.(John10:30). Secondly as 'the Word was with God' the sign given by Isaiah validates Word becoming flesh is validated by the Power of God. The Word has both sound (the voice of the Lord and also a sign or symbol. In giving the sign of Jonah he validates his birth being according to scriptures. He took baptism under John in order to witness that he pleased his Father. "and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:/And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matt.3:16-17)

    "For thou art with me" is the confession of a believer who has emptied himself off the advantages of the flesh so he falls upon the many promises of the Father which in the Son is yea. St Paul gives his confession,"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,"(Ph.3:8) He that has the Son has the Father as well.

    Mount Zion is part of the World of the Spirit (Is.28:16). It cast its long shadow.
  • Chris - In Reply - 10 months ago
    So it appears Oseas, that you prefer to lean to your own extra-biblical beliefs rather than the pure unadulterated Word of God. I use God's Word, the Bible that we have in our hands, & in spite of that, you claim that those words are devilish. So who's in greater danger? For this reason, you continue to avoid my questions & incorrectly exegete from the Word of God, simply because your true colors will be revealed. So, in your warning to me, I would suggest that you seriously look at your claims against the Word of God, Jesus' Own Words, and not mine or anyone else's.

    Jesus' accusation against the Jews & their father being the devil ( John 8:40-44) was because they refused to believe His Words & had set about to kill Him - nothing at all to do with the Names Jesus used and gave of God to the people (i.e. Names: God, Father, Lord). The Names of God in the Bible are true & valid Names (whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek), that God Himself revealed ( Exodus 6:3, Exodus 3:15), which those of the OT referred to, that Christ proclaimed, & spoke of & believed upon by His followers. Your agenda in this matter is dubious & malicious against the Holy Name of God & His Christ, when you say that the glorious Name of Yahweh, which was given to Israel, is of the devil.

    And it's pointless referring to Isaiah 9:6 (if you're suggesting that Jesus (or the Word) is the Name of God - a matter you avoid clarifying), when many Scriptures throughout the NT show to us that the God of Heaven is still seated on the Throne, to Whom Jesus prayed, the people were pointed to, & to Whom Jesus ascended now seated at His right Hand. Please study the Scriptures fully, rightly dividing the Word, believing the Word, then we might have a true foundation for discussion.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Chris,

    You say "JESUS used the NAMES you have listed here in your prior posts speaking with His disciples or the people", but it is not true, it's fake of course. Actually you are stealthy preaching a false interpretation, your preaching is not different such it occurred in ancient event- Genesis 3:1-,a stumbling block for them which unfortunatelly may come to "eat" from you false testimony- Matthew 15:19.

    The Word of GOD says not what you are saying. Now, now, the Word is GOD Himself, and He has only one NAME, ONLY AND ONLY ONE NAME,and His only NAME is not any of those which you have surreptitiously listed here as NAMES of GOD. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock- Genesis 3:1-, not from GOD's perspective- Matthew 16:23.

    DIALOGUE BETWENN THE JEWS AND JESUS-Jo.8-41-45KJV

    41 - The Jews said unto JESUS: We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

    42-44 -> 42 -JESUS said to the Jews:- If GOD were your Father ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God;neither came I of myself, but he sent me. (If??? hum!)

    43 - JESUS said to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? 44- JESUS openly and emphaticaly said to the Jews: Ye are of your father the Devil.

    Every names you have listed are NAMES of the God of the Jews, NAMES od their father (as they said he is- John 8:41). But JESUS claried unto them their father is the Devil, whose NAMES you listed before:

    By the way, in Re.12:9, JESUS said:And the great Dragon(the red Dragon)was (will be)cast out, that old serpent,called the Devil,and Satan,which deceiveth the whole world:he was cast out into the earth,and his messengers were cast out with him.

    By the way,"red Dragon" is the new name of the Devil in this current time of Apocalypse.

    Isa.9:6-For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His NAME shall be called THE MIGHTY GOD -JESUS-, Wonderful, Counsellor, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
  • Chris - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Thanks for your response Oseas. Actually, what I did present was that "Yahweh" IS seen elsewhere in the Word. In John 8:44, Jesus is deriding the Jews for holding onto lies instead of believing Jesus' Words of Truth to them; this verse doesn't suggest that Satan initiated these supposed lies of the Names of God - here was Satan playing with their minds & hearts against Christ & not against what was written in the Word of God, which even Satan cannot deny. So we cannot assume that the 'father of lies' has forced upon us these 'false' Names of God; what we do need to do to prove it, is to ascertain if the original writings didn't have these Names. So far, we have gone back to the CJB & Tanakh: would there be any older genuine Hebraic writings available to us that show us differently? If not, we simply can't speculate or assume, for that in itself would lead us in error.

