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My personal belief is that one can pray to both God & His Son Jesus Christ. Even though I generally address God my Father in prayer, I also find that I can speak to Jesus, to thank Him & praise Him. Why I say this is because in our new relationship with the Godhead, God is our Father & Jesus is our Brother. Just as one would seek the help & advice from an earthly father & maybe the understanding & support of an earthly brother, we can even see God & His Son in a similar way, praying to them, praising them, & seeking help. And we should also be able to pray to the Holy Spirit residing in us, especially in those times of trial & testing or for strength & comfort.

As well, we see in Scripture that people prayed to Jesus. You can look at these verses: 1 Corinthians 1:1,2 (calling upon the Lord Jesus' Name); 2 Corinthians 12:8,9 (Paul's thorn in the flesh); John 9:38 (Jesus was worshipped); Revelation 5:8-13 (Jesus worshipped in Heaven as God is); Acts 7:59; Acts 9:6 & many more.

And No, you don't need to speak in other tongues to experience re-birth. Re-birth is effected by God's Spirit as soon as you realize that you're a sinner & that the only hope of your forgiveness & salvation is by coming to the Cross of Christ where He gave His Life in your place. Once you repent of your sins, calling upon the Name of the Lord ( Romans 10:13), God hears your prayer (because it was He by His Spirit that drew you to this point of anguish & need to be saved). And 'all who come to Him He will in no wise cast away, or reject' ( John 6:37). God then indwells you by His Spirit making you a new woman with a clean heart with new & holy desires to please Him with your life. His Spirit also gives us gifts, some to speak with new tongues, & other gifts ( 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. Also see verses 28-31), but to speak in other languages is not a requirement or proof of your rebirth experience & of the Holy Spirit in you. A changed life, heart, will & true love for all, characterize a Christian.

No. I'm not saying he was wrong. I'm saying given the archaic english, our understanding of the passage is wrong. When he said no one knows except the father, he was saying that he couldn't say because his father would say not that he didn't know.

Did God raise Jesus or did Jesus raise himself. The answer to this we find in John 10:18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

Now the nature of the Godhead. That is a mystery. One we shall have to wait and see to find out. The very fact we have a triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost 1John 5:7 ) defies the laws of nature that we perceive. God's characteristics Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient also defy our laws of nature.

As for the Council of Nicaea, this council was held to address the heresy that had entered the church saying that said Christ wasn't divine. Not to establish a new doctrine. There by confirming the Biblical Trinity.

So when he was asked when he's coming back and his response was no one knows excepted the father he was wrong? One more question and not too argue did God raise himself from the dead or did Jesus christ raise himself from the dead my Bible said that God raised him from the dead and by the way I don't believe they are one in the same being or entity because that defies all natural laws set yup by God, Also the belief in the Trinity did not develope untill after the takeover of constantinople better known as the nicene creed look it up historically. I don't believe things just because anyone says thats the way it is I research origins then make up my mind. I do understand something at one time I was taught things that made no sence then when I researched on my own then I made up my mind, thats anybodies choice not saying everybody else is wrong or right.

To say that not even Jesus knows is dangerous, after all He and His Father are One, and Jesus is the one descending on that day. That being said the "knoweth" in Matthew 24:36 as well "know" in 1 Corinthians 2:2 are the same Greek word and can mean to "make known" depending on the context. So given the context of both passages. Jesus is saying that no one will declare or "make known" that that day or hour except his father. Just like Paul is saying he didn't come to teach or "make known" anything other that Christ crucified. Paul also says in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 Says that we "Christians" are children of light and that, that day should not overtake us unawares. God has provided us many examples or signs that we can look out for that we can be ready for his coming. Matthew 24, all of Revelations, Daniel chapters 2,7,8 11, and 12, as well as some chapters in Ezekiel, Isiah, and Jeremiah. Just like Christs' baptism, and crucifixion was accurately predicted in Daniel chapter 9:23-27

Now- we are living in the end times - Duration - only God knows

Next - the revealing of the Antichrist

Next is - The rapture. Could be instantaneous, could take a while -God only knows

Next is - The tribulation - first 3.5 yrs only. Antichrist will rule in Jerusalem in this period

Then comes - Jesus second coming

Next is - The millenial reign - 1000 yrs.

