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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Judges 17 - 3 years ago
    Hey Richard,

    Jesus told them the only sign would be as Jonah, 3 days and 3 nights, but He confirmed the brass serpent was a foreshadowing as in John 3:14 and when He told them "When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he", John 8:28. My understanding and something to consider is it points to Matthew 27:50-54 when Jesus cried out the last time is when all these things happened.

    The veil of the temple was rent, and the earthquake, and the rocks rent, and the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. The Greek word egersis, translated as resurrection here, is the only place in the NT it was used.

    It means waking up, as from sleep, a rousing or rising up from passing out that I am sure Jesus did several times, but this last time when He cried out just before He died, all these things happened to show they have just killed the Messiah, the Son of God as verse 54 confirms all this happened when Jesus revived and cried out.

    Death could not hold Jesus because He was without sin, Acts 2:24 and when God resurrected Jesus Jesus was victorious over death and is the Firstfruits of those that slept. We were slaves/servants of sin, in captivity, Jesus broke the bounds and led the captivity of sin, Rom. 6:6, and took us captive to Himself, Eph 4:8. He freed us from that enslavement or captivity to sin and when we are resurrected, we can say 1 Cor. 15:52-57.

    In John 3:13, John wrote this after Jesus ascended, we see that for what John said Jesus was in heaven when John wrote this. Also, we see what Paul wrote, David has not ascended to heaven, Acts 2:29, 34, you would think if Jesus took people to heaven, He would have taken David.

    Just some thoughts.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Earl, that's an unusual interpretation I've never heard before. I wonder if a particular church or pastor taught you that or how came to interpret the Bible in that way. Since you didn't acknowledge Jesus is Lord or that you follow Him, do you believe you are a Christian?

    I've been wrong in my life before and I'm sure you have too. Yes, at least one of us is wrong and the one who is wrong will think he's right and be very confident about it. The goal should be to find the truth, do you agree?

    The Bible says satan exists and is the father of lies John 8:44. He tries to derail us, twist our thinking, create doubt, entice us with false teachings. This doesn't just happen to others, it can happen to us. So how can we be assured we haven't fallen into his trap and are believing his lies?

    I believe God's word is true, and He is the source of truth. James 1:5 says we can ask for wisdom and He will honor that. An important component of finding the truth would then be praying to God and asking for His help and confirmation. I'm praying about this right now and I encourage you to do the same.

    Earl, have you prayed and asked God for wisdom on this topic and to confirm in your heart what the truth is?
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Deborah:

    Since you are saved and a born again Christian, what are you saved from?

    Is Christ not the passover lamb of God?

    Does not death pass over those covered by the blood?

    John 5:24 ....he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath EVERLASTING LIFE, and shall not come into condemnation, but is (present tense) passed from death into Life.

    John 8:51 ......if a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

    Lukewarm Christians don't keep his sayings, his words.

    Have you come to truth of what being born again is?

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the life in you) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my JUDGEMENTS, and do them.

    John 16:8 And when he is come (Christ in you, the new creation) he will will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of JUDGEMENT.

    John 16:11 Of JUDGEMENT because the prince of this world (lies and deception in you) is JUDGED.

    Matthew 12:28 But if I (Christ in you) by the Spirit of God, cast out devils (lies and deception) the the kingdom of God has come unto you.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO (his statutes and his judgements) his good pleasure.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN OR GOD (truth and life) doth not commit sin (It's Christ in you working both TO WILL and TO DO his statutes and his Judgements)

    Most Christians want walk in this truth and that makes them lukewarm.

    God bless you.
  • Donna - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Susie, I'm praying for you and your husband.

    Lord be merciful and guide this couple to Your will for their lives. I lift them up to You Father. Whatever is needed to bring them closer to living for You.

    Do a mighty work in them and use their lives for Your glory. Bless them and help them in their walk with you. Thank You Lord, in Jesus name I pray, amen.

    John 3:16

    John 8:36

    Romans 2:4

    Romans 6:23

    Luke 7:50

    May God Bless You today Susie

    :-)
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    True God: ( 1 John 5:20) - This is a direct assertion that Jesus, being the true God, is not only divine, but is the Divine. Because the Bible says there is only one God, this is describing His nature as part of the triune God.

    Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." The Son is called "God."

    I Am: ( John 8:58, with Exodus 3:14) - When Jesus ascribed to Himself this title, the Jews tried to stone Him for blasphemy.

    2 Pet. 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"

    "our God and our Saviour"

    Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

    Severe penalty for denying Jesus.