    Re: Exodus 6:2,3. As I re-read it again, I believe that God Himself is telling Moses (& all who read His Word), that His Name is Jehovah but this Name was not known to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. They knew Him as "God Almighty" (El Shaddai: the Almighty God) as seen in Genesis 17:1:

    "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".

    God here in Exodus is stating Who He is to His people under this special Covenant. If you believe that this is not what God said, then I can't go further with it, because I read it with plain understanding. All I can see, is that these names, which you find detestable & demonic, are Hebrew words of God showing Himself in His fullness. But where we have God's compound Names (e.g. Jehovah-Jireh/Ropheka/Nissi/Shalom/Sabaoth/and others) these I will admit are Names that are given when Israel saw their God at Work in their presence but most certainly NOT Satan-inspired names. If anything is debatable or problematic, then we need to search for proof.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Greetings Chris

    What matters and prevails is the Truth,GOD is Truth,and the Truth is only One,The Word Himself is GOD.

    You just confirmed by quoting that in original source of Scriptures there is not Yahweh(see,Satan is behind this name,and in his devilish strategy he introduce himself in short as a demonic tetragram YHWH),but the point is also Jehovah,this is another name of the father of the Jews,the father of lie- John 8:44-says it be GOD's name.

    But the Devil,father of the Jews,as my Lord JESUS said- John 8:44- father of the lie,he invented another names,you just brings more one fictitious name of GOD invented by the man of sin-the Devil-it is ADONAI,the Devil as a God.Those which invoke Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, Adonai.among other fictitious names given by Satan to my GOD,father of JESUS, in fact they are invoking the Devil, CAN YOU SEE? This miscellany/ hodgepodge of names invented by the Devil as if they were names of GOD is a satanic strategy to replace or to erase he NAME of JESUS. Now, the command of the Lord JESUS is to cast down the Devil from heaven to the bottomless pit, chaining him with a great chain. The dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan will be chained and threw into the bottomless pit, locked and sealed, so that he could not deceive the nations no more.

    Exodus 6:2,3(KJV),CJB and Tanack:

    The Word, GOD Himself, GOD in Person,He never said His name is Jehovah,and ADONAI,and YHWH,and Yahweh, among other names.In fact Satan invented the names trying to corrupt the Holy Scriptures, the true Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?You can see how the Devil, the father of the Jews, father of the lie,has corrupted the original Scriptures through corrupted translations,the Devil always corrupted the nation of Israel through his false prophets and with his idolatries and sorceries, and has also done the same within the Church of my Lord JESUS sowing his tares. The time now is of harvest. Get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    Adam

    I repeated the original evidence because there is not greater EVIDENCE than the everlasting Word of GOD, is there? The Word is GOD, the invisible, the Omnipotent, and Omniscient and Omnipresent GOD, for me it is He Who is "the Strong's identifier". The Word is self-executing / executable because the Word is GOD, understand? Psalm 33:9 - He -the Word- spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.

    Yes,I stated that the added name Jehovah(a demonic name of Satan)is not in the original Scriptures as being GOD,Father of my Lord JESUS, but as Lucifer,the son of perdition,father of the Jews as said my Lord JESUS- John 8:44-,transfigured as God- Isaiah 14 combined with 2Thes.2:2-3 among other biblical references, and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:14. Be careful, for Satan is wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that can be hidden from him, understand? How can the believers fight against the devilish traps and strategies of the Devil if are not knowing so well the depths of Satan?

    You said that If I think there's holes,how am I believe and trust the rest of it and where I draw the line,so I must say that the

    limit of the line is in Genesis 2:16-17 and 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:23.Take a look.By the way,his throat is an open sepulchre

    You said that I'm using a different translation, and asked so how I know its more accurate and not less accurate.Well,well, I used and am using the same source you used to quote Isaiah 12:1-2,right? Tell me:What Scripture is more accurate?The original Hebrew Scriptures,or the copies of the Hebrew Scriptures that were transcribed in a lot and different translations?

