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  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Apologies, the Joshua reference should be, Joshua 21:43-45.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Abrahamic Covenant.

    Part 3.

    Centuries after Abraham died, the children of Israel took possession of the land under Joshua's leadership ( Joshua 21:43). At no point in history, though, has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains, therefore, a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. The fulfillment will be more than a matter of geography; it will also be a time of holiness and restoration (see Ezekiel 20:40-44 and 36:1-37:28).

    The Abrahamic Covenant also promised many descendants ( Genesis 12:2). God promised that the number of Abraham's children would rival that of "the dust of the earth" ( Genesis 15:16). Nations and kings would proceed from him ( Genesis 17:6). It is significant that the promise was given to an aged, childless couple. But Abraham "did not waver through unbelief" ( Romans 4:20), and his wife Sarah "considered him faithful who had made the promise" ( Hebrews 11:11). Abraham was justified by his faith ( Genesis 15:6), and he and his wife welcomed Isaac, the son of promise, into their home when they were 100 and 90 years old, respectively ( Genesis 21:5).

    God reiterates the Abrahamic Covenant to Isaac and to his son Jacob, whose name God changes to Israel. The great nation is eventually established in the land where Abraham had dwelled. King David, one of Abraham's many descendants, is given the Davidic Covenant ( 2 Samuel 7:12-16), promising a "son of David" who would one day rule over the Jewish nation-and all nations-from Jerusalem. Many other Old Testament prophecies point to the blessed, future fulfillment of that promise (e.g., Isaiah 11; Micah 4; Zechariah 8).

    See Part 4.
  • GIGI - In Reply on Luke 17 - 1 year ago
    Hello Adam.

    We can have assurance from the account of Noah and from the passing over of the Israelites so as they were not afflicted with the plagues of Egypt nor the death of the firstborn. We can rest in God knowing how He parted the Red Sea to have the Israelites pass through on dry land and how God delivered the enemies in Canaan into the hands of the Israelites when the nation entered the promised land to possess all it as God promised (see Joshua 21:43) God fulfilled all fo the promised He had made to the Israelites ( Joshua 23:15)

    God is faithful and able to preserve us or rescue us or make us stand in the day of trouble. But we also must remember that our Lord and Paul and Peter said that we will suffer also, be persecuted, arrested, tried legally, and martyred for His Name's sake. Jesus said we would be hated by men just as they hated himself. We should pray for God to prepare us for such hardships that He may allow us to experience. We certainly should pray that we will hold fast in the face of martyrdom.

    The fire that brings destruction spoken of in Peter's epistles is pretty disturbing to consider, but I think this firs is intended for the evil unbelievers, not for the believers. When Jesus returns once again with a shout, with the trumpet call, with the voice of an archangel, with a tempest like lightening, with exceeding brightness and manifest glory, we will look up, as He instructs us in Luke 21:28 for our redemption is come. we will be changed (if alive at this time) or resurrrected, if we have died. At that time, we will be glorified and can no longer be harmed by anything that comes upon the earth! Hallelujah!

    Adam, I will pray for you as you seek to find out the truth of Scriptures concerning the end times, as I pray that for myself, too.

    I plan to believe everything that is plainly and explicitly taught in Scripture concerning the return of Christ and what happens before that, and also not readily embrace ideas that are not.
  • Chris - In Reply on Joshua 21 - 1 year ago
    Hello William. My understanding is that Joseph & Mary were married prior to Jesus' Birth. If I'm reading Matthew 1:24,25 correctly: "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS"; it seems that after Joseph had settled in his heart that Mary was not unfaithful during their betrothal period, he then married her ("took unto him his wife"), did not demand his conjugal rights ("knew her not"), but abstained until the promised Messiah Babe would be born. Of course, after this Divine Birth, Joseph & Mary went on to have other children ( Matthew 13:55,56).
  • Jesse - In Reply on Joshua 21 - 1 year ago
    William,

    Here is Part 2:

    After the one year separation, they had what is called the CHUPPAH which is the actual wedding ceremony. CHUPPAH is the Hebrew word for wedding, and KIDDUSHIM was the betrothal period.

    Here's something else that is important to know. When the KIDDUSHIM takes place, they are married. The only way you can break the espousal, the engagement, is by divorce.



    So this is how this whole thing plays out. Mary was his wife, even though the official wedding ceremony, the CHUPPAH had not yet taken place. They had already entered into the KIDDUSHIM, the engagement and time of purity.



    Remember that is a one year period, but they are still married. Some of the more modern translations will say take Mary as your wife, and they will put "as" in italics to kind of give you something.



    But they completely go against the whole KIDDUSHIM/CHUPPAH arrangement because as soon as you get engaged, their version of engagement, it took a divorce to break it.

    But according to Jewish custom, once the KIDDUSHIM (1-year separation/time of purity) began, they were considered married, even though the marriage ceremony took place after the 1 year separation.

    That is why Joseph was about to divorce her when he found out she was pregnant during the KIDDUSHIM period. They were considered married even before the CHUPPAH took place.