    Matthew 10:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Here are some scriptures in that regard:

    Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5, 1Samuel 15:35, Job 10:21,22, Job 34:22, Job 38:17, Revelation 2:7, Luke 23:33-43, Luke 16:19-31, Psalms 6:5, Psalms 48:14, Psalms 49:14, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Isaiah 38:18, Romans 7, 2Corinthians 7:10,

    Psalms 56:13, Psalms 89:48, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 14:27, Ecclesiastes 9:4,

    Psalms 116:15, Proverbs 14:32, Isaiah 9:2, Isaiah 25:8, Hosea 13:14, Luke 18:33, John 8:51, John 5:24, Acts 2:24-27, Romans 5:10-21, Romans 6:2-23, Romans 8, 2Timothy 1:10, 1John 3:14,

    Jeremiah 21:8, Ezekiel 18:31,32, 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 1:18,

    Hebrews 2:9-18, Revelation 20, Revelation 21,
  • Sam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Please Lord enrich Ruben with Your grace that he been strengthen through this time of testing of faith. Please Holy Spirit guide Ruben in prayer and scriptures that will be comforting and allow spiritual enlightenment to flow on him I pray in the name of Jesus Christ!

    Please consider reflecting on: James 4:7-9, John 8:44, Ephesian 3:16-19, 1 Peter 5:6-8 and 2 Timothy 2:1 and 2 Timothy 1:7.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 7 - 3 years ago
    I believe it's possibly scriptures mixed together that are actually separate. However the main point you're getting from it seems to be in Paul's letters to the Church in Corinthian: 1Corinthians 7, note 1Corinthians 7:10-17,

    Mark 10:1-31, Luke 16:13-31, John 4:1-43, Ephesians 5:33, Romans 7:2, John 8:1-11

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Lies & deceit : Leviticus 19:11, Psalms 5:6, Psalms 55:23, Psalms 58:3, Psalms 63:11, Psalms 101:7, Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 19:5,9, Jeremiah 9:3-9, Isaiah 59, Micah 6, Colossians 3:9, Revelation 21, Revelation 22:15,

    Relevant today : Ezekiel 13:22,23

    Acts 5:1-10 in context Acts 4:32-37, continued into Acts 5,

    Wisdom about : Proverbs 14:5-25, Proverbs 29:12, John 8:42-44 in context John 8,

    Psalms 40:4, Isaiah 63:8, Zephaniah 3:13,
  • Alex N - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 3 years ago
    T lewis Gbu But i disgaree completely with that post....Jesus the absolute Son of God cd not come thru any mans blood line....Simply b/c all men carried that stain and spot and curse of adam....There were none righteousness no not one...The Lamb of God cd not carry or be stained with that curse of Adam...It had to be a perfect clean lamb without any spot or stain...Thats y it had to be a virgin birth, Her Conception cd not be tainted by mans seed....It had to be an immaculate Conception..The very seed/word of God....You are made clean by the word i have spoken unto you....Mary was made clean by this conception for at least 9 mo....Maybe longer...As she told some at the wedding feast what ever he says to you do it...

    .....And he predated all men when he said before Abraham was i am....Before the world was i am....He told the Jews, you are from beneath but i am from above...You are of this world but i am not of this world.. John 8:58 .

    .....Many thought that Joseph was his father and said is this not the Carpenters son...Thus these 2 lineages in Mat. and luke are both not his lineage that is from heaven... John 6:38....I am that living bread from heaven etc...He cd not come thru any mans adamic nature which is in rank with satan....These 2 linages are a stinch in the nostrils of man what wd they be in the nostrils of God....For an educational teaching tool they are fine..But our lord cd not be stained by mans adamic nature...

    .....And in Acts 20:28...Feed the Church of God that has purchased with his own blood....It was the blood of God Almighty Christ Jesus that purchased the Church....We are all bought with a price his blood....Gods blood
  • Anna - In Reply - 3 years ago
    John 14:6 kjv, Psalm 12:6-7 kjv, Psalm 119:140 kjv, John 1:1-3,14 kjv,

    John 6:63 kjv, Isaiah 40:8 kjv, Matthew 24:35 kjv, Revelation 19:11-16 kjv,

    1 Peter 1:23 kjv, John 8:58 kjv.

    God bless you Brenda. In Jesus name.And
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    2Thessalonians 3:10-12, 1Timothy 5:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 19:9, Leviticus 20:10, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, John 8:3-11,
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Mark,

    My comment is that salvation is conditional whether people believe it or not, because its what the Bible says. It's full of calls to action and challenging us to change our behavior. Most people will not be saved Matthew 7:13. Salvation is with grace but is only for believers/followers- a choice that each person must make. One way to summarize this action appears to be genuine belief and faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16. That is an action and choice.