    Furthermore, answer your question if I have any more evidence, so let me ask: Is there evidence more truer than the true Word of GOD? The evidence is the Word of GOD. The testimony of GOD is greater.

    As you know,the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting,the Word is GOD
  • Oseas - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Greetings is Christ JESUS

    Adam

    As you know, the Bible is about two Covenants- The OT and NT.

    What we are commenting is about the OT, not about the NT, for there is not that NAME or nickname in the NT. Remember: You quoted Isaiah 12:1-2.

    Isaiah 16:-1-2 in the OT -Nevin'im(Prophets) Yeshayahu(Isaiah) is written as follow:

    1 And you shall say on that day, I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me, may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.

    2 Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation.

    In fact that name was added in the translations inadvertently, but the name you have mentioned it is not the only fictitious name or nickname added in the OT (not added in the Bible as a whole-OT&NT), there are several others: I have listed YHWH, Yahweh, Yehovah,Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, Jehovah, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the father of the Jews- John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:3-4.

    JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:6 - I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: ... -->What's NAME?)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 10 months ago
    "I don't believe that the Pope is speaking for God allowing for same sex marriages and the Pope isn't great, matter of fact I believe the the Pope is Satan himself." I don't believe he speaks for God either and, indeed, he personifies Satan himself. I was being factious. I left Catholicism too when I left my Catholic home at 18. I couldn't stand it and was so relieved when it was in my past.

    I don't know exactly what you mean when you say "and have been searching for a long time for the "true" religion." "True religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:7. Because you are a true believer, God is in your heart, soul and mind. You belong to God. Those who are true believers are The Church of God, sometimes called the Kingdom of God. You are a part of the Body of Christ. This is your religion. James is saying if you love God you will show His love unconditionally, but especially to the needy and keep yourself holy. If you wonder how you can "keep unspotted in the world" do this - read Exodus 20: 1-17. These are the ten commandments of God-not laws-commandments written by God Himself. "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5: 3 and Jesus said: "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew 11:30. Some Christians teach a Sinning/Christian doctrine but this is false. We may have weakness and faults as a true believer. These are not sins. When we are born again we are not "perfect", of course, but God helps us overcome these weaknesses and faults by maturing in Him but we are to "go and sin no more." John 8: 3-11/ 11- ....... And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." I know I have been preaching :) and if I have presumed things about you that are wrong please forgive me, I just want to help if I can. God Bless :) I hope you will respond.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    Dearest Adam

    The Word is GOD the Father, around 2000 years ago He was made flesh in the womb of a virgin(For with GOD nothing is impossible), and the NAME that GOD chose for He Himself was JESUS, understand? Acts 4:11-12:->11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    Yes indeed, GOD the Father also hath highly exalted JESUS, and given Him a NAME which is above every name: Ph.2:9 KJV

    In fact, JESUS or JOSHUA is the only NAME of GOD, and it is above every name.

    You asked: Even above Jehovah? Well, well, who is Jehovah? Jehovah is the name of the father of the Jews, don't you know? It is what JESUS, the own GOD made flesh, said to the Jews: John 8:44-45

    But Jeovah is not the only name of the father of the Jews. They invented several names for their god mainly in the modern world. In antiquity there were several names of god, to this day there is even the star of the god Remphan on the flag of the current esoteric and kabbalist and spiritualist Israel(the star of David has nothing to do with the current witchkraft of the Jews), whose country to this day is full of idolatries and sorcery, the holy city today is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.

    By the way, in the begining of October 2023, I posted here to GIANNIS saying to him that YHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh, Yehovah, Elohim, Adonai, HaShem, Yahusha, YEHshia, YEHvah, these names are not NAMES of GOD, quite the opposite, all these names listed are strictly the names of the Devil, or NICKNAMES of Devil.

    I don't quite understand why people lend credence to Kabbalistic and esoteric, and spiritists sources to speculate GOD's NAME. Think about it. Tares will now be cast into the fire to be burned for everlasting time.