Next comes - The final 3.5 year tribulation when Satan will be loosed again

Lastly - The perfect age which lasts for eternity

Comments about the seed of Christ which is the Israel of God ,Natural Israel was by the seed of Abraham that was the ABRAHAMIC COVENANT an earthy covenant as that which is born of the flesh is flesh . But the heavenly Promise was addressed to Christ that his seed ( the living word ) SPIRITS wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven,Thats y Jesus said that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit thats the H.G that are born in us via HIS SEED THE WORD and its these heavenly PPL the H.G. MANY THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE, LIVING BEINGS THAT ARE THE ISRAEL OF GOD not humans but humans are the bride that are gonna birth the CHILDREN OF PROMISE VIA THE SEED OF CHRIST, WE ARE JUST JOINT HEIRS WITH THE H.G. that is born in us via his seed. which is the H.G the Israel of GOD. I.E. ITS THE H.G THAT IS THE ISRAEL OF GOD, The H.G comes from the seed of Christ his words remember he breathe on them ( his breath was his word his seed ) Thats y Jesus was saying that which is BORN OF THE SPIRT IS SPIRIT THATS THE H.G. THE ISRAEL OF GOD. Ya gotta realize that Jesus multiplies after THE GOD KIND NOT AFTER THE HUMAN KIND . Thus its the H.G that comes from his loins his seed thus its the H.G. that is the CHILD OF PROMISE . That Israel of God. Its the H.G that is his seed his name sake his son, Gods granson in rank with Jacob the granson. Remember it was Jacob's name that was changed to Israel and Jacob was the granson in the abrahamic trinity. And in the heavenly trinity its the H.G that is the Granson SIMPLY B/C HE COMES OUT OF CHRIST LOINS. They don't call JESUS the BRIDEGROOM FOR NOTHIN, he has a seed to sow inhumanity thus the gransons the Israel of GOD, THE children of Promise. Our new birth brings in with in ourselves a new innerman which is the H.G. The Israel of God. you can sum all this up by just saying that the H.G is the Israel of God. k later

Gods word says no man knows thats in Gods hands.

Hello, not even Jesus knows. Matthew 24:36

So, if even Jesus doesn't know, why would you think you can? It already says in the Bible no one knows. So, when someone claims they know or thinks they can know, the Bible already debunked that. I trust God's word over what man says.

we often ask our self when is Jesus coming will it be now or a year fom now? and i was just wondering when he would come?

John 11:35 Jesus wept.

He had been with them so long and even now knew they didn't really know who He was.

Kenneth; frist of all we can not let others keep us from God thru Jesus .It is your eternal soul that is at stake .

That is way the Word tells us to search out our own salvation .It does not matter who actually hung Jesus on the cross .

Jesus dyed on the cross as a substitute for each of us as the. spotless Lamb

that was required by GODS law to fulfill the law and the prophets .It was my sins and the sins of all mankind that put Jesus on the cross. It is hard to separate carnal (earthly) from sprit . Please do not let other keep you from coming to CHRIST .The word tells us to study the Word so that we can tell what is from GOD or the devil who come to(kill, steal and destroy ) It is your eternal Soul at stake ,and all thru the Word it says to endure to the end trusting in JESUE and him alone .I pray this is a help because I have been where you are hurt by church ,hurt by people that I had earthly trust in ,but I have NEVER been hurt by Jesus Christ ,even though we have to go though. things that if we hold onto Christ It will build your faith as we look back and see how God brought us through . May God Bless you and give you Faith in Jesus till the end .

I have many dates, times, and concerns, I did my past but never braught forth, I dont go to church for reasons of lies, like it wasnt God nor Ceasars but Roman Chathlic..Religion hung a man on the cross for not witchery nor magic but faith with in you to change.... I feel something big in me and im scrambling all over.

If they had confessed their belief in Jesus to you or others; that's what matters. Read these scriptures and be at peace in your heart about it. We don't hear what people pray in the middle of the night, alone in their bed. So, Believe the best.