    So, if someone does not believe, one can presume the unbeliever will not be saved. This already "offends" a lot of people, because some want to justify themselves in their own mind while doing the bare minimum they assume God wants. Some have been deceived into believing obeying God is "bad." But believing is only one of many action verbs the Bible challenges us to do. Other actions fall under this category of genuine active belief and following Jesus too. All these verses in the Bible are true and are equally important. Some like to cherry pick one, but ignore others and assume they don't apply, but they all apply and are true and are God's word.

    believe:

    John 3:16

    follow Jesus:

    John 8:12

    deny himself:

    Luke 9:23

    confess:

    Romans 10:9

    faith:

    Ephesians 2:8

    hearing:

    Romans 10:17

    repent and be baptized:

    Acts 2:38

    keep commandments:

    John 15:10

    love:

    Matthew 22:37-40

    There are many more. Some falsely assume by obeying God they are doing 'works' and that is 'bad', therefore, obeying God is 'bad'. No, that's not what the Bible says, and obeying doesn't mean you're saved by works or that people who obey believe that.

    My last comment is that James and Paul are consistent. Some assume Paul was anti-works, but only if you cherry pick a few verses and ignore large parts of his book can that conclusion be drawn. Paul was very much pro-obedience as the following verses demonstrate:

    Romans 2:9-10

    1 Peter 1:5

    1 Cor 9:24-27

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    Galatians 5:1-4

    2 Timothy 2:10

    Hebrews 10:26

    2 Corinthians 5:10
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 15 - 3 years ago
    Revelation 15

    This chapter marks what appears to be the Resurrection of the saints of God from the Tribulation which is immediately before the bowl judgments. In that sense surely God's people won't endure the final plagues. This is accentuated by the comment in verse 8; that no man could enter the temple in heaven until the final plagues occurred. There was no more "smoke of the incense of the prayers" mitigating things; and judgment was to be full force.

    It is interesting in verse 5 that the "temple of the tabernacle of the testimony" is mentioned. Certainly; those who gave the testimony to overcome reminds us of Revelation 12:11. We must remember that overcoming any of these things; whether it is the image of the beast (which somehow causes people to be killed ( Rev. 13:15); the mark of the beast and the associated number of his name all takes supernatural strength. Again; we need to remember that ALL whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world will worship the Beast ( Rev. 13:8). This shows the destinies of men from before all time were all predestined as WELL as showing Christ was the sacrificial atonement for that group of people ALSO before time began. By default; this means not only are we all sinners and rebels but that literally we would worship Antichrist if he appeared today; and in our hearts Satan is our father ( John 8:44).

    These harsh realities are the only rational approach to show how far sin has damaged this nation and the earth as a whole. Today; much of what involves the lust of the eyes ( 1 John 2:15-17) is virtual reality; minds are controlled with substances (Pharmakeia Rev. 18:23) and people desperately want assurance that life can continue and the party can go on. The danger is when the Lord Himself gives up people to sin ( Romans 1:24). Truly; Isaiah 24:17 describes the fear; pit and snare upon the inhabitants of the earth after He raptures the Bride.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Brother.

    Ephesians 5:1-2. BE YE THEREFORE FOLLOWERS OF GOD, AS DEAR CHILDREN;

    AND WALK IN LOVE, AS CHRIST ALSO HATH LOVED US, AND HATH GIVEN HIMSELF for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

    Isn't that amazing Love! Christ did this whilst we were yet sinners! Ye didn't say only if you straighten yourself up I will die for you.

    He died in our place while we were yet sinning.

    He made salvation possible for the worst sinners ever, To all who come to him!

    Paul says "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

    be ye therefore followers of God as dear children and walk in love as Christ has also loved us and hath given himself. Ephesians 4:32-5:1-2.

    Her we see Love, Mercy, forgiveness, kindness displayed by the Lord.

    We can't achieve this on our own. This comes by being connected to the true vine! John 15.

    This is NOT expected from the world but if you are a child of God you should be able to exhibit this, especially amongst brothern.

    This is not saying you shouldn't rebuke an apparent apostate.

    I'm saying a supposed brother shouldn't display hatred towards another brother over doctrine, especially when that doctrine holds truth.

    It reminds me of John 8:43-47.