    Be careful and get ready to meet JESUS- Matthew 25:6-13

    GOD BLESS
  • Chris - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Page 2. Ronald

    True, we may not conclusively know the Form He took in Heaven, whether as the Word within God's Person (just as the Spirit in God was sent out), or as another Form outside of God yet closely connected to Him. The issue here is, whether Jesus existed (in some Form) prior to His appearing on Earth. If not, what do we do with such verses as given here? Can we really reinterpret them in any other way? Is that even possible? And we could add Micah 5:2 (a coming Ruler not going forth from Bethlehem, but from eternity), John 3:13 (Who was in Heaven, coming down from Heaven), John 6:38 (come from Heaven), John 8:56-58 (Jesus existed even before Abraham), Philippians 2:5-11 (His equality with God, but laid it aside to come & serve man), & Hebrews 1:1-3 (through Jesus God made the worlds).

    I've understood your comments on Jesus' Life & Death as per His earthly sojourn. But unless we can understand Who this Jesus really is (i.e. whether a Creation of God to fulfil His Plans on Earth, or God Himself, He Who was from the beginning), then the substance of this Mystery can never be resolved. That is why textual examination is so important, especially when we can see other Scriptures that confirm our understanding. I apologize for not referring to your other comments (e.g. the soul/spirit, firstborn, etc), but wanted to keep this short & focus on Jesus before His appearance on Earth. GBU.
  • Adam - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Hi RLW,

    Thanks for the clarification. If we already discussed this months or years ago I just don't remember, so thank you for explaining. I have a better idea of what you meant now. I'm glad you're a Christian.

    My comment didn't have much to do with baptism but your comment did and it seems you were making a distinction between Matthew 28:19 and examples in the Bible where people were baptized. I would have to review to know what if anything was mentioned as being said.

    I don't believe people have to believe in a Godhead to be saved. I think you were thinking that was a requirement. I don't believe this is a salvation issue, but just trying to understand the Bible and arrive at the truth. I believe that is the goal here.

    You wrote: "Now in many churches, a person must believe in the Trinity for salvation, and if they do not confess the Trinity, they are not a Christian."

    In the last 50 years or more I've attended many different Christian church denominations and I've never once heard of anyone saying you must believe in a trinity to be saved. Are you sure that is what someone said? This not what typical Christians believe. Can you give an example of what specific Christian church denomination and location or if it was just one person who said this?

    I once went to a Calvary Chapel where the guy gave a sermon that said if you don't vote for Obama then you're not a Christian. But I knew enough to know that guy was wacko and his cult beliefs did not represent others in the calvary chapel or in Christianity. It's a common logical fallacy to generalize an entire group of people for one individuals actions or beliefs. What's ironic is Obama is a muslim and pro-abortion, which is a very anti-Christian belief.

    But as for not believing Jesus is God. If John 1:1 said and the Word was NOT God, then I would find this belief more credible, but it says the opposite. Jesus is the Word: Revelation 19:13. He's also the I AM: John 8:58, Exodus 3:14.
  • Oseas - 11 months ago
    continuation

    4th point:

    Yes, we need to be spiritually awaked, as you said, for the bridegroom is coming and we need to go out to meet Him- Matthew 25:1-6, with lighted lamps and oil because it is midnight, that is, we are living at the turn of the sixth to the seventh and final Day - the Day of the Lord, or seventh and final millennium, the darkness of midnight is a very dangerous blackness, despite the woman being clothed with the Sun, clothed with the Greater Light- John 8:12-, having the Lesser Light under her feet- John 15:26 combined with Revelation 12:1, and crowned (by Jesus) with 12 stars(12 Apostles-, so as is written in Colossians 3:1-4 -take a look: -> 1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of GOD. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

    5th point

    Yes, let's get our hearts fix on the Kingdom to Come- Revelation 11:15-18, you said Christ is coming and we will all stand (or fall) before Him.

    Yes, as everyone know, JESUS is the stone: Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

    6th point:

    About your comment on a sad incident that caused you be desperate, I should say to you what my Lord JESUS said: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect-Mat.5:48.

    GOD BLESS and get ready
  • Richard H Priday - 12 months ago
    Christ's hidden attributes and first Advent (cont)

    In general, Christ's arrival as a suffering servant which should have been clearly understood from Isaiah 53 was largely missed even by the 12 disciples who expected a conquering king. This was to be in the future; as was made clear by the reading of the scroll when Jesus read Isaiah 61:1 and stopped before 61:2 which involves His return. Christ knew what was in the heart of men ( John 2:24-25) so He didn't need anyone to explain themselves to Him. This discernment in the Spirit is a spiritual gift; but with Christ who was God in the flesh He had the fullness of the Spirit without limit ( John 3:34).