Matthew 10:32

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 12:8

Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1 John 4:15

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

John 12:42

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

Romans 14:11

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philippians 2:11

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Revelation 3:5

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Romans 15:9

And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

John 9:22

These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

May Jesus be your Peace, Mishael

explain john 14:12 for me especially the works

GOD HEARETH NOT SINNERS

Job 37:9; Psalm 18:41; 34:15; 66:18; Pr. 1:28; 15:29; Isaiah 1:15; Jer. 11:11; 14:12; Eze. 8:18: Micah 3:4; Zech. 7:18; JOHN 9:31.

The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and not for any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). If it records in Rev. 12:9 that this whole world has been deceived, it did not speak of a particular country, group of people, person or religion, it meant the whole world.

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15) this whole world has been deceived and what mankind must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting), is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and there seems to be a great misconception what the true 'spiritual' meaning of the word is. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.

Only through Repentance will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1) and reveal to you how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and overcome this world ( 1 John 5:4).

The word "Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God

Question: according to john chapter 9 verse 4, why must we serve God during our life time?

Barbara, I would like to add, Job, had his friends and they tried to figure out what Job did wrong that God would cause all those things to happen to him. Job proclaimed he did nothing wrong. It was Satan, if you remember the story. Just as in Verse 9 neither the man nor the parents sinned. It was so Jesus could heal, he was born blind. In Job, we learn of the Leviathan and the Behemoth, two powerful creatures that are neither good nor bad, they just do their thing and sometimes cause misfortune. But, Job was not a sinner though people thought he was and he argued with God. He layed it out to Him.....And, God responded

Jacob, deceived his father Issac and his brother Esau, and ended up wrestling with an angel not letting him go, (like wrestling in prayer not quitting till he got an answer). The angel named Jacob, Israel. So, if you see Israel and Jacob in the bible, they're the same person. And, if see a name with "el" in it, el translates to God. (Immanuel, Michael, Gabriel, El Shaddai, etc). You asked a very important question. I wanted to be thorough to offer some kind of help, in your seeking God. Remember, Jesus came to Earth looking for us.

This is for Barbara who asked if God hears sinners. I think, Barbara you read in the chapter verse 31, where the Pharisee talked about God not hearing sinners. Even though this is the New Testament, the people still only had the Old Testament ways about them. They had 613 laws to obey. They did different kinds of sacrifices to "cleanse" themselves. Jesus, had an amazing task. He had to challenge and change the only ways the Jewish people ever knew. That's what is meant by new wine in old skin, or new cloth on an old garment. Jesus, simplified the law (laws) even the 10 commandments into two commandments, love God with all your heart body soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus, changed thought process to no matter what work we do, we can't buy our forgiveness. It is a gift, through our belief, faith and trust in Him and God. So, yes God hears sinners. Everyone is a sinner. Even the preacher at church sins. The only work that God wants us to do to "earn" salvation, is work on our inner selves. To Love Him and our Neighbors. To work on our selfish, carnal ways. To seek the Spirit, and not the flesh. Not to abuse Grace. So, when we sin, to repent and be sincere, we are saddened that we hurt Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit. Have you ever hurt your mama's feelings and felt bad for doing it, cause your mama loves you? The Pharisee had spiritual vanity, they thought themselves above every one else, they were self-righteous. We have to remind ourselves, we are saved by Jesus' works and sacrifice and the Love and Grace that God gives us. Yes, he hears us, and he wants us in prayer, heart felt prayer, lay it on the line, speak honestly. It doesn't have to be fancy. Just be real with Him. He hears us, us rotten sinners of whom I am the worst said Peter, and I feel that way at times myself. And, I keep praying knowing he hears me and is molding me. Jesus taught the Lord's Prayer for sinners. The Disciples sinned. Peter denied Jesus as the cock crowed.

Hi Jan,

It's my opinion that if you doubt your sincerity at the time your were baptized then I would do it again. There is no penalty for being baptized again and rededicating yourself. However, if you were sincere then fell away and are coming back again I personally don't think baptism each time you sin or fall away is necessary. There's nothing wrong with doing it either, but are other ways to recommit and return to following Jesus more closely. I was baptized when I was young and in later years I doubted my sincerity so I was baptized again and was glad I did. God bless!