    You may not agree with someone when they speak truth but the spirit in you want cause you to hate the one that speaks it! And likewise if they're not.

    1 John 4:20.

    God bless brother.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Acts 10 - 3 years ago
    Dear Marsha,

    It seems that you have asked two different questions in your post.

    For the first, In Acts 10, God shows Peter that all foods are made clean for our consumption with the vision of a sheet with all kinds of unclean foods according to the Torah Law. God told Peter to take and eat. Peter objected since he had never eaten any unclean foods before. But God insisted. This vision came to him three times in one night while he was on the rooftop praying.

    In this passage not only does God make all foods clean for eating, but He used this to demonstrate that He also has made Gentiles clean by the saving work of Jesus. Jews were not ever to touch Gentiles. So, God said, what I have made clean do not consider common or unclean. The next morning a mand came to the door asking for Peter, just as God had said would happen. The man took Peter to the house of Cornelius (a Gentile) whereby Peter spoke the Gospel to Cornelius and the other Gentiles . there. These people immediately believed the Gospel message and were saved. Peter then understood the deeper meaning of the vision.

    As to your second question. In John 8:2-11 you will find the account of a woman caught in the very act of adultery. The leaders drag her out to be stoned to death as was the legal penalty for such a sin. Jesus goes on to forgive the woman and tells her to go and sin no more. So, yes, adultery is forgiven through Jesus and His work of salvation.
  • Anna - In Reply on Psalms 10 - 3 years ago
    Lord Jesus, by Your grace, I come boldly to lift up the needs of dear Chrys.

    Mat 9:19-22 kjv,

    John 3:16 kjv, John 14:6 kjv, James 5:15 kjv, John 8:32 kjv.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    John 8:42-44, Ephesians 4:14, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 18:23, Revelation 20:3, he is deceiver, liar,

    Psalms 24:1, 1Corinthians 10:26, The Earth's the LORD's & fullness thereof

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Luke,

    Accusing someone of being ignorant of scripture sounds a little harsh. If someone is not in agreement with you, does that make them ignorant? I am not going to accuse you of being ignorant, but I do believe you are mistaken about John 8:44-45.

    You ask, "Who was John speaking of, that's right CAIN, because HE was the first Murderer he MURDERED HIS BROTHER."

    First of all, John was not speaking of anyone. Those were Jesus' words, not John's. Secondly, Jesus is speaking of Satan being a murderer from the beginning. If Jesus was referring to Cain, He would have shifted from His description of Satan and mentioned Cain by name.
  • Luke:Serpent seed cont: - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Serpent Seed cont: The subject of John 8 is of the serpents seed

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

    47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
  • Luke - In Reply - 3 years ago
    It show's your ignorance of scripture.

    Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, "What is this that thou hast done?" And the woman said, "The serpent

    [Satan] beguiled me, and I did eat." beguiled means (wholey seduced) you do know what seduced means, right?

    14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, "Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and

    above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy [Satan's] seed and her Seed; Christ shall

    bruise thy head [vital part], and thou shalt bruise His heel [lower part]."

    16 Unto the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception [pregnancy]; in sorrow [painful

    toil] thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be subject to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

    Did you read that? God will put emni

    Satan knew that it was through Eve the woman's bloodline that Christ would eventually be born. This was Satan's first attempt in the flesh age, to destroy God's plan. Satan was trying to keep Eve's seed line from being brought forth, and so he deceived Eve where his own seed would be born

    Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

    3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the SERPENT BEGUILED EVE THROUGH HIS SUBTILTY, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    Who was John speaking of, that's right CAIN, because HE was the first Murderer he MURDERED HIS BROTHER
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello,

    1st want to address

    The Earth is The LORD's & the fulness thereof! Psalms 24:1, Daniel 7:13-14, Romans 6:9,

    Dominion GOD gave to mankind. Genesis 1:26,27,28,

    War in Heaven: cast out, Revelation 12:7-17, persecution but not dominion, John 8:42-44, Revelation 20:7-15, Please read all of Chapter for context. Revelation 13, Revelation 20, deceiver like Genesis 3, James 4,

    Psalms 145:1-13, Daniel 4:2,3,34, Daniel 6:26, Ephesians 1:17-23, Ephesians 6:11-18,

    Hopefully these are helpful,

    Please read the WORD, & study
  • Adam - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 3 years ago
    Let's see what else God's Word has to say in regards to your snarky comment against Jesus.

    A few verses before in 2 Peter 1:11 it says "Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." Do you believe Jesus is your Lord and Savior?