    Christ also came to forgive men's sins. This was considered blasphemy by the religious leaders who immediately tried to stone Him in John 8:59 after these claims in verse 58 as being the "I am". Clearly; the contentious crowd at His trial before the crucifixion who demanded that He be crucified and Barabbas a murderer released showed the blindness of the condition of an unregenerate human heart. Judas Iscariot recognized through worldly sorrow that Christ was a righteous man that was betrayed ( Matthew 27:4 technically an "innocent man"); but the Centurion showed saving faith ( Matthew 27:54).

    These passages demonstrate the importance of recognizing Christ as God the Son; not merely a good teacher or righteous man (see Matthew 16:13-20). The hidden significance of these things is still blinding the unregenerate ( 2 Cor. 4:3-4); and the Jews have been blinded until the time of the end as we seee in Romans 11:25. It is "in part" as there are Jews who recognize Christ (called Messianic Jews by some) but until Jesus is returning according to Zechariah 12-14 the nation as a whole won't recognize Him. This is quite remarkable as the world in general knows they are hiding from Christ and God's judgment during the sixth seal. This; no doubt is because of the epicenter of Antichrist's deception there.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Matt.14:22-36 "Faith "

    v.23 Jesus in his human likeness required moments to commune with God. "He went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone." As Son of man how he fed multitude must have felt a burden if he did not learn to please his Father in all things. Power of the Spirit of God was his support. "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him." This is the Word component. He was the Word become flesh so it was all the more necessary to fall back upon the bosom of his Father as in the beginning. ( John 8:29)"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."(He.4:15)

    vv.25-31 Jesus stilled the storm (8:23-27) Walking on the Sea was an invitation for Simon Peter to show what Jesus meant as his Associate. "And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water./And he said, Come"(vv.28-29)

    Instead of looking at Jesus his gaze wandered to look at circumstances and floundered. As his associates our eye of faith cannot be elsewhere. "But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me./ And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"

    v.36 Earlier a woman with an issue of blood was healed because of her faith. (9:20-23). It was a novel method to be healed and now it has become the norm in the land of Gennesaret where Jesus landed. 'And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole."
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Matt.13:24-30 "Parable of the tares"

    Slipping in tares is the work of a wicked spirit which we would have seen in our times, vandalism,- and rampant vandalism where cherished cultural icons are destroyed merely to stage a political or social protest. Then we have torching of synagogues or desecrating cemeteries. Who but a depraved mind would wage fight with the dead or spirit of times that has set up its own banner? "An enemy hath done this'

    When we examine the scripture we shall see an enemy has been there from the beginning. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. The enemy also came along. How and why?

    In the epistle of John we have this line, "for the devil sinneth from the beginning."There are miscellaneous allusions to it in the Scripture all of which are not to our purpose. However we infer from the epistle of jude that there are fallen angels, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day(v.6)". On the other hand Satan is free to come before the throne of God and go as mentioned in the Book of Job. He was there in the Garden of Eden working by proxy. In the time of Jesus also he was there right behind Simon Peter. "But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men(16:23). Satan has thus the means to seduce men of God if they are not wholly abiding in Christ.

    We have a description of devil and his speciality, Jesus said, "Ye are ofyourfather the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.( John 8:44)"His speciality is lying and we have it conspiracy theories and have they made the world a better place?
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    John 10:34- seems to be a popular verse here. People want to believe they are a god, is that what's happening here? That would be a gross misinterpretation. You know this is a quote with a question mark at the end, right? Let's be honest about it. Here's the commentary for that:

    Christ's argument is: If your law calls judges gods, why should I be held guilty of blasphemy for saying that I am the Son of God?

    As per the other argument trying to discredit the word "one" sounds like your argument is that one doesn't really mean one, because Jesus used it to describe believers being one. I don't see how being one in unity as Christ's body somehow means that all the Bible verses about Jesus being God and divine suddenly don't apply? The verse about the Father and Son being one is only one of MANY verses competing the picture. The Bible already says Jesus the Word is God so how can you disregard that?

    God: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 KJV

    You: Word was "NOT" God?

    "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also." John 8:19 KJV

    Have you thought about how your belief reconciles with verses like this above?