    Hope this helps!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Joshua 21 - 1 year ago
    William,

    I am going to say yes, and here's why. In Matthew 1:18, we have the social circumstances surrounding Joseph and Mary.

    It says when Mary his mother was espoused to Joseph, and in the Greek text, it is in the passive voice which means that you are receiving the action from somebody else.

    This is very important and here's why.



    Joseph and Mary were espoused, not because they were engaged or betrothed, or espoused to each other. The passive voice from the Greek means that they were brought together in an arrangement. They were the recipients of the betrothal.



    Back in those days in Jewish tradition, contracts were made between two families for marriage. Girls were betrothed at the age of 12 and 13, and the boys were older. And they (Mary and Joseph) were betrothed together by the parents, not by their own choice.

    It also says that "before they came together," which is a Greek word that means before their marriage was consummated. And the main verb is "she was found to be with child," again passive voice.

    Here is how this worked back in traditional times, the time when all this was taking place:



    They had what was called the KIDDUSHIM, which was the betrothal period. It's not exactly the same as our engagements. This is called KIDDUSHIM which means separate, or to separate.

    And what happens is that when you became betrothed or espoused or engaged, you stayed separate for a whole year. This was called the time of purity to make sure that the woman wasn't pregnant.

    Well, it was during this time of KIDDUSHIM that she was found to be pregnant.

    During this whole year that they were separated, and even though they had not yet had a marriage ceremony, they were considered to be married.

    I will continue in another post to further explain this.
  • William Canfield on Joshua 21 - 1 year ago
    Was Mary and Joseph married at the actual time of Jesus's birth?
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    You're quite correct Jackie, God is not man that He should grow physically weary & in need of rest. The word that is used for 'rest in Exodus 20:11 has a number of uses. It certainly implies rest because of tiredness, but also speaks of 'coming into quietness & a cessation of work'.

    We can see this use also in Joshua 21:44, "And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand". The children of Israel finally settled in the Promised Land & their enemies were subdued before them. As men & women, they may have been physically tired from all they experienced after leaving Egypt, but the "rest" they received from the Lord was the final peace & quietness they yearned for. So God ceased from all His creative Work, as His people ceased from their wanderings & warrings (in these two Scriptures).
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Isaiah 55 - 3 years ago
    Because you quoted "what say you" I joyfully reply

    Yes

    1 Samuel 3:19

    Joshua 21:45

    Luke 4:21

    Luke 24:44

    Matthew 5:18
  • Samuel prophet to King Saul - In Reply on 1 Samuel 1 - 3 years ago
    Samuel was of the Tribe of Levi

    Preceded by Eli

    Judge of Israel

    Anointed Saul, King of Israel

    Rebuked Saul

    Anointed David, King of Israel

    Elkanah lived in the mountains of Ephraim ( 1 Chronicles 6:16-30, 33-37); the Tribe of Levi was assigned to dwell in certain cities that were scattered throughout the tribes of Israel (Book of Genesis 49:6-7; Book of Numbers 35:6)

    This is why Samuel could offer sacrifices. Levites did not have land of their own, but were scattered among the tribal allotments. Elkanah's tribal genealogy is made clear in I Chronicles 6:16-27. There the descendants of Levi down to Elkanah are listed. He was a descendant of Kohath, whose descendants were scattered throughout Judah, Simeon, Benjamin, Ephraim, Dan, and Manasseh ( Joshua 21:9-26). Verses 26-27 list the parallel to the I Samuel passage: "... Zophai his son, Nahath his son, Eliab his son, Jeroham his son, Elkanah his son" (ESV). To be sure, variant names are given in the two passages: Zophai and Zuph, Nahath and Tohu.
  • Eric Lopez on Joshua 21:45 - 3 years ago
    It's good to finally reach a happy ending for the children of Israel and God keeping his promise of the land.
  • April on Joshua 21 - 7 years ago
    I hope they thanked GOD every day,man can you imagen being ble to hear him,and be taught directly from our father,WOW,what an honor they surly did have,and to be a chosen servant and to have such a close relationship to him,Idk about you but it makes me smile,I know we don't get to see him like they did BUT we can have FAITH,which was required even when they did hear him or see him,I hopeALLISWELL
  • Lu2677 on Joshua 20 - 7 years ago
    Joshua 19 explains how the inheritance of land is divided. Joshua 20 is about the cities named for refuge. Joshua 21:44"and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them,the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand." I don't see anywhere that these chapters are talking specifically (which one) about friend or foe being killed unawares.
  • Peter A. Okebukola on Joshua 21 - 7 years ago
    Our Lord is a promise-fulfilling God. His word is Yeah and Amen. He will do what He says He will do.
  • Chris K. on Exodus 23:21 - 9 years ago
    A great cross-reference to Joshua 21:44, Josh.5:13, acts 7:45, Heb. 4:8, for Jesus in the kjv.
  • Richard on Joshua 21:45 - 9 years ago
    this confirm God atribute that he is infallible, so therefore believers confidence is deepened


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