    Do you know what "Lord" means?

    The same old straw man fallacy shows up again that God the Son isn't God the Father, but no one is claiming that. This attack on Jesus is repeated so much it seems to fall into the disingenuous and lie territory.

    God is powerful enough to do what you don't comprehend as a man. Whether you comprehend that or not doesn't change reality or the truth. The Bible says that in John 1 the 'word was God' and was there at the beginning, so do you believe it?

    More of God's truth about God:

    Luke 4:34 - "Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God."

    Luke 4:12 after satan put Jesus to the test Jesus says "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

    Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

    Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD..."

    Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name..."

    Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

    Godhead:

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:29

    Romans 1:20

    John 1:18

    God is we and us plural:

    Genesis 1:26

    If the Bible flat out said Jesus is God like it does would you believe it?

    Where are the verses that say Jesus isn't God the Son? (none)

    Where are the verses saying Jesus IS God the Son (above, numerous)

    And where are the verses where Jesus verbally denied being God? (none)

    "I AM" John 8:56-59

    John 10:30

    John 8:19

    Philippians 2:5-8

    2 Corinthians 5:19

    John 1:3

    Matthew 28:19

    1 Peter 1:2

    2 Corinthians 13:14

    Deuteronomy 6:4

    John 14:10

    John 20:28

    1 John 2:22-24

    Matthew 1:23-25

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:29

    Romans 1:20

    Isaiah 7:14

    Hebrews 1:8

    Isaiah 44:6

    Isaiah 43:11

    John 17:5

    John 17:21
  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    Revelation: Final introduction thoughts

    The heart is deceitful above all things; and desperately wicked; who can understand it? ( Jeremiah 17:9).

    Whenever we attempt to make study of this book in particular; or any other scripture as a purely academic exercise; we are always deficient of understanding at best; and subject to deceiving ourselves. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 warns that they shall believe THE lie; and that not for want of truth; but because they did not LOVE the truth as stated in the previous verse. Isaiah 66:4 warns of God "choosing" their delusions with the horrifying spectacle of hell being seen by all men during the Millennium and perhaps eternity (verse 22-24 of same chapter). ALL will worship the beast; all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world ( Rev. 13:8 loosely translated).

    Given these sober admonitions; we need to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith ( 2 Cor. 13:5-6). This reminds us of Christ's excoriation of the Pharisees as to Satan being their father ( John 8:44 as one example of many). We need to have true repentance; not only for our outward manifestations of sin; but a change of heart. This means the world; flesh and the Devil are all factored in here. Christ needs not only to be the center of our lives; but indeed IS our life if we are truly "crucified with Christ" ( Galatians 2:20). A sign that we have spiritual life is when we are incredulous that we really have died to self; as sin becomes more and more evident during the sanctification process. This likely is part of the verse John 18:37 where He describes those who come to the light. This needs to be an ongoing process; just as is the meaning of John 3:16. We need; therefore to be possessors of He who is faithful; not just confessors of the faith. A lack of understanding this makes one believe the fallacy that "God helps those who help themselves" which was a Ben Franklin adage. We must die daily.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Fred.

    Thank God for the Chief Shepherd and those who are truly his will always hear his voice!

    John 10:3-4. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth HIS OWN SHEEP by name, AND LEADETH THEM out.

    And when he putteth forth HIS OWN SHEEP, he goeth before them, AND THE SHEEP FOLLOW HIM: FOR THEY KNOW HIS VOICE.

    Here's something interesting and can be misunderstood.

    They don't become his sheep by following him, They follow because they are his sheep. They follow him because they HEAR HIS VOICE. They have ears to hear and eyes to see.

    This reminds me of

    Matthew 13:9-16.

    Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

    He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

    For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

    Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

    And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

    For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

    This is in contrast to John 8:43-45.

    The Lord is calling this sheep fold out of Judaism. Look at the previous verses.

    John 9:39-41.

    Then we Gentiles shall also hear him.

    John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, AND THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Richard. Not sure whether your comment is in reference to some one else's, so I apologize, but your reference to the woman caught in adultery ( John 8:3-11) piqued my interest.

    We know that Jesus didn't condemn the woman for her act, rather told her to desist from engaging in such encounters, and John 12:47b tells us "for I (Jesus) came not to judge the world, but to save the world", indicating that His Ministry wasn't of judgement but for souls' salvation; so it was correct that in line with His Coming, that Mercy & Forgiveness be shown & through it, sinners might see their own sin first, before casting their stones.