    Isaiah 7:14 -

    Yes, Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us". People called Jesus "God". He's King of King and Lord of Lords. Alpha and Omega, first and last. Do you believe Jesus is Lord? I believe that is a requirement for even being a Christian. A Christ follower should know who Christ is.

    1 John 5:7-8

    John 10:30

    John 8:19

    Genesis 1:26

    Genesis 11:6-7 (plural "us" which includes Jesus, as per John 1:1)

    Philippians 2:5-8

    2 Corinthians 5:19

    John 1:3

    Matthew 28:19

    1 Peter 1:2

    2 Corinthians 13:14

    Deuteronomy 6:4

    John 14:10

    John 20:28

    1 John 2:22-24

    Matthew 1:23-25

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:29

    Romans 1:20

    Isaiah 7:14

    Hebrews 1:8

    Isaiah 44:6

    Isaiah 43:11
  • Mary Jay - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother Adam:

    Jesus DID NOT created anything?

    Christ's God and Father created all things by his Son Jesus Christ.

    Christ can do nothing but what his God and Father CAUSEs him TO SAY and To DO.

    John 8:28 .... and that I do nothing of myself .....

    Hebrews 1:2 ..... the God and Father of Christ hath appointed Christ HEIR of all things, by Christ also the God and Father of Christ made the worlds.

    God Bless You!
  • Mary Jay - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Oseas:

    All the Old testament saints and the New testament saints were RAISED with Christ.

    Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,

    Ephesians 2:6 and hath raised us up together .....

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE ANYMORE: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the children of the RESURRECTION.

    John 8:51 .... if a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

    Luke 9:27 ... there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death.

    God Bless You
  • DrCharlesSaw - 1 year ago
    John 8:36: "If the Son sets you free, you'll be free indeed." The Word "free" is repeated twice here to emphasize the importance of freedom in human life. So many people live in bondage, but the good news is that the Son can set us free from every bondage, shackle, curse, sickness, depression, defeat, shame, and the like.

    These things are caused by Satan and his demons, using sin as an entry point, and they can be passed down from one generation to another. Exodus 34:7 and Deuteronomy 5:9 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me."

    Jesus gives a condition here, "if," to mean that not everybody is set free by the Son of God, but only those who choose to let Him set them free.

    "The Son sets you free": Yes, He has the Power and Authority to set us free. He does not negotiate with the devils; He commands them. He has the power to forgive our sins. Matthew 9:6 "But so that you might know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sin . . ."

    "You'll be free indeed": When Jesus sets us free, we are completely free. The freedom Christ offers is complete and not half. We're delivered from the powers of darkness.

    May the Lord help us be free indeed, in Jesus' name.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Matt.4:1-11 "If thou be the Son of God"

    God makes angels spirits. Satan whose credo "I will" challenged the holiness of God, With this in mind the tempter asking Jesus "If thou be" challenged the eternal nature. His advent in human likeness was bound up in fulfilling the will of his Father so the challenges he asked was basically faith against doubt. Law of Spirit against the Law of sin. Satan sins from the beginning so the appetites of the flesh loomed large in his eyes. Besides before him stood the Son of man vulnerable after fasting 40 days and forty nights. Jesus who was the Word become flesh would not go against his holiness. In the Father-Son relationship the sovereign hold of the word was the arbiter.

    This episode tells his adversary well knew his scripture but without faith it was zero . Knowledge of the holy is understanding. How the serpent mouthed Satan's position with regards to the knowledge of good and evil is a case in point. "And ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" without truth was blind. We hear in our times," Justification makes the works unnecessary which is a travesty of Luther's position. It has been thus the eternal word of God has been debased into heresies without living it.

    God provided all needful things for life and godliness. So man who dares to change the stone into bread was questioning His holiness. In the second challenge Satan would give man 'a bold initiative' by "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down". Jesus rebutted him from his position of faith. Thirdly "if thou wilt fall down and worship me". Satan would never have understood the key to salvation so his last challenge addressing sentient nature of man shows the egregious folly in relying on the senses which only appealed him. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.... and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it"( John 8:44)
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Shabbat Keeper"

    What you are preaching is not true, but a false interpretation of the Word of GOD. Unfortunately you have drunk from the cup of demons and are scattering the chaff you received from them. No surprise for the Word is GOD, self-executing, and by His Spirit warned His people saying:"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils;Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with hot iron-1Ti.4:1-2

    Michael was never born from the womb of Mary, Michael was never the Word made flesh as you suggest and are preaching, actually, what you are preaching it is tares invented by the spirit of lie, or rather, invented by the father of lie- John 8:44-45.