If baptized once, years ago, should you be baptized again. To enter into the Kingdom of Heaven

When the formerly blind man gave his testimony, he defended Jesus against the Pharisees who were denouncing Jesus as a sinner. In verse 31 he spoke the conventional wisdom "God heareth not sinners" to demonstrate that if Jesus was a fraud, he could not have performed a work that only God could do when he gave him the gift of sight.

As for us, truly sinners, we have a new and living way ( Hebrews 10) to approach God. This by the precious blood shed by the sinless Son of God Jesus Christ on the cross. See also 1 John chapter 1.

Jesus came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance ( Luke 5:32).

I believe that, yes! God does hear even the prayers of sinners. He knows when someone is seeking His help. He knows when we ask wisdom, direction, strength, when we cry, etc. I believe God hears and is aware of every idle or wrong word also. God knows our hearts, minds, intents, and situations. There is nowhere God does not see and understand. However, I also believe that He wants a special relationship with His created beings - one that brings us into a close and intimate fellowship with Him where He not only hears us, but actually communicates with us through His Spirit. This is only a result of us being "born again" or born into the Spirit through His Holy Son Jesus. Jesus died for you and for all of us in order to bring us in to that kind of relationship with the Father. By this we are adopted as sons as Jesus is God's Son. John 17: 13-24. I pray that the Heavenly Father attends to your prayers, dear one. As you place your life and trust in His all knowing loving and healing hands may He make you one of His own dear children by Christ Jesus.

does God hear sinners prayers?

See Philippians 3 vs 8-10

"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things ..

What if God did that with us? What if God judged us by our outward appearance? What if He judged us based on where we grew up? Or what we do for a living? Or the mistakes we made when we were young? He wouldn't do that, would He? "Judge not,that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you " ( Matthew 7:1,2-NKJV )

So be careful when you judge. That doesn't mean we shouldn't discern. That does mean we shouldn't pass the verdict. The amount of grace you give is the amount you get. Jesus had another view of the man born blind. Rather than see him as an opportunity for discussion, He saw him as an opportunity for God. Why was he blind? "That the works of God should be revealed in him" ( John 9:3)

John 9: 41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. Jesus performed many many miracles in front of the Pharisee Jews to verify his ministry, including raising the dead and healing the disabled. He gave sight to a man born blind who saw both physically and spiritually who Jesus was and acknowledged him. Even the blind man knew the miracles of Jesus came from above.

Pharisee Jews saw the miracles and instead of believing in the ministry of Jesus, they choose to discredit him claiming his miracles were from the devil. Physically they could see, spiritually they were blind.

John 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

Because the Pharisees had sight they were sinners already

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. All men are guilty of this?

See John 9:1-3. Christ Jesus answers this question here. See John 14:12. The "works" spoken here are demonstrations of healing done with Love and Truth through Spirit. He never used anything when he healed but God's power. If you are a believer, than you are Christ Jesus' disciple too, also written in the Scriptures. Romans chapter 8 is helpful. The Bible uses symbols so everyone can understand it from different languages at their own pace. The Christ viewed man with Love, he saw no imperfection in them. He saw man as in Gen. 1:26. God is Love, good. There is no fear. I hope this answers your question.

Regarding Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
also, Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Also, the man born blind John 9:3 "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.
Is God responsible for babies being born deaf, dumb, blind? or with other disabilities? I am also thinking about John the Baptist who had the Holy Spirit in the womb and already being chosen, etc. etc.

v.39 Christs voice in the garden? The voice Crying in the wilderness? the blind man hears his voice with the question "dost thou believe in God"? Mankind, from Adam and eve, are separated from God, and like the blind man live in darkness. Judgment is what we receive continually because of what happened in the garden. Christ is fulfilling His reason for coming to us. Can you hear his voice, are you listening to HIS words? Do you walk by faith and not by sight? Are you looking elsewhere and blinded.

we need not think that all those who are inclined to the religious persuasion, are capable of rejoicing over lives being changed by Jesus. Only those who have experienced genuine salvation, will be blessed and excited by the renewing of others. This man could not explain what had happened, his parents could only testify to what they personally knew, but the others would not believe their own eyes.