    But I also see another side to this, as part of the given Law, which I've never heard spoken of. The Law of God was clear & binding and the religious leaders knew it. Yet, at that time in Israel, that Law couldn't be enacted or enforced, as their was no king or judge in Israel authorized to do so. I guess the religious leaders took it upon themselves to fill that void, as they also had much sway in the domestic & religious lives of the Jews. But were they legitimate in meting out the death penalty (or, any punishment), for sins/crimes committed? They could certainly see & acknowledge the wrongs done in society, but did they have the power to exact a penalty such as this? Or, would they be limited to committing the woman to a time of separation, of introspection, repentance, & then restoration? Maybe, as a pastor/elder would do in the Church today?

    So, I detect that Jesus, in His ministry to both the woman & the leaders, was also showing to them, that such judgement rested only with God and to those He had authorized to exact it; that these religious leaders ought to confine themselves to matters of the synagogue & guidance to the Law's requirements, rather than taking on the role of judges. And after all, the Romans were their rulers/judges at that time, though generally uninterested in these Jewish 'strange' practises. Just a thought.
  • Free - In Reply - 3 years ago
    We thank you dear Jesus for being our only true God. And thank You for the wisdom You share with You. So that there are well-meaning words that we speak out to ours. So they can also be free in You, my Lord. Thank You Jesus for all things. In Your holy name Jesus Christ, We honor you, Lord of wisdom. After Your will Amen.

    John 8:31-36
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on James 1 - 3 years ago
    Hey Giannis,

    Hope you don't mind, I read your posts. I do not know if you read my post to Gary in this thread, but you commented on the Greek words in the, (my understanding a parable) Luke 16. And you spoke on Matt. 27:51-52. My understanding of this comes from what John wrote of what Jesus said.

    In John 8 they were pressing Jesus who He was, and He said this in vs. 28 he does nothing of Himself, but He said when you have lifted up the Son of Man then you will know I am He. Then In John 5:25-29 Jesus said the hour is coming and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and they shall live. Now is not later Jesus is saying now which He is talking about what is written in Matt. 27.

    In vs 28 Jesus said marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, (but He did not say and now is). This goes to your comment on the final resurrection, but I will not comment on that now.

    In Matthew 27 Jesus had been hanging on that cross since 9 AM going on 6 hours, and I am sure He was going in and out of consciousness and when Jesus cried out for the last time, He may have come to which in my understanding refers to the word resurrection used in vs 53. You will know the Greek better than me, but it is a different word than the other words used for resurrection. it is egersis, meaning resurgence not necessarily from death.

    But my understanding is when Jesus cried out all these things happened, the veil of the temple rent, earthquake, the rocks rent, and the graves were opened, many bodies of the saints which slept arose and went into the city and appeared to many. As you said like Lazarus.

    To me vs 54 confirms what Jesus said in John 8:28 truly this was the Son of God. Many knew they just killed the Son of God. "Then shall ye know that I am He"

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronnette on John 8 - 3 years ago
    Human nature has not changed even today after reading this chapter. Sad to see people here be like a modern Pharisees. Read your Bible. Many are deceived. Stay in prayers and Colossians 2:1:23 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
  • Richard H Priday on John 8 - 3 years ago
    Predestination and John 8

    The first 12 verses describe a woman caught in adultery. The fact that the man wasn't brought as well was suspect. Jesus gave instructions for the man without sin to throw the first stone; and when He remained mercy triumphed over judgment. It should be noted; however that in verse 11 she was told to "go and sin no more". In verse 12; Jesus appeals to the fact that He is the light of the world.

    Then; when disputing with the Pharisees and giving what seemed like a clear message of salvation and how He was connected with the Father; verse 27 shows that they really didn't know what He was referring to. Verses 31-32 describes what is often called "Perseverance of the saints". It makes clear that to produce good fruit; we must remain in Him; which of course is only possible for those sealed with the Spirit ( Eph. 1:13-14).

    In verse 33; another lie is told; as we see elsewhere in John that they were never slaves. Then; continuing to verse 38; Jesus reveals whose father they have. They are thinking about physical ancestry; Jesus is talking about spiritual authority; and spells iit out continuing to verse 48. The situation deteriorates further when Jesus is accused of having a demon (v. 48; following v.52-53; then Jesus gives a clear statement that He is the "I am" or God Himself; and the last first shows yet another attempt to stone Him where He escapes. (See John 1:11 to summarize this book). They are spiritually blind; but held accountable having physical vision (see John 9:41; Isaiah 43:8)


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