    By the way, my Lord JESUS Himself sent Michael for this War against the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, now, in the time of Apocalypse, also is called of great Dragon- Revelation 12:9.Take a look. In fact, Michael is very very similar to JESUS, but he is not JESUS,quite the opposite,Michael is subordinate/subject/subaltern to JESUS,understand?

    By the way, the MAN CHILD- Revelation 12:1-5-is Michael,not JESUS.

    Furthermore, we which are alive and remain unto the coming of my Lord JESUS shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven(in His coming)with a shout,with the voice of the archangel-MICHAEL-,and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first(as is written in Daniel 12:1-3):Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord: and so shall we ever be with the Lord, according to the preaching of Paul Apostle to the Church of Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4. Take a look.

    You must to re-study the matter and to stop preaching that satanic lie of the father of lie. In fact, the battle, the War, is against him and his messengers, not against you in person.

    The Word is GOD,self-executable,understand?
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 year ago
    "Shabbat Keeper"

    You said "Before Jesus was born in Bethlehem, what was he doing? He was living among his angels, as Michael".

    What you are preaching is not true, but a false interpretation of the Word of GOD.

    Michael was never born from the womb of Mary, Michael was never the Word made flesh as you suggest and are preaching, actually, what you are preaching it is tares invented by the spirit of lie, or rather, invented by the father of lie- John 8:44-45.

    By the way, my Lord JESUS Himself sent Michael for this War against the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, now in the time of Apocalypse also called the great Dragon - Revelation 12:9. Take a look.

    Furthermore, we which are alive and remain unto the coming of my Lord JESUS shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven(in His coming) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel -MICHAEL-, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first (as is written in Daniel 12:1-3): Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord: and so shall we ever be with the Lord, according to the preaching of Paul Apostle to the Church of Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4. Take a look.

    You must to re-study the matter and to stop preaching that satanic lie of the father of lie. In fact, the battle, the War, is against him and his messengers, not against you in person.

    The Word is GOD, self-executable, understand?
  • Biblepreacher12 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Again a very backwards teaching as we are washed from sin not cleansed. The reason why you sin and can't stop sinning is because you are a slave to it a slave to the devil. The apostle Paul preached in Romans 6:18 "Being then made free from sin ye become the servants of righteousness" (Jesus) The apostle Paul is just like me an ex-sinner saved by grace.

    John 8:34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

    [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

    [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    The apostle Paul did not say he sins daily. He dies daily and not to sin, but to the things of the world. We have to die daily as Paul picked up from Jesus teaching.

    John 9:41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

    We are to be blind remain dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. The wages of sin is death/hell firer and brimstone. The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven. This eliminates 99% of all Christians as they claim they can not be righteous free from sin.

    1st Cor 6:9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    Romans 6:[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

    [21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

    [22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

    Good luck in being heard as God does not hear the prays of sinners. We see this everyday people dying in the hospital or looking for an out because of their pain and God hasn't heard them yet. A saved sinner means is a righteous person.
  • Biblepreacher12 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jesus was subject unto God his Father like anybody else

    Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,.."

    God was not Superman to come as a human being he sent his Son Jesus John 3:16. If Jesus was God he sure is the weakest one I ever read as Jesus can do nothing by himself without the spirit of God his Father in him. John 5:30

    John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

    No man can see God's face at anytime as people will die. Moses can never see God's face and neither can we, we only have the Son of God as an example who God his Father really is. Jesus preached God is a spirit John 4:24. Jesus never said that he was God in the whatever and if so nobody would be able to see his face.

    John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

    21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

    22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

    23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

    Jesus fulfilled the law, which means he died and did everything that was written of him to do. The testimony of two m((en)) is true John 8:7 and not one m((an)). God was not Superman to become flesh, it was his Son as all the prophets of old knew that God had a son.

    Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

    God never left his throne he sent his Son Jesus and not himself Romans 8:3.
  • Biblepreacher12 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen, not one church can give you the truth. Jesus said in

    " John 8:31] Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

    [32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

    Churches are walking around in their sin with strong delusions to believe a lie to ve damned with. They all believe they are holding onto God's hand when in reality they are holding unto the devil's hand up to their neck in sin and expecting grace to keep on saving them like it is a walk in the park. Churches are not interested in going back to the old road of revival with the King James bible as they have tasted too much of the world and not too much of the word. As Jesus said, his words has no place in them John 8:37. He was talking to Abraham's seed to his people before people were called Christians. Christanity has rejected Jesus Christ the Son of God as prophesied abs accepted the world and the bible in 2nd Cor 6 tells us to come out from amoung them. Come out of the synagogues of Satan who refuse the love of the truth and walk hand in hand with your pocketbook and nothing for the saving of the soul. You find a evangelist who believes in the perfecting of the saints and does not rebell agianst the words of the Gospel of Christ the King Janes Bible. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft...this is what the church is engaged in their abominations and their carnal minded fun only to be cast into hell after with no fear of God before their eyes.
  • Lee the Follower - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Stewart

    Thank you for your words of encouragement. It is easy for me to admit because it is truth and I feel that If I speak of a lie then I am not in Christ if that makes sense. John 8:44

    Put on the whole armour of God belt of truth. Ephesians 6:14

    As I explained to S Spencer I take everything to heart and often I take it literal which I know not everything is to be taken literal.

    However, I do apply it to me nonetheless.

    I am like Solomon where I have tasted everything from this world and it has left me with nothing but emptiness. Now I just want to lead others to the grace, glory and salvation but to do that I need to get my own house back in order and make sure I have sound doctrine.

    I thank you for your thoughts, prayers, encouragement and help. I will also pray that the love, grace and mercy of God be with you always.

    God bless you. Amen
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Ps.121 "For evermore"

    "I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.My help cometh from theLord, which made heaven and earth." The Holy Spirit gives us a symbol for God in terms of his Will. He is the Rock and the Son in terms of its fulfillment, the stone ("a stone was cut out without hands,"-Dan.2: 34). Besides we have the rock delineated in spiritual terms. With regards to the Israelites who were led forth from Egypt the Spirit gives a marginal note, "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."(1 Co.10:4). When Jesus walked on the earth on one occasion he declared, "Jesus said to them,"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was,I am."/Sothey picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple."( John 8:58-59-ESV). What made the nation of Israel blind so they could not see Jesus for what he was? He was the fulfillment of the law and Israel could not deem him as such. The same error is in our times as well that man has not insight, an understanding as to what his soul signifies. 'for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well."(139:14)

    In Ps.90 we have a wonderful description as to our dwelling place even before the mountains were formed. "Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations./Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (90:1-2) We were foreknown by our Lord God and He is compared to the rock of Ages to whom we can run for refuge because of his Son. God placing Moses in the cleft of a rock illustrates what He is.

    'The Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand', where the Spirit means Jesus Christ. Similarly forever more also refers to Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever' (He.13:8). The Word concerning His children is 'peace'.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Ge.37:12-20 (2 of 2)

    "On his father's errand"

    The logos aspect of Jesus Christ was there in bodily form as Joseph was in Dothan. 'Joseph went after his brethren and found them in Dostan.' By setting parallel account of Joseph and Jesus we are given a ringside view of the effect of Law of Moses on the nation. As soon as his brethren set eyes afar off what was their reaction. "Come now therefore, and let us slay him.". They hated his dreams as much as they hated his person. Jesus well knew his presence had left them with no cloak to hide. "I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you."( John 8:37-NKJV) "If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin."( John 15:22)

    In addition to this parallel narrative the Spirit serves another symbol as dreams of Joseph convey the role of the world of the Spirit. We carry while abiding in Christ the body of Christ as was prepared before the worlds began. This is faith in quintessence. By abiding as branches our works are what our lives show. Envy, rancor and divisions as we see that the activism of modern churches causes are not from God. Nation of Israel had no cloak to hide when Jesus came among them. Their conspiracy finds parallel to what faced Joseph in Dostan.

    What is the significance of Dostan? It was where God heard the prayer of Elisha. "Open his eyes,Lord, so that he may see." Then theLordopened the servant's eyes, "(2 Ki.6:17).

    Joseph was there at the mercy of his brethren. The Spirit uses the name to evoke that there was no way they could escape their heinous crime from retribution. Joseph's story is a commentary as the fate of Israel after they had rejected Jesus and killed him on trumped up charges. The word of God 'shall prosper in thing whereto I sent it.'


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